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It's time for Windows weekly with
Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.
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I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for
Leo Laporte
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who is currently looking for the answers
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to life, the universe and everything
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acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott
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is the guru behind Thurrott.com the
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previewer of news, reviews and analyzes
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for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the
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mastermind behind ZDnet All About
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Microsoft blog. Together their here to
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bring a light to the deep cave of
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Microsoft news, like a over charged light
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bulb battery exploding in the darkness.
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Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya.
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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(Paul) It's like your introducing
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Bond villains there.
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(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow!
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The masterminds.
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(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley.
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(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat?
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and can you do this with your fingers?
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- I think I need that on a business card.
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If I still used business cards I would.
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That is one of those strange things.
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At these conventions that we go to
these shows
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we all do the business card thing and
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I've even got down the whole Asian thing
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of handing like this and a bit of a bow.
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But, um, those collect dust afterwards,
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I almost never use them.
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- No, No! I don't even have one.
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- I was going to say I think I have some,
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but I've never brought them anywhere.
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-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you?
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It's kind of a thing, it's how you say
hello, right?
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- uh
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-Well now people just say, "where can
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I find you?" and I just day "All About
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Microsoft"
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- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones
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together and say "Power twins activate."
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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- No, I don't know every once in a while
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someone will hand me a business cards
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and I have a momentary bit of confusion,
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like I don't have one of these things,
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or I don't have it with me.
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You know I feel, it's like a weird moment.
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I feel like I need to give them something
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in return, it's like someone comes over
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with a gift and you don't have anything
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to give them.
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-Yeah, that's what it is. I know
I'm handing
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out cards like they are candy, but it's
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just because I want to give you something.
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It's like thank you very much for
your time,
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uh, here's something, and stop talking
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to me now.
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(laughing) yes, right!
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(Paul) I've met the social obligation
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(Father Ballencer) And if you actually
want to see
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where this is gonna be put up you
can contact
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ma at this other wise I'm just gonna
assume
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that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep
(laughter)
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(Paul) I needed a resume for something,
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you know, like a year ago or more, I. . .
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Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...?
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(laughing) I don't keep track of my
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accomplishments, I'm not even sure what
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I would do with that.
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(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer,
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Colene Goldstein, she's actually
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really good LinkedIn. Before she
hands over
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her card, she'll just say can I find
you on
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LinkedIn and she's just building up
this huge
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network of all these people that she's
connected
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to and she says that's far more efficient
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than trying to take a card and then
remember
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where it came from and who they
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represented six weeks ago.
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Because remember a lot of the people that
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you meet don't actually work for
that company
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they work for a PR company that represents
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the company that you are talking to.
(Paul) Right.
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and you won't remember who that is unless
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you actually write it on the back of
that card
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and even then sometimes you don't remember
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- I have to look at the lower third to
remember
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Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm
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really not good at that kind of thing.
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(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing.
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(Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here
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If I don't see that?
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(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does
that say?
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(laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not
do that.
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I'll right let's get away from social
convention
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cuz we've got some pretty spectacular
windows news
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who's got this first one, because
eventually
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Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right
we're not
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offering the free version anymore,
maybe we
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should kill that nag screen"
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Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit.
Um,
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Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a
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KB article that said "Hey we're finally
going to
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push through Windows update, an update
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that takes away the Windows, get
Windows 10 app.
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So if you remember July 29th was the
actual day
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the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended.
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And at that time they said it might
take us
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a little while to faze this out
because we've
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so thoroughly inundated everyone
with this app
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and the promotion. So actually the real
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day when this ended at least when
the app ended
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was yesterday. And it's starting to roll
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through the Windows update. It replaces
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the get Windows 10 app and it goes away.
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But the weird complication
not complication
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but the weird kind of coincidence is
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you can actually still get Windows 10
as free upgrade
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You just have to use your existing
Windows 7
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or 8.1 product key and you can still
unlock the free
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upgrade, which is something Microsoft
is not
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actively advertising, but Paul has been
verifying it daily.
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(Paul) well weekly
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(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him
is it still up
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(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told
that if you do
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the get Windows 10 thing and then
you roll it
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back you're always set you can always
re-download it
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(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for
new installs.
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In other words you have never
done this before
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you have a key you can do a clean
Windows 10
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right now and it would still work.
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(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how
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it's suppose to work.
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(Mary-jo) Yep
(Paul) I know, and by the way
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one day it won't, I mean maybe
this weekend
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or the weekend after that, someday,
I'm gonna
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wake up, I'm gonna test it and
it's not gonna work
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you know it's just.. It's going to
happen eventually.
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But, um, I wrote an article about this
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not working probably a month ago
in anticipation
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of it not working and it's just
kept working
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the things been sitting here at
my desktop since
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August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and
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do an update everyday just to make
sure it still goes?
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(Paul) not everyday and least once a week.
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- Now does this
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(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you
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still do it? And he's like, Yep you can!
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-So does this now increase the
value of the
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Windows 10 upgrade, because now
you can't get
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it except maybe if you know this
super secret,
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now do people actually want it?
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(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose..
I think the issue
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is.. Well if you wanted to save some money
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I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1
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product key and you know, well you
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wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1
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I should say, it's possibly you can
buy a copy of it
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somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it
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anymore and than you could upgrade
now for less money
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than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just
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had keys for some reason, maybe a
company that has
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keys allotted or you bought the
package version
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at some point, maybe you bought
the Windows 7
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family pack back in the day and you
only used
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two of the three keys and you've got
an extra
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one sitting around for what ever reason.
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If you have a key it will work. If you
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got them from TechNet that will work.
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um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see.
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it will no longer work in fact they aren't
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really publicly saying that it still works
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if you ask them, they just don't answer
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when you ask about this.
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And I assume it's the same thing
that they said
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about the get Window 10 app
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that it might take some time for them
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to shut it off. But the other
theory is they
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are just leaving it open for those laggers
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who didn't get around to updating by
July 29th
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and they can say to them "You know what,
psst
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by the way."
