1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,280 It's time for Windows weekly with 2 00:00:02,280 --> 00:00:04,460 Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley. 3 00:00:04,460 --> 00:00:06,660 Microsoft wants you for life, 4 00:00:06,660 --> 00:00:08,690 and their ready to kill the nag screen. 5 00:00:08,690 --> 00:00:10,750 Paul is excited for the new Xbox and 6 00:00:10,750 --> 00:00:12,720 Mary-Jo talks about Microsoft's 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,080 bad cloud day. Window's Weekly is next. 8 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,660 (Pulse wave sounds) 9 00:00:25,557 --> 00:00:28,077 This is Twit 10 00:00:28,347 --> 00:00:30,977 Bandwidth for Windows Weekly is provided 11 00:00:30,997 --> 00:00:35,997 by CacheFly at cachefly.com 12 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:43,310 This is Window's Weekly with Paul Thurrott 13 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:46,050 and Mary-Jo Foley. 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Of course Paul Thurrott 37 00:01:47,449 --> 00:01:49,469 is the guru behind Thurrott.com the 38 00:01:49,499 --> 00:01:51,619 previewer of news, reviews and analyzes 39 00:01:51,639 --> 00:01:53,709 for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the 40 00:01:53,709 --> 00:01:55,899 mastermind behind ZDnet All About 41 00:01:55,899 --> 00:01:58,129 Microsoft blog. Together their here to 42 00:01:58,129 --> 00:02:00,639 bring a light to the deep cave of 43 00:02:00,639 --> 00:02:03,779 Microsoft news, like a over charged light 44 00:02:03,789 --> 00:02:05,919 bulb battery exploding in the darkness. 45 00:02:05,919 --> 00:02:07,599 Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya. 46 00:02:07,619 --> 00:02:11,392 (Mary-Jo) thanks for having (Paul) It's like your introducing Bond villains there. 47 00:02:11,392 --> 00:02:12,922 (Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow! 48 00:02:12,962 --> 00:02:14,372 The masterminds. 49 00:02:14,372 --> 00:02:16,332 (Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley. 50 00:02:16,332 --> 00:02:18,262 (Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat? 51 00:02:18,262 --> 00:02:20,142 and can you do this with your fingers? 52 00:02:20,825 --> 00:02:23,045 - I think I need that on a business card. 53 00:02:23,045 --> 00:02:25,125 If I still used business cards I would. 54 00:02:25,125 --> 00:02:27,485 That is one of those strange things. 55 00:02:27,509 --> 00:02:29,839 At these conventions that we go to these shows 56 00:02:29,839 --> 00:02:31,909 we all do the business card thing and 57 00:02:31,909 --> 00:02:33,819 I've even got down the whole Asian thing 58 00:02:33,819 --> 00:02:36,499 of handing like this and a bit of a bow. 59 00:02:36,499 --> 00:02:40,179 But, um, those collect dust afterwards, 60 00:02:40,179 --> 00:02:42,479 I almost never use them. 61 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,549 - No, No! I don't even have one. 62 00:02:45,549 --> 00:02:47,599 - I was going to say I think I have some, 63 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:49,399 but I've never brought them anywhere. 64 00:02:49,399 --> 00:02:51,989 -Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you? 65 00:02:51,989 --> 00:02:54,599 It's kind of a thing, it's how you say hello, right? 66 00:02:55,552 --> 00:02:57,692 -Well now people just say, "where can 67 00:02:57,692 --> 00:02:59,502 I find you?" and I just day "All About 68 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:00,532 Microsoft" 69 00:03:00,612 --> 00:03:02,422 - Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones 70 00:03:02,422 --> 00:03:04,362 together and say "Power twins activate." 71 00:03:04,362 --> 00:03:05,502 (Mary-Jo laughs) 72 00:03:05,502 --> 00:03:07,482 - No, I don't know every once in a while 73 00:03:07,482 --> 00:03:09,342 someone will hand me a business cards 74 00:03:09,342 --> 00:03:11,462 and I have a momentary bit of confusion, 75 00:03:11,462 --> 00:03:13,412 like I don't have one of these things, 76 00:03:13,412 --> 00:03:15,542 or I don't have it with me. 77 00:03:15,542 --> 00:03:17,652 You know I feel, it's like a weird moment. 78 00:03:17,652 --> 00:03:19,732 I feel like I need to give them something 79 00:03:19,732 --> 00:03:21,602 in return, it's like someone comes over 80 00:03:21,602 --> 00:03:24,102 with a gift and you don't have anything to give them. 81 00:03:24,102 --> 00:03:26,304 -Yeah, that's what it is. I know I'm handing 82 00:03:26,304 --> 00:03:28,254 out cards like they are candy, but it's 83 00:03:28,254 --> 00:03:30,334 just because I want to give you something. 84 00:03:30,334 --> 00:03:32,394 It's like thank you very much for your time, 85 00:03:32,394 --> 00:03:34,384 uh, here's something, and stop talking 86 00:03:34,384 --> 00:03:35,534 to me now. 87 00:03:35,534 --> 00:03:36,874 (laughing) yes, right! 88 00:03:36,874 --> 00:03:38,974 (Paul) I've met the social obligation 89 00:03:38,974 --> 00:03:42,014 (Father Ballencer) And if you actually want to see 90 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:44,234 where this is gonna be put up you can contact 91 00:03:44,234 --> 00:03:46,324 ma at this other wise I'm just gonna assume 92 00:03:46,324 --> 00:03:48,694 that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep (laughter) 93 00:03:50,542 --> 00:03:52,722 (Paul) I needed a resume for something, 94 00:03:52,722 --> 00:03:54,732 you know, like a year ago or more, I. . . 95 00:03:57,194 --> 00:03:59,394 Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...? 96 00:03:59,394 --> 00:04:01,404 (laughing) I don't keep track of my 97 00:04:01,404 --> 00:04:03,604 accomplishments, I'm not even sure what 98 00:04:03,604 --> 00:04:05,094 I would do with that. 99 00:04:05,094 --> 00:04:07,024 (Father Ballencer) Our Field producer, 100 00:04:07,024 --> 00:04:08,804 Colene Goldstein, she's actually 101 00:04:08,804 --> 00:04:11,504 really good LinkedIn. Before she hands over 102 00:04:11,504 --> 00:04:14,194 her card, she'll just say can I find you on 103 00:04:14,194 --> 00:04:16,334 LinkedIn and she's just building up this huge 104 00:04:16,334 --> 00:04:18,644 network of all these people that she's connected 105 00:04:18,644 --> 00:04:20,694 to and she says that's far more efficient 106 00:04:20,694 --> 00:04:24,074 than trying to take a card and then remember 107 00:04:24,074 --> 00:04:26,014 where it came from and who they 108 00:04:26,014 --> 00:04:27,484 represented six weeks ago. 109 00:04:27,484 --> 00:04:29,434 Because remember a lot of the people you 110 00:04:29,434 --> 00:04:31,344 meet don't actually work for that company 111 00:04:31,344 --> 00:04:33,224 they work for a PR company that represents 112 00:04:33,224 --> 00:04:35,154 the company that you are talking to. (Paul) Right. 113 00:04:35,224 --> 00:04:37,104 and you won't remember who that is unless 114 00:04:37,234 --> 00:04:38,944 you actually write it on the back of that card 115 00:04:38,944 --> 00:04:40,734 and even then sometimes you don't remember 116 00:04:40,734 --> 00:04:42,524 - I have to look at the lower third to remember 117 00:04:42,524 --> 00:04:44,804 Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm 118 00:04:44,804 --> 00:04:46,744 really not good at that kind of thing. 119 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:48,304 (Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing. 120 00:04:48,304 --> 00:04:50,714 (Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here 121 00:04:50,714 --> 00:04:52,304 If I don't see that? 122 00:04:52,304 --> 00:04:55,894 (Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does that say? 123 00:04:55,894 --> 00:05:00,314 (laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not do that. 124 00:05:00,314 --> 00:05:03,384 I'll right let's get away from social convention 125 00:05:03,384 --> 00:05:06,934 cuz we've got some pretty spectacular windows news 126 00:05:06,934 --> 00:05:09,434 who's got this first one, because eventually 127 00:05:09,434 --> 00:05:12,909 Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right we're not 128 00:05:12,909 --> 00:05:14,728 offering the free version anymore, maybe we 129 00:05:14,728 --> 00:05:16,308 should kill that nag screen" 130 00:05:16,308 --> 00:05:19,518 Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit. Um, 131 00:05:19,518 --> 00:05:23,518 Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a 132 00:05:23,518 --> 00:05:27,518 KB article that said "Hey we're finally going to 133 00:05:27,518 --> 00:05:31,258 push through Windows update, an update 134 00:05:31,258 --> 00:05:33,928 that takes away the Windows, get Windows 10 app. 135 00:05:34,938 --> 00:05:38,608 So if you remember July 29th was the actual day 136 00:05:38,608 --> 00:05:42,008 the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended. 137 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:44,248 And at that time they said it might take us 138 00:05:44,248 --> 00:05:46,298 a little while to faze this out because we've 139 00:05:46,298 --> 00:05:48,928 so thoroughly inundated everyone with this app 140 00:05:48,928 --> 00:05:52,628 and the promotion. So actually the real 141 00:05:52,628 --> 00:05:56,688 day when this ended at least when the app ended 142 00:05:56,688 --> 00:06:00,018 was yesterday. And it's starting to roll 143 00:06:00,029 --> 00:06:02,609 through the Windows update. It replaces 144 00:06:02,609 --> 00:06:05,109 the get Windows 10 app and it goes away. 145 00:06:05,109 --> 00:06:08,359 But the weird complication not complication 146 00:06:08,359 --> 00:06:11,229 but the weird kind of coincidence is 147 00:06:11,229 --> 00:06:13,899 you can actually still get Windows 10 as free upgrade 148 00:06:13,899 --> 00:06:17,899 You just have to use your existing Windows 7 149 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:21,899 or 8.1 product key and you can still unlock the free 150 00:06:21,899 --> 00:06:25,089 upgrade, which is something Microsoft is not 151 00:06:25,089 --> 00:06:28,489 actively advertising, but Paul has been verifying it daily. 152 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:29,779 (Paul) well weekly 153 00:06:29,779 --> 00:06:31,639 (Mary-Jo) I've been asking him is it still up 154 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,239 (Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told that if you do 155 00:06:34,239 --> 00:06:37,169 the get Windows 10 thing and then you roll it 156 00:06:37,169 --> 00:06:40,269 back you're always set you can always re-download it 157 00:06:40,269 --> 00:06:42,359 (Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for new installs. 158 00:06:42,359 --> 00:06:44,159 In other words you have never done this before 159 00:06:44,159 --> 00:06:46,939 you have a key you can do a clean Windows 10 160 00:06:46,939 --> 00:06:48,959 right now and it would still work. 161 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,189 (Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how 162 00:06:51,189 --> 00:06:52,519 it's suppose to work. 163 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:54,259 (Mary-jo) Yep (Paul) I know, and by the way 164 00:06:54,259 --> 00:06:56,639 one day it won't, I mean maybe this weekend 165 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,629 or the weekend after that, someday, I'm gonna 166 00:06:58,629 --> 00:07:00,479 wake up, I'm gonna test it and it's not gonna work 167 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:02,359 you know it's just.. It's going to happen eventually. 168 00:07:02,359 --> 00:07:05,019 But, um, I wrote an article about this 169 00:07:05,019 --> 00:07:07,659 not working probably a month ago in anticipation 170 00:07:07,659 --> 00:07:09,879 of it not working and it's just kept working 171 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:12,139 the things been sitting here at my desktop since 172 00:07:12,139 --> 00:07:14,119 August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and 173 00:07:14,119 --> 00:07:16,079 do an update everyday just to make sure it still goes? 174 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:17,949 (Paul) not everyday and least once a week. 175 00:07:17,949 --> 00:07:19,089 - Now does this 176 00:07:19,089 --> 00:07:20,989 (Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you 177 00:07:20,989 --> 00:07:22,899 still do it? And he's like, Yep you can! 178 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:27,929 -So does this now increase the value of the 179 00:07:27,929 --> 00:07:29,909 Windows 10 upgrade, because now you can't get 180 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:32,169 it except maybe if you know this super secret, 181 00:07:32,169 --> 00:07:33,789 now do people actually want it? 182 00:07:33,789 --> 00:07:37,199 (Paul) I.. No.. I suppose.. I think the issue 183 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:39,699 is.. Well if you wanted to save some money 184 00:07:39,699 --> 00:07:42,939 I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1 185 00:07:42,939 --> 00:07:45,979 product key and you know, well you 186 00:07:45,979 --> 00:07:47,909 wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1 187 00:07:47,909 --> 00:07:50,949 I should say, it's possibly you can buy a copy of it 188 00:07:50,949 --> 00:07:53,109 somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it 189 00:07:53,109 --> 00:07:55,649 anymore and than you could upgrade now for less money 190 00:07:55,649 --> 00:07:58,199 than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just 191 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,389 had keys for some reason, maybe a company that has 192 00:08:01,389 --> 00:08:04,269 keys allotted or you bought the package version 193 00:08:04,269 --> 00:08:06,699 at some point, maybe you bought the Windows 7 194 00:08:06,699 --> 00:08:08,879 family pack back in the day and you only used 195 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:10,889 two of the three keys and you've got an extra 196 00:08:10,889 --> 00:08:12,869 one sitting around for what ever reason. 197 00:08:12,946 --> 00:08:16,946 If you have a key, it will work. MSDN keys work 198 00:08:17,215 --> 00:08:20,285 got them from TechNet that will work. 199 00:08:20,285 --> 00:08:26,185 um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see. 200 00:08:26,342 --> 00:08:29,462 -Microsoft won't say when they think 201 00:08:29,462 --> 00:08:31,422 it will no longer work in fact they aren't 202 00:08:31,526 --> 00:08:34,256 really publicly saying that it still works 203 00:08:34,256 --> 00:08:36,256 if you ask them, they just don't answer 204 00:08:36,256 --> 00:08:37,936 when you ask about this. 205 00:08:37,936 --> 00:08:41,426 And I assume it's the same thing that they said 206 00:08:41,426 --> 00:08:43,046 about the get Window 10 app 207 00:08:43,046 --> 00:08:44,816 that it might take some time for them 208 00:08:44,816 --> 00:08:47,926 to shut it off. But the other theory is they 209 00:08:47,926 --> 00:08:50,246 are just leaving it open for those laggers 210 00:08:50,246 --> 00:08:53,346 who didn't get around to updating by July 29th 211 00:08:53,346 --> 00:08:55,736 and they can say to them "You know what, psst 212 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:57,256 by the way." 213 00:08:57,256 --> 00:08:59,396 - It doesn't hurt anybody, I think that's the 214 00:08:59,396 --> 00:09:01,796 point that if they are people out there in the world 215 00:09:01,796 --> 00:09:04,616 with Windows 7 install that they've never done 216 00:09:04,616 --> 00:09:07,076 Microsoft would much rather see them be on 217 00:09:07,076 --> 00:09:09,266 Windows 10, if they're going to do a new Windows 218 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:11,176 install. Why wouldn't they want that. 219 00:09:11,176 --> 00:09:14,376 - I can also see this heading off a lot of 220 00:09:14,376 --> 00:09:16,886 complaints from people who said "oh man 221 00:09:16,886 --> 00:09:18,996 I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot and I 222 00:09:18,996 --> 00:09:20,906 did it in August and it didn't work anymore" 223 00:09:20,906 --> 00:09:21,906 No that's not actually a valid excuse. 224 00:09:21,906 --> 00:09:24,241 -Well that argument would work on Aug 20. 225 00:09:24,241 --> 00:09:29,851 You know September 21st, October 21st, 226 00:09:29,851 --> 00:09:32,091 It's starting to get to the point where 227 00:09:32,091 --> 00:09:35,521 you can't pretend you've been 228 00:09:35,521 --> 00:09:37,991 procrastinating and than just forgot I mean, 229 00:09:37,991 --> 00:09:40,521 You know at some point it's just. . . 230 00:09:40,521 --> 00:09:42,411 Their just leaving it open, its fine. 231 00:09:42,411 --> 00:09:44,381 I have no problem with this. 232 00:09:44,381 --> 00:09:47,241 - This is actually a huge opportunity for us 233 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:49,371 because I know Alex has been trying to 234 00:09:49,371 --> 00:09:51,191 update the Tri caster to Windows 10 235 00:09:51,201 --> 00:09:53,191 (Person in background) Actually Padre, Let me correct you 236 00:09:53,191 --> 00:09:55,181 you shouldn't run Windows update on the 237 00:09:55,181 --> 00:09:56,961 Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say you should 238 00:09:56,961 --> 00:09:58,591 So I really hope that nothing. . . 239 00:09:58,591 --> 00:10:00,731 Oh Crap! (Laughing) 240 00:10:00,731 --> 00:10:04,409 - This is what happens, You get a nag screen 241 00:10:04,409 --> 00:10:06,539 in the middle of Windows weekly 242 00:10:06,543 --> 00:10:08,853 that's oddly blocking me out entirely, 243 00:10:08,865 --> 00:10:10,545 that's different (Mary-Jo) It is 244 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:14,980 You know we're going to have to live with this 245 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:17,340 for the next 20 -30 minutes because 246 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:20,100 unfortunately, click the initiated and it'll 247 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:22,450 take that much time to install and 248 00:10:22,450 --> 00:10:24,480 uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see us though 249 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,310 we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom 250 00:10:27,310 --> 00:10:31,170 on us, but the big picture you can see us. 251 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:33,460 (Paul) How do I know that this graphic hasn't 252 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:36,840 been used more gleefully on Macbreak weekly 253 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,180 and whatever morning show I'm sure you do? 254 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:41,290 (Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google, 255 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:43,060 I think this is actually the new title card 256 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:45,550 for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will 257 00:10:45,550 --> 00:10:47,230 never reserve your copy. 258 00:10:47,230 --> 00:10:50,090 - Let me just try... - Ops there you see 259 00:10:51,612 --> 00:10:55,282 Do either of you still have Windows 7, 8 & 10 260 00:10:55,282 --> 00:10:57,842 Machines in your environment? 261 00:10:57,842 --> 00:10:59,552 (Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7, 262 00:10:59,552 --> 00:11:02,402 (Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all? 263 00:11:02,402 --> 00:11:04,932 (Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8 264 00:11:04,990 --> 00:11:10,730 (Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1 and 10 265 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:12,590 (Mary-Jo) You have all of them. 266 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:14,580 (Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10 267 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:16,580 does still kill some of my USB devices 268 00:11:16,580 --> 00:11:18,640 so my production machines have to stay 8 269 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,800 and I have one laptop and that just works 270 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:21,630 better at 7. 271 00:11:23,533 --> 00:11:26,953 (Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still 272 00:11:26,967 --> 00:11:29,027 use because it's just an older machine, 273 00:11:29,027 --> 00:11:31,079 the Dell that I've had for awhile I just left 274 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:33,329 it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to 275 00:11:33,329 --> 00:11:35,579 replace the machine Ill just get 276 00:11:35,579 --> 00:11:37,343 Windows 10 machine. 277 00:11:37,343 --> 00:11:39,623 (Paul) But what about all those gotta have it 278 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,130 apps you can't run? 279 00:11:41,942 --> 00:11:42,592 -Um?! 280 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:51,370 (Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question, 281 00:11:51,370 --> 00:11:53,890 this really did hurt Microsoft's reputation, 282 00:11:53,890 --> 00:11:56,740 right? I mean Yes, That number of how 283 00:11:56,740 --> 00:11:58,960 many deployments they have of Windows 10 284 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,600 is forever going to be asterisk. 285 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,480 People said "Well how many of those were 286 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,560 accidental upgrades or how many of those 287 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,520 were installs and then rollbacks almost 288 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,490 immediately. This. . Will people forget this 289 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:11,970 or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen 290 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:14,150 be the butt of jokes for the next two 291 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:16,470 decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've 292 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:19,060 irreparably harmed their reputation with 293 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:21,250 this and not just Microsoft generally but 294 00:12:21,250 --> 00:12:23,220 the reputation of Windows as well. 295 00:12:23,478 --> 00:12:26,368 The forced upgrade thing was a huge mistake 296 00:12:26,368 --> 00:12:29,698 on their part and a very risky gamble and 297 00:12:29,698 --> 00:12:32,618 the recent people aren't going to forget 298 00:12:32,618 --> 00:12:35,598 it is because they came out and said we're 299 00:12:35,598 --> 00:12:37,688 going to hit a billion within two to three 300 00:12:37,688 --> 00:12:39,860 years and then right before Windows the 301 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:41,850 windows ten free upgrade ended they said 302 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:43,850 you know what we're not going to make that 303 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:46,130 goal and so even though they did that they 304 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:48,280 were unable to you know meet this reasonable 305 00:12:48,304 --> 00:12:50,924 goal, I thought, of reaching a billion 306 00:12:50,924 --> 00:12:53,334 users in that timeframe. 307 00:12:53,334 --> 00:12:55,124 - You know Mary Jo there's two ways to 308 00:12:55,124 --> 00:12:57,304 look at this. There's one way and this would, 309 00:12:57,304 --> 00:12:59,434 I think this is where Paul lines up, there 310 00:12:59,434 --> 00:13:01,294 was an executive or some marketing person 311 00:13:01,294 --> 00:13:03,204 who said you know what we want to hit a 312 00:13:03,204 --> 00:13:05,024 billion because it sounds like a great number. 313 00:13:05,024 --> 00:13:07,034 So let's just force this on people. The 314 00:13:07,034 --> 00:13:09,734 other way to think of this is that some 315 00:13:09,734 --> 00:13:11,724 engineers said you know what people 316 00:13:11,724 --> 00:13:13,574 will like ten if they just try it if we just 317 00:13:13,574 --> 00:13:15,634 get it on the machine they will understand 318 00:13:15,634 --> 00:13:17,234 what all the hoopla is about. 319 00:13:17,234 --> 00:13:19,344 Which of those do you fall with? 320 00:13:19,344 --> 00:13:22,064 - So I also, like Paul, think this was a 321 00:13:22,064 --> 00:13:25,634 big mistake and the part that really 322 00:13:25,634 --> 00:13:28,344 kind of riled me the most was when 323 00:13:28,344 --> 00:13:30,754 Microsoft was taking the tack of saying 324 00:13:30,754 --> 00:13:32,974 it's for users own good that were doing 325 00:13:32,974 --> 00:13:36,738 this and you know I was like wait this is 326 00:13:36,738 --> 00:13:38,928 so paternalistic How can you say what's 327 00:13:38,932 --> 00:13:41,312 for my good or my mother's good who 328 00:13:41,312 --> 00:13:43,512 accidently got Windows ten and like flipped 329 00:13:43,512 --> 00:13:46,392 out when she got it you know I just think 330 00:13:46,392 --> 00:13:48,902 that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They 331 00:13:48,902 --> 00:13:51,482 made a free upgrade available very easily 332 00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:53,362 to people but I don't think they should 333 00:13:53,362 --> 00:13:55,542 have rammed it down people's throat. 334 00:13:57,742 --> 00:13:59,982 But it's also, I don’t know if it qualifies 335 00:13:59,982 --> 00:14:02,172 as ironic but, You know one of the kind of 336 00:14:02,172 --> 00:14:04,192 contracts you enter into with Microsoft 337 00:14:04,192 --> 00:14:06,542 when you do install or get Windows 10 is 338 00:14:06,542 --> 00:14:08,762 you're accepting a constant stream of 339 00:14:08,762 --> 00:14:11,142 upgrades and you really can't do anything 340 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,992 as an individual to prevent that from 341 00:14:12,992 --> 00:14:15,332 happening. Least not elegantly or easily 342 00:14:15,332 --> 00:14:18,382 and your introduction to this new world is 343 00:14:18,382 --> 00:14:20,922 Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly 344 00:14:20,922 --> 00:14:22,872 jamming Windows 10 down your throat 345 00:14:22,872 --> 00:14:25,512 you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview 346 00:14:25,512 --> 00:14:27,732 of what the future holds for you when you 347 00:14:27,732 --> 00:14:31,042 do this and it's just the wrong first step 348 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:35,042 you know to resent, it was a terrible mistake 349 00:14:35,042 --> 00:14:39,042 - Yeah and then the hiding of the way 350 00:14:39,042 --> 00:14:41,832 that you would actually accept the upgrade 351 00:14:41,832 --> 00:14:44,282 where people were closing the window. 352 00:14:44,282 --> 00:14:47,112 That was really bad. That made like a bad 353 00:14:47,112 --> 00:14:51,112 situation worse. So yeah not a good look. 354 00:14:51,112 --> 00:14:54,152 - In writing about this topic today 355 00:14:54,191 --> 00:14:56,741 I decided not to go back and hit on every 356 00:14:56,741 --> 00:14:59,081 single little milestone in this because 357 00:14:59,081 --> 00:15:01,041 frankly it's kind of depressing. 358 00:15:01,041 --> 00:15:03,031 You know, when you go back to look at the 359 00:15:03,031 --> 00:15:05,421 sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm 360 00:15:05,421 --> 00:15:07,511 sure have written about this get Windows 10 361 00:15:07,511 --> 00:15:09,831 thing since last year and the various ways 362 00:15:09,831 --> 00:15:12,141 they changed it silently some Windows 363 00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:14,361 Update, or group of Windows Updates would 364 00:15:14,361 --> 00:15:16,201 go out, some of them would prevent the 365 00:15:16,201 --> 00:15:18,561 blockers from, you know or the un-blockers 366 00:15:18,561 --> 00:15:20,671 I guess from you know working. 367 00:15:20,671 --> 00:15:22,601 some of them would change the way the 368 00:15:22,601 --> 00:15:24,681 dialog looked or worked. You know in the 369 00:15:24,681 --> 00:15:26,991 past when you close the window, it would 370 00:15:26,991 --> 00:15:29,331 just go away but at one point when you 371 00:15:29,331 --> 00:15:31,491 close the window you silently have accepted 372 00:15:31,491 --> 00:15:35,291 the upgrade and that's purposefully evil. 373 00:15:35,291 --> 00:15:37,401 It's terrible. 374 00:15:37,477 --> 00:15:39,707 -For me I think that hurt more than anything 375 00:15:39,707 --> 00:15:42,977 else because I understand wanting to 376 00:15:42,977 --> 00:15:45,157 force out the update. Especially since 377 00:15:45,157 --> 00:15:46,897 they believe it's going to be much more 378 00:15:46,897 --> 00:15:48,947 secure, it's going to be much more feature 379 00:15:48,947 --> 00:15:51,527 rich. But the fact that they kept playing 380 00:15:51,527 --> 00:15:53,377 cat and mouse with people who just didn't 381 00:15:53,377 --> 00:15:55,527 want to be nagged anymore. That's the 382 00:15:55,527 --> 00:15:59,027 reputation strike it's like ok if I went to 383 00:15:59,027 --> 00:16:01,317 the trouble of removing that nag screen 384 00:16:01,317 --> 00:16:03,627 then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can 385 00:16:03,627 --> 00:16:05,887 do that. So the fact that you're trying to 386 00:16:05,887 --> 00:16:08,507 work around what I did. Now I feel as if 387 00:16:08,507 --> 00:16:10,867 we're playing Microsoft nanny state. 388 00:16:10,867 --> 00:16:12,317 -Right -Yeah, yeah 389 00:16:12,317 --> 00:16:15,067 A lot of times you know they keep saying 390 00:16:15,067 --> 00:16:17,637 you know what, we're letting people get 391 00:16:17,637 --> 00:16:19,827 around it, if they go in and edit the 392 00:16:19,827 --> 00:16:21,987 registry settings. I'm like, wait a second 393 00:16:21,987 --> 00:16:24,457 hold on, that's not something most people 394 00:16:24,457 --> 00:16:27,677 should do. In fact, probably very few 395 00:16:27,677 --> 00:16:29,747 should do it. And so when that was 396 00:16:29,747 --> 00:16:32,187 like “Hey were giving you an alternative 397 00:16:32,187 --> 00:16:34,197 to get out of it. I was like uh, that's 398 00:16:34,197 --> 00:16:35,657 not a good option. 399 00:16:35,657 --> 00:16:37,357 -That's not an alternative. 400 00:16:37,357 --> 00:16:38,217 –No 401 00:16:38,217 --> 00:16:40,747 - I mean the funny thing they get looking 402 00:16:40,747 --> 00:16:42,717 back over a year of articles for this topic. 403 00:16:42,717 --> 00:16:45,367 What I reminded myself of was in late June 404 00:16:45,367 --> 00:16:48,537 one month before the free offer ended. 