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It's time for Windows weekly with
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Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.
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bad cloud day. Window's Weekly is next.
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It's time for Windows weekly with
Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.
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I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for Leo Laporte
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who is currently looking for the answers
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to life, the universe and everything
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acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott
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is the guru behind Thurrott.com the
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previewer of news, reviews and analyzes
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for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the
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mastermind behind ZDnet All About
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Microsoft blog. Together their here to
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bring a light to the deep cave of
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Microsoft news, like a over charged light
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bulb battery exploding in the darkness.
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Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya.
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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(Paul) It's like your introducing
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Bond villains there.
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(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow!
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The masterminds.
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(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley.
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(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat?
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and can you do this with your fingers?
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- I think I need that on a business card.
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If I still used business cards I would.
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That is one of those strange things.
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At these conventions that we go to these shows
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we all do the business card thing and
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I've even got down the whole Asian thing
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of handing like this and a bit of a bow.
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But, um, those collect dust afterwards,
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I almost never use them.
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- No, No! I don't even have one.
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- I was going to say I think I have some,
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but I've never brought them anywhere.
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-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you?
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It's kind of a thing, it's how you say hello, right?
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- uh
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-Well now people just say, "where can
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I find you?" and I just day "All About
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Microsoft"
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- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones
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together and say "Power twins activate."
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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- No, I don't know every once in a while
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someone will hand me a business cards
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and I have a momentary bit of confusion,
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like I don't have one of these things,
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or I don't have it with me.
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You know I feel, it's like a weird moment.
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I feel like I need to give them something
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in return, it's like someone comes over
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with a gift and you don't have anything
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to give them.
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-Yeah, that's what it is. I know I'm handing
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out cards like they are candy, but it's
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just because I want to give you something.
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It's like thank you very much for your time,
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uh, here's something, and stop talking
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to me now.
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(laughing) yes, right!
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(Paul) I've met the social obligation
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(Father Ballencer) And if you actually want to see
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where this is gonna be put up you can contact
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ma at this other wise I'm just gonna assume
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that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep (laughter)
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(Paul) I needed a resume for something,
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you know, like a year ago or more, I. . .
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Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...?
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(laughing) I don't keep track of my
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accomplishments, I'm not even sure what
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I would do with that.
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(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer,
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Colene Goldstein, she's actually
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really good LinkedIn. Before she hands over
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her card, she'll just say can I find you on
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LinkedIn and she's just building up this huge
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network of all these people that she's connected
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to and she says that's far more efficient
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than trying to take a card and then remember
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where it came from and who they
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represented six weeks ago.
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Because remember a lot of the people that
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you meet don't actually work for that company
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they work for a PR company that represents
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the company that you are talking to. (Paul) Right.
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and you won't remember who that is unless
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you actually write it on the back of that card
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and even then sometimes you don't remember
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- I have to look at the lower third to remember
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Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm
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really not good at that kind of thing.
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(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing.
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(Father Ballencer) I have to look down here with her
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If I don't see that?
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(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does that say?
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(laughing) Sir Foley, ur no let's not do that.
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I'll right let's get away from social convention
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cuz we've got some pretty spectacular windows news
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who's got this first one, because eventually
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Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right we're not
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offering the free version anymore, maybe we
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should kill that nag screen"
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Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit. Um,
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Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a
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KB article that said "Hey we're finally going to
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push through Windows update, an update
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that takes away the Windows, get Windows10 app.
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So if you remember July 29th was the actual day
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the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended.
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And at that time they said it might take us
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a little while to faze this out because we've
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so thoroughly inundated everyone with this app
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and the promotion. So actually the real
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day when this ended at least when the app ended
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was yesterday. And it's starting to roll
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through the Windows update. It replaces
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the get Windows 10 app and it goes away.
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But the weird complication not complication
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but the weird kind of coincidence is
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you can actually still get Windows 10 as free upgrade
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You just have to use your existing Windows 7
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or 8.1 product key and you can still unlock the free
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upgrade, which is something Microsoft is not
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actively advertising, but Paul has been verifying it daily.
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(Paul) well weekly
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(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him is it still up
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(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told that if you do
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the get Windows 10 thing and then you roll it
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back you're always set you can always re-download it
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(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for new installs.
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In other words you have never done this before
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you have a key you can do a clean Windows 10
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right now and it would still work.
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(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how
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it's suppose to work.
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(Mary-jo) Yep (Paul) I know, and by the way
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one day it won't, I mean maybe this weekend
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or the weekend after that, someday, I'm gonna
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wake up, I'm gonna test it and it's not gonna work
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you know it's just.. It's going to happen eventually.
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But, um, I wrote an article about this
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not working probably a month ago in anticipation
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of it not working and it's just kept working
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the things been sitting here at my desktop since
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August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and
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do an update everyday just to make sure it still goes?
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(Paul) not everyday and least once a week.
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- Now does this
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(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you
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still do it? And he's like, Yep you can!
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-So does this now increase the value of the
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Windows 10 upgrade, because now you can't get
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it except maybe if you know this super secret,
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now do people actually want it?
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(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose.. I think the issue
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is.. Well if you wanted to save some money
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I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1
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product key and you know, well you
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wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1
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I should say, it's possibly you can buy a copy of it
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somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it
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anymore and than you could upgrade now for less money
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than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just
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had keys for some reason, maybe a company that has
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keys allotted or you bought the package version
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at some point, maybe you bought the Windows 7
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family pack back in the day and you only used
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two of the three keys and you've got an extra
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one sitting around for what ever reason.
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If you have a key it will work. If you
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got them from TechNet that will work.
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um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see.
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-Microsoft won't say when they think
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it will no longer work in fact they aren't
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really publicly saying that it still works
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if you ask them, they just don't answer
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when you ask about this.
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And I assume it's the same thing that they said
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about the get Window 10 app
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that it might take some time for them
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to shut it off. But the other theory is they
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are just leaving it open for those laggers
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who didn't get around to updating by July 29th
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and they can say to them "You know what, psst
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by the way."
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- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think that's the
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point that if they are people out there in the world
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with Windows 7 install that they've never done
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Microsoft would much rather see them be on
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Windows 10, if they're going to do a new Windows
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install. Why wouldn't they want that.
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- I can also see this heading off a lot of
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complaints from people who said "oh man
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I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot and I
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did it in August and it didn't work anymore"
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No that's not actually a valid excuse.