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- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think
that's the
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point that if they are people out there
in the world
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with Windows 7 install that they've
never done
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Microsoft would much rather see them be on
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Windows 10, if they're going to do a
new Windows
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install. Why wouldn't they want that.
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complaints from people who said "oh man
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I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot
and I
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did it in August and it didn't
work anymore"
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No that's not actually a valid excuse.
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You know September 21st, October 21st,
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It's starting to get to the point where
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you can't pretend you've been
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procrastinating and than just forgot
I mean,
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You know at some point it's just. . .
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Their just leaving it open, its fine.
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I have no problem with this.
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- This is actually a huge opportunity
for us
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because I know Alex has been trying to
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update the Tri caster to Windows 10
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(Paul) Actually Padre, Let me correct you
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you shouldn't run Windows update on the
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Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say
you should
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So I really hope that nothing. . .
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Oh Crap! (Laughing)
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- This is what happens, You get a
nag screen
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in the middle of Windows weekly
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that's oddly blocking me out entirely,
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that's different (Mary-Jo) It is
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You know we're going to have to live
with this
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for the next 20 -30 minutes because
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unfortunately, click the initiated
and it'll
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take that much time to install and
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uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see
us though
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we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom
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on us, but the big picture you can see us.
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(Paul) How do I know that this
graphic hasn't
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been used more gleefully on
Macbreak weekly
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and whatever morning show I'm sure you do?
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(Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google,
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I think this is actually the
new title card
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for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will
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never reserve your copy.
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Do either of you still have Windows 7,
8 & 10
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Machines in your environment?
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(Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7,
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(Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all?
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(Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8
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(Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1
and 10
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(Mary-Jo) You have all of them.
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(Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10
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does still kill some of my USB devices
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so my production machines have to stay 8
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and I have one laptop and that just works
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better at 7.
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(Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still
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use because it's just an older machine,
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the Dell that I've had for awhile
I just left
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it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to
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replace the machine Ill just get
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Windows 10 machine.
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(Paul) But what about all those
gotta have it
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apps you can't run?
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-Um?!
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(Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question,
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this really did hurt Microsoft's
reputation,
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right? I mean Yes, That number of how
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many deployments they have of Windows 10
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is forever going to be asterisk.
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People said "Well how many of those were
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accidental upgrades or how many of those
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were installs and then rollbacks almost
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immediately. This. . Will people
forget this
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or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen
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be the butt of jokes for the next two
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decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've
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irreparably harmed their reputation with
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this and not just Microsoft generally but
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the reputation of Windows as well.
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The forced upgrade thing was a
huge mistake
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on their part and a very risky gamble and
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the recent people aren't going to forget
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it is because they came out and said we're
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going to hit a billion within two to three
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years and then right before Windows the
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windows ten free upgrade ended they said
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you know what we're not going to make that
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goal and so even though they did that they
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were unable to you know meet
this reasonable
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goal, I thought, of reaching a billion
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users in that timeframe.
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- You know Mary Jo there's two ways to
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look at this. There's one way and
this would,
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I think this is where Paul lines up, there
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was an executive or some marketing person
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who said you know what we want to hit a
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billion because it sounds like a
great number.
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So let's just force this on people. The
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other way to think of this is that some
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engineers said you know what people
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will like ten if they just try it if
we just
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get it on the machine they will understand
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what all the hoopla is about.
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Which of those do you fall with?
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- So I also, like Paul, think this was a
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big mistake and the part that really
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kind of riled me the most was when
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Microsoft was taking the tack of saying
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it's for users own good that were doing
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this and you know I was like wait this is
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so paternalistic How can you say what's
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for my good or my mother's good who
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accidently got Windows ten and
like flipped
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out when she got it you know I just think
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that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They
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made a free upgrade available very easily
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to people but I don't think they should
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have rammed it down people's throat.
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But it's also, I don’t know
if it qualifies
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as ironic but, You know one of the kind of
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contracts you enter into with Microsoft
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when you do install or get Windows 10 is
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you're accepting a constant stream of
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upgrades and you really can't do anything
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as an individual to befriend that from
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happening. Least not elegantly or easily
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and your introduction to this new world is
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Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly
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jamming Windows 10 down your throat
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you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview
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of what the future holds for you when you
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do this and it's just the wrong first step
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you know to resent, it was a
terrible mistake
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- Yeah and then the, you hiding of the way
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that you would actually accept the upgrade
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where people were closing the window.
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That was really bad. That made like a bad
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situation worse. So yeah not a good look.
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- In writing about this topic today
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I decided not to go back and hit on every
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single little milestone in this because
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frankly it's kind of depressing.
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You know, when you go back to look at the
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sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm
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sure have written about this get
Windows 10
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thing since last year and the various ways
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they changed it silently some Windows
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Update, or group of Windows Updates would
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go out, some of them would prevent the
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blockers from, you know or the un-blockers
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I guess from you know working.
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some of them would change the way the
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dialog looked or worked. You know in the
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past when you close the window, it would
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just go away but at one point when you
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close the window you silently
have accepted
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the upgrade and that's purposefully evil.
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It's terrible.
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-For me I think that hurt more
than anything
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else because I understand wanting to
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force out the update. Especially since
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they believe it's going to be much more
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secure, it's going to be much more feature
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rich. But the fact that they kept playing
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cat and mouse with people who just didn't
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want to be nagged anymore. That's the
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reputation strike it's like ok
if I went to
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the trouble of removing that nag screen
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then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can
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do that. So the fact that you're trying to
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work around what I did. Now I feel as if
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we're playing Microsoft nanny state.
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-Right -Yeah, yeah
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A lot of times you know they keep saying
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you know what, we're letting people get
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around it, if they go in and edit the
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registry settings. I'm like, wait a second
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hold on, that's not something most people
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should do. In fact, probably very few
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should do it. And so when that was
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like “Hey were give you an alternative
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to get out of it. I was like uh, that's
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not a good option.