405 00:16:48,537 --> 00:16:51,287 They finally added something to that 406 00:16:51,287 --> 00:16:53,417 box that said I don't want this please 407 00:16:53,417 --> 00:16:55,727 stop asking me. It took them eleven of 408 00:16:55,727 --> 00:16:58,627 the twelve months to get to that point. 409 00:16:58,627 --> 00:17:01,007 That's how it should have been on day one. 410 00:17:01,007 --> 00:17:03,437 You know it's just uh, you just can't 411 00:17:03,437 --> 00:17:05,957 recover from this. We don't know, we may 412 00:17:05,957 --> 00:17:09,037 never know the psychological impact that 413 00:17:09,037 --> 00:17:11,507 had on what may or may not have been 414 00:17:11,507 --> 00:17:13,627 very good to Microsoft customers that day, 415 00:17:13,627 --> 00:17:15,857 who upon looking for a new computer at 416 00:17:15,857 --> 00:17:18,577 some time in the future may decide they 417 00:17:18,577 --> 00:17:20,877 need, they are going to get a pro book 418 00:17:20,877 --> 00:17:23,647 instead or a mac book or well probably not 419 00:17:23,647 --> 00:17:25,777 a Linux computer that's crazy. But you know 420 00:17:25,777 --> 00:17:27,757 what I'm saying. That they're going to look 421 00:17:27,757 --> 00:17:30,457 at an iPad even or something, whatever. 422 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:32,720 And just make that decision because they 423 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,530 don't want to be harassed which is a 424 00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:38,490 completely reasonable request. You know. 425 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:42,650 -Let's close the book on this bad chapter. 426 00:17:42,964 --> 00:17:45,214 –Yeah, yeah I think so. 427 00:17:45,727 --> 00:17:48,027 It's not a mulligan but it's since you say 428 00:17:48,027 --> 00:17:50,337 OK you know what, you kind of hit some 429 00:17:50,337 --> 00:17:52,377 of the numbers you wanted not the big one 430 00:17:52,377 --> 00:17:54,757 but now actually show us that our faith in 431 00:17:54,757 --> 00:17:57,127 you is not misplaced. But to be fair, we 432 00:17:57,127 --> 00:17:59,617 could look at other companies in the 433 00:17:59,617 --> 00:18:01,867 industry, like Google that are doing the 434 00:18:01,867 --> 00:18:03,877 same sort of strong arm tactics. 435 00:18:03,899 --> 00:18:06,189 Google right now is making a big push for 436 00:18:06,189 --> 00:18:08,529 HTTPS, they want everything to be encypted 437 00:18:08,529 --> 00:18:10,839 end to end on the internet, that's a good 438 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:13,019 goal, but some people feel that their 439 00:18:13,019 --> 00:18:15,269 approach is heavy handed. Now, the new 440 00:18:15,269 --> 00:18:17,989 updates to Chrome are going to automatically 441 00:18:17,989 --> 00:18:20,219 mark any site that doesn't have HTTPS built 442 00:18:20,219 --> 00:18:22,479 into it as insecure so that little icon is 443 00:18:22,479 --> 00:18:24,549 going to pop up, warning people that maybe 444 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:26,359 they shouldn't visit the site. People think 445 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,639 that's heavy handed, but those looking at 446 00:18:28,639 --> 00:18:30,849 it say, "well this is ultimately going to 447 00:18:30,849 --> 00:18:33,209 lead to a better internet." you could make 448 00:18:33,209 --> 00:18:35,229 the same call here. You could say "Look, 449 00:18:35,229 --> 00:18:36,779 this was heavy handed, this was 450 00:18:36,779 --> 00:18:39,329 Microsoft being the worst of the nannies, 451 00:18:39,329 --> 00:18:42,099 but a more secure OS ultimately is a 452 00:18:42,099 --> 00:18:44,139 better experience." 453 00:18:44,139 --> 00:18:47,109 -All of the goals that Microsoft had for 454 00:18:47,109 --> 00:18:49,829 this were valid right. Even the self-serving 455 00:18:49,829 --> 00:18:51,759 ones you know, the notion that we would 456 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:53,969 all be better off if more of us run the 457 00:18:53,969 --> 00:18:55,829 very latest version of the O. S. and we're 458 00:18:55,829 --> 00:18:58,149 always updated to be on that version would 459 00:18:58,149 --> 00:19:00,069 make us all more secure because it's less 460 00:19:00,069 --> 00:19:02,359 work for Microsoft to do to fix the problems 461 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,539 you know, are going to occur down the road 462 00:19:04,539 --> 00:19:06,909 Everyone benefits from that there's no. . 463 00:19:06,909 --> 00:19:08,759 you can't really dispute it. But the 464 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:10,449 problem is when they say oh good, everyone 465 00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:11,999 agrees? Good! Now you're all getting the 466 00:19:11,999 --> 00:19:13,699 new upgrade is like whoa whoa hold on a 467 00:19:13,699 --> 00:19:15,389 second, you know, you mention for example 468 00:19:15,389 --> 00:19:17,219 that you have U.S.B. devices that don't 469 00:19:17,219 --> 00:19:18,879 work on Windows 10. I'm sure anyone. 470 00:19:18,879 --> 00:19:21,099 listening to this has some examples of 471 00:19:21,099 --> 00:19:22,979 some things whatever might be, uh… 472 00:19:22,979 --> 00:19:25,599 that don't work you know or some reason 473 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:27,639 whatever it may be that they couldn't 474 00:19:27,639 --> 00:19:30,309 upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't 475 00:19:30,309 --> 00:19:32,319 believe you can I mean they tried you can't 476 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,429 really just jam this kind of thing down 477 00:19:34,429 --> 00:19:35,669 people's throats. 478 00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:38,869 -And for our few fruit flans in the chat room 479 00:19:38,869 --> 00:19:41,939 right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying 480 00:19:41,939 --> 00:19:44,179 to force Windows 10 on people was a 481 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,890 boondoggle. Whereas another company's 482 00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:49,680 decision to remove a standard port was brave? 483 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,350 (Mary-Jo laughs) Courage 484 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:52,820 (Paul) Good marketing. 485 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:56,110 (Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just 486 00:19:56,110 --> 00:19:58,300 Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just 487 00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:59,820 misunderstanding it. 488 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:02,970 -Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK 489 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:06,970 (Paul) It was courageous of them to attempt. 490 00:20:06,970 --> 00:20:09,240 (Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although 491 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,510 I will say something I really don't like 492 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,840 is the fact that they've disabled something 493 00:20:13,861 --> 00:20:16,381 from 8 because if you do Windows stacked 494 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:18,551 side by side it's pretty seamless but if 495 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,591 you do one on top of the other there's 496 00:20:20,591 --> 00:20:22,901 always a hard break as you move between 497 00:20:22,901 --> 00:20:25,211 screens. In 8 you used to be able to 498 00:20:25,211 --> 00:20:27,671 disable that sticky window, you just move 499 00:20:27,671 --> 00:20:30,081 right through it. You can do the same 500 00:20:30,082 --> 00:20:32,882 registry edit in 10 but it doesn't fix it. 501 00:20:32,882 --> 00:20:35,432 That never goes away and that's why I 502 00:20:35,432 --> 00:20:38,752 don't understand that, Go figure. All right. 503 00:20:38,752 --> 00:20:41,492 When we come back. 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And we thank Sonic 572 00:23:21,668 --> 00:23:24,748 for their support of Windows Weekly. 573 00:23:25,428 --> 00:23:28,148 OK this is one of these stories that it 574 00:23:28,148 --> 00:23:31,298 almost feels as if a continuation of stories 575 00:23:31,298 --> 00:23:33,778 that we've already covered but who 576 00:23:33,778 --> 00:23:35,958 wants to talk about the bad news for 577 00:23:35,958 --> 00:23:37,558 pink slips over at Microsoft. 578 00:23:37,568 --> 00:23:40,968 (Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the Skype thing first. 579 00:23:40,968 --> 00:23:42,988 (Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know 580 00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:45,768 what that's hold off on the super awesome 581 00:23:45,768 --> 00:23:47,838 (Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can 582 00:23:47,838 --> 00:23:49,605 we could kind of mix it up a little. 583 00:23:49,605 --> 00:23:52,555 -The people getting pink slips got them over Skype. (laughter) 584 00:23:52,555 --> 00:23:54,555 (Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting 585 00:23:54,555 --> 00:23:56,365 (Paul) Which explains why some of them 586 00:23:56,365 --> 00:23:59,385 have been home. Some of them got it seventeen times. (laughing) 587 00:23:59,385 --> 00:24:03,065 (Mary-Jo) Burn, burn (Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype. 588 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,240 -Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S. relate because you, I think you've 589 00:24:09,245 --> 00:24:11,185 actually looked at it, right? 590 00:24:11,185 --> 00:24:15,185 -No, well not exactly, so, Err, how do I explain this, 591 00:24:15,185 --> 00:24:19,185 but earlier this year Microsoft announced a feature that was going to come 592 00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:23,080 in the Windows 10 anniversary update called messaging everywhere 593 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,180 and the idea is that you have a Windows Phone or an Android phone 594 00:24:26,186 --> 00:24:30,186 and you can use your computer to send text messages and receive text messages 595 00:24:30,186 --> 00:24:34,026 right like you can do in a Mac if you have an iPhone as well. 596 00:24:34,026 --> 00:24:37,666 And everyone was really excited about it, some insiders started testing it 597 00:24:37,667 --> 00:24:40,457 and then very late in the game they said you know what. 598 00:24:40,457 --> 00:24:42,897 Actually we're not going to put this in Windows 10. 599 00:24:42,897 --> 00:24:46,137 This makes more sense for Skype we'll put it in the Skype preview app 600 00:24:46,137 --> 00:24:49,157 but sometime later in the year they yanked it out of Windows 10 601 00:24:49,157 --> 00:24:52,262 some people were disappointed you know because they were using it 602 00:24:52,262 --> 00:24:56,262 but you know I think we can agree that a messaging feature makes more sense for 603 00:24:56,262 --> 00:25:00,072 Microsoft's messaging solution than it does for Windows specifically so 604 00:25:00,072 --> 00:25:03,602 it's going to be part of Skype. So in the most recent Windows insider build 605 00:25:03,602 --> 00:25:07,602 which was released last week I think Microsoft's added this feature in for 606 00:25:07,602 --> 00:25:11,202 the first time and now they're calling it S.M.S. relay actually been calling 607 00:25:11,202 --> 00:25:15,007 about for some time but it's a slightly more technical and less interesting name 608 00:25:15,007 --> 00:25:18,727 and the functionality is supposed to work the same way in this initial version 609 00:25:18,727 --> 00:25:22,727 however you need to have the latest fast ring version of Windows 10 from 610 00:25:22,727 --> 00:25:26,727 windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or something like that. And you also need 611 00:25:27,407 --> 00:25:31,407 to have that same build on Windows 10 mobile it only works on those two systems 612 00:25:32,025 --> 00:25:36,025 so I have both of these things but I couldn't get it. 613 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:39,374 I'm not seeing it on my phone I don't know why. 614 00:25:39,374 --> 00:25:43,474 but the idea again is that you can from the Skype preview app on Windows 10 615 00:25:43,474 --> 00:25:48,200 for P.C.'s send and receive text messages and so if your phone is over the corner 616 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,200 charging somebody sends you a text message you get a notification on your P.C. 617 00:25:52,215 --> 00:25:56,215 click on it you can reply to it right there. It sends out over your phone 618 00:25:56,215 --> 00:25:59,475 as you would expect so it's coming. 619 00:25:59,475 --> 00:26:03,205 And it will come as part of Skype, right? So we won't have 620 00:26:03,205 --> 00:26:06,265 to wait for the next major version of Windows 10 to get it. 621 00:26:06,265 --> 00:26:10,375 Which by the way is another one of the advantages of putting it on Skype. 622 00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:14,195 -You know what's weird though I think I messaged you about this that I have an 623 00:26:14,234 --> 00:26:18,234 Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C. and I am seeing my text messages 624 00:26:18,234 --> 00:26:22,234 from my phone show up on my Windows 10 P.C. and I'm not on 625 00:26:22,234 --> 00:26:26,234 the insider program right! –Which is really interesting. 626 00:26:26,239 --> 00:26:30,239 -Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana though because I have Cortana on both 627 00:26:30,239 --> 00:26:34,239 and I believe that also gives you some of that functionality but that then 628 00:26:34,246 --> 00:26:39,716 I'm like OK So is this in the future going to be taken out of Cortana? 629 00:26:39,721 --> 00:26:43,801 -Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of confusing because this is hum, 630 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:48,361 I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm still updating for the anniversary update 631 00:26:48,371 --> 00:26:52,371 and one of the things I put off literally to the very end that I will wrote right 632 00:26:52,371 --> 00:26:56,611 in the last of all the new content is phone integration because it's actually a 633 00:26:56,611 --> 00:27:01,551 little convoluted there are three ways right now that you can get information 634 00:27:01,551 --> 00:27:05,551 back and forth from your phone through Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this 635 00:27:05,551 --> 00:27:09,551 new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype preview. One is the thing you're seeing 636 00:27:09,551 --> 00:27:13,931 which is the Cortana integration but there's also like a Windows phone 637 00:27:13,931 --> 00:27:18,635 integration I will get Windows Phone notifications in Action Center on 638 00:27:18,635 --> 00:27:22,635 Windows 10 that are notifications that came from Windows 10 in the phone and so 639 00:27:22,636 --> 00:27:26,286 they could be about anything it will be like Facebook updates. 640 00:27:26,286 --> 00:27:30,286 You know different things from different apps on the phone and those things will 641 00:27:30,286 --> 00:27:34,286 actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C. 642 00:27:34,292 --> 00:27:37,662 as well. So I'm still trying to kind of.. 643 00:27:37,662 --> 00:27:41,662 where and how all these things happen and why you know it's interesting I have 644 00:27:41,665 --> 00:27:45,665 three different phones, so I have and Android phone like you do and I have the 645 00:27:45,665 --> 00:27:49,086 Windows Phone and also an iPhone So the iPhone doesn't really do anything 646 00:27:49,086 --> 00:27:52,796 but the expectation is that you'll have a pretty decent level of functionality 647 00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:56,036 through Android if you have Windows 10 and then obviously if you have 648 00:27:56,036 --> 00:27:58,486 Windows 10 mobile you would have the best experience 649 00:27:58,486 --> 00:28:01,436 because those two things would be tightly integrated. 650 00:28:01,436 --> 00:28:04,686 -You know that's something in a feature I actually would really like 651 00:28:04,687 --> 00:28:08,687 something in Windows that shows me how the various services integrate because 652 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:12,687 it's always an crapshoot for me about what notifications I get on what devices like 653 00:28:12,687 --> 00:28:17,247 you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got Windows devices I've got Android I think 654 00:28:17,247 --> 00:28:22,337 Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never really sure what is syncing and what's not 655 00:28:22,358 --> 00:28:27,528 -It's like a roulette wheel and I just was speaking Skype specifically, this morning 656 00:28:27,528 --> 00:28:31,528 I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're you know we're texting back and forth 657 00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:35,533 he writes, I write you know five minutes goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden 658 00:28:35,537 --> 00:28:40,797 one of my three phones in this case it was my iPhone the screen lights up and 659 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:45,462 I look over and it's a Skype notification of something. Brad had written me on Skype 660 00:28:45,496 --> 00:28:49,796 about two minutes earlier. And so for some reason that one version of the app 661 00:28:49,806 --> 00:28:55,176 on that one phone lit up. It was like all my devices or weight are in the back and 662 00:28:55,205 --> 00:28:59,205 one of those are like I got it. I got it, 663 00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:02,160 and it just kind of like I'm having an 664 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,690 active conversation in Skype on Windows. 665 00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:07,559 You know why? 666 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,947 Why would these other things? You know how it is, if I go to my 667 00:29:11,947 --> 00:29:17,067 Android phone and I turn them on right now and I go into Skype. You know thus 668 00:29:17,094 --> 00:29:21,094 waking it up which is a mistake. It's like Jason from Friday the 13th or something 669 00:29:21,094 --> 00:29:25,094 but if I do wake it up briefly it will flash those one two three conversations 670 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:29,110 that are marked unread the conversations I had earlier with Brad actually this one 671 00:29:29,122 --> 00:29:36,332 from Twit and the conversations I had with Mary Jo according to this version of 672 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:39,350 the app these conversations are unread. 673 00:29:39,469 --> 00:29:45,189 -I know, that happens to me too. Yet when I when I've had my Windows 10 674 00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:49,230 laptop off for a while I turn on you know they all the messages filtered through 675 00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:52,943 but then some show up as unread and some show up as read. 676 00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:53,644 -Yep. 677 00:29:53,674 --> 00:29:57,674 -So I'm not sure what makes both of those things happen. 678 00:29:57,710 --> 00:30:02,060 -Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10 notification I just turning off everything 679 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,080 because I was so tired of receiving the same notifications 15 times 680 00:30:06,118 --> 00:30:06,868 -Yep 681 00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:14,470 -Actually there's something else that I do love the syncing across accounts 682 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:18,220 that actually does work nicely except for the fact that at home. I've got this 683 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:22,220 monster set up with two 4K. monitors and a bunch of little monitors around the 684 00:30:22,241 --> 00:30:27,501 periphery and it tries to import those preferences into my laptop and it doesn't 685 00:30:27,506 --> 00:30:31,556 matter how many times I tell it not to do that it. There's always an update in the, 686 00:30:31,556 --> 00:30:35,556 the switch gets turned back on & suddenly all the text on my laptop is tiny. 687 00:30:35,576 --> 00:30:39,576 Because it's adjusting with what it thinks I want to the desktop, which that's again 688 00:30:39,593 --> 00:30:45,353 I want some sort of central control panel that shows all my devices and which 689 00:30:45,353 --> 00:30:50,413 settings are moving between which devices. It sounds like that's an absolute 690 00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:54,413 necessity now with all the different devices that we use. And with all the 691 00:30:54,413 --> 00:30:59,813 syncing that Microsoft trying to build into the products. That's a necessity. 692 00:31:00,862 --> 00:31:05,582 -Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't have a big presence slash 693 00:31:05,582 --> 00:31:11,112 any presence in Mobile and so one of the concerns that they have that maybe Apple 694 00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:16,298 doesn't have and Google only has to a lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the 695 00:31:16,323 --> 00:31:22,323 cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S. 696 00:31:22,342 --> 00:31:25,882 relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS and Android as 697 00:31:25,906 --> 00:31:30,586 well and it's a reasonable expectation that it would but 698 00:31:30,586 --> 00:31:34,357 you know of course on Android you have a Microsoft has a 699 00:31:34,357 --> 00:31:36,917 much easier way of getting into the system and making 700 00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:40,047 this more seamless whereas in IOS, if you think about how 701 00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:43,029 Cortana works you kind of have to go in and run the app 702 00:31:43,036 --> 00:31:46,086 for some things to happen. You know it's never going to be as. . 703 00:31:46,086 --> 00:31:49,966 even though it can you know, it can sort of run in the background a little bit 704 00:31:49,966 --> 00:31:53,966 you can never be sure that it will always be there. This is more easily done on 705 00:31:53,973 --> 00:31:57,973 Android and Windows Phone So if you… Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head 706 00:31:57,973 --> 00:32:02,363 has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay on IOS Android? 707 00:32:03,578 --> 00:32:07,078 -I don't remember them saying that. 708 00:32:07,078 --> 00:32:09,528 –It seems like it would have to the right? 709 00:32:09,528 --> 00:32:11,418 (Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed like it would have to 710 00:32:11,418 --> 00:32:13,504 -What would be the point of S.M.S relay 711 00:32:13,504 --> 00:32:14,694 to Windows 10 mobile? 712 00:32:14,694 --> 00:32:15,594 -Right. 713 00:32:15,594 --> 00:32:17,864 - Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question 714 00:32:17,864 --> 00:32:20,444 for you. Do we know how many versions of 715 00:32:20,476 --> 00:32:22,966 messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has 716 00:32:22,969 --> 00:32:25,369 because you've got Skype. You've got 717 00:32:25,369 --> 00:32:27,449 Skype for business. You've got Skype for 718 00:32:27,449 --> 00:32:29,269 broadcast and then you've got the link 719 00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:31,229 stuff which was actually supposed to take 720 00:32:31,229 --> 00:32:33,429 over for the Skype stuff but then that 721 00:32:33,437 --> 00:32:35,847 seems to be flipped. Now that we've got the Dela 722 00:32:35,847 --> 00:32:38,537 do you see what's in the strategy going 723 00:32:38,537 --> 00:32:40,957 forward or we just keep getting fractured 724 00:32:40,957 --> 00:32:43,637 off into different types of Skype and do they still have 725 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:46,520 that artificial delineation between consumer and enterprise? 726 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,590 -They do. They still have the delineation 727 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:50,650 there is still Skype consumer and Skype 728 00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:52,479 for business are not the same product 729 00:32:52,479 --> 00:32:56,299 even though they're both called Skype and you're right. Link is still kind of 730 00:32:56,299 --> 00:32:58,969 hanging around for some on premises 731 00:32:58,969 --> 00:33:01,339 stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name 732 00:33:01,339 --> 00:33:03,739 will totally go away and link will be 733 00:33:03,739 --> 00:33:06,899 completely superseded by Skype for business that will happen. 734 00:33:06,914 --> 00:33:10,814 -Because that was going the other way. I mean Skype was going to go to go away and 735 00:33:10,814 --> 00:33:13,964 they were going to keep Link and so now they've reversed on that. 736 00:33:13,964 --> 00:33:15,764 - Yes So I think they're being pretty 737 00:33:15,772 --> 00:33:18,962 consistent on length being supplanted by Skype for business. 738 00:33:18,963 --> 00:33:19,673 -OK. 739 00:33:19,673 --> 00:33:21,783 -I think next week which is Microsoft 740 00:33:21,785 --> 00:33:24,645 ignite we might hear some new things 741 00:33:24,645 --> 00:33:26,905 about Skype for business and kind of 742 00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,065 where that's going because every time we 743 00:33:29,085 --> 00:33:31,225 ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer 744 00:33:31,225 --> 00:33:33,095 Skype consumer questions but they won't 745 00:33:33,095 --> 00:33:35,605 talk at all about Skype for business. And 746 00:33:35,605 --> 00:33:37,478 I think next week's show because it's a 747 00:33:37,478 --> 00:33:39,338 very IT pro focus show we probably will 748 00:33:39,338 --> 00:33:41,998 hear some new things about Skype for 749 00:33:41,998 --> 00:33:44,048 business and hopefully about how it's 750 00:33:44,048 --> 00:33:46,418 going to be syncing soon with OneDrive 751 00:33:46,418 --> 00:33:48,778 and OneDrive for business. That's 752 00:33:48,778 --> 00:33:51,058 something people are really waiting 753 00:33:51,058 --> 00:33:53,238 anxiously for and last we heard that was 754 00:33:53,242 --> 00:33:55,432 going to happen in the final calendar 755 00:33:55,432 --> 00:33:59,132 quarter of this year. So we're almost in the final calendar quarter. 756 00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:01,867 Seems like we should get some new News on that next week. 757 00:34:01,867 --> 00:34:04,617 - Wait Skype for business will sync with OneDrive? 758 00:34:04,633 --> 00:34:06,363 -With OneDrive for business, yes! 759 00:34:06,363 --> 00:34:08,453 -How does that.. Wait what is it syncing? 760 00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:12,373 - They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I saying OneDrive business or 761 00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:15,143 am I thinking Share Point. I’m thinking about Share Point. 762 00:34:15,143 --> 00:34:16,463 -OK, OK that makes sense 763 00:34:16,463 --> 00:34:18,573 -Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point 764 00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:20,703 when I'm saying OneDrive for business but 765 00:34:20,703 --> 00:34:25,033 um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share Point and OneDrive business being able to 766 00:34:25,036 --> 00:34:28,006 actually have better sync across those 767 00:34:28,006 --> 00:34:30,656 two products and they said that was going 768 00:34:30,672 --> 00:34:33,292 to counter Q four and I think that's what 769 00:34:33,292 --> 00:34:35,742 we might hear about next week. But yeah 770 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:37,812 you know every time we ask about Skype. 771 00:34:37,812 --> 00:34:39,714 You know we've heard recently that Skype 772 00:34:39,714 --> 00:34:41,664 is moving to this new kind of universal 773 00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:43,934 next generation client and when I asked 774 00:34:43,934 --> 00:34:45,744 Microsoft you know does that also mean 775 00:34:45,744 --> 00:34:47,564 Skype for businesses is going to be on 776 00:34:47,564 --> 00:34:49,134 that same universal client. 777 00:34:49,134 --> 00:34:51,954 They said we're not really talking about Skype for Business. 778 00:34:51,956 --> 00:34:53,276 -You're like whoa. 779 00:34:53,286 --> 00:34:55,656 -Don't get ahead of yourself here. 780 00:34:55,805 --> 00:34:58,455 - And don't forget the upcoming Skype for 781 00:34:58,455 --> 00:35:00,615 Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also 782 00:35:00,616 --> 00:35:03,416 another universal client and universal, universal. 783 00:35:06,566 --> 00:35:09,576 -But we should talk about this thing that 784 00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:13,386 surfaced this week called Skype for life. Speaking of . 785 00:35:13,386 --> 00:35:16,342 -Oh good I was just hoping we would have another Skype. 786 00:35:16,342 --> 00:35:19,332 - Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th. (laughing) 787 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,833 -OK what is Skype For Life? 788 00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:26,803 -OK So ARS Technica Dr Pizza over there 789 00:35:26,803 --> 00:35:28,993 got a tip from one of his sources or 790 00:35:29,021 --> 00:35:31,351 maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was 791 00:35:31,351 --> 00:35:35,351 working on a product called Skype For Life and he and a lot of us have first 792 00:35:35,351 --> 00:35:38,601 kind of thought maybe this was a name for 793 00:35:38,601 --> 00:35:41,921 the universal Skype client that would 794 00:35:41,921 --> 00:35:44,301 work across all different platforms that 795 00:35:44,304 --> 00:35:46,794 would be kind of like what Microsoft has 796 00:35:46,794 --> 00:35:48,874 described as the universal Windows 797 00:35:48,874 --> 00:35:51,034 platform equivalent but for the other 798 00:35:51,051 --> 00:35:53,251 platforms like IOS and Android. But then 799 00:35:53,251 --> 00:35:55,511 Paul dug around a little and thought it 800 00:35:55,511 --> 00:35:58,481 through and he says no but that is not what that it is. 801 00:35:58,704 --> 00:36:00,244 -No! No 802 00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:03,903 I mean I talked to Peter about it. 803 00:36:04,061 --> 00:36:05,751 Skype, ironically. 