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It's time for Windows weekly with
Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.
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I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for
Leo Laporte
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who is currently looking for the answers
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to life, the universe and everything
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acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott
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is the guru behind Thurrott.com the
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previewer of news, reviews and analyzes
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for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the
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mastermind behind ZDnet All About
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Microsoft blog. Together their here to
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bring a light to the deep cave of
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Microsoft news, like a over charged light
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bulb battery exploding in the darkness.
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Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya.
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(Mary-Jo) thanks for having (Paul) It's
like your introducing Bond villains there.
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(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow!
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The masterminds.
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(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley.
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(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat?
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and can you do this with your fingers?
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- I think I need that on a business card.
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If I still used business cards I would.
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That is one of those strange things.
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At these conventions that we go to
these shows
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we all do the business card thing and
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I've even got down the whole Asian thing
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of handing like this and a bit of a bow.
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But, um, those collect dust afterwards,
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I almost never use them.
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- No, No! I don't even have one.
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- I was going to say I think I have some,
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but I've never brought them anywhere.
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-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you?
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It's kind of a thing, it's how you say
hello, right?
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-Well now people just say, "where can
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I find you?" and I just day "All About
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Microsoft"
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- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones
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together and say "Power twins activate."
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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- No, I don't know every once in a while
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someone will hand me a business cards
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and I have a momentary bit of confusion,
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like I don't have one of these things,
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or I don't have it with me.
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You know I feel, it's like a weird moment.
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I feel like I need to give them something
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in return, it's like someone comes over
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with a gift and you don't have anything
to give them.
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-Yeah, that's what it is.
I know I'm handing
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out cards like they are candy, but it's
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just because I want to give you something.
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It's like thank you very much for
your time,
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uh, here's something, and stop talking
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to me now.
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(laughing) yes, right!
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(Paul) I've met the social obligation
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(Father Ballencer) And if you actually
want to see
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where this is gonna be put up you
can contact
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ma at this other wise
I'm just gonna assume
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that you just don't care
(Mary-Jo) Yep (laughter)
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(Paul) I needed a resume for something,
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you know, like a year ago or more, I. . .
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Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...?
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(laughing) I don't keep track of my
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accomplishments, I'm not even sure what
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I would do with that.
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(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer,
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Colene Goldstein, she's actually
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really good LinkedIn. Before she
hands over
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her card, she'll just say can I find
you on
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LinkedIn and she's just
building up this huge
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network of all these people
that she's connected
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to and she says that's far more efficient
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than trying to take a card and then
remember
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where it came from and who they
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represented six weeks ago.
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Because remember a lot
of the people you
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meet don't actually work
for that company
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they work for a PR company
that represents
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the company that you are
talking to. (Paul) Right.
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and you won't remember
who that is unless
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you actually write it on the back of
that card
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and even then sometimes you don't remember
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- I have to look at the lower third to
remember
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Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm
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really not good at that kind of thing.
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(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing.
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(Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here
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If I don't see that?
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(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does
that say?
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(laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not
do that.
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I'll right let's get away from social
convention
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cuz we've got some pretty spectacular
windows news
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who's got this first one, because
eventually
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Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right
we're not
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offering the free version anymore,
maybe we
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should kill that nag screen"
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Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit.
Um,
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Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a
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KB article that said "Hey we're finally
going to
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push through Windows update, an update
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that takes away the Windows, get
Windows 10 app.
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So if you remember July 29th was the
actual day
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the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended.
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And at that time they said it might
take us
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a little while to faze this out
because we've
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so thoroughly inundated everyone
with this app
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and the promotion. So actually the real
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day when this ended at least when
the app ended
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was yesterday. And it's starting to roll
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through the Windows update. It replaces
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the get Windows 10 app and it goes away.
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But the weird complication
not complication
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but the weird kind of coincidence is
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you can actually still get Windows 10
as free upgrade
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You just have to use your existing
Windows 7
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or 8.1 product key and you can still
unlock the free
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upgrade, which is something Microsoft
is not
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actively advertising, but Paul has been
verifying it daily.
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(Paul) well weekly
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(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him
is it still up
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(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told
that if you do
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the get Windows 10 thing and then
you roll it
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back you're always set you can always
re-download it
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(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for
new installs.
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In other words you have never
done this before
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you have a key you can do a clean
Windows 10
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right now and it would still work.
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(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how
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it's suppose to work.
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(Mary-jo) Yep
(Paul) I know, and by the way
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one day it won't, I mean maybe
this weekend
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or the weekend after that, someday,
I'm gonna
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wake up, I'm gonna test it and
it's not gonna work
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you know it's just.. It's going to
happen eventually.
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But, um, I wrote an article about this
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not working probably a month ago
in anticipation
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of it not working and it's just
kept working
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the things been sitting here at
my desktop since
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August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and
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do an update everyday just to make
sure it still goes?
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(Paul) not everyday and least once a week.
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- Now does this
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(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you
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still do it? And he's like, Yep you can!
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-So does this now increase the
value of the
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Windows 10 upgrade, because now
you can't get
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it except maybe if you know this
super secret,
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now do people actually want it?
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(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose..
I think the issue
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is.. Well if you wanted to save some money
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I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1
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product key and you know, well you
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wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1
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I should say, it's possibly you can
buy a copy of it
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somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it
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anymore and than you could upgrade
now for less money
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than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just
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had keys for some reason, maybe a
company that has
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keys allotted or you bought the
package version
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at some point, maybe you bought
the Windows 7
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family pack back in the day and you
only used
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two of the three keys and you've got
an extra
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one sitting around for what ever reason.
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If you have a key, it will work.
MSDN keys work
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got them from TechNet that will work.
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um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see.
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-Microsoft won't say when they think
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it will no longer work in fact they aren't
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really publicly saying that it still works
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if you ask them, they just don't answer
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when you ask about this.
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And I assume it's the same thing
that they said
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about the get Window 10 app
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that it might take some time for them
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to shut it off. But the other
theory is they
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are just leaving it open for those laggers
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who didn't get around to updating by
July 29th
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and they can say to them "You know what,
psst
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by the way."
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- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think
that's the
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point that if they are people out there
in the world
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with Windows 7 install that they've
never done
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Microsoft would much rather see them be on
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Windows 10, if they're going to do a
new Windows
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install. Why wouldn't they want that.
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- I can also see this heading off a lot of
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complaints from people who said "oh man
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I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot
and I
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did it in August and it didn't
work anymore"
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No that's not actually a valid excuse.
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-Well that argument would work on Aug 20.
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You know September 21st, October 21st,
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It's starting to get to the point where
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you can't pretend you've been
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procrastinating and than just forgot
I mean,
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You know at some point it's just. . .
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Their just leaving it open, its fine.
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I have no problem with this.
-
- This is actually a huge opportunity
for us
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because I know Alex has been trying to
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update the Tri caster to Windows 10
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(Person in background) Actually Padre,
Let me correct you
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you shouldn't run Windows update on the
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Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say
you should
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So I really hope that nothing. . .
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Oh Crap! (Laughing)
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- This is what happens, You get a
nag screen
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in the middle of Windows weekly
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that's oddly blocking me out entirely,
-
that's different (Mary-Jo) It is
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You know we're going to have to live
with this
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for the next 20 -30 minutes because
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unfortunately, click the initiated
and it'll
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take that much time to install and
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uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see
us though
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we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom
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on us, but the big picture you can see us.
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(Paul) How do I know that this
graphic hasn't
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been used more gleefully on
Macbreak weekly
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and whatever morning show I'm sure you do?
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(Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google,
-
I think this is actually the
new title card
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for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will
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never reserve your copy.
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- Let me just try... - Ops there you see
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Do either of you still have Windows 7,
8 & 10
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Machines in your environment?
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(Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7,
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(Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all?
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(Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8
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(Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1
and 10
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(Mary-Jo) You have all of them.
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(Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10
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does still kill some of my USB devices
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so my production machines have to stay 8
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and I have one laptop and that just works
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better at 7.
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(Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still
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use because it's just an older machine,
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the Dell that I've had for awhile
I just left
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it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to
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replace the machine Ill just get
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Windows 10 machine.
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(Paul) But what about all those
gotta have it
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apps you can't run?
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-Um?!
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(Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question,
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this really did hurt Microsoft's
reputation,
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right? I mean Yes, That number of how
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many deployments they have of Windows 10
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is forever going to be asterisk.
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People said "Well how many of those were
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accidental upgrades or how many of those
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were installs and then rollbacks almost
-
immediately. This. . Will people
forget this
-
or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen
-
be the butt of jokes for the next two
-
decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've
-
irreparably harmed their reputation with
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this and not just Microsoft generally but
-
the reputation of Windows as well.
-
The forced upgrade thing was a
huge mistake
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on their part and a very risky gamble and
-
the recent people aren't going to forget
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it is because they came out and said we're
-
going to hit a billion within two to three
-
years and then right before Windows the
-
windows ten free upgrade ended they said
-
you know what we're not going to make that
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goal and so even though they did that they
-
were unable to you know meet
this reasonable
-
goal, I thought, of reaching a billion
-
users in that timeframe.
-
- You know Mary Jo there's two ways to
-
look at this. There's one way and
this would,
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I think this is where Paul lines up, there
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was an executive or some marketing person
-
who said you know what we want to hit a
-
billion because it sounds like a
great number.
-
So let's just force this on people. The
-
other way to think of this is that some
-
engineers said you know what people
-
will like ten if they just try it if
we just
-
get it on the machine they will understand
-
what all the hoopla is about.
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Which of those do you fall with?
-
- So I also, like Paul, think this was a
-
big mistake and the part that really
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kind of riled me the most was when
-
Microsoft was taking the tack of saying
-
it's for users own good that were doing
-
this and you know I was like wait this is
-
so paternalistic How can you say what's
-
for my good or my mother's good who
-
accidently got Windows ten and
like flipped
-
out when she got it you know I just think
-
that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They
-
made a free upgrade available very easily
-
to people but I don't think they should
-
have rammed it down people's throat.
-
But it's also, I don’t know
if it qualifies
-
as ironic but, You know one of the kind of
-
contracts you enter into with Microsoft
-
when you do install or get Windows 10 is
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you're accepting a constant stream of
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upgrades and you really can't do anything
-
as an individual to prevent that from
-
happening. Least not elegantly or easily
-
and your introduction to this new world is
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Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly
-
jamming Windows 10 down your throat
-
you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview
-
of what the future holds for you when you
-
do this and it's just the wrong first step
-
you know to resent, it was a
terrible mistake
-
- Yeah and then the hiding of the way
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that you would actually accept the upgrade
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where people were closing the window.
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That was really bad. That made like a bad
-
situation worse. So yeah not a good look.
-
- In writing about this topic today
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I decided not to go back and hit on every
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single little milestone in this because
-
frankly it's kind of depressing.
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You know, when you go back to look at the
-
sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm
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sure have written about this get
Windows 10
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thing since last year and the various ways
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they changed it silently some Windows
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Update, or group of Windows Updates would
-
go out, some of them would prevent the
-
blockers from, you know or the un-blockers
-
I guess from you know working.