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-That's not an alternative.
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–No
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back over a year of articles
for this topic.
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What I reminded myself of was in late June
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one month before the free offer ended.
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They finally added something to that
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box that said I don't want this please
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stop asking me. It took them eleven of
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the twelve months to get to that point.
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to attempt.
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OK this is one of these stories that it
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continuation of stories
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pink slips over at Microsoft.
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(Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the
Skype thing first.
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(Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know
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what that's hold off on the super awesome
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(Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can
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we could kind of mix it up a little.
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-The people getting pink slips got
them over Skype. (laughter)
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(Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting
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have been home. Some of them got it
seventeen times. (laughing)
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(Mary-Jo) Burn, burn
(Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype.
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-Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S.
relate because you, I think you've
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actually looked at it, right?
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-No, well not exactly, so, Err,
how do I explain this,
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but earlier this year Microsoft announced
a feature that was going to come
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in the Windows 10 anniversary
update called messaging everywhere
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and the idea is that you have a Windows
Phone or an Android phone
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and you can use your computer to send
text messages and receive text messages
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right like you can do in a Mac if you
have an iPhone as well.
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And everyone was really excited about it,
some insiders started testing it
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and then very late in the game they said
you know what.
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Actually we're not going to put
this in Windows ten.
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This makes more sense for Skype
we'll put it in the Skype preview app
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but sometime later in the year they
yanked it out of Windows 10
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some people were disappointed you
know because they were using it
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but you know I think we can agree that
a messaging feature makes more sense for
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Microsoft's messaging solution than it
does for Windows specifically so
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it's going to be part of Skype. So
in the most recent Windows insider build
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which was released last week I think
Microsoft's added this feature in for
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the first time and now they're calling it
S.M.S. relay actually been calling
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about for some time but it's a slightly
more technical and less interesting name
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and the functionality is supposed to work
the same way in this initial version
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however you need to have the latest fast
ring version of Windows 10 from
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windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or
something like that. And you also need
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to have that same build on Windows 10
mobile it only works on those two systems
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so I have both of these things
but I couldn't get it.
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I'm not seeing it on my phone
I don't know why.
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but the idea again is that you can from
the Skype preview app on Windows 10
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for P.C.'s send and receive text messages
and so if your phone is over the corner
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charging somebody sends you a text message
you get a notification on your P.C.
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click on it you can reply to it right
there. It sends out over your phone
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as you would expect so it's coming.
And it will come as part of Skype, right?
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so we won't have to wait for the next
major version of Windows 10 to get it.
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Which by the way is another one of
the advantages of putting it on Skype.
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-You know what's weird though I think I
messaged you about this that I have an
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Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C.
and I am seeing my text messages
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from my phone show up on my Windows 10
P.C. and I'm not on
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the insider program right!
–Which is really interesting.
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-Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana
though because I have Cortana on both
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and I believe that also gives you some of
that functionality but that then
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I'm like OK So is this in the future
going to be taken out of Cortana?
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-Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of
confusing because this is hum,
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I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm
still updating for the anniversary update
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and one of the things I put off literally
to the very end that I will wrote right
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in the last of all the new content is
phone integration because it's actually a
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little convoluted there are three ways
right now that you can get information
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back and forth from your phone through
Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this
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new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype
preview. One is the thing you're seeing
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which is the Cortana integration but
there's also like a Windows phone
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integration I will get Windows Phone
notifications in Action Center on
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Windows 10that are notifications that
came from Windows 10 in the phone and so
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they could be about anything it will be
like Facebook updates.
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You know different things from different
apps on the phone and those things will
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actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C.
as well. So I'm still trying to kind of..
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where and how all these things happen
and why you know it's interesting I have
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three different phones, so I have and
Android phone like you do and I have the
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Windows Phone and also an iPhone
So the iPhone doesn't really do anything
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but the expectation is that you'll have a
pretty decent level of functionality
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through Android if you have Windows 10
and then obviously if you have
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Windows 10 mobile you would have
the best experience
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because those two things would
be tightly integrated.
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-You know that's something in a
feature I actually would really like
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something in Windows that shows me how
the various services integrate because
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it's always an crapshoot for me about what
notifications I get on what devices like
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you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got
Windows devices I've got Android I think
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Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never
really sure what is syncing and what's not
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-It's like a roulette wheel and I just was
speaking Skype specifically, this morning
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I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're
you know we're texting back and forth
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he writes, I write you know five minutes
goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden
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one of my three phones in this case it
was my iPhone the screen lights up and
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I look over and it's a Skype notification
of something. Brad had written me on Skype
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about two minutes earlier. And so for
some reason that one version of the app
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on that one phone lit up. It was like all
my devices or weight are in the back and
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one of those are like I got it. I got it,
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and it just kind of like I'm having an
active conversation in Skype on Windows.
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You know why? Why would these other
things? You know how it is, if I go to my
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Android phone and I turn them on right
now and I go into Skype. You know thus
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waking it up which is a mistake. It's like
Jason from Friday the 13th or something
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but if I do wake it up briefly it will
flash those one two three conversations
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that are marked unread the conversations
I had earlier with Brad actually this one
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from Twit and the conversations I had
with Mary Jo according to this version of
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the app these conversations are unread.
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-I know, that happens to me too. Yet when
I when I've had my Windows 10
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laptop off for a while I turn on you know
they all the messages filtered through
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but then some show up as unread
and some show up as read.
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-Yep.
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-So I'm not sure what makes
both of those things happen.
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-Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10
notification I just turning off everything
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because I was so tired of
receiving the same notifications 15 times
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-Yep
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-Actually there's something else that I
do love the syncing across accounts
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that actually does work nicely except
for the fact that at home. I've got this
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monster set up with two 4K. monitors
and a bunch of little monitors around the
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periphery and it tries to import those
preferences into my laptop and it doesn't
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matter how many times I tell it not to do
that it. There's always an update in the,
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the switch gets turned back on & suddenly
all the text on my laptop is tiny.