804 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:09,669 And I don't doubt that he was told this 805 00:36:09,699 --> 00:36:12,719 and I don't doubt that the person who 806 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,448 told him saw this and thought that they 807 00:36:15,448 --> 00:36:17,940 understood what they were seeing but you 808 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,149 know I talked to the Skype guys back in 809 00:36:20,149 --> 00:36:22,799 June or July about the strategy Mary Jo 810 00:36:22,799 --> 00:36:25,563 just discussed where they're moving to a 811 00:36:25,563 --> 00:36:27,883 new generation clients they have updated 812 00:36:27,883 --> 00:36:29,693 their back end infrastructure they 813 00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:32,080 temporarily have to maintain the old 814 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,150 P.D.P. infrastructure for certain 815 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,270 applications or services but that's going 816 00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:38,410 to be going away. The combination of 817 00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:40,750 these two back end services explains the 818 00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:43,200 Skype reliability issues that we've all 819 00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:45,353 seen over the past you know several 820 00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:47,976 months I was told. And I thought you 821 00:36:48,004 --> 00:36:50,784 know, Skype For Life and making yet again 822 00:36:50,821 --> 00:36:54,661 new, some new client that would somehow 823 00:36:54,661 --> 00:36:57,141 run across all those platforms didn't 824 00:36:57,141 --> 00:36:59,641 make any sense to me and if you look at 825 00:36:59,641 --> 00:37:02,221 that next to their previously stated 826 00:37:02,229 --> 00:37:04,459 strategy it's clear to me that Skype For 827 00:37:04,459 --> 00:37:06,609 Life is just a marketing term and what 828 00:37:06,618 --> 00:37:08,638 they're describing internally I think is 829 00:37:08,638 --> 00:37:10,938 the culmination of that previous existing 830 00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:13,118 strategy that the new infrastructures 831 00:37:13,126 --> 00:37:15,116 switched over to their new clients are 832 00:37:15,138 --> 00:37:17,118 all available. They all interact and all 833 00:37:17,118 --> 00:37:18,988 have the new features and it's not that 834 00:37:18,988 --> 00:37:20,718 it's one client's I mean obviously 835 00:37:20,729 --> 00:37:23,029 Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and 836 00:37:23,029 --> 00:37:25,079 Android will have native apps there, 837 00:37:25,089 --> 00:37:27,179 Linux will have what they have and there 838 00:37:27,179 --> 00:37:29,189 will be the web version as well. And 839 00:37:29,189 --> 00:37:31,519 these things will have some baseline of 840 00:37:31,521 --> 00:37:33,601 functionality that works across all of 841 00:37:33,601 --> 00:37:36,781 them on this new infrastructure that's the point of it. 842 00:37:36,787 --> 00:37:39,102 -You know what I'm going to still be a 843 00:37:39,102 --> 00:37:41,262 doubter here. OK I don't think, I think 844 00:37:41,262 --> 00:37:43,402 the more I think about this the more I 845 00:37:43,402 --> 00:37:46,042 think you're right that it isn't a new 846 00:37:46,048 --> 00:37:48,998 totally new Skype client. I think that 847 00:37:48,998 --> 00:37:51,408 would just be crazy and kind of going 848 00:37:51,433 --> 00:37:53,763 back to what they just got away from but 849 00:37:53,763 --> 00:37:56,073 I think Skype For Life is something else 850 00:37:56,073 --> 00:37:59,343 and the reason I'm thinking that it's a 851 00:37:59,349 --> 00:38:01,329 marketing slogan but, maybe it's 852 00:38:01,331 --> 00:38:03,371 something like you know they call Skype 853 00:38:03,371 --> 00:38:05,806 translator a feature of Skype like that. 854 00:38:05,806 --> 00:38:08,006 That's how they brand that and Skype for 855 00:38:08,006 --> 00:38:10,092 teams which is what they're going to be 856 00:38:10,092 --> 00:38:12,112 doing to compete with Slack. I also think 857 00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:14,084 they'll call that a feature of Skype. I 858 00:38:14,084 --> 00:38:16,194 don't think they'll call of a new version 859 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,689 of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life 860 00:38:18,689 --> 00:38:21,119 might be something like using Skype to 861 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,439 improve your life in some way. So maybe 862 00:38:23,458 --> 00:38:25,768 it's like I don't know I'm just I'm 863 00:38:25,792 --> 00:38:28,032 totally reaching here but Skype like 864 00:38:28,032 --> 00:38:30,212 maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health 865 00:38:30,212 --> 00:38:32,612 platforms somehow connected or you know 866 00:38:32,612 --> 00:38:35,552 Skype being used for some specific thing 867 00:38:35,552 --> 00:38:37,952 that's more about health and welfare and 868 00:38:37,952 --> 00:38:40,672 maybe a very specific almost like a 869 00:38:40,698 --> 00:38:43,328 vertical I'm just guessing here again but 870 00:38:43,328 --> 00:38:45,638 I think it's something else. 871 00:38:45,956 --> 00:38:49,486 -I mean that seems very far reaching. It 872 00:38:49,486 --> 00:38:52,566 might be simpler that you know it's funny 873 00:38:52,585 --> 00:38:54,685 we were just kind of joking around and 874 00:38:54,685 --> 00:38:56,785 slash complaining about how you know 875 00:38:56,799 --> 00:38:59,449 Skype will ring on various devices and 876 00:38:59,449 --> 00:39:01,549 whatever because we have various devices 877 00:39:01,549 --> 00:39:03,959 because we're nerds and so Skype For Life 878 00:39:03,959 --> 00:39:06,109 could be as simple as what I think of a 879 00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:08,639 Skype everywhere this this feature you 880 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,849 know that a normal person with a computer 881 00:39:10,858 --> 00:39:13,354 and a phone or a tablet and a phone would 882 00:39:13,354 --> 00:39:15,463 want to get messages everywhere and 883 00:39:15,463 --> 00:39:17,213 that's the For Life. In other words. 884 00:39:17,213 --> 00:39:19,223 Whatever your life is whatever your 885 00:39:19,223 --> 00:39:23,223 habits are whatever devices you choose to use Skype will be there. You know. 886 00:39:23,223 --> 00:39:24,493 -That could be 887 00:39:24,505 --> 00:39:26,905 -I just you know regardless of what it is 888 00:39:26,926 --> 00:39:30,926 I mean I think it's mostly a marketing 889 00:39:30,926 --> 00:39:33,186 term. Right. Not so much a product. And 890 00:39:33,186 --> 00:39:37,186 it's almost just a way to describe functionality to normal people. 891 00:39:37,186 --> 00:39:43,216 -I'd be down with the marketing term. I spoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at 892 00:39:43,234 --> 00:39:45,804 IFA in Berlin last month and or no this 893 00:39:45,804 --> 00:39:49,544 month and of course didn't want to talk 894 00:39:49,544 --> 00:39:52,994 about it but what he was describing was 895 00:39:53,004 --> 00:39:57,004 that this is Skype UC this is the unified 896 00:39:57,014 --> 00:40:00,068 communication promised the idea of we 897 00:40:00,068 --> 00:40:01,808 don't want Skype to be an app. It 898 00:40:01,808 --> 00:40:03,618 shouldn't be something you start up it 899 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:05,479 should be something that is just 900 00:40:05,479 --> 00:40:07,149 everywhere. They're using Microsoft 901 00:40:07,149 --> 00:40:08,879 products. You should be able to say 902 00:40:08,879 --> 00:40:10,949 Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will 903 00:40:10,949 --> 00:40:13,479 automatically kick out Skype and it 904 00:40:13,479 --> 00:40:15,644 doesn't even call a Skype it just 905 00:40:15,644 --> 00:40:17,584 connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean 906 00:40:17,584 --> 00:40:19,494 that UC promises has been something 907 00:40:19,494 --> 00:40:21,304 that's been around for ten years maybe 908 00:40:21,313 --> 00:40:23,643 this is Microsoft finally saying let's do. 909 00:40:23,668 --> 00:40:26,008 - Or saying we finally have enough pieces 910 00:40:26,008 --> 00:40:28,168 in place for it makes sense right. I mean 911 00:40:28,169 --> 00:40:30,409 even the things like integrating Skype 912 00:40:30,409 --> 00:40:32,829 into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the 913 00:40:32,843 --> 00:40:36,843 web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in 914 00:40:36,843 --> 00:40:40,843 office 2016 which you know depending on 915 00:40:40,843 --> 00:40:42,723 your view of things you might find 916 00:40:42,723 --> 00:40:45,613 incredibly useful or incredibly annoying 917 00:40:45,623 --> 00:40:47,923 because it certainly on the web, they 918 00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:49,803 don't do a good job with that but 919 00:40:49,809 --> 00:40:52,239 I think that these things are all part of 920 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,229 … how do you describe a bunch of little 921 00:40:55,229 --> 00:40:58,079 things? It's a.. what's the theme? You 922 00:40:58,088 --> 00:41:00,888 know universal communications is how we 923 00:41:00,888 --> 00:41:03,248 would say it in the enterprise and maybe 924 00:41:03,248 --> 00:41:05,878 Skype For Life is how they want to say it to people. 925 00:41:05,908 --> 00:41:09,498 -You know what Padre just gave me a crazy idea another crazy idea. 926 00:41:09,498 --> 00:41:10,768 -Oh good 927 00:41:10,787 --> 00:41:13,397 -What if Skype For Life is a bot? 928 00:41:13,442 --> 00:41:15,102 -Oh 929 00:41:15,112 --> 00:41:18,702 -Now they’re intergrading more bots into 930 00:41:18,702 --> 00:41:20,802 Skype right and there's been all this 931 00:41:20,802 --> 00:41:23,012 talk about a concierge bot that Bing was 932 00:41:23,012 --> 00:41:25,112 working on for a while to be kind of like 933 00:41:25,112 --> 00:41:27,562 your personal assistant for life. You 934 00:41:27,562 --> 00:41:29,712 know somebody who you could say hey what 935 00:41:29,712 --> 00:41:31,979 movies are playing can you get me some 936 00:41:31,979 --> 00:41:33,989 tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life? 937 00:41:34,004 --> 00:41:36,974 -But then Skype for life would have to fight Cortana to the death. 938 00:41:36,978 --> 00:41:39,538 -I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they... 939 00:41:39,545 --> 00:41:42,855 I think they're siblings I think they're friends but yeah 940 00:41:42,855 --> 00:41:45,225 -Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin 941 00:41:45,225 --> 00:41:47,455 they kept in the closet until he was a 942 00:41:47,455 --> 00:41:49,535 teenager so he’s a little stunted. 943 00:41:51,351 --> 00:41:53,411 We've actually got people in the chat 944 00:41:53,413 --> 00:41:55,233 room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who 945 00:41:55,233 --> 00:41:57,313 suggested that Skype For Life is actually 946 00:41:57,313 --> 00:41:59,513 the name of a new form of judicial 947 00:41:59,513 --> 00:42:01,433 punishment and then you see the really 948 00:42:01,433 --> 00:42:03,603 really bad, you only get to use Skype (Laughing) 949 00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:06,873 -It sounds like a big punishment. 950 00:42:06,922 --> 00:42:10,922 -And a guy could be like oh I’ve been Skyped. 951 00:42:10,922 --> 00:42:13,002 -Should it just be Skype 10? I mean, 952 00:42:13,047 --> 00:42:16,637 cause that was the whole idea of Windows 10. It is the last Windows you will ever 953 00:42:16,662 --> 00:42:19,872 own is this Skype 10 is it like look it will always be this way. 954 00:42:19,872 --> 00:42:23,052 -And what you're supposed to do 955 00:42:23,052 --> 00:42:25,502 everything to ensure it. That’s windows. God bless 956 00:42:25,504 --> 00:42:26,874 -The ultimate Skype. 957 00:42:26,874 --> 00:42:29,154 -Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name 958 00:42:29,154 --> 00:42:31,184 right. That should have just been Windows 959 00:42:31,184 --> 00:42:33,164 I don't think we need to go 10 I think if 960 00:42:33,164 --> 00:42:34,865 anything we should be stripping the 961 00:42:34,865 --> 00:42:37,375 numbers off of the products that still have numbers. 962 00:42:37,375 --> 00:42:39,435 -Maybe they really want it to be Windows X. 963 00:42:39,911 --> 00:42:43,651 -Apple's doing that right? Apple's changing back 964 00:42:43,655 --> 00:42:45,715 -They've kind of moved to the right 965 00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:47,789 because they still have version numbers 966 00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:49,588 obviously you have to have the stuff 967 00:42:49,588 --> 00:42:51,578 behind the scenes but you know they talk 968 00:42:51,581 --> 00:42:53,531 about the new version MacOS as Sierra. 969 00:42:53,531 --> 00:42:55,801 You know and they've been doing that for 970 00:42:55,801 --> 00:42:57,581 years. I guess but they really they 971 00:42:57,588 --> 00:42:59,588 emphasize that you know it's a friendly 972 00:42:59,594 --> 00:43:01,644 name and I think that's a nicer approach 973 00:43:01,644 --> 00:43:04,584 than some godly book like H.P. product 974 00:43:04,597 --> 00:43:07,917 names or version or just not version 975 00:43:07,917 --> 00:43:10,369 numbers because numbers or even using the 976 00:43:10,369 --> 00:43:12,869 version number the name is just it's just 977 00:43:12,869 --> 00:43:15,019 it's I think that's just old fashioned 978 00:43:15,046 --> 00:43:16,366 -Yeah 979 00:43:16,404 --> 00:43:19,094 -Yeah it's kind of I mean because you have to… 980 00:43:19,094 --> 00:43:21,774 -I know especially if its the last right 981 00:43:21,794 --> 00:43:23,884 last version of something, supposedly 982 00:43:23,914 --> 00:43:26,084 -It should have just been Windows ultimate, 983 00:43:26,084 --> 00:43:28,224 Oh wait, we've already used that. Never mind! 984 00:43:28,224 --> 00:43:30,082 -Calling something the last version of 985 00:43:30,082 --> 00:43:31,862 this product is like the worst way to 986 00:43:31,862 --> 00:43:33,972 market something ever invented. You know 987 00:43:33,972 --> 00:43:35,972 this is the last version we're ever going 988 00:43:35,972 --> 00:43:37,792 to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna 989 00:43:37,792 --> 00:43:39,902 keep updating it, but this is the last one. 990 00:43:39,902 --> 00:43:42,562 –There’ll be some serious updates to it but no, this is it. 991 00:43:42,608 --> 00:43:46,608 -So it really is just not smart mart. (Sigh) I'm going to be… 992 00:43:46,608 --> 00:43:51,878 I'm going to change my name to Padre 10. I will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know 993 00:43:51,878 --> 00:43:56,498 -Actually if you can change it to 10.01. 994 00:43:56,498 --> 00:43:59,958 -There'll be updates to Padre, but this is really the final version. 995 00:43:59,958 --> 00:44:02,578 (Paul) There will always be that little hidden miss. 996 00:44:02,578 --> 00:44:04,118 (Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary. 997 00:44:04,118 --> 00:44:06,618 -Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition. 998 00:44:06,618 --> 00:44:09,568 It's ten pounds lighter but has all the features. (laughing) 999 00:44:09,591 --> 00:44:13,591 All right, we're going to bog down a bit 1000 00:44:13,591 --> 00:44:15,851 too much and it is a fun story, but there 1001 00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:18,374 is one more story that has so much fun it 1002 00:44:18,374 --> 00:44:20,924 has to be dispelled. Paul. There were 1003 00:44:20,924 --> 00:44:23,214 people screaming all over the Internet 1004 00:44:23,214 --> 00:44:25,214 that Microsoft is being the big bad by 1005 00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:28,474 trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is this true? 1006 00:44:28,488 --> 00:44:31,908 –No! And that's all we need to say about 1007 00:44:31,908 --> 00:44:35,908 that. If I could somehow make a career 1008 00:44:36,037 --> 00:44:40,037 out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I mean I just… you get into these 1009 00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:44,060 conversations of people on Twitter who 1010 00:44:44,087 --> 00:44:46,607 see these stories and they.. I think it's 1011 00:44:46,607 --> 00:44:48,807 the way conspiracy theories work right. 1012 00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:50,990 It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs 1013 00:44:51,052 --> 00:44:53,522 and so you instantly throw common sense 1014 00:44:53,522 --> 00:44:55,832 to the wind and say oh course their doing 1015 00:44:55,857 --> 00:44:57,777 this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys 1016 00:44:57,777 --> 00:45:00,077 it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe 1017 00:45:00,077 --> 00:45:02,417 upgrade the way we think about Microsoft 1018 00:45:02,417 --> 00:45:04,197 and their relationship with Linux in 1019 00:45:04,208 --> 00:45:07,448 particular. The topic and if you don't 1020 00:45:07,468 --> 00:45:09,468 know what it is I guess we should 1021 00:45:09,468 --> 00:45:11,538 probably step back a second and say that 1022 00:45:11,565 --> 00:45:13,725 somebody had discovered that a Lenovo 1023 00:45:13,725 --> 00:45:16,075 P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so 1024 00:45:16,075 --> 00:45:18,625 it's a signature P.C. and thus is running 1025 00:45:18,625 --> 00:45:21,751 something called Windows 10 signature 1026 00:45:21,751 --> 00:45:24,341 edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has 1027 00:45:24,351 --> 00:45:26,771 the magic capability of preventing Linux 1028 00:45:26,771 --> 00:45:28,701 from ever being installed in that 1029 00:45:28,701 --> 00:45:30,601 computer. That's not a capability of an 1030 00:45:30,601 --> 00:45:32,841 operating system that’s something that 1031 00:45:32,841 --> 00:45:34,801 would have to be built into the firmware 1032 00:45:34,801 --> 00:45:36,981 I guess of the computer I mean I 1033 00:45:36,981 --> 00:45:39,111 obviously there's always going to be some 1034 00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:40,961 way to brute stall anything on there but 1035 00:45:40,961 --> 00:45:43,171 you know, read it happens. There’s one of 1036 00:45:43,171 --> 00:45:45,151 the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm 1037 00:45:45,151 --> 00:45:47,171 and collected article but anyway I 1038 00:45:47,181 --> 00:45:51,181 appreciated that. But here's the thing, 1039 00:45:51,181 --> 00:45:55,181 signature P.C. is as I describe it. 1040 00:45:55,181 --> 00:45:57,341 I think the smallest province of the 1041 00:45:57,341 --> 00:45:59,931 windows empire that exists in Microsoft. 1042 00:45:59,948 --> 00:46:02,018 They have no power at all the very notion 1043 00:46:02,022 --> 00:46:04,492 that they could require a P.C. maker to 1044 00:46:04,512 --> 00:46:06,552 do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the 1045 00:46:06,552 --> 00:46:09,072 world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft 1046 00:46:09,072 --> 00:46:11,922 is not the business of blocking Linux. 1047 00:46:11,922 --> 00:46:14,449 They never really were. But it's one of 1048 00:46:14,449 --> 00:46:16,399 those things like a lot of people kind of 1049 00:46:16,399 --> 00:46:18,428 like want to believe is the case. Some 1050 00:46:18,428 --> 00:46:20,438 guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a 1051 00:46:20,438 --> 00:46:22,611 support forum somewhere and said Yeah. 1052 00:46:22,611 --> 00:46:24,671 This might this is part of our agreement 1053 00:46:24,671 --> 00:46:26,851 with Microsoft. That's not true. By the 1054 00:46:26,851 --> 00:46:28,976 way because Lenovo came out with a 1055 00:46:28,976 --> 00:46:31,186 statement and said no that's not what's 1056 00:46:31,186 --> 00:46:33,306 happening. It's one of those things like 1057 00:46:33,306 --> 00:46:34,994 you don't actually have to know the 1058 00:46:34,994 --> 00:46:36,914 answer to know the answer. It's a little 1059 00:46:36,914 --> 00:46:38,944 bit like the Skype For Life thing like if 1060 00:46:38,944 --> 00:46:40,750 you think it through. It's like this is 1061 00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:42,700 not what's happening and so I ... I'm not 1062 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,327 the one that got the statement so 1063 00:46:44,327 --> 00:46:46,337 I think it's Tech Republic. They've got the 1064 00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:49,157 statement but I did a write up about it and uh debating it… 1065 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,489 -This is just secure boot on the UEFI right?. I mean that's all it is. 1066 00:46:52,514 --> 00:46:54,344 -It's not exactly but it's that exact 1067 00:46:54,344 --> 00:46:56,444 kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one 1068 00:46:56,444 --> 00:46:58,934 of, it's probably just one Lenovo 1069 00:46:58,934 --> 00:47:02,534 computer actually but there is a Lenovo 1070 00:47:02,534 --> 00:47:04,934 computer that has a very strange raid 1071 00:47:04,934 --> 00:47:07,984 S.S.D. configuration and as people are 1072 00:47:07,984 --> 00:47:10,714 discovering if they try to clean install 1073 00:47:10,714 --> 00:47:13,014 Windows 10 on that computer it won't work 1074 00:47:13,014 --> 00:47:14,814 either. It's. It's a very unique 1075 00:47:14,814 --> 00:47:16,884 configuration. It's not part of a secret 1076 00:47:16,884 --> 00:47:18,984 cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users 1077 00:47:18,984 --> 00:47:21,294 out of their new computer but you know I 1078 00:47:21,319 --> 00:47:23,579 think I said this to Mary Jo privately or 1079 00:47:23,585 --> 00:47:25,725 maybe Brad we were I was chatting with 1080 00:47:25,725 --> 00:47:27,655 somebody earlier today and so consider 1081 00:47:27,655 --> 00:47:30,045 the market out there for people who are 1082 00:47:30,059 --> 00:47:32,319 going to buy a Windows based computer and 1083 00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,329 install Linux on it right and there is 1084 00:47:34,329 --> 00:47:36,229 some number it's a small number but the 1085 00:47:36,244 --> 00:47:38,334 some group of people do that. And now 1086 00:47:38,334 --> 00:47:40,284 let's consider the subset of those people 1087 00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:42,270 who are going to drive to a Microsoft 1088 00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:44,140 store pick it lovingly pick out their… 1089 00:47:44,158 --> 00:47:45,928 you know favorite signature P.C. 1090 00:47:45,928 --> 00:47:48,068 configuration from the store, buy it from 1091 00:47:48,071 --> 00:47:49,701 Microsoft. You know their favorite 1092 00:47:49,743 --> 00:47:52,233 company. And then put Linux on it. I mean 1093 00:47:52,233 --> 00:47:54,473 like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm 1094 00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:56,639 not saying it's not going to happen but 1095 00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,559 c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's. 1096 00:47:58,577 --> 00:48:01,697 Path to world domination we're going to 1097 00:48:01,697 --> 00:48:04,157 do it through the signature pieces that 1098 00:48:04,157 --> 00:48:05,987 nobody even knows exists at the stores 1099 00:48:06,029 --> 00:48:08,149 and you can't even find there where you 1100 00:48:08,149 --> 00:48:10,109 live. It's just the whole thing is loaded 1101 00:48:10,124 --> 00:48:12,384 it's just typical. Watching this cascade 1102 00:48:12,404 --> 00:48:14,644 across the Internet today. It's just as 1103 00:48:14,992 --> 00:48:19,922 depressing. That's just so typical. You know 1104 00:48:21,324 --> 00:48:23,614 - It destroys your faith in humanity 1105 00:48:23,913 --> 00:48:27,913 -Or reconfirms my belief that we're all idiots. I mean it's just it's sad. 1106 00:48:31,211 --> 00:48:34,301 -And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I 1107 00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:36,569 can't remember what they call it it's 1108 00:48:36,569 --> 00:48:38,819 like software services but then on boot 1109 00:48:38,819 --> 00:48:42,819 up you actually get the option of what 1110 00:48:42,833 --> 00:48:46,833 packages you want to install. So you could make it a signature… 1111 00:48:46,851 --> 00:48:47,841 -You mean..? 1112 00:48:47,894 --> 00:48:49,244 -All the crapware. 1113 00:48:49,348 --> 00:48:52,998 -That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the 1114 00:48:53,053 --> 00:48:55,353 only P.C. makers starting to do that kind 1115 00:48:55,393 --> 00:48:56,953 of a thing and I really like this 1116 00:48:56,953 --> 00:48:59,293 approach it's because it's something P.C. 1117 00:48:59,313 --> 00:49:01,733 makers are not familiar with called customer centricity. 1118 00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:04,383 You know H.P.’s newer machines will do 1119 00:49:04,383 --> 00:49:06,793 the same thing and in the past you get a 1120 00:49:06,793 --> 00:49:08,963 bunch of utilities and things running in 1121 00:49:08,963 --> 00:49:11,643 the tray and whatever was. Now you have 1122 00:49:11,643 --> 00:49:13,973 to seek out those applications and at the 1123 00:49:13,983 --> 00:49:16,073 time that you run it. It says hey we have 1124 00:49:16,073 --> 00:49:18,623 this tray thing we can put it and you 1125 00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:21,393 want to use it and if you say no that's 1126 00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:23,813 in the end of it you know and that's the 1127 00:49:23,813 --> 00:49:26,583 way things should be you know don't you think. Yeah so. 1128 00:49:27,806 --> 00:49:30,306 -Well it sure beats me having to spend the 1129 00:49:30,306 --> 00:49:32,333 first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life 1130 00:49:32,333 --> 00:49:34,653 uninstalling everything that came pre-installed. 1131 00:49:35,416 --> 00:49:39,416 -Yes right. Actually we will never be 1132 00:49:39,416 --> 00:49:42,394 deemed intelligent beings by future 1133 00:49:42,394 --> 00:49:44,408 civilizations because of things like this. 1134 00:49:44,408 --> 00:49:46,338 It's like when you buy an electronic 1135 00:49:46,338 --> 00:49:48,288 device and spend the first thirty minutes 1136 00:49:48,288 --> 00:49:50,158 updating the software or when you buy a 1137 00:49:50,158 --> 00:49:52,028 smartphone and you install apps and you 1138 00:49:52,028 --> 00:49:53,888 spend the next seven days removing or 1139 00:49:53,888 --> 00:49:55,748 changing notifications or like what you 1140 00:49:55,748 --> 00:49:57,478 just said you buy a new P.C. and the 1141 00:49:57,478 --> 00:49:59,328 first thing you do is take things away 1142 00:49:59,331 --> 00:50:01,041 from it. It's like this is so counter 1143 00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:03,181 intuitive and counterproductive and 1144 00:50:03,198 --> 00:50:05,548 yet we just sort of sort of accept that 1145 00:50:05,548 --> 00:50:07,228 this is the way it is you know. 1146 00:50:07,257 --> 00:50:09,397 -That's what makes me so sad that 1147 00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:11,687 signature seems to be kind of not an 1148 00:50:11,702 --> 00:50:13,372 emphasis anymore because I 1149 00:50:13,372 --> 00:50:15,392 remember when I got my Acer S7 it 1150 00:50:15,392 --> 00:50:17,252 came to me as a signature device and I 1151 00:50:17,252 --> 00:50:19,112 didn't even know it was going to and it 1152 00:50:19,112 --> 00:50:20,732 was such a different experience. 1153 00:50:20,732 --> 00:50:22,972 -Oh yes by the way. So let's see four 1154 00:50:22,972 --> 00:50:25,362 years ago this month. Microsoft opened 1155 00:50:25,362 --> 00:50:28,272 their store in Boston and I bought the 1156 00:50:28,272 --> 00:50:30,462 very first computer that was sold at that 1157 00:50:30,462 --> 00:50:33,092 store which is a fifteen inch Samsung Ultra Book. 1158 00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:36,519 It was one of the last Windows 7 computers 1159 00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:38,853 they sold right because Windows 8 came out. 1160 00:50:38,853 --> 00:50:42,193 Thirty or forty five days later and to this day 1161 00:50:42,193 --> 00:50:45,413 when I restore that thing and it goes back 1162 00:50:45,413 --> 00:50:47,603 to that clean Windows 7 signature edition 1163 00:50:47,603 --> 00:50:50,783 thing with beautiful wallpaper and you 1164 00:50:50,783 --> 00:50:52,853 know no crap anywhere it's still like this 1165 00:50:52,853 --> 00:50:56,853 calming almost transcendental moment like 1166 00:50:56,863 --> 00:50:59,783 you open the thing up And you’re like nice! 1167 00:50:59,783 --> 00:51:01,623 You know and that's not the reaction 1168 00:51:01,623 --> 00:51:03,843 typically happen with P.C. right? It's too bad 1169 00:51:04,366 --> 00:51:06,976 -I mean seriously there is something about 1170 00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:09,590 having to do a hard restore where you to 1171 00:51:09,591 --> 00:51:11,841 go back to the factory disks and you know 1172 00:51:11,848 --> 00:51:13,696 yeah when any time you do that there's 1173 00:51:13,696 --> 00:51:15,746 going to be hours and hours if not days of 1174 00:51:15,746 --> 00:51:17,656 updates it's going to have to go through 1175 00:51:17,656 --> 00:51:19,836 round & round & round but that's not 1176 00:51:19,844 --> 00:51:21,874 the infuriating part for me because that I 1177 00:51:21,874 --> 00:51:23,284 can just leave off in the corner. 