-
some of them would change the way the
-
dialog looked or worked. You know in the
-
past when you close the window, it would
-
just go away but at one point when you
-
close the window you silently
have accepted
-
the upgrade and that's purposefully evil.
-
It's terrible.
-
-For me I think that hurt more
than anything
-
else because I understand wanting to
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force out the update. Especially since
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they believe it's going to be much more
-
secure, it's going to be much more feature
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rich. But the fact that they kept playing
-
cat and mouse with people who just didn't
-
want to be nagged anymore. That's the
-
reputation strike it's like ok
if I went to
-
the trouble of removing that nag screen
-
then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can
-
do that. So the fact that you're trying to
-
work around what I did. Now I feel as if
-
we're playing Microsoft nanny state.
-
-Right -Yeah, yeah
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A lot of times you know they keep saying
-
you know what, we're letting people get
-
around it, if they go in and edit the
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registry settings. I'm like, wait a second
-
hold on, that's not something most people
-
should do. In fact, probably very few
-
should do it. And so when that was
-
like “Hey were giving you an alternative
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to get out of it. I was like uh, that's
-
not a good option.
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-That's not an alternative.
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–No
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- I mean the funny thing they get looking
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back over a year of articles
for this topic.
-
What I reminded myself of was in late June
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one month before the free offer ended.
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They finally added something to that
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box that said I don't want this please
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stop asking me. It took them eleven of
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the twelve months to get to that point.
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That's how it should have been on day one.
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You know it's just uh, you just can't
-
recover from this. We don't know, we may
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never know the psychological impact that
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had on what may or may not have been
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very good to Microsoft customers that day,
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who upon looking for a new computer at
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some time in the future may decide they
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need, they are going to get a pro book
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instead or a mac book or well probably not
-
a Linux computer that's crazy.
But you know
-
what I'm saying. That they're
going to look
-
at an iPad even or something, whatever.
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And just make that decision because they
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don't want to be harassed which is a
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completely reasonable request. You know.
-
-Let's close the book on this bad chapter.
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–Yeah, yeah I think so.
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It's not a mulligan but it's since you say
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OK you know what, you kind of hit some
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of the numbers you wanted not the big one
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but now actually show us that our faith in
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you is not misplaced. But to be fair, we
-
could look at other companies in the
-
industry, like Google that are doing the
-
same sort of strong arm tactics.
-
Google right now is making a big push for
-
HTTPS, they want everything to be encypted
-
end to end on the internet, that's a good
-
goal, but some people feel that their
-
approach is heavy handed. Now, the new
-
updates to Chrome are going
to automatically
-
mark any site that doesn't have
HTTPS built
-
into it as insecure so that little icon is
-
going to pop up, warning people that maybe
-
they shouldn't visit the site.
People think
-
that's heavy handed, but those looking at
-
it say, "well this is ultimately going to
-
lead to a better internet." you could make
-
the same call here. You could say "Look,
-
this was heavy handed, this was
-
Microsoft being the worst of the nannies,
-
but a more secure OS ultimately is a
-
better experience."
-
-All of the goals that Microsoft had for
-
this were valid right. Even the
self-serving
-
ones you know, the notion that we would
-
all be better off if more of us run the
-
very latest version of the O. S. and we're
-
always updated to be on that version would
-
make us all more secure because it's less
-
work for Microsoft to do to fix
the problems
-
you know, are going to occur down the road
-
Everyone benefits from that there's no. .
-
you can't really dispute it. But the
-
problem is when they say
oh good, everyone
-
agrees? Good!
Now you're all getting the
-
new upgrade is like
whoa whoa hold on a
-
second, you know, you mention for example
-
that you have U.S.B. devices
that don't
-
work on Windows 10. I'm sure anyone.
-
listening to this has some examples of
-
some things whatever might be, uh…
-
that don't work you know or some reason
-
whatever it may be that they couldn't
-
upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't
-
believe you can I mean they
tried you can't
-
really just jam this kind of thing down
-
people's throats.
-
-And for our few fruit flans in
the chat room
-
right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying
-
to force Windows 10 on people was a
-
boondoggle. Whereas another company's
-
decision to remove a standard
port was brave?
-
(Mary-Jo laughs) Courage
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(Paul) Good marketing.
-
(Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just
-
Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just
-
misunderstanding it.
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-Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK
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(Paul) It was courageous of them
to attempt.
-
(Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although
-
I will say something I really don't like
-
is the fact that they've disabled
something
-
from 8 because if you do Windows stacked
-
side by side it's pretty seamless but if
-
you do one on top of the other there's
-
always a hard break as you move between
-
screens. In 8 you used to be able to
-
disable that sticky window, you just move
-
right through it. You can do the same
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registry edit in 10 but it doesn't fix it.
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That never goes away and that's why I
-
don't understand that, Go figure.
All right.
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When we come back. We need to talk about
-
something a bit more cheery because we've
-
we've been hammering on Microsoft
so rather
-
than talking about a forced
Windows 10 update
-
I think maybe we should talk about some
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Layoffs -Yeah. (laughter)
-Oh boy!
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OK this is one of these stories that it
-
almost feels as if a
continuation of stories
-
that we've already covered but who
-
wants to talk about the bad news for
-
pink slips over at Microsoft.
-
(Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the
Skype thing first.
-
(Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know
-
what that's hold off on the super awesome
-
(Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can
-
we could kind of mix it up a little.
-
-The people getting pink slips got
them over Skype. (laughter)
-
(Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting
-
(Paul) Which explains why some of them
-
have been home. Some of them got it
seventeen times. (laughing)
-
(Mary-Jo) Burn, burn
(Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype.
-
-Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S.
relate because you, I think you've
-
actually looked at it, right?
-
-No, well not exactly, so, Err,
how do I explain this,
-
but earlier this year Microsoft announced
a feature that was going to come
-
in the Windows 10 anniversary
update called messaging everywhere
-
and the idea is that you have a Windows
Phone or an Android phone
-
and you can use your computer to send
text messages and receive text messages
-
right like you can do in a Mac if you
have an iPhone as well.
-
And everyone was really excited about it,
some insiders started testing it
-
and then very late in the game they said
you know what.
-
Actually we're not going to put
this in Windows 10.
-
This makes more sense for Skype
we'll put it in the Skype preview app
-
but sometime later in the year they
yanked it out of Windows 10
-
some people were disappointed you
know because they were using it
-
but you know I think we can agree that
a messaging feature makes more sense for
-
Microsoft's messaging solution than it
does for Windows specifically so
-
it's going to be part of Skype. So
in the most recent Windows insider build
-
which was released last week I think
Microsoft's added this feature in for
-
the first time and now they're calling it
S.M.S. relay actually been calling
-
about for some time but it's a slightly
more technical and less interesting name
-
and the functionality is supposed to work
the same way in this initial version
-
however you need to have the latest fast
ring version of Windows 10 from
-
windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or
something like that. And you also need
-
to have that same build on Windows 10
mobile it only works on those two systems
-
so I have both of these things
but I couldn't get it.
-
I'm not seeing it on my phone
I don't know why.
-
but the idea again is that you can from
the Skype preview app on Windows 10
-
for P.C.'s send and receive text messages
and so if your phone is over the corner
-
charging somebody sends you a text message
you get a notification on your P.C.
-
click on it you can reply to it right
there. It sends out over your phone
-
as you would expect so it's coming.
-
And it will come as part of Skype, right?
So we won't have
-
to wait for the next major version
of Windows 10 to get it.
-
Which by the way is another one of
the advantages of putting it on Skype.
-
-You know what's weird though I think I
messaged you about this that I have an
-
Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C.
and I am seeing my text messages
-
from my phone show up on my Windows 10
P.C. and I'm not on
-
the insider program right!
–Which is really interesting.
-
-Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana
though because I have Cortana on both
-
and I believe that also gives you some of
that functionality but that then
-
I'm like OK So is this in the future
going to be taken out of Cortana?
-
-Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of
confusing because this is hum,
-
I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm
still updating for the anniversary update
-
and one of the things I put off literally
to the very end that I will wrote right
-
in the last of all the new content is
phone integration because it's actually a
-
little convoluted there are three ways
right now that you can get information
-
back and forth from your phone through
Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this
-
new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype
preview. One is the thing you're seeing
-
which is the Cortana integration but
there's also like a Windows phone
-
integration I will get Windows Phone
notifications in Action Center on
-
Windows 10 that are notifications that
came from Windows 10 in the phone and so
-
they could be about anything it will be
like Facebook updates.
-
You know different things from different
apps on the phone and those things will
-
actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C.
-
as well. So I'm still trying to kind of..
-
where and how all these things happen
and why you know it's interesting I have
-
three different phones, so I have and
Android phone like you do and I have the
-
Windows Phone and also an iPhone
So the iPhone doesn't really do anything
-
but the expectation is that you'll have a
pretty decent level of functionality
-
through Android if you have Windows 10
and then obviously if you have
-
Windows 10 mobile you would have
the best experience
-
because those two things would
be tightly integrated.
-
-You know that's something in a
feature I actually would really like
-
something in Windows that shows me how
the various services integrate because
-
it's always an crapshoot for me about what
notifications I get on what devices like
-
you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got
Windows devices I've got Android I think
-
Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never
really sure what is syncing and what's not
-
-It's like a roulette wheel and I just was
speaking Skype specifically, this morning
-
I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're
you know we're texting back and forth
-
he writes, I write you know five minutes
goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden
-
one of my three phones in this case it
was my iPhone the screen lights up and
-
I look over and it's a Skype notification
of something. Brad had written me on Skype
-
about two minutes earlier. And so for
some reason that one version of the app
-
on that one phone lit up. It was like all
my devices or weight are in the back and
-
one of those are like I got it. I got it,
-
and it just kind of like I'm having an
-
active conversation in Skype on Windows.
-
You know why?
-
Why would these other
things? You know how it is, if I go to my
-
Android phone and I turn them on right
now and I go into Skype. You know thus
-
waking it up which is a mistake. It's like
Jason from Friday the 13th or something
-
but if I do wake it up briefly it will
flash those one two three conversations
-
that are marked unread the conversations
I had earlier with Brad actually this one
-
from Twit and the conversations I had
with Mary Jo according to this version of
-
the app these conversations are unread.
-
-I know, that happens to me too. Yet when
I when I've had my Windows 10
-
laptop off for a while I turn on you know
they all the messages filtered through
-
but then some show up as unread
and some show up as read.
-
-Yep.
-
-So I'm not sure what makes
both of those things happen.
-
-Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10
notification I just turning off everything
-
because I was so tired of
receiving the same notifications 15 times
-
-Yep
-
-Actually there's something else that I
do love the syncing across accounts
-
that actually does work nicely except
for the fact that at home. I've got this
-
monster set up with two 4K. monitors
and a bunch of little monitors around the
-
periphery and it tries to import those
preferences into my laptop and it doesn't
-
matter how many times I tell it not to do
that it. There's always an update in the,
-
the switch gets turned back on & suddenly
all the text on my laptop is tiny.
-
Because it's adjusting with what it thinks
I want to the desktop, which that's again
-
I want some sort of central control panel
that shows all my devices and which
-
settings are moving between which devices.
It sounds like that's an absolute
-
necessity now with all the different
devices that we use. And with all the
-
syncing that Microsoft trying to build
into the products. That's a necessity.