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Because it's adjusting with what it thinks
I want to the desktop, which that's again
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I want some sort of central control panel
that shows all my devices and which
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settings are moving between which devices.
It sounds like that's an absolute
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necessity now with all the different
devices that we use. And with all the
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syncing that Microsoft trying to build
into the products. That's a necessity.
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-Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't
have a big presence slash
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any presence in Mobile and so one of the
concerns that they have that maybe Apple
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doesn't have and Google only has to a
lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the
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cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on
Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S.
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relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS
and Android as
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well and it's a reasonable expectation
that it would but
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you know of course on Android you have
a Microsoft has a
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much easier way of getting into the
system and making
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this more seamless whereas in IOS,
if you think about how
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Cortana works you kind of have to go
in and run the app
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for some things to happen. You know it's
never going to be as. .
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even though it can you know, it can sort
of run in the background a little bit
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you can never be sure that it will always
be there. This is more easily done on
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Android and Windows Phone So if you…
Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head
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has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay
on IOS Android?
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-I don't remember them saying that.
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–It seems like it would have to the right?
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(Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed like it
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would have to
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-What would be the point of S.M.S relay
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to Windows 10 mobile?
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-Right.
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- Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question
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for you. Do we know how many versions of
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messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has
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because you've got Skype. You've got
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Skype for business. You've got Skype for
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broadcast and then you've got the link
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stuff which was actually supposed to take
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over for the Skype stuff but then that
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seems to be flipped. Now that we've got
the Dela
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do you see what's in the strategy going
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forward or we just keep getting fractured
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off into different types of Skype
and do they still have
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that artificial delineation
between consumer and enterprise?
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-They do. They still have the delineation
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there is still Skype consumer and Skype
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for business are not the same product
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even though they're both called Skype and
you're right. Link is still kind of
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hanging around for some on promise the
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stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name
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will totally go away and link will be
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completely superseded by Skype for
business that will happen.
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-Because that was going the other way. I
mean Skype was going to go to go away and
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they were going to keep Link and so now
they've reversed on that.
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- Yes So I think they're being pretty
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consistent on length being supplanted by
Skype for business.
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-OK.
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-I think next week which is Microsoft
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ignite we might hear some new things
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about Skype for business and kind of
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where that's going because every time we
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ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer
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Skype consumer questions but they won't
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talk at all about Skype for business. And
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I think next week's show because it's a
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very I T pro focus show we probably will
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hear some new things about Skype for
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business and hopefully about how it's
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going to be syncing soon with OneDrive
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and OneDrive for business. That's
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something people are really waiting
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anxiously for and last we heard that was
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going to happen in the final calendar
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quarter of this year. So we're almost in
the final calendar quarter.
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Seems like we should get some new
News on that next week.
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- Wait Skype for business will sync with
OneDrive?
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-With OneDrive for business, yes!
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-How does that.. Wait what is it syncing?
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- They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I
saying OneDrive business or
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am I thinking Share Point.
I’m thinking about Share Point.
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-OK, OK that makes sense
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-Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point
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when I'm saying OneDrive for business but
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um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share
Point and OneDrive business being able to
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actually have better sync across those
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two products and they said that was going
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to counter Q four and I think that's what
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we might hear about next week. But yeah
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you know every time we ask about Skype.
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You know we've heard recently that Skype
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is moving to this new kind of universal
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next generation client and when I asked
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Microsoft you know does that also mean
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Skype for businesses is going to be on
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that same universal client.
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They said we're not really talking
about Skype for Business.
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-You're like whoa.
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-Don't get ahead of yourself here.
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- And don't forget the upcoming Skype for
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Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also
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another universal client and universal,
universal.
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surfaced this week called Skype for life.
Speaking of .
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-Oh good I was just hoping we would have
another Skype.
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- Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th.
(laughing)
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got a tip from one of his sources or
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maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was
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working on a product called Skype For
Life and he and a lot of us have first
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kind of thought maybe this was a name for
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the universal Skype client that would
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work across all different platforms that
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would be kind of like what Microsoft has
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described as the universal Windows
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platform equivalent but for the other
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platforms like IOS and Android. But then
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Paul dug around a little and thought it
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through and he says no but that is not
what that it is.
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to Peter about it., Skype, Ironically.
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And I don't doubt that he was told this
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and I don't doubt that the person who
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told him saw this and thought that they
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understood what they were seeing but you
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know I talked to the Skype guys back in
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June or July about the strategy Mary Jo
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just discussed where they're moving to a
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new generation clients they have updated
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their back end infrastructure they
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temporarily have to maintain the old
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P.D.P. infrastructure for certain
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applications or services but that's going
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to be going away. The combination of
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these two back end services explains the
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Skype reliability issues that we've all
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seen over the past you know several
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months I was told. And I thought you
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know, Skype For Life and making yet again
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new, some new client that would somehow
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run across all those platforms didn't
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make any sense to me and if you look at
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that next to their previously stated
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strategy it's clear to me that Skype For
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Life is just a marketing term and what
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they're describing internally I think is
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the culmination of that previous existing
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strategy that the new infrastructures
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switched over to their new clients are
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all available. They all interact and all
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have the new features and it's not that
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it's one client's I mean obviously
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Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and
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Android will have native apps there,
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Linux will have what they have and there
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will be the web version as well. And
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these things will have some baseline of
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functionality that works across all of
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them on this new infrastructure that's
the point of it.
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doubter here. OK I don't think, I think
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the more I think about this the more I
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think you're right that it isn't a new
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totally new Skype client. I think that
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would just be crazy and kind of going
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back to what they just got away from but
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I think Skype For Life is something else
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and the reason I'm thinking that it's a
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marketing slogan but, maybe it's
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something like you know they call Skype
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translator a feature of Skype like that.