1178 00:51:23,284 --> 00:51:25,584 The infuriating part is I know I'm already 1179 00:51:25,584 --> 00:51:27,894 going to have an anti-virus it's going to 1180 00:51:27,903 --> 00:51:29,813 take five restarts to fully get rid of 1181 00:51:29,824 --> 00:51:32,134 because it just sticks in there and you 1182 00:51:32,147 --> 00:51:34,227 have to do a little bit of registry editing 1183 00:51:34,236 --> 00:51:36,776 to get rid of the stuff that doesn't uninstall at all. 1184 00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:39,130 -I know we've talked about this on the pod 1185 00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:41,548 cast whatever. You know some months ago 1186 00:51:41,548 --> 00:51:43,765 but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary 1187 00:51:43,765 --> 00:51:45,895 update there's a new tool it's not actually 1188 00:51:45,895 --> 00:51:47,875 included in the O. S. but it's linked to 1189 00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:49,890 from the O. S. And so I think people are 1190 00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:51,890 probably familiar with the reset your P.C. 1191 00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:54,079 functionality of that they viewed in Windows 8 1192 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,209 also available in Windows 10. Thing is if 1193 00:51:56,209 --> 00:51:58,529 you use that on a P.C. that came from a 1194 00:51:58,529 --> 00:52:00,839 P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s. 1195 00:52:00,847 --> 00:52:04,347 The P.C. maker can edit that image that's 1196 00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:08,350 installed so the crap all comes back right 1197 00:52:08,350 --> 00:52:10,710 when you reset the P.C. you get the crap. 1198 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:13,230 But there's a separate tool called refresh 1199 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,220 Windows it's linked to from the same place 1200 00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:17,340 in the settings up in Windows 10 with the 1201 00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:19,690 anniversary update. You download the tool 1202 00:52:19,692 --> 00:52:22,072 it downloads Windows 10 it's a clean version 1203 00:52:22,074 --> 00:52:24,174 of Windows 10 and then you can install 1204 00:52:24,174 --> 00:52:26,414 that and then so instead of getting the 1205 00:52:26,414 --> 00:52:28,374 crapware laden version you might get from 1206 00:52:28,374 --> 00:52:30,574 say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo 1207 00:52:30,575 --> 00:52:32,905 whatever you get Microsoft's clean image 1208 00:52:32,913 --> 00:52:34,906 right. And so the pro there is you don't 1209 00:52:34,906 --> 00:52:37,596 get the stuff you're talking about like the Anti-Virus 1210 00:52:37,596 --> 00:52:39,786 whatever stupid utilities people put on there. 1211 00:52:39,786 --> 00:52:42,056 The minus side is you may not get the 1212 00:52:42,056 --> 00:52:44,686 driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably 1213 00:52:44,686 --> 00:52:47,006 Dell have decent utilities for keeping 1214 00:52:47,006 --> 00:52:48,876 that particular machine up to date with 1215 00:52:48,876 --> 00:52:51,016 drivers for example you don't get that thing. 1216 00:52:51,016 --> 00:52:52,926 And so you might have to do a little bit 1217 00:52:52,926 --> 00:52:54,732 of extra work if you want some of that 1218 00:52:54,732 --> 00:52:56,592 stuff or if you need it you know if you 1219 00:52:56,592 --> 00:52:58,462 look in device manager and some of your 1220 00:52:58,462 --> 00:53:00,422 stuff hasn't been recognized you know you 1221 00:53:00,422 --> 00:53:02,192 might find yourself going to the HP 1222 00:53:02,192 --> 00:53:04,172 or Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and 1223 00:53:04,178 --> 00:53:06,298 downloading the drivers but at least you 1224 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:08,419 have that option now. And so I think that's 1225 00:53:08,439 --> 00:53:11,329 lot closer to a signature P.C. type experience 1226 00:53:11,776 --> 00:53:15,776 except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR 1227 00:53:15,776 --> 00:53:17,876 exact computer which was the 1228 00:53:17,876 --> 00:53:19,106 point of signature. 1229 00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:25,280 -If anyone wants an almost Signature Series 1230 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,040 just buy the retail version of the 1231 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,460 operating system and that's what you get 1232 00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:32,560 and yeah it sounds stupid but it really 1233 00:53:32,563 --> 00:53:34,733 there is something that is so nice about 1234 00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,673 starting the P.C. and realizing the only 1235 00:53:36,673 --> 00:53:39,173 thing on here is the bare O. S. everything 1236 00:53:39,173 --> 00:53:42,203 that gets added on is my choice. 1237 00:53:42,426 --> 00:53:44,746 -And that's by the way another thing I 1238 00:53:44,746 --> 00:53:47,046 think we all do with these devices doesn't 1239 00:53:47,047 --> 00:53:49,156 matter what you're talking about a phone, 1240 00:53:49,156 --> 00:53:51,151 tablet, computer. That first day you 1241 00:53:51,151 --> 00:53:53,151 install the things you know you need right 1242 00:53:53,151 --> 00:53:54,831 Just the absolute necessity. 1243 00:53:54,885 --> 00:53:57,775 -Yeah for example I need to install chrome. 1244 00:53:57,775 --> 00:54:00,965 -Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only 1245 00:54:00,984 --> 00:54:03,994 reason it exist. Over time as you use the 1246 00:54:03,994 --> 00:54:06,334 device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet 1247 00:54:06,334 --> 00:54:09,174 whatever you realize oh wait I need this 1248 00:54:09,174 --> 00:54:11,594 thing too and it spirals right so over 1249 00:54:11,594 --> 00:54:13,794 time you fill the thing up and you. You 1250 00:54:13,794 --> 00:54:15,794 know there's a bunch of junk on there but 1251 00:54:15,794 --> 00:54:17,664 those first couple days are wonderful. 1252 00:54:17,664 --> 00:54:20,024 It's like the. You know the out of box 1253 00:54:20,029 --> 00:54:22,249 thing is kind of like it should be. I mean 1254 00:54:22,249 --> 00:54:24,229 it's not always with the P.C. If you get 1255 00:54:24,229 --> 00:54:26,919 the wrong kind but you know that's what it is. 1256 00:54:26,919 --> 00:54:29,389 And we kind of try to recapture that magic 1257 00:54:29,389 --> 00:54:32,099 every once in a while. Let's reset it back a little. 1258 00:54:34,483 --> 00:54:36,863 -But we do have to talk about the layoffs 1259 00:54:36,866 --> 00:54:38,776 at some point because it is a big story 1260 00:54:38,776 --> 00:54:41,426 and it's not it's not it's not totally unexpected right? 1261 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,860 –Right! -We saw this. 1262 00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:48,440 -Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of 1263 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,350 people forgot but in July Microsoft 1264 00:54:50,350 --> 00:54:53,460 announced during S.E.C. filing that they're 1265 00:54:53,477 --> 00:54:55,937 going to be laying off. Almost 3,000 1266 00:54:55,963 --> 00:54:58,573 more people this fiscal year which is 1267 00:54:58,644 --> 00:55:01,474 their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there 1268 00:55:01,474 --> 00:55:04,014 was a report by the Financial Times that 1269 00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:06,630 Microsoft was closing Skype London and I 1270 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:09,240 saw some people report this says and 1271 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,970 laying off 400 people but actually the 1272 00:55:11,970 --> 00:55:14,220 number that Microsoft is laying off is 1273 00:55:14,234 --> 00:55:18,234 closer to 230, I think?! I called them and 1274 00:55:18,234 --> 00:55:20,834 asked them how many people is it and they 1275 00:55:20,852 --> 00:55:22,992 said it's about 230 and that's a combination 1276 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,230 of people who work for both Skype and Yammer in London. 1277 00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:28,860 Some people be moved to the Paddington 1278 00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:31,120 office some are just going to be let go. 1279 00:55:31,126 --> 00:55:33,876 They also last week. Paul and I kinda were 1280 00:55:33,877 --> 00:55:36,207 catching bits and pieces of this through 1281 00:55:36,207 --> 00:55:38,567 Facebook because we saw different people 1282 00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:40,547 we knew posting to Facebook that they had 1283 00:55:40,547 --> 00:55:42,617 been cut but they cut another 300 people 1284 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,070 on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound 1285 00:55:45,070 --> 00:55:47,340 Redmond area and a few people from other 1286 00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,060 geographies around the world. These 500+ 1287 00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:55,060 layoffs that happened last week are part 1288 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:58,670 of that 2850 that they announced in July. 1289 00:55:58,694 --> 00:56:01,024 This isn't a new group of people who 1290 00:56:01,035 --> 00:56:03,475 didn't you know who Microsoft said and 1291 00:56:03,475 --> 00:56:05,765 we’re adding another 500. These are people 1292 00:56:05,765 --> 00:56:08,175 all different divisions not all concentrated 1293 00:56:08,175 --> 00:56:10,235 in one division. Except for the Skype and 1294 00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:12,476 yammer part that are being let go across 1295 00:56:12,476 --> 00:56:15,176 the company. Microsoft's definitely 1296 00:56:15,176 --> 00:56:17,586 continuing to tighten, you know belt 1297 00:56:17,586 --> 00:56:19,716 tight, doing belt tightening across the 1298 00:56:19,716 --> 00:56:21,636 company getting rid of people before the 1299 00:56:21,636 --> 00:56:23,686 layoffs were largely Windows phone related 1300 00:56:23,686 --> 00:56:25,956 and Windows Mobile these new ones are not 1301 00:56:25,956 --> 00:56:28,316 because they pretty much laid off all of 1302 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,729 those people originally it was a bunch of 1303 00:56:30,729 --> 00:56:32,519 the Microsoft sales people because they 1304 00:56:32,529 --> 00:56:34,382 had a sales reorg this year when Kevin 1305 00:56:34,382 --> 00:56:36,302 Turner left. Now we're getting into the 1306 00:56:36,302 --> 00:56:38,112 product areas some people in Windows, 1307 00:56:38,112 --> 00:56:40,622 some in Office , people across different parts of 1308 00:56:40,622 --> 00:56:43,062 the company. So if you hear about layoffs that 1309 00:56:43,062 --> 00:56:45,372 happened recently that is what happened. 1310 00:56:46,504 --> 00:56:48,614 -Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are 1311 00:56:48,614 --> 00:56:50,854 heads down right now. Not necessarily 1312 00:56:50,854 --> 00:56:52,994 because they're fearing this round but 1313 00:56:52,994 --> 00:56:54,944 because they realize you know what 1314 00:56:54,944 --> 00:56:57,204 Microsoft is actually, they're not doing 1315 00:56:57,204 --> 00:56:59,874 the cutthroat competition anymore but they 1316 00:56:59,882 --> 00:57:02,822 are looking to the various departments and 1317 00:57:02,824 --> 00:57:04,854 finding out “Do you have any personnel 1318 00:57:04,854 --> 00:57:07,034 that have not really contributed anything 1319 00:57:07,034 --> 00:57:08,454 in the last five years?” 1320 00:57:08,462 --> 00:57:10,992 -I think the H.R. term for these people is dead wood?! 1321 00:57:10,999 --> 00:57:13,069 -Yeah and it's always difficult to talk 1322 00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:15,919 about someone like that but if you've been 1323 00:57:15,919 --> 00:57:18,959 at a company for twenty years. And you 1324 00:57:18,959 --> 00:57:20,965 haven't really been challenged or maybe 1325 00:57:20,965 --> 00:57:22,790 you've become really really cynical it 1326 00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:24,740 might be time to move on. I've seen that. 1327 00:57:24,904 --> 00:57:27,204 -In over the past year or two as we talk 1328 00:57:27,204 --> 00:57:29,184 about layoffs obviously there's the human 1329 00:57:29,184 --> 00:57:31,224 side to it. It's always very tragic people 1330 00:57:31,224 --> 00:57:33,364 to lose their jobs but looking at the 1331 00:57:33,364 --> 00:57:35,534 company from sort of a Microsoft watching 1332 00:57:35,534 --> 00:57:38,014 perspective I think Mary Jo would agree 1333 00:57:38,014 --> 00:57:40,384 this is a very big and in some ways still 1334 00:57:40,384 --> 00:57:42,384 bloated company with lots of levels of 1335 00:57:42,384 --> 00:57:44,514 hierarchy and management so forth and… 1336 00:57:44,514 --> 00:57:48,384 You know the people I know personally for 1337 00:57:48,384 --> 00:57:50,924 Microsoft are to one very smart people 1338 00:57:50,924 --> 00:57:53,304 they do want to change the world but I 1339 00:57:53,304 --> 00:57:55,574 think the system they're in might be a 1340 00:57:55,574 --> 00:57:59,574 little too big and complex. You know for 1341 00:57:59,574 --> 00:58:02,704 things to happen so it's possible that the 1342 00:58:02,704 --> 00:58:05,774 Dell is making these changes like many of 1343 00:58:05,774 --> 00:58:08,744 the changes is made to speed response time 1344 00:58:08,744 --> 00:58:10,874 make sure they're focusing on the right 1345 00:58:10,884 --> 00:58:12,764 things and all that kind of stuff so. 1346 00:58:12,808 --> 00:58:15,578 -SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all 1347 00:58:15,578 --> 00:58:17,988 their downsizing their way to success and 1348 00:58:17,988 --> 00:58:19,908 I know it's very easy to see it that way 1349 00:58:19,908 --> 00:58:21,908 but there's another view and if you take a 1350 00:58:21,908 --> 00:58:23,948 step back. You can actually see it. I know 1351 00:58:23,948 --> 00:58:25,978 Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is 1352 00:58:25,978 --> 00:58:28,268 because you cover Microsoft so deeply but 1353 00:58:28,268 --> 00:58:31,238 especially during the Bomber years. There 1354 00:58:31,238 --> 00:58:33,818 were little fiefdoms that developed in 1355 00:58:33,818 --> 00:58:36,328 Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about 1356 00:58:36,328 --> 00:58:38,348 how many employees were under your 1357 00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:41,248 thumb and so you had these… (Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it? 1358 00:58:41,248 --> 00:58:43,294 You had these little princes who are 1359 00:58:43,294 --> 00:58:45,354 accumulating kingdoms not really caring 1360 00:58:45,354 --> 00:58:47,474 about the productivity they were getting 1361 00:58:47,474 --> 00:58:49,464 out of people they were just cared about 1362 00:58:49,464 --> 00:58:51,974 how many people they were in charge of and .. 1363 00:58:51,974 --> 00:58:54,254 -There's actually another side to this 1364 00:58:54,254 --> 00:58:58,254 with power comes the ability to influence 1365 00:58:58,254 --> 00:59:01,244 direction and I always think back to this 1366 00:59:01,244 --> 00:59:03,484 one example. I'm not saying that this 1367 00:59:03,484 --> 00:59:05,814 product would have been successful but at 1368 00:59:05,814 --> 00:59:08,134 the time when Steven Sinofsky was running 1369 00:59:08,134 --> 00:59:10,314 the Office group there was a project that 1370 00:59:10,314 --> 00:59:12,250 came up from I don't remember what group 1371 00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:14,510 it was but it was in Office but it was basically 1372 00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:16,390 an attempt to put Office in the Cloud at 1373 00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:18,265 the time they didn’t it called the cloud 1374 00:59:18,265 --> 00:59:20,235 but it's called Net docs and he killed it 1375 00:59:20,235 --> 00:59:22,725 because it competed with Office right and 1376 00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:25,195 the theory here is that Microsoft might 1377 00:59:25,195 --> 00:59:27,435 have come out with something that was 1378 00:59:27,435 --> 00:59:29,935 Google Docs and all that stuff years earlier. 1379 00:59:29,935 --> 00:59:32,675 If they just hadn't been so or if the people 1380 00:59:32,675 --> 00:59:35,305 in power hadn't been so concerned about 1381 00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:37,835 protecting their products. You know that 1382 00:59:37,844 --> 00:59:40,144 you couldn't compete with something like 1383 00:59:40,144 --> 00:59:42,534 Windows or Office if you did that you were 1384 00:59:42,536 --> 00:59:45,096 out you had to support that right. Now, 1385 00:59:45,096 --> 00:59:47,596 it's possible and probable that Net Docs 1386 00:59:47,596 --> 00:59:49,896 was a joke that it was based on Active-X. 1387 00:59:49,896 --> 00:59:51,856 that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know 1388 00:59:51,856 --> 00:59:53,816 but you know but that's the type of thing 1389 00:59:53,816 --> 00:59:56,076 that happens in that kind of organization. 1390 00:59:56,090 --> 00:59:58,040 -Plus you know we've talked about this a 1391 00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,900 lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these 1392 00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:02,440 days is very different from the old Microsoft you know 1393 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,380 Windows was the main cash cow of 1394 01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:07,000 Microsoft for years now everything has to 1395 01:00:07,002 --> 01:00:08,932 be about the Cloud for them and the 1396 01:00:08,932 --> 01:00:11,442 shareholders want that, The Wall Street 1397 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:13,572 analysts want that. So if you're working 1398 01:00:13,572 --> 01:00:15,662 in a group that's Windows related. You 1399 01:00:15,662 --> 01:00:17,572 know they're definitely kind of putting 1400 01:00:17,572 --> 01:00:19,692 the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're 1401 01:00:19,693 --> 01:00:21,683 doing something that's more Cloud focus 1402 01:00:21,689 --> 01:00:24,209 Enterprise focused. Something that's about 1403 01:00:24,209 --> 01:00:26,719 collaboration teamwork that kind of gives 1404 01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:29,429 you an edge and I think it's also just about 1405 01:00:29,429 --> 01:00:33,429 job kind of… not restructuring but more 1406 01:00:33,429 --> 01:00:36,659 just like changing of the emphasis set at 1407 01:00:36,662 --> 01:00:38,912 about what matters. And what's going to 1408 01:00:38,912 --> 01:00:40,872 make the money for Microsoft right. 1409 01:00:40,872 --> 01:00:43,732 So some of that's a play too. 1410 01:00:43,732 --> 01:00:45,942 -You know I think we talked about this on 1411 01:00:45,942 --> 01:00:47,933 Windows weekly. The notion you know the 1412 01:00:47,933 --> 01:00:50,003 new newer surface devices say Microsoft on 1413 01:00:50,003 --> 01:00:52,143 the right. And this one Microsoft notion 1414 01:00:52,143 --> 01:00:54,333 that we're moving forward as one company 1415 01:00:54,333 --> 01:00:56,983 not as the you know the guns pointed at 1416 01:00:56,983 --> 01:00:59,233 each other all the little fiefdoms that we 1417 01:00:59,233 --> 01:01:01,683 were just talking about you know it's a new way for 1418 01:01:01,683 --> 01:01:04,393 Microsoft. You know a new way of doing things 1419 01:01:04,393 --> 01:01:06,463 -Right and that's why I actually still I'm 1420 01:01:06,468 --> 01:01:08,468 very bullish on Microsoft I love what 1421 01:01:08,479 --> 01:01:10,609 Nadella has done that idea of taking down 1422 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:12,940 the ramparts and making the little princes 1423 01:01:12,945 --> 01:01:15,015 actually work with one another. Yeah it 1424 01:01:15,015 --> 01:01:17,125 doesn't work any other way. Although… 1425 01:01:17,125 --> 01:01:19,475 (Paul) Change is hard though because you 1426 01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:21,755 know externally. I agree with you right. 1427 01:01:21,755 --> 01:01:25,755 I think this stuff is necessary. It's exciting for Microsoft as 1428 01:01:25,759 --> 01:01:28,439 a company that in many ways to become so 1429 01:01:28,439 --> 01:01:31,619 calcified you know for to see them reacting 1430 01:01:31,635 --> 01:01:34,385 to things quickly and moving quickly as it 1431 01:01:34,405 --> 01:01:37,025 it's very exciting in hitting that the right 1432 01:01:37,025 --> 01:01:39,595 products and things but I know from 1433 01:01:39,595 --> 01:01:42,195 personal experience with different people 1434 01:01:42,195 --> 01:01:45,115 that this change is very hard for some of 1435 01:01:45,117 --> 01:01:47,337 the people there's. And not just the ones 1436 01:01:47,337 --> 01:01:50,097 who've been let go now. But just people 1437 01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:52,627 who see projects just disappearing. 1438 01:01:53,303 --> 01:01:55,673 -But then there's some other people who 1439 01:01:55,673 --> 01:01:57,913 the opposites true like they've been 1440 01:01:57,913 --> 01:01:59,873 chomping at the bit for ever to like work 1441 01:01:59,873 --> 01:02:02,193 with teams across teams and they're like 1442 01:02:02,193 --> 01:02:04,223 oh finally they're letting us talk to each 1443 01:02:04,223 --> 01:02:05,913 other before and that wasn't really 1444 01:02:05,913 --> 01:02:07,883 encouraged or even allowed right. 1445 01:02:07,883 --> 01:02:09,883 So those people are really happy. 1446 01:02:09,883 --> 01:02:12,083 - Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky 1447 01:02:12,083 --> 01:02:14,083 but what the heck. You know when they did 1448 01:02:14,083 --> 01:02:16,103 Windows 8, right. They went to the Windows 1449 01:02:16,103 --> 01:02:17,883 Phone team and said show us the Metro 1450 01:02:17,883 --> 01:02:19,883 stuff and they say here you go and for the 1451 01:02:19,883 --> 01:02:21,863 Windows Phone perspectives thought great! 1452 01:02:21,863 --> 01:02:23,873 We're going to collaborate with these guys 1453 01:02:23,873 --> 01:02:25,893 we're going to come out with this cohesive 1454 01:02:25,893 --> 01:02:27,823 system. Nope they never talked again you 1455 01:02:27,823 --> 01:02:29,643 know the Windows Phone guys are always 1456 01:02:29,643 --> 01:02:31,463 the B. team to the Windows guys now in 1457 01:02:31,463 --> 01:02:33,613 Windows 10 with him gone and you know 1458 01:02:33,613 --> 01:02:35,523 different people in place that is what's 1459 01:02:35,523 --> 01:02:38,303 happening but it happens. Three to five years too late. 1460 01:02:38,303 --> 01:02:40,753 This is stuff that should have happened 1461 01:02:40,753 --> 01:02:42,763 on day one. These thing should have 1462 01:02:42,763 --> 01:02:44,913 evolved together. You know you could have 1463 01:02:44,913 --> 01:02:47,163 made the case back in I guess we're 1464 01:02:47,163 --> 01:02:50,043 talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that 1465 01:02:50,043 --> 01:02:53,303 Windows Phone had been in market at 1466 01:02:53,303 --> 01:02:56,133 mature to some point. If you're going to 1467 01:02:56,133 --> 01:02:58,993 go to market with an R. T. style tablet device. 1468 01:02:58,993 --> 01:03:01,413 It should have been Windows Phone O.S. 1469 01:03:01,413 --> 01:03:03,543 it was already there. It had to Apps. It 1470 01:03:03,545 --> 01:03:05,465 was all there but no they started over 1471 01:03:05,465 --> 01:03:08,075 from scratch. They created another Windows 1472 01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:10,515 system that ran out arm. Instead of you 1473 01:03:10,515 --> 01:03:13,875 know basing it on the thing they really had very strange. 1474 01:03:14,743 --> 01:03:17,373 -About ten years ago I had a contact in 1475 01:03:17,373 --> 01:03:20,313 the Xbox division and a contact in the 1476 01:03:20,313 --> 01:03:23,043 Windows division and we had a weird 1477 01:03:23,043 --> 01:03:25,353 exchange of the course of six weeks where 1478 01:03:25,353 --> 01:03:27,253 basically they were using me as an 1479 01:03:27,253 --> 01:03:29,533 intermediary to pass messages. I was like 1480 01:03:29,533 --> 01:03:33,073 you work literally 400 yards away from each other 1481 01:03:33,085 --> 01:03:34,625 What's going on here? 1482 01:03:34,629 --> 01:03:36,749 -Oh by the way if they're still there and 1483 01:03:36,749 --> 01:03:38,689 on same teams they all work for the same 1484 01:03:38,689 --> 01:03:40,289 guy I know -Exactly, exactly. 1485 01:03:40,289 --> 01:03:41,669 -That's one organization now. 1486 01:03:41,669 --> 01:03:43,719 -That's why they were emailing through me. 1487 01:03:43,723 --> 01:03:45,723 They're like we can't be seen to be emailing 1488 01:03:45,723 --> 01:03:47,693 one another. Someone will see it and get 1489 01:03:47,693 --> 01:03:49,723 really upset I was thinking that is so 1490 01:03:49,723 --> 01:03:52,763 dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of triangulation ever. 1491 01:03:53,354 --> 01:03:55,834 -Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember 1492 01:03:55,834 --> 01:03:58,294 when he was the chief scientist or whatever 1493 01:03:58,294 --> 01:04:01,124 to the chief software architect. 1494 01:04:01,124 --> 01:04:04,624 You know he allowed teams to compete on 1495 01:04:04,717 --> 01:04:07,907 you know file sync technologies and things 1496 01:04:07,907 --> 01:04:11,317 like that and instead of determining you 1497 01:04:11,317 --> 01:04:13,857 know that you're the best ideas from each 1498 01:04:13,857 --> 01:04:15,987 group let's make one thing you know you 1499 01:04:15,987 --> 01:04:18,117 allow this internal competition to occur 1500 01:04:18,117 --> 01:04:20,807 and what happens on the outside is you see 1501 01:04:20,807 --> 01:04:23,037 that they have three different file sync 1502 01:04:23,037 --> 01:04:25,347 solutions at the time or four and which 1503 01:04:25,347 --> 01:04:28,107 one do I take a bet on and why are there 1504 01:04:28,123 --> 01:04:30,503 so many and doesn't the show a lack of 1505 01:04:30,503 --> 01:04:32,993 leadership. You know and I'm sure there 1506 01:04:32,993 --> 01:04:35,913 are management strategies or theories that 1507 01:04:35,966 --> 01:04:38,956 this is a good way to do things but we 1508 01:04:38,956 --> 01:04:41,546 know from experience with this particular 1509 01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:44,000 subject that you know that didn't go very 1510 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,040 well. And eventually it all became OneDrive 1511 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,330 you know but for several years there were 1512 01:04:49,330 --> 01:04:51,430 many, many different solutions. 1513 01:04:51,443 --> 01:04:53,275 -There were. I remember when all those 1514 01:04:53,275 --> 01:04:55,165 think engines were out there and it was 1515 01:04:55,165 --> 01:04:57,173 like it was a time I should think you like 1516 01:04:57,173 --> 01:04:59,203 which one are they talking about right now 1517 01:04:59,203 --> 01:05:01,103 -I'm not going to remember all of them. 1518 01:05:01,103 --> 01:05:02,363 -No there are a lot 1519 01:05:02,363 --> 01:05:04,753 -I mean now there is Windows Live Sync, and uhh.. 1520 01:05:04,753 --> 01:05:07,243 -There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was 1521 01:05:07,243 --> 01:05:08,973 doing a whole different sync thing. 1522 01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:11,643 -You know it's like a mosh pits theory of 1523 01:05:11,643 --> 01:05:15,123 management like let them fight it out 1524 01:05:16,463 --> 01:05:18,900 -I prefer the days of active sync where 1525 01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:20,970 there was active sync and then active sync 1526 01:05:20,970 --> 01:05:23,070 for mobile and active scene for enterprise 1527 01:05:23,070 --> 01:05:25,980 active sync for exchange because that really 1528 01:05:25,980 --> 01:05:28,550 made it. You know very easy to understand. 1529 01:05:28,550 --> 01:05:30,910 -What do you call it when you reuse an 1530 01:05:30,910 --> 01:05:32,870 acronym? What is that called? Uh, You 1531 01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:34,890 double it up or whatever it's like they 1532 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:36,780 did that with active sync was which is 1533 01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:38,870 over used. You know as a term. 1534 01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:40,870 -Someone just thought it sounded like a 1535 01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:42,820 really cool name so they wanted to use it 1536 01:05:42,820 --> 01:05:45,050 on as many products as possible and it 1537 01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:47,340 took me a while to realize that two products 1538 01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,110 that were called Active Sync actually 1539 01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:51,600 had… it was no sharing of the code base between them 1540 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,950 -Those guys probably hated each other. 1541 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:55,920 -Yes. Well because it was the exchange 1542 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,340 side and then it was the mobile side and they didn't, 1543 01:05:58,340 --> 01:06:00,850 I mean, they were competing with each other. 1544 01:06:00,854 --> 01:06:02,734 -I remember the spinning green circle 1545 01:06:02,734 --> 01:06:05,384 very well I still have nightmares about it. (Laughing) 1546 01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:09,420 And that's what happens when you build a 1547 01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:11,950 dysfunctional company. All right. When we 1548 01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:14,030 come back. What's going to be? Wearables? 1549 01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:16,240 Ignite?. What do we want to talk about? 1550 01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:17,960 - Ignite? You mean like the Note 7? 1551 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,620 -Yeah (Laughing) It's too soon, too soon man. 1552 01:06:21,669 --> 01:06:23,849 - I think, let's do wearables because 1553 01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:26,349 everybody wants to know what's going on with the Band 1554 01:06:26,404 --> 01:06:28,784 -Of course. So we'll be banding up in 1555 01:06:28,784 --> 01:06:31,034 just a bit but first let's go and take 1556 01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,069 another break. Because we need to thank 1557 01:06:33,069 --> 01:06:34,909 another sponsor of Windows Weekly. 