-
-Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't
have a big presence slash
-
any presence in Mobile and so one of the
concerns that they have that maybe Apple
-
doesn't have and Google only has to a
lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the
-
cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on
Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S.
-
relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS
and Android as
-
well and it's a reasonable expectation
that it would but
-
you know of course on Android you have
a Microsoft has a
-
much easier way of getting into the
system and making
-
this more seamless whereas in IOS,
if you think about how
-
Cortana works you kind of have to go
in and run the app
-
for some things to happen. You know it's
never going to be as. .
-
even though it can you know, it can sort
of run in the background a little bit
-
you can never be sure that it will always
be there. This is more easily done on
-
Android and Windows Phone So if you…
Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head
-
has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay
on IOS Android?
-
-I don't remember them saying that.
-
–It seems like it would have to the right?
-
(Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed
like it would have to
-
-What would be the point of S.M.S relay
-
to Windows 10 mobile?
-
-Right.
-
- Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question
-
for you. Do we know how many versions of
-
messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has
-
because you've got Skype. You've got
-
Skype for business. You've got Skype for
-
broadcast and then you've got the link
-
stuff which was actually supposed to take
-
over for the Skype stuff but then that
-
seems to be flipped. Now that we've got
the Dela
-
do you see what's in the strategy going
-
forward or we just keep getting fractured
-
off into different types of Skype
and do they still have
-
that artificial delineation
between consumer and enterprise?
-
-They do. They still have the delineation
-
there is still Skype consumer and Skype
-
for business are not the same product
-
even though they're both called Skype and
you're right. Link is still kind of
-
hanging around for some on premises
-
stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name
-
will totally go away and link will be
-
completely superseded by Skype for
business that will happen.
-
-Because that was going the other way. I
mean Skype was going to go to go away and
-
they were going to keep Link and so now
they've reversed on that.
-
- Yes So I think they're being pretty
-
consistent on length being supplanted by
Skype for business.
-
-OK.
-
-I think next week which is Microsoft
-
ignite we might hear some new things
-
about Skype for business and kind of
-
where that's going because every time we
-
ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer
-
Skype consumer questions but they won't
-
talk at all about Skype for business. And
-
I think next week's show because it's a
-
very IT pro focus show
we probably will
-
hear some new things about Skype for
-
business and hopefully about how it's
-
going to be syncing soon with OneDrive
-
and OneDrive for business. That's
-
something people are really waiting
-
anxiously for and last we heard that was
-
going to happen in the final calendar
-
quarter of this year. So we're almost in
the final calendar quarter.
-
Seems like we should get some new
News on that next week.
-
- Wait Skype for business will sync with
OneDrive?
-
-With OneDrive for business, yes!
-
-How does that.. Wait what is it syncing?
-
- They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I
saying OneDrive business or
-
am I thinking Share Point.
I’m thinking about Share Point.
-
-OK, OK that makes sense
-
-Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point
-
when I'm saying OneDrive for business but
-
um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share
Point and OneDrive business being able to
-
actually have better sync across those
-
two products and they said that was going
-
to counter Q four and I think that's what
-
we might hear about next week. But yeah
-
you know every time we ask about Skype.
-
You know we've heard recently that Skype
-
is moving to this new kind of universal
-
next generation client and when I asked
-
Microsoft you know does that also mean
-
Skype for businesses is going to be on
-
that same universal client.
-
They said we're not really talking
about Skype for Business.
-
-You're like whoa.
-
-Don't get ahead of yourself here.
-
- And don't forget the upcoming Skype for
-
Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also
-
another universal client and universal,
universal.
-
-But we should talk about this thing that
-
surfaced this week called Skype for life.
Speaking of .
-
-Oh good I was just hoping we would have
another Skype.
-
- Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th.
(laughing)
-
-OK what is Skype For Life?
-
-OK So ARS Technica Dr Pizza over there
-
got a tip from one of his sources or
-
maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was
-
working on a product called Skype For
Life and he and a lot of us have first
-
kind of thought maybe this was a name for
-
the universal Skype client that would
-
work across all different platforms that
-
would be kind of like what Microsoft has
-
described as the universal Windows
-
platform equivalent but for the other
-
platforms like IOS and Android. But then
-
Paul dug around a little and thought it
-
through and he says no but that is not
what that it is.
-
-No! No
-
I mean I talked to Peter about it.
-
Skype, ironically.
-
And I don't doubt that he was told this
-
and I don't doubt that the person who
-
told him saw this and thought that they
-
understood what they were seeing but you
-
know I talked to the Skype guys back in
-
June or July about the strategy Mary Jo
-
just discussed where they're moving to a
-
new generation clients they have updated
-
their back end infrastructure they
-
temporarily have to maintain the old
-
P.D.P. infrastructure for certain
-
applications or services but that's going
-
to be going away. The combination of
-
these two back end services explains the
-
Skype reliability issues that we've all
-
seen over the past you know several
-
months I was told. And I thought you
-
know, Skype For Life and making yet again
-
new, some new client that would somehow
-
run across all those platforms didn't
-
make any sense to me and if you look at
-
that next to their previously stated
-
strategy it's clear to me that Skype For
-
Life is just a marketing term and what
-
they're describing internally I think is
-
the culmination of that previous existing
-
strategy that the new infrastructures
-
switched over to their new clients are
-
all available. They all interact and all
-
have the new features and it's not that
-
it's one client's I mean obviously
-
Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and
-
Android will have native apps there,
-
Linux will have what they have and there
-
will be the web version as well. And
-
these things will have some baseline of
-
functionality that works across all of
-
them on this new infrastructure that's
the point of it.
-
-You know what I'm going to still be a
-
doubter here. OK I don't think, I think
-
the more I think about this the more I
-
think you're right that it isn't a new
-
totally new Skype client. I think that
-
would just be crazy and kind of going
-
back to what they just got away from but
-
I think Skype For Life is something else
-
and the reason I'm thinking that it's a
-
marketing slogan but, maybe it's
-
something like you know they call Skype
-
translator a feature of Skype like that.
-
That's how they brand that and Skype for
-
teams which is what they're going to be
-
doing to compete with Slack. I also think
-
they'll call that a feature of Skype. I
-
don't think they'll call of a new version
-
of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life
-
might be something like using Skype to
-
improve your life in some way. So maybe
-
it's like I don't know I'm just I'm
-
totally reaching here but Skype like
-
maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health
-
platforms somehow connected or you know
-
Skype being used for some specific thing
-
that's more about health and welfare and
-
maybe a very specific almost like a
-
vertical I'm just guessing here again but
-
I think it's something else.
-
-I mean that seems very far reaching. It
-
might be simpler that you know it's funny
-
we were just kind of joking around and
-
slash complaining about how you know
-
Skype will ring on various devices and
-
whatever because we have various devices
-
because we're nerds and so Skype For Life
-
could be as simple as what I think of a
-
Skype everywhere this this feature you
-
know that a normal person with a computer
-
and a phone or a tablet and a phone would
-
want to get messages everywhere and
-
that's the For Life. In other words.
-
Whatever your life is whatever your
-
habits are whatever devices you choose to
use Skype will be there. You know.
-
-That could be
-
-I just you know regardless of what it is
-
I mean I think it's mostly a marketing
-
term. Right. Not so much a product. And
-
it's almost just a way to describe
functionality to normal people.
-
-I'd be down with the marketing term. I
spoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at
-
IFA in Berlin last month and or no this
-
month and of course didn't want to talk
-
about it but what he was describing was
-
that this is Skype UC this is the unified
-
communication promised the idea of we
-
don't want Skype to be an app. It
-
shouldn't be something you start up it
-
should be something that is just
-
everywhere. They're using Microsoft
-
products. You should be able to say
-
Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will
-
automatically kick out Skype and it
-
doesn't even call a Skype it just
-
connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean
-
that UC promises has been something
-
that's been around for ten years maybe
-
this is Microsoft finally saying let's do.
-
- Or saying we finally have enough pieces
-
in place for it makes sense right. I mean
-
even the things like integrating Skype
-
into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the
-
web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in
-
office 2016 which you know depending on
-
your view of things you might find
-
incredibly useful or incredibly annoying
-
because it certainly on the web, they
-
don't do a good job with that but
-
I think that these things are all part of
-
… how do you describe a bunch of little
-
things? It's a.. what's the theme? You
-
know universal communications is how we
-
would say it in the enterprise and maybe
-
Skype For Life is how they want to say it
to people.
-
-You know what Padre just gave me a crazy
idea another crazy idea.
-
-Oh good
-
-What if Skype For Life is a bot?
-
-Oh
-
-Now they’re intergrading more bots into
-
Skype right and there's been all this
-
talk about a concierge bot that Bing was
-
working on for a while to be kind of like
-
your personal assistant for life. You
-
know somebody who you could say hey what
-
movies are playing can you get me some
-
tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life?
-
-But then Skype for life would have to
fight Cortana to the death.
-
-I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they...
-
I think they're siblings I think they're
friends but yeah
-
-Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin
-
they kept in the closet until he was a
-
teenager so he’s a little stunted.
-
We've actually got people in the chat
-
room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who
-
suggested that Skype For Life is actually
-
the name of a new form of judicial
-
punishment and then you see the really
-
really bad, you only get to use Skype
(Laughing)
-
-It sounds like a big punishment.
-
-And a guy could be like oh I’ve been
Skyped.
-
-Should it just be Skype 10? I mean,
-
cause that was the whole idea of Windows
10. It is the last Windows you will ever
-
own is this Skype 10 is it like look it
will always be this way.
-
-And what you're supposed to do
-
everything to ensure it. That’s windows.
God bless
-
-The ultimate Skype.
-
-Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name
-
right. That should have just been Windows
-
I don't think we need to
go 10 I think if
-
anything we should be stripping the
-
numbers off of the products
that still have numbers.
-
-Maybe they really want it to be
Windows X.
-
-Apple's doing that right? Apple's
changing back
-
-They've kind of moved to the right
-
because they still have version numbers
-
obviously you have to have the stuff
-
behind the scenes but you know they talk
-
about the new version MacOS as Sierra.
-
You know and they've been doing that for
-
years. I guess but they really they
-
emphasize that you know it's a friendly
-
name and I think that's a nicer approach
-
than some godly book like H.P. product
-
names or version or just not version
-
numbers because numbers or even using the
-
version number the name is just it's just
-
it's I think that's just old fashioned
-
-Yeah
-
-Yeah it's kind of I mean because you
have to…
-
-I know especially if its the last right
-
last version of something, supposedly
-
-It should have just been Windows
ultimate,
-
Oh wait, we've already used
that. Never mind!
-
-Calling something the last version of
-
this product is like the worst way to
-
market something ever invented. You know
-
this is the last version
we're ever going
-
to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna
-
keep updating it, but
this is the last one.
-
–There’ll be some serious
updates to it but no, this is it.
-
-So it really is just not smart mart.
(Sigh) I'm going to be…
-
I'm going to change my name to Padre 10.
I will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know
-
-Actually if you can change it to 10.01.
-
-There'll be updates to Padre, but this
is really the final version.
-
(Paul) There will always be that
little hidden miss.