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That's how they brand that and Skype for
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teams which is what they're going to be
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doing to compete with Slack. I also think
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they'll call that a feature of Skype. I
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don't think they'll call of a new version
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of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life
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might be something like using Skype to
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improve your life in some way. So maybe
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it's like I don't know I'm just I'm
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totally reaching here but Skype like
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maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health
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platforms somehow connected or you know
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Skype being used for some specific thing
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that's more about health and welfare and
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maybe a very specific almost like a
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vertical I'm just guessing here again but
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I think it's something else.
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-I mean that seems very far reaching. It
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might be simpler that you know it's funny
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we were just kind of joking around and
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slash complaining about how you know
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Skype will ring on various devices and
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whatever because we have various devices
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because we're nerds and so Skype For Life
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could be as simple as what I think of a
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Skype everywhere this this feature you
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know that a normal person with a computer
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and a phone or a tablet and a phone would
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want to get messages everywhere and
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that's the For Life. In other words.
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Whatever your life is whatever your
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habits are whatever devices you choose to
use Skype will be there. You know.
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-That could be
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-I just you know regardless of what it is
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I mean I think it's mostly a marketing
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term. Right. Not so much a product. And
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it's almost just a way to describe
functionality to normal people.
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-I'd be down with the marketing term. I
spoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at
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IFA in Berlin last month and or no this
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month and of course didn't want to talk
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about it but what he was describing was
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that this is Skype UC this is the unified
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communication promised the idea of we
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don't want Skype to be an app. It
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shouldn't be something you start up it
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should be something that is just
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everywhere. They're using Microsoft
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products. You should be able to say
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Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will
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automatically kick out Skype and it
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doesn't even call a Skype it just
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connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean
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that UC promises has been something
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that's been around for ten years maybe
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this is Microsoft finally saying let's do.
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in place for it makes sense right. I mean
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even the things like integrating Skype
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into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the
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web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in
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office 2016 which you know depending on
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your view of things you might find
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incredibly useful or incredibly annoying
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because it certainly on the web, they
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don't do a good job with that but
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I think that these things are all part of
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… how do you describe a bunch of little
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things? It's a.. what's the theme? You
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know universal communications is how we
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would say it in the enterprise and maybe
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Skype For Life is how they want to say it
to people.
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-You know what Padre just gave me a crazy
idea another crazy idea.
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-Oh good
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-What if Skype For Life is a bot?
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-Oh
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-Now they’re intergrading more bots into
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Skype right and there's been all this
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talk about a concierge bot that Bing was
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working on for a while to be kind of like
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your personal assistant for a life. You
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know somebody who you could say hey what
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movies are playing can you get me some
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tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life?
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-But then Skype for life would have to
fight Cortana to the death.
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-I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they...
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I think they're siblings I think they're
friends but yeah
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-Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin
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they kept in the closet until he was a
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teenager so he’s a little stunted.
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We've actually got people in the chat
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room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who
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suggested that Skype For Life is actually
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the name of a new form of judicial
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punishment and then you see the really
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really bad, you only get to use Skype
(Laughing)
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-It sounds like a big punishment.
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-And a guy could be like oh I’ve been
Skyped.
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-Should it just be Skype 10? I mean,
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cause that was the whole idea of Windows
10. It is the last Windows you will ever
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own is this Skype 10 is it like look it
will always be this way.
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-And what you're supposed to do
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everything to ensure it. That’s windows.
God bless
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-The ultimate Skype.
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-Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name
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right. That should have just been Windows
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I don't think we need to go 10 I think if
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anything we should be stripping the
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numbers off of the products that still
have numbers.
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-Maybe they really want it to be
Windows X.
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-Apple's doing that right? Apple's
changing back
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-They've kind of moved to the right
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because they still have version numbers
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obviously you have to have the stuff
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behind the scenes but you know they talk
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about the new version MacOS as Sierra.
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You know and they've been doing that for
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years. I guess but they really they
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emphasize that you know it's a friendly
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name and I think that's a nicer approach
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than some godly book like H.P. product
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names or version or just not version
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numbers because numbers or even using the
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version number the name is just it's just
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it's I think that's just old fashioned
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-Yeah
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-Yeah it's kind of I mean because you
have to…
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-I know especially if its the last right
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last version of something, supposedly
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-It should have just been Windows
ultimate,
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Oh wait, we've already used
that. Never mind!
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-Calling something the last version of
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this product is like the worst way to
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market something ever invented. You know
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this is the last version we're ever going
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to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna
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keep updating it, but this is the last
one.
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–There’ll be some serious updates to it
but no, this is it.
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-So it really is just not smart mart.
(Sigh) I'm going to be…
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I'm going to change my name to Padre 10.
I will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know
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-Actually if you can change it to 10.01.
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-There'll be updates to Padre, but this
is really the final version.
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(Paul) There will always be that
little hidden miss.
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(Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary.
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-Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition.
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It's ten pounds lighter but has all the
features. (laughing)
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All right, we're going to bog down a bit
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too much and it is a fun story, but there
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is one more story that has so much fun it
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has to be dispelled. Paul. There were
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people screaming all over the Internet
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that Microsoft is being the big bad by
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trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is
this true?
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–No! And that's all we need to say about
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that. If I could somehow make a career
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out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I
mean I just… you get into these
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conversations of people on Twitter who
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see these stories and they.. I think it's
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the way conspiracy theories work right.