1558 01:06:34,953 --> 01:06:37,333 Hey folks, do you read? Of course you 1559 01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:39,707 read but you probably don't read as much 1560 01:06:39,707 --> 01:06:41,897 as you want to. 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Now to 1614 01:08:37,498 --> 01:08:39,578 download this audio book for free or 1615 01:08:39,578 --> 01:08:42,868 another one of your choice you can go to audible.com/windows. 1616 01:08:42,868 --> 01:08:44,918 That's audible.com/windows, of course, 1617 01:08:44,918 --> 01:08:47,048 I don't want to give you just my pick. 1618 01:08:47,048 --> 01:08:49,038 I know this is supposed to come later 1619 01:08:49,038 --> 01:08:51,038 in the show but Paul, you're a big 1620 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,940 audio book listener as well, Yes? 1621 01:08:52,940 --> 01:08:55,150 (Paul) Maybe?! (Fa Bellencer) Maybe?! 1622 01:08:55,157 --> 01:08:58,105 You were teasing me with a pick that was 1623 01:08:58,105 --> 01:08:59,325 going to change my life. 1624 01:08:59,351 --> 01:09:03,351 -Well you know I liked, uh, I like 1625 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 personal tech industry picks from 1626 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 possible there really aren't that many 1627 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really good ones. We talked about Masters of Doom, 1628 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is story about the ID software 1629 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 guys read by Wil Wheaton, which is fantastic. 1630 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I had recommended that one sometime ago. 1631 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Someone who listened to it loved it, and 1632 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 recommended one back to me, I bought it. 1633 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I haven't actually started it yet but 1634 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is the next book it's called Console Wars. 1635 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Sega, Nintendo and the battle that 1636 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to find a generation and if you think 1637 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 back to the history of video games in 1638 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 particular I think the, I think, I mean 1639 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe I'm wrong here but the Nintendo 1640 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Sega stuff of the late 80’s, early 90's 1641 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is kind of the second major generation of 1642 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 video games you know Atari, Odyssey, 1643 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Intellivision, Coleco Vision, etc being 1644 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the first generation. 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You need to 1658 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 try Audible.com and we thank Audible for 1659 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their support of Windows Weekly. 1660 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 OK, So we've got some Wearables I did see 1661 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a few of these in Berlin and they looked, 1662 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they looked wearable, they looked 1663 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 interesting. But should I be excited Mary Jo? 1664 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I you know I still I'm, I don't have a 1665 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 smart watch. I did use the Microsoft band 1666 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for a bit of time and I thought it was 1667 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 OK, I use the band too but I'm I still 1668 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 haven't really seen any wearable device 1669 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I'm like, Yes, I would pay that, I 1670 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 would wear that. And now if you are a fan 1671 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of Microsoft band. We talked last week on 1672 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the show that we had heard some rumors 1673 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that Microsoft may be no longer making 1674 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the band after band two. Right after the 1675 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 show ended, a day later we found out that 1676 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft was rebranding the Microsoft 1677 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Health application to Band. So people who 1678 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are downloading the Microsoft updates to 1679 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Microsoft Health application for IOS, 1680 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Android and Windows, were seeing suddenly 1681 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it was called Band instead of 1682 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Health. Microsoft hasn't really said 1683 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what's going on with that but my sources 1684 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 said to me that what they think is that 1685 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's rebranding Health to Band 1686 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because right now Microsoft, the 1687 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft health app that exists really 1688 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just is meant to sync with the Band. It's 1689 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 supposed to work with Microsoft band. 1690 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think what they're going to do is come out 1691 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with another new app that will be called 1692 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft Health. And that will work with 1693 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Microsoft Health Service on all 1694 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 different kinds of devices not just the 1695 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Band. They'll be able to work with. 1696 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Android devices different kinds of phone 1697 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 platforms and all, all different kinds of 1698 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 things and I think the reason they're 1699 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 doing this is Microsoft's priority going 1700 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 forward in the space is the health, the 1701 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 health service and the health 1702 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 applications and not so much the actual 1703 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 band hardware which has been something 1704 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that a lot of people love but has had 1705 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of mixed success. And in fact the 1706 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Band 2 a lot of people have had problems 1707 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with it splitting and they've had to 1708 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 return it and I just, I just think 1709 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's kind of in a place right now 1710 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where maybe they're thinking about a new 1711 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wearable at some point maybe it'll be 1712 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 another kind of a fitness band that'll be 1713 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 branded Surface someday but I think the 1714 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Band line as we know it is done and now 1715 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we're going to see them talk about how 1716 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the health service and the help app and 1717 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not so much the Band. 1718 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) I think are going to call it Band For Life. I think is… 1719 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No don't give them any ideas please. 1720 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) How did you find out about our secret plans? 1721 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Actually, maybe Mary Jo is right. Maybe 1722 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that Band is now called Skype For Life. 1723 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You're going to wear Skype. Because that makes sense. 1724 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Do either of you wear a band? I like the 1725 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 band, I did try it out. But do you wear it on a daily basis? 1726 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) No 1727 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I mean well I switched to Fit Bit 1728 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 three months ago ish. I mean you know I 1729 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really I like the Microsoft Band for what 1730 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it is I think it makes a great 1731 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 compromise. Compromise? Is the wrong 1732 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 phrase. It's a nice middle ground between 1733 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 an expensive and complex smartwatch and 1734 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in a lower end kind of fitness tracker 1735 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 right it I think it's got the right mix 1736 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of functionality. I think the thing that 1737 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really kills it be on the reliability 1738 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 issues which you know came to light over 1739 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 time is just you looking at one day 1740 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 battery life. That's the problem with the 1741 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Apple Watch, it's a problem with a lot of 1742 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these devices. You know a FitBit, Ulta. 1743 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think is the one I have the thing lasts 1744 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for seven or eight days on a charge it's 1745 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 incredible and. It accomplishes the same 1746 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 basic things that I like the most about 1747 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wearables today which is somebody texts 1748 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you and you can see what it is you get 1749 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know reminders to get up and move 1750 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 around. It's it does the fitness tracking 1751 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of stuff so I think I think they 1752 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just running into a marketing issue and 1753 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on the one hand where you know no one 1754 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 even knew this thing existed they didn't 1755 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 do good job of selling it and just a 1756 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 battery life limitation you know an 1757 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Apple. I know wanted to put solar kind of 1758 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 activity on the new Apple Watch and they 1759 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 didn't because of the battery life stuff 1760 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there was no way to cram a thing in there make it work. 1761 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Well let's, let's not say that because 1762 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Samsung did. So Samsung’s got their new 1763 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Gear S3, which does have a cell radio in 1764 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it, and Bluetooth and WiFi and it runs 1765 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for four days. So it’s posssible 1766 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) What I meant was Apple couldn't do it. 1767 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Apple couldn’t do it, Right! 1768 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - So uhm, one of the things that 1769 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft did with the original Microsoft 1770 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Band that was pretty impressive was just 1771 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 put that much in there in a sensor sense 1772 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think there were eleven sensors in the 1773 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 first device. You know the second one 1774 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 added one or two other sensors you know 1775 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they were Barometer for altitude and so 1776 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 forth you know that kind of data 1777 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 collection is really exciting you know 1778 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 let's see what we can do with that, 1779 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 promise. They never really did much with 1780 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it. You know and of course we don't do a 1781 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good job of selling it and then as 1782 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Mary Jo pointed out sadly the second one 1783 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at the same exact reliability issues as 1784 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the first and that's if there was this 1785 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of the end of it right there. 1786 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -They also at least at some point were at 1787 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of contemplating the idea of putting 1788 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows, some variant of Windows 10 1789 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 inside the Band. 1790 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The Bands, the Band on and two both had 1791 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 firmware inside. It was not Windows 1792 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 inside. And right before.. 1793 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) It’s basically Linux by the way. 1794 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Is it really? (Paul) Yeah 1795 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Um right before we get all these tips 1796 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about Microsoft, maybe ceasing work on 1797 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Band I had heard from one of my 1798 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 contacts that they are the team that was 1799 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 put to try to get Windows 10 to work on 1800 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Band had been disbanded. So I think. 1801 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So yeah I think I think you know that the 1802 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 idea was let's make this part of the 1803 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows 10 family right. Like everything 1804 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 else has everything else is running what 1805 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the core of Windows 10 the Common Core. 1806 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So why not have the band do that too but 1807 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for whatever reasons they decided that 1808 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was going to work not feasible. And so 1809 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe it's they go back to the drawing 1810 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 board. Now come up with a new wearable 1811 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that is Windows 10 core from the get go. 1812 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Yeah I was thinking as you were 1813 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talking about other wearables which Brad 1814 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who I work with has heard as well. I was 1815 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thinking you know they have to be looking 1816 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at Window 10 this is the point you know 1817 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the universal platform that they can add 1818 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that to the list of targets you can have 1819 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a developer. I think that has to… 1820 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Me too! 1821 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I'm just I'm still not really sold on 1822 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the wearable tech and I've covered it 1823 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 extensively. I’ve had a bunch of really 1824 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good pieces of tech in my lab but 1825 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ultimately I don't want anything on my 1826 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wrist in fact this is you mentioned 1827 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 battery life this is the problem with 1828 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the technology that was 1829 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 generously donated by Leo Laporte. 1830 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Basically because I waited for him to 1831 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 remove things from his office to go on 1832 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the free table and I just followed ‘em 1833 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I got myself a modem 360. It's a 1834 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fantastic piece of tech but because I 1835 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 take it off and because you have to 1836 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 charge it on that little awkward docking 1837 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 station. I sometimes forget it on my lap table. 1838 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - So you were just saying do you have a 1839 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 band and I went upstairs and change I 1840 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually took the FitBit off and left it 1841 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 up to my bedroom. So I actually normally 1842 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have it on but right now it's not. 1843 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's just a coincidence but the problem 1844 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I have with that exact advice you're 1845 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talking about. I have one as well. The 1846 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Moto 360 or the Apple Watch is that these 1847 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are you would get you would get used to 1848 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it because if you just use the one device 1849 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it's as a kind of a strap that you 1850 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have. Kind of connected everything it's a 1851 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fairly you know you balance the thing on 1852 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your wrist and you turn to try and not 1853 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know it it's because I test different 1854 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 devices like I sometimes don't spend 1855 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enough time with any one device like the 1856 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Fitbit is very simple to class the Apple 1857 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Watch I find in the Moto 360. You know 1858 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you have to get used to it right. It's 1859 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of like tying shoes you have to do 1860 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it a bunch of times you know so you can get good at it. 1861 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I have to think adventurously I would 1862 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get used to it because I wore a watch for 1863 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the first 20 years of my life but since 1864 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then I just I don't want to hitting on my 1865 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wrist it just feels weird even, even 1866 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after a couple of hours of it being on my 1867 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wrist I still feel it there. I still want to take it off. 1868 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I wear regular watch still and I feel 1869 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 weird when I don't have it. 1870 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) What do you do with that? 1871 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I actually use it to tell time. I know what a thought. 1872 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -And I thought watches only do things 1873 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like give you really abbreviated versions 1874 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the text messages so that you have to 1875 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 reach in your pocket to take out your phone 1876 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) And that’s why I don’t need one 1877 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I used to, you know. When people got 1878 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 laptops and then smart phones. You know 1879 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you get into that kind of meeting joke 1880 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where like people are sitting there doing 1881 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their own thing on their devices and not 1882 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 paying attention to whatever the person 1883 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is speaking or saying. And that's 1884 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 considered rude it might be 1885 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 unprofessional whatever and so you know 1886 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one of the big defenses about a wearable 1887 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is like you know if you're a smart watch 1888 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you can casually glance down at your 1889 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 watch it’s not as obvious or as terrible 1890 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as looking at like a phone screen or 1891 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tablet or a P.C. or whatever but you know 1892 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think nothing signals to the people 1893 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're talking to that your not attention 1894 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 more than when you do this kind of thing, 1895 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like really. And now you know I mean it's just… 1896 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Or it looks like you're bored right and 1897 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're like ugh is this over yet? 1898 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -We almost done here? We'll wrap this up soon. 1899 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I do. I love sitting at a table when 1900 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 someone's wearing a smartwatch and I 1901 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think, you could tell they don't want to 1902 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be rude but their eyes keep going down in 1903 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their wrists like this, you know like I 1904 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know what you're doing just take out your phone man. 1905 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -You should just start asking Siri 1906 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 questions. (laughing) 1907 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Siri delete that e-mail. 1908 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah. As my daughter once did she walked 1909 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 into my office and she said Xbox off. (laughing) 1910 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -And actually across the Internet there 1911 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are cries of anguish because people are 1912 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 watching Windows Weekly while playing Gears Of War. 1913 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Cortana, What’s the weather? (laughing) 1914 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Oh, no! You know, I don’t know. 1915 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I understand that wearables have a bright 1916 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 future I understand that it's a big 1917 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 profit center. I understand it has to be 1918 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a part of any cloud strategy because it's 1919 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a great way to get data metrics but I'm 1920 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 still not completely sold. Go figure! 1921 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Anything else about wearables or should 1922 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 move on to Cloud? 1923 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Sorry I was just looking at my 1924 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 smart watch I missed what you just said. (laughing) 1925 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - That's about right. Are we done with wearables? 1926 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah, let's talk cloud 1927 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Let's talk cloud because this actually 1928 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is exciting interesting and worthy of a 1929 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 post-mortem. What happened?. Microsoft 1930 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 suffered a major cloud hic up and a few 1931 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people picked up on it quickly and 1932 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually Mary Jo, you were one of the 1933 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very first who was able to confirm that 1934 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there was outages of various Azure 1935 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 services. What happened? 