-
(Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary.
-
-Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition.
-
It's ten pounds lighter but has all the
features. (laughing)
-
All right, we're going to bog down a bit
-
too much and it is a fun story, but there
-
is one more story that has so much fun it
-
has to be dispelled. Paul. There were
-
people screaming all over the Internet
-
that Microsoft is being the big bad by
-
trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is
this true?
-
–No! And that's all we need to say about
-
that. If I could somehow make a career
-
out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I
mean I just… you get into these
-
conversations of people on Twitter who
-
see these stories and they.. I think it's
-
the way conspiracy theories work right.
-
It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs
-
and so you instantly throw common sense
-
to the wind and say oh course their doing
-
this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys
-
it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe
-
upgrade the way we think about Microsoft
-
and their relationship with Linux in
-
particular. The topic and if you don't
-
know what it is I guess we should
-
probably step back a second and say that
-
somebody had discovered that a Lenovo
-
P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so
-
it's a signature P.C. and thus is running
-
something called Windows 10 signature
-
edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has
-
the magic capability of preventing Linux
-
from ever being installed in that
-
computer. That's not a capability of an
-
operating system that’s something that
-
would have to be built into the firmware
-
I guess of the computer I mean I
-
obviously there's always going to be some
-
way to brute stall anything on there but
-
you know, read it happens. There’s one of
-
the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm
-
and collected article but anyway I
-
appreciated that. But here's the thing,
-
signature P.C. is as I describe it.
-
I think the smallest province of the
-
windows empire that exists in Microsoft.
-
They have no power at all the very notion
-
that they could require a P.C. maker to
-
do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the
-
world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft
-
is not the business of blocking Linux.
-
They never really were. But it's one of
-
those things like a lot of people kind of
-
like want to believe is the case. Some
-
guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a
-
support forum somewhere and said Yeah.
-
This might this is part of our agreement
-
with Microsoft. That's not true. By the
-
way because Lenovo came out with a
-
statement and said no that's not what's
-
happening. It's one of those things like
-
you don't actually have to know the
-
answer to know the answer. It's a little
-
bit like the Skype For Life thing like if
-
you think it through.
It's like this is
-
not what's happening
and so I ... I'm not
-
the one that got
the statement so
-
I think it's Tech Republic.
They've got the
-
statement but I did a write
up about it and uh debating it…
-
-This is just secure boot on the UEFI
right?. I mean that's all it is.
-
-It's not exactly but it's that exact
-
kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one
-
of, it's probably just one Lenovo
-
computer actually but there is a Lenovo
-
computer that has a very strange raid
-
S.S.D. configuration and as people are
-
discovering if they try to clean install
-
Windows 10 on that computer it won't work
-
either. It's. It's a very unique
-
configuration. It's not part of a secret
-
cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users
-
out of their new computer but you know I
-
think I said this to Mary Jo privately or
-
maybe Brad we were I was chatting with
-
somebody earlier today and so consider
-
the market out there for people who are
-
going to buy a Windows based computer and
-
install Linux on it right and there is
-
some number it's a small number but the
-
some group of people do that. And now
-
let's consider the subset of those people
-
who are going to drive to a Microsoft
-
store pick it lovingly pick out their…
-
you know favorite signature P.C.
-
configuration from the store, buy it from
-
Microsoft. You know their favorite
-
company. And then put Linux on it. I mean
-
like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm
-
not saying it's not going to happen but
-
c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's.
-
Path to world domination we're going to
-
do it through the signature pieces that
-
nobody even knows exists at the stores
-
and you can't even find there where you
-
live. It's just the whole thing is loaded
-
it's just typical. Watching this cascade
-
across the Internet today. It's just as
-
depressing. That's just so typical.
You know
-
- It destroys your faith in humanity
-
-Or reconfirms my belief that we're all
idiots. I mean it's just it's sad.
-
-And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I
-
can't remember what they call it it's
-
like software services but then on boot
-
up you actually get the option of what
-
packages you want to install. So you
could make it a signature…
-
-You mean..?
-
-All the crapware.
-
-That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the
-
only P.C. makers starting to do that kind
-
of a thing and I really like this
-
approach it's because it's something P.C.
-
makers are not familiar with called
customer centricity.
-
You know H.P.’s newer machines will do
-
the same thing and in the past you get a
-
bunch of utilities and things running in
-
the tray and whatever was. Now you have
-
to seek out those applications and at the
-
time that you run it. It says hey we have
-
this tray thing we can put it and you
-
want to use it and if you say no that's
-
in the end of it you know and that's the
-
way things should be you know don't you
think. Yeah so.
-
-Well it sure beats me having to spend the
-
first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life
-
uninstalling everything that came
pre-installed.
-
-Yes right. Actually we will never be
-
deemed intelligent beings by future
-
civilizations because of things like this.
-
It's like when you buy an electronic
-
device and spend the first thirty minutes
-
updating the software or when you buy a
-
smartphone and you
install apps and you
-
spend the next seven days removing or
-
changing notifications or like what you
-
just said you buy a new P.C. and the
-
first thing you do is take things away
-
from it. It's like this is so counter
-
intuitive and counterproductive and
-
yet we just sort of sort of accept that
-
this is the way it is you know.
-
-That's what makes me so sad that
-
signature seems to be kind of not an
-
emphasis anymore because I
-
remember when I got my Acer S7 it
-
came to me as a signature device and I
-
didn't even know it was going to and it
-
was such a different experience.
-
-Oh yes by the way. So let's see four
-
years ago this month. Microsoft opened
-
their store in Boston and I bought the
-
very first computer that was sold at that
-
store which is a fifteen inch
Samsung Ultra Book.
-
It was one of the last Windows 7 computers
-
they sold right because Windows 8
came out.
-
Thirty or forty five days later
and to this day
-
when I restore that thing and it goes back
-
to that clean Windows 7 signature edition
-
thing with beautiful wallpaper and you
-
know no crap anywhere it's still like this
-
calming almost transcendental moment like
-
you open the thing up
And you’re like nice!
-
You know and that's not the reaction
-
typically happen with P.C. right?
It's too bad
-
-I mean seriously there is something about
-
having to do a hard restore where you to
-
go back to the factory disks and you know
-
yeah when any time you do that there's
-
going to be hours and hours if not days of
-
updates it's going to
have to go through
-
round & round
& round but that's not
-
the infuriating part for me because that I
-
can just leave off in the corner.
-
The infuriating part is I know I'm already
-
going to have an anti-virus it's going to
-
take five restarts to fully get rid of
-
because it just sticks in there and you
-
have to do a little bit
of registry editing
-
to get rid of the stuff that doesn't
uninstall at all.
-
-I know we've talked about this on the pod
-
cast whatever. You know some months ago
-
but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary
-
update there's a new tool
it's not actually
-
included in the O. S. but it's linked to
-
from the O. S. And so I think people are
-
probably familiar with the reset your P.C.
-
functionality of that they viewed
in Windows 8
-
also available in Windows 10. Thing is if
-
you use that on a P.C. that came from a
-
P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s.
-
The P.C. maker can edit that image that's
-
installed so the crap all comes back right
-
when you reset the P.C. you get the crap.
-
But there's a separate tool called refresh
-
Windows it's linked to from the same place
-
in the settings up in Windows 10 with the
-
anniversary update. You download the tool
-
it downloads Windows 10
it's a clean version
-
of Windows 10 and then you can install
-
that and then so instead of getting the
-
crapware laden version you might get from
-
say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo
-
whatever you get Microsoft's clean image
-
right. And so the pro there is you don't
-
get the stuff you're talking about
like the Anti-Virus
-
whatever stupid utilities
people put on there.
-
The minus side is you may not get the
-
driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably
-
Dell have decent utilities for keeping
-
that particular machine up to date with
-
drivers for example you
don't get that thing.
-
And so you might have to do a little bit
-
of extra work if you want some of that
-
stuff or if you need it you know if you
-
look in device manager and some of your
-
stuff hasn't been recognized you know you
-
might find yourself going to the HP
-
or Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and
-
downloading the drivers but at least you
-
have that option now.
And so I think that's
-
lot closer to a signature P.C.
type experience
-
except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR
-
exact computer which was the
-
point of signature.
-
-If anyone wants an almost
Signature Series
-
just buy the retail version of the
-
operating system and that's what you get
-
and yeah it sounds stupid but it really
-
there is something that is so nice about
-
starting the P.C. and realizing the only
-
thing on here is the bare O. S. everything
-
that gets added on is my choice.
-
-And that's by the way another thing I
-
think we all do with these devices doesn't
-
matter what you're talking about a phone,
-
tablet, computer. That first day you
-
install the things you know you need right
-
Just the absolute necessity.
-
-Yeah for example I need to
install chrome.
-
-Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only
-
reason it exist. Over time as you use the
-
device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet
-
whatever you realize oh wait I need this
-
thing too and it spirals right so over
-
time you fill the thing up and you. You
-
know there's a bunch of junk on there but
-
those first couple days are wonderful.
-
It's like the. You know the out of box
-
thing is kind of like it should be. I mean
-
it's not always with the P.C. If you get
-
the wrong kind but you know
that's what it is.
-
And we kind of try to recapture that magic
-
every once in a while.
Let's reset it back a little.
-
-But we do have to talk about the layoffs
-
at some point because it is a big story
-
and it's not it's not it's not
totally unexpected right?
-
–Right! -We saw this.
-
-Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of
-
people forgot but in July Microsoft
-
announced during S.E.C. filing
that they're
-
going to be laying off. Almost 3,000
-
more people this fiscal year which is
-
their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there
-
was a report by the Financial Times that
-
Microsoft was closing Skype London and I
-
saw some people report this says and
-
laying off 400 people but actually the
-
number that Microsoft is laying off is
-
closer to 230, I think?! I called them and
-
asked them how many people is it and they
-
said it's about 230 and that's a
combination
-
of people who work for both
Skype and Yammer in London.
-
Some people be moved to the Paddington
-
office some are just going to be let go.
-
They also last week. Paul and I kinda were
-
catching bits and pieces of this through
-
Facebook because we saw different people
-
we knew posting to Facebook that they had
-
been cut but they cut another 300 people
-
on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound
-
Redmond area and a few people from other
-
geographies around the world. These 500+
-
layoffs that happened last week are part
-
of that 2850 that they announced in July.
-
This isn't a new group of people who
-
didn't you know who Microsoft said and
-
we’re adding another 500. These are people
-
all different divisions not
all concentrated
-
in one division. Except for the Skype and
-
yammer part that are being let go across
-
the company. Microsoft's definitely
-
continuing to tighten, you know belt
-
tight, doing belt tightening across the
-
company getting rid of people before the
-
layoffs were largely Windows phone related
-
and Windows Mobile these new ones are not
-
because they pretty much laid off all of
-
those people originally it was a bunch of
-
the Microsoft sales people because they
-
had a sales reorg this year when Kevin
-
Turner left. Now we're getting into the
-
product areas some people in Windows,
-
some in Office , people across
different parts of
-
the company. So if you hear
about layoffs that
-
happened recently that is what happened.