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It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs
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and so you instantly throw common sense
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to the wind and say oh course their doing
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this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys
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it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe
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upgrade the way we think about Microsoft
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and their relationship with Linux in
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particular. The topic and if you don't
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know what it is I guess we should
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probably step back a second and say that
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somebody had discovered that a Lenovo
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P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so
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it's a signature P.C. and thus is running
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something called Windows 10 signature
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edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has
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the magic capability of preventing Linux
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from ever being installed in that
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computer. That's not a capability of an
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operating system that’s something that
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would have to be built into the firmware
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I guess of the computer I mean I
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obviously there's always going to be some
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way to brute stall anything on there but
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you know, read it happens. There’s one of
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the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm
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and collected article but anyway I
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appreciated that. But here's the thing,
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signature P.C. is as I describe it.
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I think the smallest province of the
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windows empire that exists in Microsoft.
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They have no power at all the very notion
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that they could require a P.C. maker to
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do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the
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world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft
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is not the business of blocking Linux.
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They never really were. But it's one of
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those things like a lot of people kind of
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like want to believe is the case. Some
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guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a
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support forum somewhere and said Yeah.
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This might this is part of our agreement
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with Microsoft. That's not true. By the
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way because Lenovo came out with a
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statement and said no that's not what's
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happening. It's one of those things like
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you don't actually have to know the
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answer to know the answer. It's a little
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bit like the Skype For Life thing like if
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you think it through. It's like this is
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not what's happening and so I ... I'm not
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the one that got the statement so I think
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it's Tech Republic. They've got the
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statement but I did a write up about it
and uh debating it…
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-This is just secure boot on the UEFI
right?. I mean that's all it is.
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-It's not exactly but it's that exact
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kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one
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of, it's probably just one Lenovo
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computer actually but there is a Lenovo
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computer that has a very strange raid
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S.S.D. configuration and as people are
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discovering if they try to clean install
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Windows 10 on that computer it won't work
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either. It's. It's a very unique
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configuration. It's not part of a secret
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cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users
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out of their new computer but you know I
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think I said this to Mary Jo privately or
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maybe Brad we were I was chatting with
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somebody earlier today and so consider
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the market out there for people who are
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going to buy a Windows based computer and
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install Linux on it right and there is
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some number it's a small number but the
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some group of people do that. And now
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let's consider the subset of those people
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who are going to drive to a Microsoft
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store pick it lovingly pick out their…
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you know favorite signature P.C.
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configuration from the store, buy it from
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Microsoft. You know their favorite
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company. And then put Linux on it. I mean
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like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm
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not saying it's not going to happen but
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c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's.
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Path to world domination we're going to
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do it through the signature pieces that
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nobody even knows exists at the stores
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and you can't even find there where you
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live. It's just the whole thing is loaded
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it's just typical. Watching this cascade
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across the Internet today. It's just as
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depressing. That's just so typical. You
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know it destroys your faith in humanity
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or reconfirms my belief that we're all
idiots. I mean it's just it's sad.
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-And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I
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can't remember what they call it it's
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like software services but then on boot
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up you actually get the option of what
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packages you want to install. So you
could make it a signature…
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-You mean..?
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-All the crapware.
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-That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the
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only P.C. makers starting to do that kind
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of a thing and I really like this
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approach it's because it's something P.C.
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makers are not familiar with called
customer centricity.
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You know H.P.’s newer machines will do
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the same thing and in the past you get a
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bunch of utilities and things running in
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the tray and whatever was. Now you have
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to seek out those applications and at the
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time that you run it. It says hey we have
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this tray thing we can put it and you
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want to use it and if you say no that's
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in the end of it you know and that's the
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way things should be you know don't you
think. Yeah so.
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-Well it sure beats me having to spend the
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first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life
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uninstalling everything that came
pre-installed.
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-Yes right. Actually we will never be
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deemed intelligent beings by future
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civilizations because of things like this.
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It's like when you buy an electronic
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device and spend the first thirty minutes
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updating the software or when you buy a
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smartphone and you install apps and you
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spend the next seven days removing or
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changing notifications or like what you
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just said you buy a new P.C. and the
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first thing you do is take things away
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from it. It's like this is so counter
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intuitive and counterproductive and
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yet we just sort of sort of accept that
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this is the way it is you know.
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-That's what makes me so sad that
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signature seems to be kind of not an
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emphasis anymore because I
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remember when I got my Acer S7 it
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came to me as a signature device and I
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didn't even know it was going to and it
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was such a different experience.
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-Oh yes by the way. So let's see four
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years ago this month. Microsoft opened
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their store in Boston and I bought the
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very first computer that was sold at that
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store which is a fifteen inch
Samsung Ultra Book.
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It was one of the last Windows 7 computers
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they sold right because Windows 8
came out.
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Thirty or forty five days later
and to this day
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when I restore that thing and it goes back
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to that clean Windows 7 signature edition
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thing with beautiful wallpaper and you
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know no crap anywhere it's still like this
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calming almost transcendental moment like
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you open the thing up And you’re like nice!
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You know and that's not the reaction
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typically happen with P.C. right?
It's too bad
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-I mean seriously there is something about
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having to do a hard restore where you to
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go back to the factory disks and you know
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yeah when any time you do that there's
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going to be hours and hours if not days of
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updates it's going to have to go through
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round and round and round but that's not
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the infuriating part for me because that I
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can just leave off in the corner.
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The infuriating part is I know I'm already
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going to have an anti-virus it's going to
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take five restarts to fully get rid of
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because it just sticks in there and you
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have to do a little bit of registry
editing
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to get rid of the stuff that doesn't
uninstall at all.
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-I know we've talked about this on the pod
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cast whatever. You know some months ago
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but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary
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update there's a new tool
it's not actually
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included in the O. S. but it's linked to
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from the O. S. And so I think people are
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probably familiar with the reset your P.C.
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functionality of that they viewed
in Windows 8
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also available in Windows 10. Thing is if
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you use that on a P.C. that came from a
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P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s.
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The P.C. maker can edit that image that's
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installed so the crap all comes back right
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when you reset the P.C. you get the crap.