1936 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Yeah I didn't, it wasn't any kind of a 1937 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 great, great thing that I did. Also I 1938 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 came on Twitter last Thursday morning and 1939 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 everybody was tweeting to me like as 1940 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure is down. It's a huge outage so I 1941 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 looked at the status page and they were 1942 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 having a giant D.M.S. outage for Azure So 1943 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that took down ended up taking down like 1944 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 almost every Azure service or at least 1945 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 limiting service on it. I mean everything 1946 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was going down as Azure media services, 1947 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure search HDInsight, everything, 1948 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 everything was it was like a cascading 1949 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thing and then there were no workarounds 1950 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 being posted and people were just saying 1951 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I can’t do anything. I'm like totally 1952 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stuck. I cannot do anything. I'm just 1953 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sitting here twiddling my thumbs. So 1954 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after a couple of hours. Microsoft got 1955 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 DNS back up but then in the central part 1956 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the United States. People were still 1957 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 having sequel outages. Then after 1958 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 everything seemed to be solved. I started 1959 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 getting people tweeting me about OneDrive 1960 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 being down and I don't know if the 1961 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 OneDrive part was connected to the 1962 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 original DNS outage because parts of 1963 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 OneDrive do run on Azure. I never could 1964 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 confirm that was connected but it seemed 1965 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to be right around the same time and that 1966 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 outage hit a number of people in Europe 1967 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the US, I think also India for 1968 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 number, a number of hours and Microsoft 1969 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 wouldn't say anything about that one and 1970 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I couldn't get anything just that we know 1971 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some customers are experiencing problems 1972 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we're working on it. That's it. So if 1973 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you if you want to know more about the 1974 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 specifics about what happened and what 1975 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft saying they're going to do 1976 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going forward to try to prevent this. If 1977 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you go to the as Azure status page that 1978 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you could you could just search for that 1979 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as your status page and you look up in 1980 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the history September 15th. You'll be 1981 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 able to see the whole poll postmortem and 1982 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 dissection of what went wrong and what 1983 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they intend to do to try to sure that up 1984 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going forward. It wasn't a good day. 1985 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - It wasn't a good day and I think the 1986 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 official position was that it was a spike 1987 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in Network traffic that brought down DNS 1988 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which I mean suspiciously sounds like 1989 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's was attacked and that's what 1990 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 especially some people thought. 1991 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Some people thought that. Some people 1992 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were like it must be a denial service? 1993 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I’m like well I don't know if it is but 1994 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're not saying it that's what it is 1995 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but who knows? 1996 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I'm with you at the far more 1997 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 interesting part of the story is not that 1998 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there could have been a denial of service 1999 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 against Microsoft DNS because that could 2000 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 happen anywhere. The more interesting 2001 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 part is the services that are actually 2002 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 linked together by Azure. 2003 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah 2004 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -It does give you a sneak peek into some 2005 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the inner workings that Microsoft 2006 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has been very recalcitrant to explain. 2007 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Right. We know there are tons 2008 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of services available on Azure if you go 2009 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on at the Azure page you can see they 2010 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have so many different products now 2011 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 working on Azure plus a bunch of other 2012 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 services that are parts of things like not 2013 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all of Xbox Live runs on Azure but some 2014 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pieces of it do to so when Azure has a 2015 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 major problem. It affects pretty much 2016 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 everything. Office 365. I mean they're 2017 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 connected in there too, so you know when 2018 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you have something like a DNS outage 2019 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pretty dire and something they needed to 2020 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fix as quickly as possible. I will give 2021 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them credit that they were giving people 2022 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very regular updates but the updates 2023 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 weren't very encouraging. It's like yeah 2024 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we know this is down and we're trying 2025 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to fix it. That was kind of it. Least, at 2026 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 least they were acknowledging they knew 2027 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they were working on it because 2028 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sometimes the health dashboard goes down 2029 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to in Azure then you, it looks, when you 2030 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 look at it like everything's good. But 2031 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 nothing's working so at least this time. 2032 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That was not the case. 2033 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Right and the thing about Azure is, it 2034 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is a self healing network and it should 2035 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be able to route around problems and the 2036 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fact that it did come back up relatively 2037 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 quickly for such a large network that is 2038 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a testament to the technology but there 2039 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is no such thing as a network that cannot 2040 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be brought down. There's always going to 2041 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be and as long as it's using the 2042 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 networking protocols that we have today. 2043 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can take it down, if you want if you 2044 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 had enough resources but, but Paul let me 2045 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ask you about this. There was a saying in 2046 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the early days of cloud computing in the 2047 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 early days of say like the Google 2048 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Chromebook that. Oh this sounds like a 2049 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good idea to move everything into the 2050 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 cloud until you lose internet 2051 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 connectivity and then that one bad day 2052 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 makes the entire investment worthless. 2053 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This was the bad day. This was business 2054 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the middle of the workday not being 2055 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 able to access Office 365, their OneDrive 2056 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to different degrees. Does this, did this 2057 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kill it, did this make it an incredibly 2058 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bad day and now it makes the investment useless? 2059 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No I, you know the thing that's always 2060 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lost in these discussions is that. Cloud 2061 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 computing is not an all or nothing affair 2062 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you talk about things like e-mail or 2063 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 obviously if it's cloud hosted I mean it 2064 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is Cloud Hosted, even before we had a 2065 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 cloud. If that thing is down, its down. 2066 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There’s nothing to do about that but you 2067 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know your data should be synced to your 2068 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 client, your application should be 2069 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 running on your P.C. I mean as an Office 365 2070 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 user you should have access to 2071 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 functionality and so it's not that it's 2072 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not all or nothing. You know and I still 2073 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think that the promise of the cloud is 2074 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 met by today's infrastructure you know 2075 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but that it can only get better with more 2076 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pervasive contact of it sort of course 2077 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but I don't know. Honestly for all of the 2078 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kind of Chicken Little stuff that goes on 2079 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with cloud computing even today these 2080 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 things are kind of rare aren't they. I 2081 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mean we don't really have weekly Office 365 2082 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or Gmail outages it doesn't really work that way. 2083 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No. I think one thing the bug a bunch of 2084 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people in Europe about this one last week 2085 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was the week before that there had been a 2086 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pretty not, not as pervasive but another 2087 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 outage that affected Azure and people 2088 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like wow twice and two weeks what the 2089 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 heck Microsoft you know come on. So I 2090 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 agree it isn't something happens every 2091 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 day and I don't think it's a reason to 2092 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just abandon cloud computing or say oh 2093 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's why I'm not doing the cloud 2094 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because you know your own company's 2095 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 servers go down to it if you're running 2096 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your own servers. But I think I think the 2097 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fact that those two things happen back to 2098 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 back got some of the people especially in 2099 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Europe kind of agitated and 2100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 understandably so. Yeah. 2101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -You know this is why you've got a 2102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 company like VMware which has admittedly 2103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 had some bad years as they've, as people 2104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 been moving away from virtual machines 2105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 into containers. But they're betting 2106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 everything on their N S X platform and 2107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the NSX platform ensures a way for 2108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enterprises to be able to do hybrid 2109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 deployment so On-Premise and not just 2110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 On-Premise and cloud but On-Premise and 2111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in multi cloud in other words they want 2112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to make it as easy to run in Azure and 2113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 AWS and Google Web services and the 2114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 premise at the same time so that 2115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 theoretically as long as your network is 2116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 up has some sort of connectivity. You 2117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 should still be able to continue working 2118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I, you know I think we're going to 2119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 see more of the big players including 2120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft who will take that that view of 2121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we will let you run your Azure services 2122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on another web service to give you that 2123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 measure of security that you will always 2124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be able to get to it even if one of these 2125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 services goes, goes down. I see that 2126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 being becoming popular. Or no? 2127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah, I hadn’t heard about that actually 2128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so that's kind of an interesting thing 2129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 something to listen for next week. See if 2130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft talks about that at Ignited at all. 2131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah it will be uh. It will be a brave, 2132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 brave new world. Speaking of a brave new 2133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 world. There was a story that we actually 2134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talked about the last time I stepped in 2135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for Leo I think it was back in June of 2136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft announcing a new Azure service 2137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that was in Germany and the big news 2138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about that was it would be entirely in 2139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Germany. So all the data would be stored 2140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in Germany they would never allow any of 2141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the data to go to a data center that was 2142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not in Germany because Germany has really 2143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good privacy laws and Microsoft is saying 2144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we will not even have access to it. We're 2145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to give everything to a caretaker 2146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 third party in Germany. 2147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Can I say Ick bin ein Berliner 2148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Ick bin ein.. yeah if you were a citizen 2149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the cloud you were a citizen of 2150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Germany and I say to you, Ick bin ein Azurler. 2151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Azulier (laughing) 2152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -But Paul what's…what’s this all about. It's finally out? 2153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - This is..oh I don't, I have no idea 2154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what this is. This is Mary 2155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah this is me. 2156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I’ve heard of Germany 2157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -So right. You've heard of Germany. 2158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Laughing) So today is the day that this 2159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 new Microsoft region in Germany. There's 2160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 two data centers that and that it 2161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually was turned on an open for 2162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 business. So um, yeah it's a big data 2163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sovereignty story like you just said 2164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Padre it's something you know Microsoft 2165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 hasn't been able to completely block 2166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 access to customer's data from 2167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 governments when requested and that's 2168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what their whole Ireland case is about 2169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that they've been fighting there but 2170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're trying to kind of get around this 2171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in different ways and this German data 2172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 center idea where T. systems which is a 2173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Deutsche Telecom subsidiary is acting as 2174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the data trustee in this data center is 2175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 coming to play. So if you, you can decide 2176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you want Microsoft to be the one 2177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 accessing the data there or you can say 2178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 no I don't even want Microsoft in here. I 2179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 want, I want T systems to be my 2180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 administration here in Germany. So any 2181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure service that can run in these data 2182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 centers is going to have the same 2183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 protection. So for example IOT. IOT is 2184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 running in these data centers I believe 2185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Office 365 also so you'll still have that 2186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 benefit an offer of having an external 2187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 trustee be the one administering your 2188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 data and the data will stay on premises 2189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there in Germany. So kind of cool, kind 2190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of like a workaround for Microsoft to try 2191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to say you know what we're taking your 2192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 privacy seriously people and here's what 2193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we're trying to do to get to kind of. Not 2194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get around the law but find another 2195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 creative way to ensure data sovereignty. 2196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I don't think they're getting around 2197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the law. I think they're trying to fill 2198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the void where the law has not caught up 2199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Exactly! 2200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - The great some very high profile cases 2201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 involving Microsoft and data security 2202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the most high profile of them would 2203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be the case in Ireland about whether or 2204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not a U.S. court could compel Microsoft 2205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to give them information that was stored 2206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on a server that was on the land of 2207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 another sovereign country. And Ireland 2208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was a little bit iffy because they were 2209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going back and forth about what was 2210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 allowed by treaty and what was not but 2211 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with Germany. It's very clear. You cannot 2212 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 step onto German sovereign soil and 2213 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 demand something from a data center and 2214 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's why Microsoft's set this up. But 2215 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who's going to, who's going to buy this? 2216 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Who's, who's going to want the service? 2217 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Who's going to demand the service? 2218 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I think a lot of customers in Europe, 2219 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 right? For sure. I've even had people 2220 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 asking me if I'm not based in Germany 2221 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 could I transfer my data from another 2222 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 data center to this one and I don't know 2223 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the answer to that I think I did ask 2224 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft that but I haven't heard back. 2225 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So people, I think people are very 2226 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 interested and curious about 2227 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how that's going to work. 2228 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I'd be surprised a lot. 2229 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) I would too but, yeah we’ll see 2230 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Actually P.S. chops in the chat room 2231 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has an interesting point. He says as the 2232 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 law catches up. We could have a data 2233 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 privacy Cold War you have different 2234 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 countries saying well I mean if you let 2235 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them into the data for our citizens we’ll 2236 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 let them into the data for your citizens. 2237 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Oh I would say right. It will also have 2238 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a situation where who's going to be the 2239 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Cayman Islands of or the Switzerland of 2240 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know data storage 2241 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) Data’s the new curtsey. 2242 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –They not gonna let anyone in. 2243 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -And then you'll have, you'll have the 2244 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 country saying well if we didn't do this. 2245 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Another country would so we're just 2246 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 providing a service that's necessary . 2247 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Wait did we just come up with a new data 2248 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 laundering scheme? 2249 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah -I think we did 2250 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Will I have to declare my data for a, 2251 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for tax purposes? Is this is how this is going to work? 2252 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -They may. -I don't like this. All right. 2253 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know what we talked enough about 2254 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enterprise I want to get into some gaming 2255 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and only, if only there was a member of 2256 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this panel who knew something about gaming. 2257 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I'm ready. Let's go. 2258 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 – Go, Mary Jo I understand you're 2259 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a big uh, Gears of War fan right Mary Jo? 2260 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Oh yes I am 2261 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -You're all about the shooting and 2262 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what weapons do they have in 2263 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Gears of War? I don't even know this game. 2264 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) What weapons? -I'm assuming 2265 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there's some guns and some knifes right? 2266 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Cats. I think there are cats. 2267 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I get Cats. Cats are ultimate weapon. No but Paul... 2268 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) And some chainsaws. 2269 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Can you tell me a little bit about the 2270 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Xbox S and their Minecraft bundle because 2271 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft has been conquering the world with Minecraft. 