-
-Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are
-
heads down right now. Not necessarily
-
because they're fearing this round but
-
because they realize you know what
-
Microsoft is actually, they're not doing
-
the cutthroat competition anymore but they
-
are looking to the various departments and
-
finding out “Do you have any personnel
-
that have not really contributed anything
-
in the last five years?”
-
-I think the H.R. term for these
people is dead wood?!
-
-Yeah and it's always difficult to talk
-
about someone like that but if you've been
-
at a company for twenty years. And you
-
haven't really been challenged or maybe
-
you've become really really cynical it
-
might be time to move on. I've seen that.
-
-In over the past year or two as we talk
-
about layoffs obviously there's the human
-
side to it. It's always very tragic people
-
to lose their jobs but looking at the
-
company from sort of a Microsoft watching
-
perspective I think Mary Jo would agree
-
this is a very big and in some ways still
-
bloated company with lots of levels of
-
hierarchy and management so forth and…
-
You know the people I know personally for
-
Microsoft are to one very smart people
-
they do want to change the world but I
-
think the system they're in might be a
-
little too big and complex. You know for
-
things to happen so it's possible that the
-
Dell is making these changes like many of
-
the changes is made to speed response time
-
make sure they're focusing on the right
-
things and all that kind of stuff so.
-
-SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all
-
their downsizing their way to success and
-
I know it's very easy to see it that way
-
but there's another view and if you take a
-
step back. You can actually see it. I know
-
Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is
-
because you cover Microsoft so deeply but
-
especially during the Bomber years. There
-
were little fiefdoms that developed in
-
Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about
-
how many employees were under your
-
thumb and so you had these…
(Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it?
-
You had these little princes who are
-
accumulating kingdoms not really caring
-
about the productivity they were getting
-
out of people they were just cared about
-
how many people they were in charge
of and ..
-
-There's actually another side to this
-
with power comes the ability to influence
-
direction and I always think back to this
-
one example. I'm not saying that this
-
product would have been successful but at
-
the time when Steven Sinofsky was running
-
the Office group there was a project that
-
came up from I don't
remember what group
-
it was but it was in Office
but it was basically
-
an attempt to put Office
in the Cloud at
-
the time they didn’t it
called the cloud
-
but it's called Net docs and he killed it
-
because it competed with Office right and
-
the theory here is that Microsoft might
-
have come out with something that was
-
Google Docs and all that stuff
years earlier.
-
If they just hadn't been so or
if the people
-
in power hadn't been so concerned about
-
protecting their products. You know that
-
you couldn't compete with something like
-
Windows or Office if you did that you were
-
out you had to support that right. Now,
-
it's possible and probable that Net Docs
-
was a joke that it was based on Active-X.
-
that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know
-
but you know but that's the type of thing
-
that happens in that kind of organization.
-
-Plus you know we've talked about this a
-
lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these
-
days is very different from the
old Microsoft you know
-
Windows was the main cash cow of
-
Microsoft for years now everything has to
-
be about the Cloud for them and the
-
shareholders want that, The Wall Street
-
analysts want that.
So if you're working
-
in a group that's Windows related. You
-
know they're definitely kind of putting
-
the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're
-
doing something that's more Cloud focus
-
Enterprise focused. Something that's about
-
collaboration teamwork that kind of gives
-
you an edge and I think it's
also just about
-
job kind of… not restructuring but more
-
just like changing of the emphasis set at
-
about what matters. And what's going to
-
make the money for Microsoft right.
-
So some of that's a play too.
-
-You know I think we talked about this on
-
Windows weekly. The notion you know the
-
new newer surface devices
say Microsoft on
-
the right. And this one Microsoft notion
-
that we're moving forward as one company
-
not as the you know the guns pointed at
-
each other all the little fiefdoms that we
-
were just talking about you know
it's a new way for
-
Microsoft. You know a new
way of doing things
-
-Right and that's why I actually still I'm
-
very bullish on Microsoft I love what
-
Nadella has done that idea of taking down
-
the ramparts and making the little princes
-
actually work with one another. Yeah it
-
doesn't work any other way. Although…
-
(Paul) Change is hard though because you
-
know externally. I agree with you right.
-
I think this stuff is necessary.
It's exciting for Microsoft as
-
a company that in many ways to become so
-
calcified you know for to see
them reacting
-
to things quickly and moving quickly as it
-
it's very exciting in hitting that the
right
-
products and things but I know from
-
personal experience with different people
-
that this change is very hard for some of
-
the people there's. And not just the ones
-
who've been let go now. But just people
-
who see projects just disappearing.
-
-But then there's some other people who
-
the opposites true like they've been
-
chomping at the bit for ever to like work
-
with teams across teams and they're like
-
oh finally they're letting us talk to each
-
other before and that wasn't really
-
encouraged or even allowed right.
-
So those people are really happy.
-
- Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky
-
but what the heck.
You know when they did
-
Windows 8, right. They went to the Windows
-
Phone team and said show us the Metro
-
stuff and they say here you go and for the
-
Windows Phone perspectives thought great!
-
We're going to collaborate with these guys
-
we're going to come out with this cohesive
-
system. Nope they never talked again you
-
know the Windows Phone guys are always
-
the B. team to the Windows guys now in
-
Windows 10 with him gone and you know
-
different people in place that is what's
-
happening but it happens.
Three to five years too late.
-
This is stuff that should have happened
-
on day one. These thing should have
-
evolved together. You know you could have
-
made the case back in I guess we're
-
talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that
-
Windows Phone had been in market at
-
mature to some point. If you're going to
-
go to market with an R. T. style
tablet device.
-
It should have been Windows Phone O.S.
-
it was already there. It had to Apps. It
-
was all there but no they started over
-
from scratch. They created another Windows
-
system that ran out arm. Instead of you
-
know basing it on the thing they really
had very strange.
-
-About ten years ago I had a contact in
-
the Xbox division and a contact in the
-
Windows division and we had a weird
-
exchange of the course of six weeks where
-
basically they were using me as an
-
intermediary to pass messages. I was like
-
you work literally 400 yards away
from each other
-
What's going on here?
-
-Oh by the way if they're still there and
-
on same teams they all work for the same
-
guy I know -Exactly, exactly.
-
-That's one organization now.
-
-That's why they were emailing through me.
-
They're like we can't be seen
to be emailing
-
one another. Someone will see it and get
-
really upset I was thinking that is so
-
dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of
triangulation ever.
-
-Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember
-
when he was the chief scientist
or whatever
-
to the chief software architect.
-
You know he allowed teams to compete on
-
you know file sync technologies and things
-
like that and instead of determining you
-
know that you're the best ideas from each
-
group let's make one thing you know you
-
allow this internal competition to occur
-
and what happens on the outside is you see
-
that they have three different file sync
-
solutions at the time or four and which
-
one do I take a bet on and why are there
-
so many and doesn't the show a lack of
-
leadership. You know and I'm sure there
-
are management strategies or theories that
-
this is a good way to do things but we
-
know from experience with this particular
-
subject that you know that didn't go very
-
well. And eventually it all became
OneDrive
-
you know but for several years there were
-
many, many different solutions.
-
-There were. I remember when all those
-
think engines were out there and it was
-
like it was a time I should think you like
-
which one are they talking about right now
-
-I'm not going to remember all of them.
-
-No there are a lot
-
-I mean now there is Windows Live Sync,
and uhh..
-
-There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was
-
doing a whole different sync thing.
-
-You know it's like a mosh pits theory of
-
management like let them fight it out
-
-I prefer the days of active sync where
-
there was active sync and then active sync
-
for mobile and active scene for enterprise
-
active sync for exchange because
that really
-
made it. You know very easy to understand.
-
-What do you call it when you reuse an
-
acronym? What is that called? Uh, You
-
double it up or whatever it's like they
-
did that with active sync was which is
-
over used. You know as a term.
-
-Someone just thought it sounded like a
-
really cool name so they wanted to use it
-
on as many products as possible and it
-
took me a while to realize that
two products
-
that were called Active Sync actually
-
had… it was no sharing of the code
base between them
-
-Those guys probably hated each other.
-
-Yes. Well because it was the exchange
-
side and then it was the mobile side
and they didn't,
-
I mean, they were competing
with each other.
-
-I remember the spinning green circle
-
very well I still have nightmares about
it. (Laughing)
-
And that's what happens when you build a
-
dysfunctional company. All right. When we
-
come back. What's going to be? Wearables?
-
Ignite?. What do we want to talk about?
-
- Ignite? You mean like the Note 7?
-
-Yeah (Laughing) It's too soon,
too soon man.
-
- I think, let's do wearables because
-
everybody wants to know what's
going on with the Band
-
-Of course. So we'll be banding up in
-
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That's audible.com/windows, of course,
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I don't want to give you just my pick.
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I know this is supposed to come later
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in the show but Paul, you're a big
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audio book listener as well, Yes?
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personal tech industry picks from
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possible there really aren't that many
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really good ones. We talked about
Masters of Doom,
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which is story about the ID software
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guys read by Wil Wheaton, which
is fantastic.
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I had recommended that one sometime ago.
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recommended one back to me, I bought it.
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I haven't actually started it yet but
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this is the next book it's called
Console Wars.
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Sega, Nintendo and the battle that
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Sega stuff of the late 80’s, early 90's
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older fiction pick for me. You've got a
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nonfiction pick for Paul you can pretty
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Audible.com.
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Now this offer works for one credit
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books there are very few that are two
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but if you want to try out Paul's book,
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if you want to try out mine. You need to
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OK, So we've got some Wearables I did see
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a few of these in Berlin and they looked,
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they looked wearable, they looked
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interesting. But should I be
excited Mary Jo?
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smart watch. I did use the Microsoft band
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for a bit of time and I thought it was
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OK, I use the band too but I'm I still
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haven't really seen any wearable device
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and I'm like, Yes, I would pay that, I
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would wear that. And now if you are a fan
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of Microsoft band. We talked last week on
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that Microsoft may be no longer making
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the band after band two. Right after the
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Microsoft was rebranding the Microsoft
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Health application to Band. So people who
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are downloading the Microsoft updates to
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the Microsoft Health application for IOS,
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Android and Windows, were seeing suddenly
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that it was called Band instead of
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Health. Microsoft hasn't really said
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what's going on with that but my sources
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said to me that what they think is that
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Microsoft's rebranding Health to Band
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because right now Microsoft, the
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Microsoft health app that exists really
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just is meant to sync with the Band. It's
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supposed to work with Microsoft band.
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I think what they're going to do is
come out
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with another new app that will be called
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Microsoft Health. And that will work with
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the Microsoft Health Service on all
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different kinds of devices not just the
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Band. They'll be able to work with.
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Android devices different kinds of phone
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platforms and all, all different kinds of
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things and I think the reason they're
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doing this is Microsoft's priority going
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forward in the space is the health, the
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health service and the health
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applications and not so much the actual
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band hardware which has been something
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that a lot of people love but has had
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kind of mixed success. And in fact the
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Band 2 a lot of people have had problems
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with it splitting and they've had to
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return it and I just, I just think
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Microsoft's kind of in a place right now
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where maybe they're thinking about a new
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wearable at some point maybe it'll be
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another kind of a fitness band that'll be
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branded Surface someday but I think the
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Band line as we know it is done and now
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we're going to see them talk about how
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the health service and the help app and
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not so much the Band.