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But there's a separate tool called refresh
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Windows it's linked to from the same place
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in the settings up in Windows 10 with the
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anniversary update. You download the tool
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it downloads Windows 10
it's a clean version
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of Windows 10 and then you can install
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that and then so instead of getting the
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crapware laden version you might get from
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say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo
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whatever you get Microsoft's clean image
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right. And so the pro there is you don't
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get the stuff you're talking about
like the Anti-Virus
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whatever stupid utilities people
put on there.
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The minus side is you may not get the
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driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably
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Dell have decent utilities for keeping
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that particular machine up to date with
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drivers for example you don't
get that thing.
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And so you might have to do a little bit
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of extra work if you want some of that
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stuff or if you need it you know if you
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look in device manager and some of your
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stuff hasn't been recognized you know you
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might find yourself going to the HP
or Dell or Lenovo or whatever you get
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Microsoft's clean image right. And so the
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pro there is you don't get the stuff
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you're talking about like the Anti-Virus
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whatever stupid utilities people
put on there.
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The minus side is you may not get the
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driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably
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Dell have decent utilities for keeping
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that particular machine up to date with
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drivers for example you don't
get that thing.
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And so you might have to do a little bit
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of extra work if you want some of that
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stuff or if you need it you know if you
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look in device manager and some of your
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stuff hasn't been recognized you know you
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might find yourself going to the H.P. or
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Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and
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downloading the drivers but at least you
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have that option now.
And so I think that's
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lot closer to a signature P.C.
type experience
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except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR
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exact computer which was the
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point of signature.
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-If anyone wants an almost
Signature Series
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just buy the retail version of the
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operating system and that's what you get
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and yeah it sounds stupid but it really
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there is something that is so nice about
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starting the P.C. and realizing the only
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thing on here is the bare O. S. everything
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that gets added on is my choice.
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-And that's by the way another thing I
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think we all do with these devices doesn't
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matter what you're talking about a phone,
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tablet, computer. That first day you
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install the things you know you need right
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Just the absolute necessity.
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-Yeah for example I need to
install chrome.
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-Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only
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reason it exist. Over time as you use the
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device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet
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whatever you realize oh wait I need this
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thing too and it spirals right so over
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time you fill the thing up and you. You
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know there's a bunch of junk on there but
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those first couple days are wonderful.
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It's like the. You know the out of box
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thing is kind of like it should be. I mean
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it's not always with the P.C. If you get
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the wrong kind but you know
that's what it is.
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And we kind of try to recapture that magic
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every once in a while.
Let's reset it back a little.
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-But we do have to talk about the layoffs
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at some point because it is a big story
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and it's not it's not it's not
totally unexpected right?
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–Right! -We saw this.
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-Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of
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people forgot but in July Microsoft
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announced during S.E.C. filing
that they're
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going to be laying off. Almost 3,000
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more people this fiscal year which is
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their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there
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was a report by the Financial Times that
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Microsoft was closing Skype London and I
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saw some people report this says and
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laying off 400 people but actually the
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number that Microsoft is laying off is
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closer to 230, I think?! I called them and
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asked them how many people is it and they
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said it's about 230 and that's a
combination
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of people who work for both
Skype and yammer in London.
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Some people be moved to the Paddington
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office some are just going to be let go.
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They also last week. Paul and I kinda were
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catching bits and pieces of this through
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Facebook because we saw different people
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we knew posting to Facebook that they had
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been cut but they cut another 300 people
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on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound
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Redmond area and a few people from other
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geographies around the world. These 500+
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layoffs that happened last week are part
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of that 2850 that they announced in July.
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This isn't a new group of people who
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didn't you know who Microsoft said and
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we’re adding another 500. These are people
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all different divisions not
all concentrated
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in one division. Except for the Skype and
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yammer part that are being let go across
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the company. Microsoft's definitely
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continuing to tighten, you know belt
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tight, doing belt tightening across the
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company getting rid of people before the
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layoffs were largely Windows phone related
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and Windows Mobile these new ones are not
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because they pretty much laid off all of
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those people originally it was a bunch of
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the Microsoft sales people because they
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had a sales reorg this year when Kevin
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Turner left. Now we're getting into the
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product areas some people in Windows,
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some in , people across different parts of
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the company. So if you hear
about layoffs that
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happened recently that is what happened.
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-Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are
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heads down right now. Not necessarily
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because they're fearing this round but
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because they realize you know what
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Microsoft is actually, they're not doing
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the cutthroat competition anymore but they
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are looking to the various departments and
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finding out “Do you have any personnel
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that have not really contributed anything
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in the last five years?”
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-I think the H.R. term for these
people is dead wood?!
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-Yeah and it's always difficult to talk
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about someone like that but if you've been
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at a company for twenty years. And you
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haven't really been challenged or maybe
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you've become really really cynical it
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might be time to move on. I've seen that.
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-In over the past year or two as we talk
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about layoffs obviously there's the human
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side to it. It's always very tragic people
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to lose their jobs but looking at the
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company from sort of a Microsoft watching
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perspective I think Mary Jo would agree
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this is a very big and in some ways still
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bloated company with lots of levels of
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hierarchy and management so forth and…
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You know the people I know personally for
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Microsoft are to one very smart people
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they do want to change the world but I
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think the system they're in might be a
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little too big and complex. You know for
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things to happen so it's possible that the
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Dell is making these changes like many of
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the changes is made to speed response time
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make sure they're focusing on the right
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things and all that kind of stuff so.
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-SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all
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their downsizing their way to success and
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I know it's very easy to see it that way
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but there's another view and if you take a
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step back. You can actually see it. I know
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Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is
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because you cover Microsoft so deeply but
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especially during the Bomber years. There
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were little fiefdoms that developed in
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Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about
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how many employees were under your
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thumb and so you had these…
(Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it?
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You had these little princes who are
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accumulating kingdoms not really caring
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about the productivity they were getting
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out of people they were just cared about
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how many people they were in charge
of and ..