2272 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Mine.. Yes they are. You know since the 2273 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Xbox One S. came out in early August 2274 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they've been kind of bulking out the 2275 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lineup with different bundles you know 2276 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they have a Gears of War 4 bundle for 2277 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 example which is ridiculous looking but 2278 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Minecraft one looks really good 2279 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually. Especially if you haven't 2280 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bought into this yet in the Microsoft 2281 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ecosystem because it's no much. It's no 2282 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 more expensive than the normal console. 2283 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But you get the game for free. Obviously 2284 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 an Xbox 1, you get the game for free on 2285 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows 10 and then you get a bunch of 2286 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 favorites and builders packs just you 2287 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know downloadable content that you 2288 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 normally would have to pay for. All 2289 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bundled into this thing and so for $300 2290 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bucks I mean this is actually it's a 2291 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 great deals and then Minecraft is amazing 2292 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and so if you've never experienced 2293 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Minecraft I mean this is a great way to 2294 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get into it. So that's kind of a cool 2295 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one. And then the Gears of War 4 news is 2296 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the game was completed this week. So 2297 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's gone gold. It's being released in 2298 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 October and if you preorder it. You can 2299 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 play it. I think it's four days early so 2300 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I believe it comes out on October 11th 2301 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and those who preordered it. I don't know 2302 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if probably digitally obviously. Can 2303 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 start playing it on the 7th and so this 2304 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is a new kind of a rejiggering of the 2305 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 story you know so there was a trilogy of 2306 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Gears of War games that came out on 2307 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Xbox 360 was made by a third party 2308 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 developer Who, why can’t I think of the 2309 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 name of the company? That's crazy! 2310 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It doesn't matter they sold it to Microsoft 2311 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and so now Microsoft and using this. Say again? 2312 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –Oh Mojang 2313 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No Gears of War – Oh Gears of War, Oh! 2314 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Wasn’t that just 360 studios? 2315 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –No it was the Cliff Bleszinski guys. 2316 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Uh it kills me when I can’t think of stuff 2317 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Bungee? 2318 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –No, Bungee’s Halo 2319 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –I’m just guessing. 2320 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –Oh, um was it the same studio that did Bio Shock? 2321 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Nope. (laughing) this is embarrassing. 2322 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So anyway whoever it was. 2323 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Let’s just keep guessing. 2324 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) Atari? 2325 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Epic games? 2326 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Wow! Epic Games. So they did the 2327 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 original trilogy on the 360, it was a 360 exclusive. 2328 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Well it was a Microsoft, it's a, the first 2329 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Gears of War game actually shipped on 2330 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows and then they did the 360 version 2331 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and so now on the Xbox 1, we have the 2332 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 original game is available remastered the 2333 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 other games are available backwards 2334 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 compatibility and now we're getting a new 2335 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Forth game which takes place you know 20 2336 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 years later there's you know, you know 2337 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the story. All hell breaks loose etc, etc 2338 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So it's a pretty big deal because 2339 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know exclusives kind of drive console 2340 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sells and so forth so Microsoft has had 2341 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Halo and Gears two and so Gears have a 2342 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 new series of Gears games coming out for 2343 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Xbox 1 is kind of a big deal. So we 2344 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 shall see. Someone included with us in 2345 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 software. Nope! 2346 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - It's kind of interesting that's October 11th 2347 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because that's also a big day for 2348 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Dynamics 365. I’m just saying. -Yikes. 2349 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yeah I'm sure that's not coincidental. 2350 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I'm sure it's not. (laughing) 2351 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Well I mean dynamics is one of the most 2352 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 profitable division in Microsoft 2353 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 currently has. So, I mean naturally. ou 2354 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You see the tie in, right? Well let me ask 2355 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you this we're thinking about doing a 2356 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 little Gears of War thing here at the 2357 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 studio because Lee has got his Xbox. I've 2358 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually got an Xbox 1S on its way along 2359 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with Gears of War when it comes out but I 2360 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will be in Rome. So it's shipping to me 2361 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in Rome. We're all going to have our 2362 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 little Kingston Gears of War branded 2363 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 headsets. I think we need a death match. 2364 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah OK. I'm not great at death match I 2365 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will say um.. Gears of War, those games, 2366 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the single player stuff has been really 2367 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good, a story has been good for the most 2368 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 part. The death match stuff, if you're 2369 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really used to the fast moving kind of 2370 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 twitchy. You know Call of Duty type stuff 2371 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's a little more grounded. They've got 2372 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it a little bit more vertical over the 2373 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 years but you know especially the first 2374 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 game, you kinda crouch low to the ground 2375 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that was pretty much where you stayed 2376 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so I'm not I'm not great at it but. 2377 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Well I mean if you play with us. I'll 2378 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 try to get Pope Francis on the 2379 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 controller. I've heard that he can frag like nobody else. 2380 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I just want to hear him swear like a 2381 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sailor. That will be the best part. 2382 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Gears of War is pretty good but the one 2383 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that I was most impressed with at E3 and 2384 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the one that I really, really want to 2385 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 play is Cup Head because that looks 2386 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fantastic. And I know, I know Paul that 2387 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you love that game. 2388 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Well actually I will say even Mary Jo 2389 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is looking forward to it. 2390 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I was curious about that one, actually. 2391 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I kind of you know like forty style 2392 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 animation. Things like that. 2393 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - It's steam boat Willy. –Yeah 2394 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - There were a few. There was the ship of 2395 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thieves or ship of, yeah ship of, 2396 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ship of Thieves or Sea of Thieves?! 2397 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I’m not sure. 2398 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -There were a few at E3 that 2399 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 actually were kind of interesting. 2400 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) -3D Realms. No it wasn't 3D Realms, sorry. (laughing) 2401 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Are we back to just naming off studios? 2402 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –Yeah I don’t know 2403 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -All right, well when we come back it's 2404 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 time for tips and picks to close out the 2405 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 show but first let's go ahead and thank 2406 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 another sponsor of this episode of Windows Weekly. 2407 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now let me ask a question. 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I always get confused by the Q. and A 2465 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who's the Q. and who does the A.? 2466 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I don't even know if we need to do a Q. and A today 2467 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because we have so much in the picks. 2468 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Oh yeah actually I love your picks this 2469 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was an interesting one. I saw this and I 2470 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was wondering where we were going to go 2471 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with it but let’s just find out. D. Apple 2472 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 find your iPhone, I don't even know what that means. 2473 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Oh well let me explain. I'm a Microsoft guy 2474 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 obviously right? I’ve been writing 2475 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about Microsoft technology products for 2476 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 20 something years. I approached things 2477 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from kind of a Microsoft standpoint but I 2478 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think it's fair to say that in the mobile world. 2479 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Things have gone in a slightly 2480 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 different direction and so like Microsoft 2481 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 itself you know we kind of have to adapt 2482 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you know before Microsoft shipped 2483 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows Phone I was an iPhone user 2484 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because Windows Mobile was so terrible. 2485 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I used Windows phone for several years 2486 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 obviously things have kind of fallen 2487 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 apart over the past couple years and so 2488 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I've spent a lot of time looking at 2489 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Android and iPhone and I would say to 2490 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people who are Microsoft people you know 2491 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft fans, or Microsoft users, 2492 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 customers whatever. Android is probably 2493 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the closest thing you're going to get to 2494 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a Microsoft type experience but more 2495 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 important because the system can be, you 2496 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know adapted and customize so much you 2497 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 can change the lock screen, the launcher 2498 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 screen. I mean it basically everything 2499 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about it. It affords you the opportunity 2500 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to have a real Microsoft experience 2501 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because Microsoft makes lock screens and 2502 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 launchers and you know keyboards and all 2503 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kinds of things for Android so you can 2504 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have a real Microsoft experience on the 2505 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 internet but people who use iPhones do so 2506 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for a reason. There are good reasons to 2507 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 own an iPhone you might get one from 2508 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 work, you might have to have one and so 2509 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I've been using an iPhone for years 2510 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really. In fact I've owned I've owned 2511 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 almost every iPhone model that Apple has 2512 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ever ship I've only didn't purchase two 2513 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of them but I've always worked very hard 2514 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to kind of keep the distance from some of 2515 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Apple products and services. I don't 2516 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 use things like Apple music or iCloud or 2517 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Siri or any of that kind of stuff and so 2518 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I wrote an article about this but I've 2519 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 been doing a series of tips about using 2520 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Android from kind of the perspective of a 2521 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft guy. I have written a few 2522 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 articles like this for iPhone but not 2523 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 nearly as many and so recently I kind of 2524 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 summarized a bunch of thoughts around 2525 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what it's like to use an iPhone from a 2526 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows or Microsoft user perspective and 2527 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know again you can't, there's not 2528 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 much, you can't change the launcher 2529 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 screen, you can't, you know there's no 2530 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft lock screen that you can 2531 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 install you kind of stuck with some 2532 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 aspects of it because that's you know 2533 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what Apple does but actually iOS is open 2534 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 up you can change the keyboard you can do 2535 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 swift key which Microsoft owns you want 2536 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to do that and Microsoft, all of 2537 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's high profile apps are on 2538 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 iPhone as well. And so the point of this 2539 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is just that you don't have to give up 2540 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your soul. Per se to use an iPhone. 2541 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No I think buying an iPhone you kind of 2542 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 gave it up already. But I’m just saying. 2543 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Actually, so by the way that's more fair 2544 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than ever because with this version of 2545 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the iPhone the availability was so 2546 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 limited that I had to get a gold version 2547 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and uh I can tell you that was not a 2548 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 proud moment. 2549 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Rose gold or just plain gold? 2550 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -No I didn’t go rose gold but I do end up buying gold. 2551 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Isn’t that actually part of the price? 2552 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You do give your credit card and a piece of your soul. 2553 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 –And a piece of your soul, yeah I guess. 2554 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Literally one pound you know. 2555 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -How much does the human soul weigh? 2556 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) One pound. – Is it one pound? Well 2557 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good because I know I can give away a 2558 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 couple of grams and still be good. 2559 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yeah mine's a little fatty. But it's good eating. 2560 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Actually I just got all my 2561 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 blood work back and I am surprisingly in 2562 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 good health and I didn't expect that. 2563 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) That's good. 2564 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Except for my triglycerides I guess 2565 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pork rinds are really bad for you. 2566 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I'm somewhat surprised by that. 2567 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Do you eat them in like a cheese bath or ? 2568 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 – No, I bathe in them. (Paul) Oh,yes! 2569 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - I sleep in a bed of pork rinds. (laughing) 2570 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) That's it's good for the skin. 2571 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -It's for that fresh pork smell you know. 2572 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 All right so we've got a D. Apple find 2573 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your iPhone. We've got an app pick of the 2574 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 week. Who's got fire watch? 2575 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I do. So, I have a bunch of epics. 2576 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So the big one is yes fire watch. So fire 2577 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 watch is a game that ship like I think 2578 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 last year on PlayStation 4 and also in 2579 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 P.C. through Steam. I played through day 2580 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one on Raphael’s PlayStation just to kind 2581 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of give it a shot. I really, really enjoy 2582 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this game and so just today. Literally it 2583 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 shipped on Xbox 1 you can get it now on 2584 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's platform and so same exact 2585 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 game it's a wonderful game it's kind of a 2586 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's kind of a like interactive adventure 2587 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 basically it is there's a mystery and 2588 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's got beautiful graphics and you know 2589 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 immersive sound and all that kind of 2590 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stuff but it's I mention that when I 2591 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talked about this on the podcast just a 2592 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 few weeks ago I said I'm going to try to 2593 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get my wife and daughter to play this I 2594 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think this is a game that would, is 2595 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 compelling to people who don't play video 2596 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 games in the same way that a you know a 2597 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mystery series or something which is 2598 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 interesting to people I think people can 2599 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get into this. So it's a great, great 2600 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 story. It's a really neat game and the 2601 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Xbox One version has some unique stuff as 2602 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 an audio tour and when you finish the 2603 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 game you can actually free roam around 2604 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the environment you can see the whole 2605 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 world that they created for the game. 2606 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa. Bellencer) This looks a little like 2607 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mist. It's got, it's looks like it's got 2608 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that same sort of artistic. 2609 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Don't ever compare this to mist again. 2610 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (laughing) No it’s a.. OK well I guess 2611 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what I would say is, you know mist for 2612 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the day was seemed photo realistic 2613 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I guess I'm sure we would look at the quite 2614 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 same way today. This obviously has a bit 2615 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of a I don't want to say cartoon but it's 2616 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 clearly graphics like they don't attempt 2617 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to pull you into thinking that this is 2618 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know real photograph quality graphics 2619 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but that the graphics are beautiful. It's 2620 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a beautiful game. You know really really 2621 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 well done the whole thing, the whole 2622 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 presentation is great . 2623 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa. Bellencer) It's not a horror game is it? 2624 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul ) No but this is a mystery. It's 2625 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like, it's the type of thing where you 2626 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know you show up at your new job out in 2627 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the woods and you go investigate what's 2628 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going on when you come back. Someone has 2629 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ransacked the tower that you live in and 2630 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know the music kind of kicks in like 2631 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tick, tick, tick, you know. You can tell 2632 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's like it's getting a little stressful 2633 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like what's going on here. And so it's 2634 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just it's a mystery that you uncover. 2635 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) As long as the Slender man 2636 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 doesn’t jump out. 2637 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Well it's sort of, sort of does. 2638 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Oh really? (Paul laughs) Not exactly. 2639 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Just a few other things I want to throw 2640 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 out for apps because a bunch of stuff 2641 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 happened this week. I do an app race and 2642 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mobile app pick of the week, and a Skype 2643 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 preview app. We’ve already talked about 2644 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this but if you're on the insider program 2645 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's certainly worth looking at. I 2646 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 haven't gotten it to work but I know 2647 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people have if you're interested in the 2648 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 SMS relay stuff that is available if you 2649 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have both Windows 10 and Windows 10 2650 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mobile. Microsoft has also updated a 2651 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bunch of its mobile apps on the Internet 2652 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 IOS and so on Android, Word, Excel and 2653 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Power Point, the kind of the core apps 2654 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have much simpler sharing capabilities 2655 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now and also I can’t … here and 2656 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 collaboration features and in OneDrive. 