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(Fa Bellencer) I think are going to call
it Band For Life. I think is…
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(Paul) How did you find out about our
secret plans?
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that Band is now called Skype For Life.
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You're going to wear Skype. Because that
makes sense.
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Do either of you wear a band? I like the
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band, I did try it out. But do you
wear it on a daily basis?
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(Mary Jo) No
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(Paul) I mean well I switched to Fit Bit
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three months ago ish. I mean you know I
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really I like the Microsoft Band for what
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it is I think it makes a great
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compromise. Compromise? Is the wrong
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phrase. It's a nice middle ground between
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an expensive and complex smartwatch and
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in a lower end kind of fitness tracker
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right it I think it's got the right mix
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of functionality. I think the thing that
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really kills it be on the reliability
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issues which you know came to light over
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time is just you looking at one day
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battery life. That's the problem with the
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Apple Watch, it's a problem with a lot of
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these devices. You know a FitBit, Ulta.
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I think is the one I have the thing lasts
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for seven or eight days on a charge it's
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incredible and. It accomplishes the same
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basic things that I like the most about
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wearables today which is somebody texts
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you and you can see what it is you get
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you know reminders to get up and move
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around. It's it does the fitness tracking
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kind of stuff so I think I think they
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just running into a marketing issue and
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on the one hand where you know no one
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even knew this thing existed they didn't
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do good job of selling it and just a
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battery life limitation you know an
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Apple. I know wanted to put solar kind of
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activity on the new Apple Watch and they
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didn't because of the battery life stuff
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there was no way to cram a thing
in there make it work.
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Well let's, let's not say that because
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Samsung did. So Samsung’s got their new
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Gear S3, which does have a cell radio in
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it, and Bluetooth and WiFi and it runs
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for four days. So it’s posssible
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(Paul) What I meant was Apple
couldn't do it.
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- So uhm, one of the things that
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Microsoft did with the original Microsoft
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Band that was pretty impressive was just
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put that much in there in a sensor sense
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I think there were eleven sensors in the
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first device. You know the second one
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added one or two other sensors you know
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they were Barometer for altitude and so
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forth you know that kind of data
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collection is really exciting you know
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let's see what we can do with that,
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promise. They never really did much with
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it. You know and of course we don't do a
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good job of selling it and then as
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Mary Jo pointed out sadly the second one
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the first and that's if there was this
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kind of the end of it right there.
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kind of contemplating the idea of putting
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Windows, some variant of Windows 10
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inside the Band.
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The Bands, the Band on and two both had
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firmware inside. It was not Windows
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inside. And right before..
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(Paul) It’s basically Linux by the way.
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Um right before we get all these tips
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about Microsoft, maybe ceasing work on
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the Band I had heard from one of my
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contacts that they are the team that was
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put to try to get Windows 10 to work on
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the Band had been disbanded. So I think.
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So yeah I think I think you know that the
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idea was let's make this part of the
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Windows 10 family right. Like everything
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else has everything else is running what
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the core of Windows 10 the Common Core.
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So why not have the band do that too but
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for whatever reasons they decided that
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was going to work not feasible. And so
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maybe it's they go back to the drawing
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board. Now come up with a new wearable
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that is Windows 10 core from the get go.
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(Paul) Yeah I was thinking as you were
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talking about other wearables which Brad
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who I work with has heard as well. I was
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thinking you know they have to be looking
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at Window 10 this is the point you know
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the universal platform that they can add
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that to the list of targets you can have
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as a developer. I think that has to…
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(Mary Jo) Me too!
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- I'm just I'm still not really sold on
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the wearable tech and I've covered it
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extensively. I’ve had a bunch of really
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good pieces of tech in my lab but
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ultimately I don't want anything on my
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wrist in fact this is you mentioned
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battery life this is the problem with
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the technology that was
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generously donated by Leo Laporte.
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Basically because I waited for him to
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remove things from his office to go on
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the free table and I just followed ‘em
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and I got myself a modem 360. It's a
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fantastic piece of tech but because I
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take it off and because you have to
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charge it on that little awkward docking
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station. I sometimes forget it
on my lap table.
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- So you were just saying do you have a
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band and I went upstairs and change I
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actually took the FitBit off and left it
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up to my bedroom. So I actually normally
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have it on but right now it's not.
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That's just a coincidence but the problem
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I have with that exact advice you're
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talking about. I have one as well. The
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Moto 360 or the Apple Watch is that these
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are you would get you would get used to
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it because if you just use the one device
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but it's as a kind of a strap that you
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have. Kind of connected everything it's a
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fairly you know you balance the thing on
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your wrist and you turn to try and not
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you know it it's because I test different
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devices like I sometimes don't spend
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enough time with any one device like the
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Fitbit is very simple to class the Apple
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Watch I find in the Moto 360. You know
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you have to get used to it right. It's
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kind of like tying shoes you have to do
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it a bunch of times you know so you can
get good at it.
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-I have to think adventurously I would
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get used to it because I wore a watch for
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the first 20 years of my life but since
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then I just I don't want to hitting on my
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wrist it just feels weird even, even
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after a couple of hours of it being on my
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wrist I still feel it there. I still want
to take it off.
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-I wear regular watch still and I feel
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weird when I don't have it.
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(Paul) What do you do with that?
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- I actually use it to tell time. I know
what a thought.
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-And I thought watches only do things
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like give you really abbreviated versions
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of the text messages so that you have to
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reach in your pocket to take out
your phone
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(Mary Jo) And that’s why I don’t need one
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- I used to, you know. When people got
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laptops and then smart phones. You know
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you get into that kind of meeting joke
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where like people are sitting there doing
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their own thing on their devices and not
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paying attention to whatever the person
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is speaking or saying. And that's
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considered rude it might be
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unprofessional whatever and so you know
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one of the big defenses about a wearable
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is like you know if you're a smart watch
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you can casually glance down at your
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watch it’s not as obvious or as terrible
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as looking at like a phone screen or
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tablet or a P.C. or whatever but you know
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I think nothing signals to the people
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you're talking to that your not attention
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more than when you do this kind of thing,
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like really. And now you know I mean it's
just…
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- Or it looks like you're bored right and
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you're like ugh is this over yet?
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-We almost done here? We'll
wrap this up soon.
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- I do. I love sitting at a table when
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someone's wearing a smartwatch and I
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think, you could tell they don't want to
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be rude but their eyes keep going down in
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their wrists like this, you know like I
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know what you're doing just take out
your phone man.
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-You should just start asking Siri
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questions. (laughing)
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-Siri delete that e-mail.
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-Yeah. As my daughter once did she walked
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into my office and she said Xbox off.
(laughing)
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-And actually across the Internet there
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are cries of anguish because people are
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watching Windows Weekly while playing
Gears Of War.
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(Paul) Cortana, What’s the weather?
(laughing)
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-Oh, no! You know, I don’t know.
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I understand that wearables have a bright
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future I understand that it's a big
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profit center. I understand it has to be
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a part of any cloud strategy because it's
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a great way to get data metrics but I'm
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still not completely sold. Go figure!
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Anything else about wearables or should
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move on to Cloud?
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(Paul) Sorry I was just looking at my
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smart watch I missed what you just said.
(laughing)
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- That's about right. Are we done
with wearables?
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-Yeah, let's talk cloud
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-Let's talk cloud because this actually
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is exciting interesting and worthy of a
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post-mortem. What happened?. Microsoft
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suffered a major cloud hic up and a few
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people picked up on it quickly and
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actually Mary Jo, you were one of the
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very first who was able to confirm that
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there was outages of various Azure
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services. What happened?
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- Yeah I didn't, it wasn't any kind of a
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great, great thing that I did. Also I
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came on Twitter last Thursday morning and
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everybody was tweeting to me like as
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Azure is down. It's a huge outage so I
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looked at the status page and they were
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having a giant D.M.S. outage for Azure So
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that took down ended up taking down like
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almost every Azure service or at least
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limiting service on it. I mean everything
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was going down as Azure media services,
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Azure search HDInsight, everything,
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everything was it was like a cascading
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thing and then there were no workarounds
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being posted and people were just saying
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I can’t do anything. I'm like totally
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stuck. I cannot do anything. I'm just
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sitting here twiddling my thumbs. So
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after a couple of hours. Microsoft got
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DNS back up but then in the central part
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of the United States. People were still
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having sequel outages. Then after
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everything seemed to be solved. I started
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getting people tweeting me about OneDrive
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being down and I don't know if the
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OneDrive part was connected to the
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original DNS outage because parts of
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OneDrive do run on Azure. I never could
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confirm that was connected but it seemed
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to be right around the same time and that
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outage hit a number of people in Europe
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and the US, I think also India for
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number, a number of hours and Microsoft
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wouldn't say anything about that one and
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I couldn't get anything just that we know
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some customers are experiencing problems
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and we're working on it. That's it. So if
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you if you want to know more about the
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specifics about what happened and what
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Microsoft saying they're going to do
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going forward to try to prevent this. If
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you go to the as Azure status page that
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you could you could just search for that
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as your status page and you look up in
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the history September 15th. You'll be
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able to see the whole poll postmortem and
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dissection of what went wrong and what
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they intend to do to try to sure that up
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going forward. It wasn't a good day.
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- It wasn't a good day and I think the
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official position was that it was a spike
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in Network traffic that brought down DNS
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which I mean suspiciously sounds like
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it's was attacked and that's what
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especially some people thought.
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-Some people thought that. Some people
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were like it must be a denial service?
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I’m like well I don't know if it is but
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they're not saying it that's what it is
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but who knows?
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- I'm with you at the far more
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interesting part of the story is not that
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there could have been a denial of service
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against Microsoft DNS because that could
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happen anywhere. The more interesting
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part is the services that are actually
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linked together by Azure.
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-Yeah
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-It does give you a sneak peek into some
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of the inner workings that Microsoft
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has been very recalcitrant to explain.
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(Mary Jo) Right. We know there are tons
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of services available on Azure if you go
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on at the Azure page you can see they
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have so many different products now
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working on Azure plus a bunch of other
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services that are parts of things like not
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all of Xbox Live runs on Azure but some
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pieces of it do to so when Azure has a
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major problem. It affects pretty much
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everything. Office 365. I mean they're
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connected in there too, so you know when
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you have something like a DNS outage
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pretty dire and something they needed to
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fix as quickly as possible. I will give
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them credit that they were giving people
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very regular updates but the updates
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weren't very encouraging. It's like yeah
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we know this is down and we're trying
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to fix it. That was kind of it. Least, at
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least they were acknowledging they knew
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and they were working on it because
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sometimes the health dashboard goes down
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to in Azure then you, it looks, when you
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look at it like everything's good. But
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nothing's working so at least this time.
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That was not the case.
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-Right and the thing about Azure is, it
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is a self healing network and it should
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be able to route around problems and the
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fact that it did come back up relatively
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quickly for such a large network that is
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a testament to the technology but there
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is no such thing as a network that cannot
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be brought down. There's always going to
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be and as long as it's using the
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networking protocols that we have today.