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-There's actually another side to this
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with power comes the ability to influence
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direction and I always think back to this
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one example. I'm not saying that this
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product would have been successful but at
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the time when Steven Sinofsky was running
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the Office group there was a project that
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came up from I don't remember what group
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it was but it was in Office but it was basically
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an attempt to put Office in the Cloud at
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the time they didn’t it called the cloud
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but it's called Net docs and he killed it
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because it competed with Office right and
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the theory here is that Microsoft might
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have come out with something that was
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Google Docs and all that stuff
years earlier.
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If they just hadn't been so or
if the people
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in power hadn't been so concerned about
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protecting their products. You know that
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you couldn't compete with something like
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Windows or Office if you did that you were
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out you had to support that right. Now,
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it's possible and probable that Net Docs
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was a joke that it was based on Active-X.
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that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know
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but you know but that's the type of thing
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that happens in that kind of organization.
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-Plus you know we've talked about this a
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lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these.
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Days is very different from the
old Microsoft you know
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Windows was the main cash cow of
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Microsoft for years now everything has to
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be about the Cloud for them and the
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shareholders want that, The Wall Street
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analysts want that. So if you're working
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in a group that's Windows related. You
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know they're definitely kind of putting
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the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're
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doing something that's more Cloud focus
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Enterprise focused. Something that's about
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collaboration teamwork that kind of gives
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you an edge and I think it's
also just about
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job kind of… not restructuring but more
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just like changing of the emphasis set at
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about what matters. And what's going to
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make the money for Microsoft right.
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So some of that's a play too.
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-You know I think we talked about this on
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Windows weekly. The notion you know the
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new newer surface devices say Microsoft on
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the right. And this one Microsoft notion
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that we're moving forward as one company
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not as the you know the guns pointed at
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each other all the little fiefdoms that we
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were just talking about you know it's a
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new way for Microsoft. You know a new
way of doing things
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-Right and that's why I actually still I'm
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very bullish on Microsoft I love what
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Nadella has done that idea of taking down
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the ramparts and making the little princes
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actually work with one another. Yeah it
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doesn't work any other way. Although…
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(Paul) Change is hard though because you
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know externally. I agree with you right.
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I think this stuff is necessary.
It's exciting for Microsoft as
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a company that in many ways to become so
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calcified you know for to see
them reacting
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to things quickly and moving quickly as it
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it's very exciting in hitting that the
right
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products and things but I know from
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personal experience with different people
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that this change is very hard for some of
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the people there's. And not just the ones
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who've been let go now. But just people
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who see projects just disappearing.
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-But then there's some other people who
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the opposites true like they've been
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champing at the bit for ever to like work
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with teams across teams and they're like
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oh finally they're letting us talk to each
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other before and that wasn't really
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encouraged or even allowed right.
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So those people are really happy.
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Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky
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but what the heck. You know when they did
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Windows 8 right. They went to the Windows
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Phone team and said show us the Metro
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stuff and they say here you go and for the
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Windows Phone perspectives thought great!
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We're going to collaborate with these guys
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we're going to come out with this cohesive
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system. Nope they never talked again you
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know the Windows Phone guys are always
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the B. team to the Windows guys now in
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Windows 10 with him gone and you know
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different people in place that is what's
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happening but it happens.
Three to five years too late.
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This is stuff that should have happened
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on day one. These thing should have
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evolved together. You know you could have
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made the case back in I guess we're
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talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that
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Windows Phone had been in market at
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mature to some point. If you're going to
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go to market with an R. T. style
tablet device.
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It should have been Windows Phone O.S.
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it was already there. It had to Apps. It
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was all there but no they started over
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from scratch. They created another Windows
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system that ran out arm. Instead of you
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know basing it on the thing they really
had very strange.
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-About ten years ago I had a contact in
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the Xbox division and a contact in the
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Windows division and we had a weird
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exchange of the course of six weeks where
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basically they were using me as an
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intermediary to pass messages. I was like
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you work literally 400 yards away
from each other
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What's going on here?
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-Oh by the way if they're still there and
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on same teams they all work for the same
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guy I know -Exactly, exactly.
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-That's one organization now.
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-That's why they were emailing through me.
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They're like we can't be seen
to be emailing
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one another. Someone will see it and get
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really upset I was thinking that is so
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dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of
triangulation ever.
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-Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember
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when he was the chief scientist
or whatever
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to the chief software architect. You know
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you know he allowed teams to compete on
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you know file sync technologies and things
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like that and instead of determining you
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know that you're the best ideas from each
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group let's make one thing you know you
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allow this internal competition to occur
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and what happens on the outside is you see
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that they have three different file sync
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solutions at the time or four and which
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one do I take a bet on and why are there
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so many and doesn't the show a lack of
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leadership. You know and I'm sure there
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are management strategies or theories that
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this is a good way to do things but we
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know from experience with this particular
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subject that you know that didn't go very
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well. And eventually it all became
OneDrive
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you know but for several years there were
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many, many different solutions.
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-There were. I remember when all those
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think engines were out there and it was
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like it was a time I should think you like
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which one are they talking about right now
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-I'm not going to remember all of them.
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-No there are a lot
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-I mean now there is Windows Live Sync,
and uhh..
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-There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was
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doing a whole different sync thing.
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-You know it's like a mosh pits theory of
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management like let them fight it out
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-I prefer the days of active sync where
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there was active sync and then active sync
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for mobile and active scene for enterprise
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active sync for exchange because
that really
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made it. You know very easy to understand.
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-What do you call it when you reuse an
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acronym? What is that called? Uh, You
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double it up or whatever it's like they
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did that with active sync was which is
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ever used. You know as a term.
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-Someone just thought it sounded like a
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really cool name so they wanted to use it
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on as many products as possible and it
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took me a while to realize that
two products
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that were called Active Sync actually
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had… it was no sharing of the code
base between them
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-Those guys probably hated each other.