2657 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I don't actually, it's funny I read the 2658 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 description of the new OneDrive app on 2659 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 IOS and I don't think the graph. I don't 2660 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think graphically looks any different. 2661 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That they're calling it a file centric 2662 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 U.I. or whatever but it looks the same to 2663 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 me but there's a new me tab and a U.I. 2664 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that lets you access all of your account 2665 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 information and a bunch of other stuff 2666 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that was just hidden away before so 2667 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's kind of cool and then the new 2668 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Outlook.com which by the way I still 2669 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 don't have I think I'm on what are we on 2670 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the day 457 or something. If you have it. 2671 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I know Mary Jo does. They've added 2672 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 integrated support for a Google Drive and 2673 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Facebook photos meaning that if you're 2674 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to, if you're sending out an e-mail 2675 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 “Hey I just went on this great vacation. 2676 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Here are some photos.” You can pull those 2677 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 photos in from other services now include 2678 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know the Google Drive and Facebook 2679 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 photo. I'd love to test that feature 2680 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft. If you're listening. 2681 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -They're calling it OneDrive For Life. 2682 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Yep. (laughing) 2683 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) You're going to be the last one 2684 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the very, very last one to get the new Outlook. 2685 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Now that you've asked for it, that's 2686 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 how that works. Sorry it's a rule. 2687 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) Yep 2688 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) I observed on Twitter, the other 2689 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 day that hearing that other people have 2690 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the new Outlook.com is like when you're 2691 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at war and you find out that the buddy 2692 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're in a foxhole with is going home 2693 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you're happy for him and in one way 2694 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but you're also like you're really upset 2695 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with him you know because he's leaving 2696 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you're not you know I mean it's the 2697 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 same kind of weird mixed feeling. 2698 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -So what Paul is telling us is if any of 2699 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you get the new outlook. He will 2700 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul and Fa Bellencer) Shoot you in the back. 2701 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) He wants to know immediately. 2702 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -This is good. This is good to know good 2703 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 information. Mary Jo fully your 2704 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enterprise picks of the week. 2705 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -OK so my enterprise pick is going to be 2706 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what to think about and look for next 2707 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 week at the Ignite show that Microsoft's 2708 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 having in Atlanta. Paul and I are going 2709 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to be there a lot of other journalists 2710 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will be there but looking ahead I'll tell 2711 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you what I think we're going to hear a 2712 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lot about. So it's very interesting to, 2713 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at Ignite this year, there is only one 2714 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 day of keynotes. The morning keynote 2715 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 starts at 9:00 A.M. on Monday September 26th. 2716 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It goes till 10:30. Microsoft's 2717 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to be webcasting that and then 2718 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there's an afternoon keynote which is 2719 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 4 to 5 on the same day. That's it for 2720 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 keynotes. So there's going to be a lot of 2721 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 recording of all the different sessions 2722 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of Ignite and it'll be up on Channel Nine 2723 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft Channel Nine. I think we're 2724 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to hear this is this is kind of a 2725 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 no brainer. A lot about Windows Server 2016 2726 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there because that's where 2727 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's going to quote launch the 2728 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 product. It won't be available that week, 2729 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is next week but right after it. 2730 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think you know first second week of 2731 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 October. You'll see it starting to be 2732 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 generally available. So expect a lot of 2733 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows Server 2016 all the new stuff 2734 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's happening with containers in 2735 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Windows 7 2016 we’ll hear a lot. We’ll 2736 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 probably also hear a lot about nano 2737 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 server which is a new role for a stripped 2738 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 down role in Windows 7 2016 next week. 2739 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We're going to hear a lot about Azure 2740 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stack. Azure stack is basically Azure 2741 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that you can run in your own data center 2742 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or that your club provider can run in 2743 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their data center for you. I think maybe 2744 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we'll hear about Technical Preview two of 2745 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure stack next week it will be around 2746 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the right time and Microsoft said 2747 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 recently that Azure stack won't actually 2748 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be available until mid-2017. So it's 2749 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 running late. But I think, I think they 2750 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 do want to get the Technical Preview out 2751 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there there's a lot of sessions about 2752 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure stack. I think there's going to be 2753 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some meet ups and they'll be a big 2754 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 representation for Azure stack. Also we 2755 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 haven't said this word on Windows Weekly 2756 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lately, Data Lake's I know every wanted 2757 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to hear it. So I think next week. 2758 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Exactly. You're going to hear a lot about 2759 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Data Lakes. Everyone drink! Data Lake is 2760 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the big data repository technology that 2761 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft had in previews since last 2762 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 September. I think maybe at Ignite we're 2763 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to hear them talk about Data Lake 2764 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 technologies being generally available so 2765 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we'll hear a lot of big data talk a lot 2766 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of Hadoop talk probably will be tied in 2767 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with some of the data summit 2768 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 presentations that are happening 2769 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 simultaneously with that Ignite in 2770 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Atlanta next week. More probably more 2771 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about Microsoft's data scientists degree 2772 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 program which they gave a little sneak 2773 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 peek of at the world wide Partner 2774 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Conference. I think the first class they 2775 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 graduated from that degree program is 2776 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to be announced or somehow 2777 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 represented at Ignite. That's my guess, 2778 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because Microsoft said that that group of 2779 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people would be graduating in September. 2780 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we're in September. Still I think that 2781 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 could happen next week and then there's a 2782 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thing that I've talked about before in 2783 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the show called open mind studio which I 2784 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think is kind of like Visual Studio 2785 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 except for machine learning. I would be 2786 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very surprised if we don't hear about 2787 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that next week too. So all of these 2788 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 things and more. I'm sure. Probably a lot 2789 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of office Content Officer 365, Office 2790 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Crack, Share Point all your favorite 2791 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Office topics will be there as well and 2792 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we've said this before. Paul and I are 2793 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 doing Windows Weekly live next week with 2794 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Padre from Ignite at our usual time 2:00 P.M. 2795 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on September 28th, 2:00 P.M. Eastern 2796 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then we finally know a better meet up 2797 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or meet up is going to be held on the 2798 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 28th right after the show. It's going to 2799 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be 5:00 to 8:00 P.M. It's at a bar craft 2800 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 beer bar called Argosy A R G O S Y in 2801 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Atlanta. And I guess it's the Argosy East 2802 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 version of Argosy So if even if you 2803 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 aren't at Ignite and you don't have a 2804 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 badge you can still come to our meet up 2805 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at 5:00 to 8:00 P.M We've tweeted out 2806 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about it a couple times more about it. So 2807 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 definitely if you're an Atlanta or near. 2808 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can come and join us there. And while 2809 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm talking about events. I want to throw 2810 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one more Paul and I also are going to be 2811 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in Las Vegas the last week of October. At 2812 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a couple of shows that are held together 2813 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 called DEVintersection and IT 2814 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 intersection. We're going to be speaking 2815 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there too and probably will have a meet 2816 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 up there. If you want to know more about 2817 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that there's a lot of really good 2818 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft speakers. Stephen Guggenheim is 2819 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to be there. Scott Hanselman and 2820 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who else. Brad Anderson a lot of big 2821 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft names plus a lot of the 2822 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 M.V.P.'s and big well known speakers in 2823 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the community there. DVEintersection.com 2824 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can find out more there. So that's my 2825 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 mega enterprise pick for the week. 2826 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - That is a lot of picks. Of course we've 2827 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 got Ignite coming up. So that's expected. 2828 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it close us out we've got the code 2829 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 name Pick of the week and the beer pick 2830 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the week which I'm actually looking 2831 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 forward to because we're going to be 2832 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 doing a beer episode of know how. I may 2833 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not drink beer but I do like the smell. 2834 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (laughing) OK so, should I do the code name now? 2835 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Do it 2836 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Code name pick of the week is Project Bletchley 2837 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and yes it is named after that Bletchley 2838 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you know what I'm talking 2839 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about here. Let's see the one in 2840 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Bletchley Park in England. So this, what 2841 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 project Bletchley is… is Microsoft's code 2842 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 name for Azure block chain as a service 2843 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 middleware. So, since last year, 2844 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Microsoft's been trying to work out a way 2845 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to make Azure blocked, Azure block chain 2846 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a service be something that people 2847 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 might use in various industries not just 2848 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for bitcoin mining and all but also in a 2849 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lot of enterprises especially banking and 2850 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 finance because what is blocked chain 2851 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's actually a distributed Ledger 2852 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 technology so that makes sense in a lot 2853 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of different enterprise type 2854 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 applications. What they decided to do was 2855 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to try to use Azure technologies to make 2856 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it easier for people to build 2857 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 applications that could take advantage of 2858 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 block chain as a service. So they came up 2859 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with this idea of project Bletchley in 2860 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 July. They put out a white paper and said 2861 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 “This is how we think this might work.” 2862 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This week they actually put out what they 2863 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are calling version one of project 2864 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Bletchley. What it is…is a template. So 2865 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 version one's just a template basically, 2866 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it's a pretty powerful template. It's 2867 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a template that is made to help people 2868 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 figure out how to kind of on board into 2869 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Project Bletchley. I wrote a blog post 2870 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about this. I have a whole bunch of links 2871 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with different things about The Cryptlets 2872 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 technology that's part of the Project 2873 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Bletchley, how that works and 2874 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 architectural diagrams for people like 2875 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that stuff. And Microsoft has a 2876 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 walk-through of how to use this template 2877 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so if you want to just start kicking the 2878 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tires now and seeing what is this thing 2879 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as you're blotching as a service. You can 2880 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 start doing that now through this 2881 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 template that is available through the 2882 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Azure Resource Manager portal. 2883 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's the code name. 2884 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Whoot, fantastic. And of course we got 2885 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to do the beer pick of the week right? 2886 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Yeah so this is a very interesting bear 2887 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 pick. Stone Brewing, San Diego area, 2888 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 makes a lot of excellent beers of all 2889 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kinds. They have a very famous series of 2890 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 beers that they've done called the 2891 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Vertical Epic series. So every year like 2892 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on February second. The second of 2893 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 February which is 2/2/2002 they put out a 2894 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 beer. That was called the Stone Vertical 2895 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Epic series 2/22 they did one in 3/33, 2896 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 4/44 and these are huge collector's items 2897 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like people pay hundreds of dollars to 2898 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 try to get these old very rare beers from 2899 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Stone so that they can have different 2900 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 taste from the Vertical Epic series so 2901 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stone being the smart burgers that they 2902 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are decided on their 20th anniversary to 2903 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 remake some of these famous beers that 2904 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they've brewed over the years and one of 2905 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the first that they remade is the 2/22 2906 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Vertical Epic. So they call this the 2907 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stone 20th anniversary encore series this 2908 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is 2/22 and 2/22 I've had it a couple of 2909 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 times I've had the original and I've also 2910 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 had this remake. It's really good Paul 2911 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 would love this. I know strong Belgian 2912 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Golden Ale like all the things you love 2913 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in a Belgian beer. It's almost like a 2914 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 strong wheat beer. 2915 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) It’s pretty much all the things I love. Period. 2916 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Mary Jo) It is pretty much, right? 2917 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Orange flavoring very effervescent, very it's 2918 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not light like a lot of wheats because 2919 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's a strong Belgian but around 7%, 2920 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really good really, really good and the 2921 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 remake I can tell you is equally good. So 2922 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you see this Vertical Epic. Series 2923 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 called The Encore Series, definitely give 2924 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it a try and know 88/8 is also available 2925 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 now and I think will be others coming out. 2926 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -There you have it. All the news that's 2927 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 worth having if you're a Microsoft fan. 2928 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Paul Thurrott, Mary Jo Foley, thank you 2929 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very much for making this an entertaining 2930 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enjoyable and very informative two hours. 2931 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Paul Thurrott of course again behind 2932 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thurrott.com. Paul, what are you working 2933 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on, what should people be heading over 2934 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thurrott.com to find? 2935 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) What am I working on? I can't 2936 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tell you that. (laughing) (Fa Bellencer) Can you hint? 2937 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) No I mean I… No. (laughing) 2938 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) Your silence says it all. 2939 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) We’re in the middle of a… we're rolling out like a 2940 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 premium service on the site and so I've 2941 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 been a little preoccupied with a bunch of 2942 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that stuff lately so it's coming soon. That's all I can say. 2943 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Fa Bellencer) So just go to thurrott.com 2944 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and find everything there is to know 2945 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about the man who writes the book. 2946 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that would be a slogan. 2947 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If I were making slogans that would be 2948 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the slogan I would come up for you. 2949 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Paul) Not quite as good as the Man With No Name but yeah. 2950 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - A woman who does have a name is Mary Jo Foley 2951 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of course of the “All About…” always 2952 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 say Android but it really is Windows 2953 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 “All About Windows” blog over at Z.D.Net. 2954 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Mary Jo you always are my source 2955 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for Microsoft happenings in the 2956 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 enterprise anything interesting going on 2957 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your side that you're particularly jazzed about? 2958 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -I'm just I'm like really jazzed about 2959 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ignite next week because I think they'll 2960 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be some pretty cool enterprise 2961 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 announcements. And it's going to be great 2962 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that we're right there on the ground with 2963 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all the big guys like Mark Russinovich, 2964 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and Snover all the who's who. So I think 2965 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we'll have some really good news stories next week. 2966 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 -Fantastic! Again thank you for making my 2967 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 job that much easier by being absolutely 2968 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 brilliant and entertaining hosts. Don't 2969 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 forget that we do Windows Weekly here on 2970 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Twit T.V. every Wednesday at 2971 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 11:00 o'clock P.M. Pacific. 1:00, no 2:00 Eastern. 2972 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm not good at this Leo does 2973 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all the time zones. 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