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You can take it down, if you want if you
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had enough resources but, but Paul let me
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ask you about this. There was a saying in
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the early days of cloud computing in the
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connectivity and then that one bad day
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This was the bad day. This was business
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in the middle of the workday not being
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able to access Office 365, their OneDrive
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to different degrees. Does this, did this
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bad day and now it makes the
investment useless?
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know your data should be synced to your
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client, your application should be
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running on your P.C. I mean as an
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user you should have access to
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functionality and so it's not that it's
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not all or nothing. You know and I still
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Office 365
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pretty not, not as pervasive but another
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like wow twice and two weeks what the
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understandably so. Yeah.
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into containers. But they're betting
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everything on their N S X platform and
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the NSX platform ensures a way for
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enterprises to be able to do hybrid
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up has some sort of connectivity. You
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we will let you run your Azure services
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on another web service to give you that
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measure of security that you will always
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be able to get to it even if one of these
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services goes, goes down. I see that
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something to listen for next week. See if
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Microsoft talks about that at Ignited
at all.
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-Yeah it will be uh. It will be a brave,
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brave new world. Speaking of a brave new
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for Leo I think it was back in June of
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Microsoft announcing a new Azure service
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that was in Germany and the big news
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about that was it would be entirely in
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Germany. So all the data would be stored
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in Germany they would never allow any of
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the data to go to a data center that was
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not in Germany because Germany has really
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good privacy laws and Microsoft is saying
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we will not even have access to it. We're
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going to give everything to a caretaker
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third party in Germany.
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of the cloud you were a citizen of
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Germany and I say to you, Ick bin ein
Azurler.
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-But Paul what's…what’s this all about.
It's finally out?
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- This is..oh I don't, I have no idea
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what this is. This is Mary
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-Yeah this is me.
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(Paul) I’ve heard of Germany
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-So right. You've heard of Germany.
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(Laughing) So today is the day that this
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new Microsoft region in Germany. There's
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two data centers that and that it
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actually was turned on an open for
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business. So um, yeah it's a big data
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sovereignty story like you just said
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Padre it's something you know Microsoft
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hasn't been able to completely block
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access to customer's data from
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governments when requested and that's
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what their whole Ireland case is about
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that they've been fighting there but
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they're trying to kind of get around this
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in different ways and this German data
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center idea where T. systems which is a
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Deutsche Telecom subsidiary is acting as
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the data trustee in this data center is
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coming to play. So if you, you can decide
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you want Microsoft to be the one
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accessing the data there or you can say
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no I don't even want Microsoft in here. I
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want, I want T systems to be my
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administration here in Germany. So any
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Azure service that can run in these data
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centers is going to have the same
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protection. So for example IOT. IOT is
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Office 365 also so you'll still have that
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benefit an offer of having an external
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trustee be the one administering your
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data and the data will stay on premises
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there in Germany. So kind of cool, kind
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of like a workaround for Microsoft to try
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to say you know what we're taking your
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privacy seriously people and here's what
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we're trying to do to get to kind of. Not
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get around the law but find another
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creative way to ensure data sovereignty.
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in the void where the law has
not caught up
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(Mary Jo) Exactly!
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involving Microsoft and data security
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that the most high profile of them would
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be the case in Ireland about whether or
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not a U.S. court could compel Microsoft
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to give them information that was stored
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on a server that was on the land of
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another sovereign country. And Ireland
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was a little bit iffy because they were
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going back and forth about what was
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allowed by treaty and what was not but
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with Germany. It's very clear. You cannot
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step onto German sovereign soil and
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demand something from a data center and
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that's why Microsoft's set this up. But
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who's going to, who's going to buy this?
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Who's, who's going to want the service?
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Who's going to demand the service?
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- I think a lot of customers in Europe,
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right? For sure. I've even had people
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asking me if I'm not based in Germany
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could I transfer my data from another
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data center to this one and I don't know
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the answer to that I think I did ask
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Microsoft that but I haven't heard back.
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interested and curious about
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how that's going to work.
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- I'd be surprised a lot.
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(Mary Jo) I would too but, yeah we’ll see
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- Actually P.S. chops in the chat room
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has an interesting point. He says as the
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law catches up. We could have a data
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privacy Cold War you have different
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countries saying well I mean if you let
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them into the data for our citizens we’ll
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let them into the data for your citizens.
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- Oh I would say right. It will also have
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a situation where who's going to be the
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Cayman Islands of or the Switzerland of
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you know data storage
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(Fa Bellencer) Data’s the new curtsey.
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–They not gonna let anyone in.
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-And then you'll have, you'll have the
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country saying well if we didn't do this.
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Another country would so we're just
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providing a service that's necessary .
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Wait did we just come up with a new data
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laundering scheme?
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-Yeah -I think we did
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-Will I have to declare my data for a,
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for tax purposes? Is this is how this is
going to work?
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-They may. -I don't like this. All right.
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You know what we talked enough about
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enterprise I want to get into some gaming
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and only, if only there was a member of
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about gaming.
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-I'm ready. Let's go.
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– Go, Mary Jo I understand you're
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a big uh, Gears of War fan right Mary Jo?
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- Oh yes I am
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-You're all about the shooting and
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what weapons do they have in
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Gears of War? I don't even know this game.
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(Paul) What weapons? -I'm assuming
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there's some guns and some knifes right?
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(Mary Jo) Cats. I think there are cats.
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-I get Cats. Cats are ultimate weapon.
No but Paul...
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(Paul) And some chainsaws.
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-Can you tell me a little bit about the
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Xbox S and their Minecraft bundle because
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Microsoft has been conquering the
world with Minecraft.
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-Mine.. Yes they are. You know since the
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Xbox One S. came out in early August
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they've been kind of bulking out the
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lineup with different bundles you know
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they have a Gears of War 4 bundle for
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example which is ridiculous looking but
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the Minecraft one looks really good
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actually. Especially if you haven't
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bought into this yet in the Microsoft
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ecosystem because it's no much. It's no
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more expensive than the normal console.
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But you get the game for free. Obviously
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an Xbox 1, you get the game for free on
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Windows 10 and then you get a bunch of
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favorites and builders packs just you
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know downloadable content that you
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normally would have to pay for. All
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bundled into this thing and so for $300
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bucks I mean this is actually it's a
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great deals and then Minecraft is amazing
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and so if you've never experienced
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Minecraft I mean this is a great way to
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get into it. So that's kind of a cool
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one. And then the Gears of War 4 news is
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that the game was completed this week. So
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it's gone gold. It's being released in
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October and if you preorder it. You can
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play it. I think it's four days early so
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I believe it comes out on October 11th
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and those who preordered it. I don't know
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if probably digitally obviously. Can
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start playing it on the 7th and so this
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is a new kind of a rejiggering of the
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story you know so there was a trilogy of
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Gears of War games that came out on
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Xbox 360 was made by a third party
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developer Who, why can’t I think of the
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name of the company? That's crazy!
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It doesn't matter they sold
it to Microsoft
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and so now Microsoft and using this.
Say again?
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–Oh Mojang
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-No Gears of War – Oh Gears of War, Oh!
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Wasn’t that just 360 studios?
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–No it was the Cliff Bleszinski guys.
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Uh it kills me when I can’t think of stuff
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(Mary Jo)
Bungee?
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–No, Bungee’s Halo
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–I’m just guessing.
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–Oh, um was it the same studio that did
Bio Shock?
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- Nope. (laughing) this is embarrassing.
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So anyway whoever it was.
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(Mary Jo) Let’s just keep guessing.
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(Fa Bellencer) Atari?
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(Mary Jo) Epic games?
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(Paul) Wow! Epic Games. So they did the
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original trilogy on the 360, it was
a 360 exclusive.
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Well it was a Microsoft, it's a, the first
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Gears of War game actually shipped on
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Windows and then they did the 360 version
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and so now on the Xbox 1, we have the
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original game is available remastered the
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other games are available backwards
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compatibility and now we're getting a new
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Forth game which takes place you know 20
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years later there's you know, you know
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the story. All hell breaks loose etc, etc
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So it's a pretty big deal because
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you know exclusives kind of drive console
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sells and so forth so Microsoft has had
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Halo and Gears two and so Gears have a
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new series of Gears games coming out for
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the Xbox 1 is kind of a big deal. So we
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shall see. Someone included with us in
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software. Nope!
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- It's kind of interesting that's
October 11th
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because that's also a big day for
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Dynamics 365. I’m just saying.
-Yikes.
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Yeah I'm sure that's not coincidental.
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- I'm sure it's not. (laughing)
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-Well I mean dynamics is one of the most
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profitable division in Microsoft
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currently has. So, I mean naturally. ou
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You see the tie in, right? Well let me ask
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you this we're thinking about doing a
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little Gears of War thing here at the
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studio because Lee has got his Xbox. I've
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actually got an Xbox 1S on its way along
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with Gears of War when it comes out but I
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will be in Rome. So it's shipping to me
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in Rome. We're all going to have our
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little Kingston Gears of War branded
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headsets. I think we need a death match.
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-Yeah OK. I'm not great at death match I
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will say um.. Gears of War, those games,
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the single player stuff has been really
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good, a story has been good for the most
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part. The death match stuff, if you're
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really used to the fast moving kind of
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twitchy. You know Call of Duty type stuff
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it's a little more grounded. They've got
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it a little bit more vertical over the
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years but you know especially the first
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game, you kinda crouch low to the ground
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and that was pretty much where you stayed
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so I'm not I'm not great at it but.
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-Well I mean if you play with us. I'll
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try to get Pope Francis on the
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controller. I've heard that he can frag
like nobody else.
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-I just want to hear him swear like a
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sailor. That will be the best part.
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-Gears of War is pretty good but the one
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that I was most impressed with at E3 and
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the one that I really, really want to
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play is Cup Head because that looks
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fantastic. And I know, I know Paul that
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you love that game.
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- Well actually I will say even Mary Jo
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is looking forward to it.
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- I was curious about that one, actually.
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- I kind of you know like forty style
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animation. Things like that.
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- It's steam boat Willy.
–Yeah
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- There were a few. There was the ship of
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thieves or ship of, yeah ship of,
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Ship of Thieves or Sea of Thieves?!
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(Paul) I’m not sure.
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-There were a few at E3 that
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actually were kind of interesting.
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(Paul) -3D Realms. No it wasn't 3D Realms,
sorry. (laughing)
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-Are we back to just naming off studios?
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–Yeah I don’t know
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-All right, well when we come back it's
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with it but let’s just find out. D. Apple
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I used Windows phone for several years
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because Microsoft makes lock screens and
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launchers and you know keyboards and all
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kinds of things for Android so you can
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internet but people who use iPhones do so
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for a reason. There are good reasons to
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Android from kind of the perspective of a
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what it's like to use an iPhone from a
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than ever because with this version of
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of your soul.
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Literally one pound you know.
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good because I know I can give away a
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couple of grams and still be good.
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-Yeah mine's a little fatty. But it's
good eating.
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blood work back and I am surprisingly in
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pork rinds are really bad for you.
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(Paul) I'm somewhat surprised by that.
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Do you eat them in like a cheese bath or ?
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(Paul) That's it's good for the skin.
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your iPhone. We've got an app pick of the
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week. Who's got fire watch?
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watch is a game that ship like I think
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last year on PlayStation 4 and also in
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of give it a shot. I really, really enjoy
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this game and so just today. Literally it
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shipped on Xbox 1 you can get it now on
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Microsoft's platform and so same exact
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game it's a wonderful game it's kind of a
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it's kind of a like interactive adventure
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basically it is there's a mystery and
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it's got beautiful graphics and you know
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immersive sound and all that kind of
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compelling to people who don't play video
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get into this. So it's a great, great
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story. It's a really neat game and the
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Xbox One version has some unique stuff as
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an audio tour and when you finish the
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game you can actually free roam around
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the environment you can see the whole
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world that they created for the game.
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mist. It's got, it's looks like it's got
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that same sort of artistic.
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(Paul) Don't ever compare this
to mist again.
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(laughing) No it’s a.. OK well I guess
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what I would say is, you know mist for
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the day was seemed photo realistic
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I guess I'm sure we would look
at the quite
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clearly graphics like they don't attempt
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but that the graphics are beautiful. It's
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a beautiful game. You know really really
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well done the whole thing, the whole
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presentation is great .
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(Fa. Bellencer) It's not a horror
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(Paul ) No but this is a mystery. It's
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like, it's the type of thing where you
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know you show up at your new job out in
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the woods and you go investigate what's
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going on when you come back. Someone has
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ransacked the tower that you live in and
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you know the music kind of kicks in like
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it's like it's getting a little stressful
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like what's going on here. And so it's
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just it's a mystery that you uncover.
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Just a few other things I want to throw
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out for apps because a bunch of stuff
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happened this week. I do an app race and
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mobile app pick of the week, and a Skype
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preview app. We’ve already talked about
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this but if you're on the insider program
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it's certainly worth looking at. I
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haven't gotten it to work but I know
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people have if you're interested in the
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SMS relay stuff that is available if you
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mobile. Microsoft has also updated a
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bunch of its mobile apps on the Internet
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IOS and so on Android, Word, Excel and
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Power Point, the kind of the core apps
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have much simpler sharing capabilities
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now and also I can’t … here and
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collaboration features and in OneDrive.
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I don't actually, it's funny I read the
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think graphically looks any different.
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U.I. or whatever but it looks the same to
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me but there's a new me tab and a U.I.
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information and a bunch of other stuff
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that was just hidden away before so
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that's kind of cool and then the new
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Outlook.com which by the way I still
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don't have I think I'm on what are we on
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the day 457 or something. If you have it.
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I know Mary Jo does. They've added
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integrated support for a Google Drive and
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Facebook photos meaning that if you're
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going to, if you're sending out an e-mail
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“Hey I just went on this great vacation.
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Here are some photos.” You can pull those
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photos in from other services now include
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you know the Google Drive and Facebook
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photo. I'd love to test that feature
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Microsoft. If you're listening.
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(Mary Jo) You're going to be the last one
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the very, very last one to get
the new Outlook.
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- Now that you've asked for it, that's
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how that works. Sorry it's a rule.
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(Mary Jo) Yep
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(Paul) I observed on Twitter, the other
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day that hearing that other people have
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the new Outlook.com is like when you're
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at war and you find out that the buddy
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you're in a foxhole with is going home
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and you're happy for him and in one way
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but you're also like you're really upset
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with him you know because he's leaving
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and you're not you know I mean it's the
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same kind of weird mixed feeling.
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you get the new outlook. He will
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(Paul and Fa Bellencer) Shoot you
in the back.
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(Mary Jo) He wants to know immediately.
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-This is good. This is good to know good
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information. Mary Jo fully your
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enterprise picks of the week.
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what to think about and look for next
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week at the Ignite show that Microsoft's
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having in Atlanta. Paul and I are going
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to be there a lot of other journalists
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will be there but looking ahead I'll tell
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you what I think we're going to hear a
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lot about. So it's very interesting to,
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at Ignite this year, there is only one
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day of keynotes. The morning keynote
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starts at 9:00 A.M. on Monday
September 26th.
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going to be webcasting that and then
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there's an afternoon keynote which is
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4 to 5 on the same day. That's it for
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keynotes. So there's going to be a lot of
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recording of all the different sessions
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of Ignite and it'll be up on Channel Nine
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Microsoft Channel Nine. I think we're
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going to hear this is this is kind of a
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no brainer. A lot about
Windows Server 2016
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there because that's where
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Microsoft's going to quote launch the
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product. It won't be available that week,
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which is next week but right after it.
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generally available. So expect a lot of
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Windows Server 2016 all the new stuff
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that's happening with containers in
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Windows 7 2016 we’ll hear a lot. We’ll
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probably also hear a lot about nano
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server which is a new role for a stripped
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down role in Windows 7 2016 next week.
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stack. Azure stack is basically Azure
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that you can run in your own data center
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or that your club provider can run in
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their data center for you. I think maybe
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we'll hear about Technical Preview two of
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Azure stack next week it will be around
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the right time and Microsoft said
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recently that Azure stack won't actually
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be available until mid-2017. So it's
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running late. But I think, I think they
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do want to get the Technical Preview out
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there there's a lot of sessions about
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Azure stack. I think there's going to be
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some meet ups and they'll be a big
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representation for Azure stack. Also we
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haven't said this word on Windows Weekly
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lately, Data Lake's I know every wanted
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to hear it. So I think next week.
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Exactly. You're going to hear a lot about
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Data Lakes. Everyone drink! Data Lake is
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the big data repository technology that
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Microsoft had in previews since last
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September. I think maybe at Ignite we're
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going to hear them talk about Data Lake
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technologies being generally available so
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we'll hear a lot of big data talk a lot
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of Hadoop talk probably will be tied in
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with some of the data summit
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presentations that are happening
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simultaneously with that Ignite in
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Atlanta next week. More probably more
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about Microsoft's data scientists degree
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program which they gave a little sneak
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peek of at the world wide Partner
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Conference. I think the first class they
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graduated from that degree program is
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going to be announced or somehow
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represented at Ignite. That's my guess,
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because Microsoft said that that group of
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people would be graduating in September.
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So we're in September. Still I think that
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could happen next week and then there's a
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thing that I've talked about before in
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the show called open mind studio which I
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think is kind of like Visual Studio
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except for machine learning. I would be
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very surprised if we don't hear about
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that next week too. So all of these
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things and more. I'm sure. Probably a lot
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of office Content Officer 365, Office
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Crack, Share Point all your favorite
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Office topics will be there as well and
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we've said this before. Paul and I are
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doing Windows Weekly live next week with
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Padre from Ignite at our usual time
2:00 P.M.
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on September 28th, 2:00 P.M. Eastern
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and then we finally know a better meet up
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or meet up is going to be held on the
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28th right after the show. It's going to
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be 5:00 to 8:00 P.M. It's at a bar craft
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beer bar called Argosy A R G O S Y in
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Atlanta. And I guess it's the Argosy East
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version of Argosy So if even if you
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aren't at Ignite and you don't have a
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badge you can still come to our meet up
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at 5:00 to 8:00 P.M We've tweeted out
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about it a couple times more about it. So
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definitely if you're an Atlanta or near.
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You can come and join us there. And while
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I'm talking about events. I want to throw
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one more Paul and I also are going to be
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in Las Vegas the last week of October. At
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a couple of shows that are held together
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called DEVintersection and IT
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intersection. We're going to be speaking
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there too and probably will have a meet
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up there. If you want to know more about
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that there's a lot of really good
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Microsoft speakers. Stephen Guggenheim is
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going to be there. Scott Hanselman and
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who else. Brad Anderson a lot of big
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Microsoft names plus a lot of the
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the community there. DVEintersection.com
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You can find out more there. So that's my
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mega enterprise pick for the week.
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got Ignite coming up. So that's expected.
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And it close us out we've got the code
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name Pick of the week and the beer pick
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of the week which I'm actually looking
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forward to because we're going to be
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doing a beer episode of know how. I may
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not drink beer but I do like the smell.
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(laughing) OK so, should I do
the code name now?
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-Do it
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-Code name pick of the week is
Project Bletchley
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and yes it is named after that Bletchley
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if you know what I'm talking
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about here. Let's see the one in
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Bletchley Park in England. So this, what
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project Bletchley is… is Microsoft's code
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name for Azure block chain as a service
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middleware. So, since last year,
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Microsoft's been trying to work out a way
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to make Azure blocked, Azure block chain
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as a service be something that people
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might use in various industries not just
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for bitcoin mining and all but also in a
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lot of enterprises especially banking and
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finance because what is blocked chain
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it's actually a distributed Ledger
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technology so that makes sense in a lot
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of different enterprise type
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applications. What they decided to do was
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to try to use Azure technologies to make
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it easier for people to build
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applications that could take advantage of
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block chain as a service. So they came up
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with this idea of project Bletchley in
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July. They put out a white paper and said
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“This is how we think this might work.”
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This week they actually put out what they
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are calling version one of project
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Bletchley. What it is…is a template. So
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version one's just a template basically,
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but it's a pretty powerful template. It's
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a template that is made to help people
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figure out how to kind of on board into
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Project Bletchley. I wrote a blog post
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about this. I have a whole bunch of links
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with different things about The Cryptlets
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technology that's part of the Project
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Bletchley, how that works and
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architectural diagrams for people like
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that stuff. And Microsoft has a
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walk-through of how to use this template
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so if you want to just start kicking the
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tires now and seeing what is this thing
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as you're blotching as a service. You can
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start doing that now through this
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template that is available through the
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Azure Resource Manager portal.
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That's the code name.
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- Whoot, fantastic. And of course we got
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to do the beer pick of the week right?
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- Yeah so this is a very interesting bear
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pick. Stone Brewing, San Diego area,
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makes a lot of excellent beers of all
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kinds. They have a very famous series of
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beers that they've done called the
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Vertical Epic series. So every year like
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on February second. The second of
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February which is 2/2/2002 they put out a
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beer. That was called the Stone Vertical
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Epic series 2/22 they did one in 3/33,
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4/44 and these are huge collector's items
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like people pay hundreds of dollars to
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stone 20th anniversary encore series this
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Golden Ale like all the things you love
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(Paul) It’s pretty much all the
things I love. Period.
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(Mary Jo) It is pretty much, right?
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Orange flavoring very effervescent, very it's
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really good really, really good and the
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remake I can tell you is equally good. So
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Paul Thurrott of course again behind
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thurrott.com. Paul, what are you working
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(Paul) No I mean I… No. (laughing)
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(Fa Bellencer) Your silence says it all.
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we're rolling out like a
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that stuff lately so it's coming soon.
That's all I can say.
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And that would be a slogan.
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If I were making slogans that would be
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(Paul) Not quite as good as the Man With
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is Mary Jo Foley
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of course of the “All About…” always
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say Android but it really is Windows
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“All About Windows” blog over at Z.D.Net.
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Mary Jo you always are my source
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for Microsoft happenings in the
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enterprise anything interesting going on
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your side that you're particularly
jazzed about?
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Ignite next week because I think they'll
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we'll have some really good news stories
next week.
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aggregated till next time and Father
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Microsoft Ignite next week but until then
take your with Newsweek.