WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.280 It's time for Windows weekly with 00:00:02.280 --> 00:00:04.460 Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley. 00:00:04.460 --> 00:00:06.660 Microsoft wants you for life, NOTE Paragraph 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:08.690 and their ready to kill the nag screen. 00:00:08.690 --> 00:00:10.750 Paul is excited for the new Xbox and 00:00:10.750 --> 00:00:12.720 Mary-Jo talks about Microsoft's 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:15.080 bad cloud day. Window's Weekly is next. 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:18.660 (Pulse wave sounds) 00:00:25.557 --> 00:00:28.077 This is Twit 00:00:28.347 --> 00:00:30.977 Bandwidth for Windows Weekly is provided 00:00:30.997 --> 00:00:35.997 by CacheFly at cachefly.com 00:00:40.950 --> 00:00:43.310 This is Window's Weekly with Paul Thurrott 00:00:43.310 --> 00:00:46.050 and Mary-Jo Foley. 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Of course Paul Thurrott 00:01:47.449 --> 00:01:49.469 is the guru behind Thurrott.com the 00:01:49.499 --> 00:01:51.619 previewer of news, reviews and analyzes 00:01:51.639 --> 00:01:53.709 for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the 00:01:53.709 --> 00:01:55.899 mastermind behind ZDnet All About 00:01:55.899 --> 00:01:58.129 Microsoft blog. Together their here to 00:01:58.129 --> 00:02:00.639 bring a light to the deep cave of 00:02:00.639 --> 00:02:03.779 Microsoft news, like a over charged light 00:02:03.789 --> 00:02:05.919 bulb battery exploding in the darkness. 00:02:05.919 --> 00:02:07.599 Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya. 00:02:07.619 --> 00:02:11.392 (Mary-Jo) thanks for having (Paul) It's like your introducing Bond villains there. 00:02:11.392 --> 00:02:12.922 (Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow! 00:02:12.962 --> 00:02:14.372 The masterminds. 00:02:14.372 --> 00:02:16.332 (Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley. 00:02:16.332 --> 00:02:18.262 (Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat? 00:02:18.262 --> 00:02:20.142 and can you do this with your fingers? 00:02:20.825 --> 00:02:23.045 - I think I need that on a business card. 00:02:23.045 --> 00:02:25.125 If I still used business cards I would. 00:02:25.125 --> 00:02:27.485 That is one of those strange things. 00:02:27.509 --> 00:02:29.839 At these conventions that we go to these shows 00:02:29.839 --> 00:02:31.909 we all do the business card thing and 00:02:31.909 --> 00:02:33.819 I've even got down the whole Asian thing 00:02:33.819 --> 00:02:36.499 of handing like this and a bit of a bow. 00:02:36.499 --> 00:02:40.179 But, um, those collect dust afterwards, 00:02:40.179 --> 00:02:42.479 I almost never use them. 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.549 - No, No! I don't even have one. 00:02:45.549 --> 00:02:47.599 - I was going to say I think I have some, 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.399 but I've never brought them anywhere. 00:02:49.399 --> 00:02:51.989 -Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you? 00:02:51.989 --> 00:02:54.599 It's kind of a thing, it's how you say hello, right? 00:02:55.552 --> 00:02:57.692 -Well now people just say, "where can 00:02:57.692 --> 00:02:59.502 I find you?" and I just day "All About 00:02:59.512 --> 00:03:00.532 Microsoft" 00:03:00.612 --> 00:03:02.422 - Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones 00:03:02.422 --> 00:03:04.362 together and say "Power twins activate." 00:03:04.362 --> 00:03:05.502 (Mary-Jo laughs) 00:03:05.502 --> 00:03:07.482 - No, I don't know every once in a while 00:03:07.482 --> 00:03:09.342 someone will hand me a business cards 00:03:09.342 --> 00:03:11.462 and I have a momentary bit of confusion, 00:03:11.462 --> 00:03:13.412 like I don't have one of these things, 00:03:13.412 --> 00:03:15.542 or I don't have it with me. 00:03:15.542 --> 00:03:17.652 You know I feel, it's like a weird moment. 00:03:17.652 --> 00:03:19.732 I feel like I need to give them something 00:03:19.732 --> 00:03:21.602 in return, it's like someone comes over 00:03:21.602 --> 00:03:24.102 with a gift and you don't have anything to give them. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:24.102 --> 00:03:26.304 -Yeah, that's what it is. I know I'm handing 00:03:26.304 --> 00:03:28.254 out cards like they are candy, but it's 00:03:28.254 --> 00:03:30.334 just because I want to give you something. 00:03:30.334 --> 00:03:32.394 It's like thank you very much for your time, 00:03:32.394 --> 00:03:34.384 uh, here's something, and stop talking 00:03:34.384 --> 00:03:35.534 to me now. 00:03:35.534 --> 00:03:36.874 (laughing) yes, right! 00:03:36.874 --> 00:03:38.974 (Paul) I've met the social obligation 00:03:38.974 --> 00:03:42.014 (Father Ballencer) And if you actually want to see 00:03:42.014 --> 00:03:44.234 where this is gonna be put up you can contact 00:03:44.234 --> 00:03:46.324 ma at this other wise I'm just gonna assume 00:03:46.324 --> 00:03:48.694 that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep (laughter) 00:03:50.542 --> 00:03:52.722 (Paul) I needed a resume for something, 00:03:52.722 --> 00:03:54.732 you know, like a year ago or more, I. . . 00:03:57.194 --> 00:03:59.394 Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...? 00:03:59.394 --> 00:04:01.404 (laughing) I don't keep track of my 00:04:01.404 --> 00:04:03.604 accomplishments, I'm not even sure what 00:04:03.604 --> 00:04:05.094 I would do with that. 00:04:05.094 --> 00:04:07.024 (Father Ballencer) Our Field producer, 00:04:07.024 --> 00:04:08.804 Colene Goldstein, she's actually 00:04:08.804 --> 00:04:11.504 really good LinkedIn. Before she hands over 00:04:11.504 --> 00:04:14.194 her card, she'll just say can I find you on 00:04:14.194 --> 00:04:16.334 LinkedIn and she's just building up this huge 00:04:16.334 --> 00:04:18.644 network of all these people that she's connected 00:04:18.644 --> 00:04:20.694 to and she says that's far more efficient 00:04:20.694 --> 00:04:24.074 than trying to take a card and then remember 00:04:24.074 --> 00:04:26.014 where it came from and who they 00:04:26.014 --> 00:04:27.484 represented six weeks ago. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:27.484 --> 00:04:29.434 Because remember a lot of the people you 00:04:29.434 --> 00:04:31.344 meet don't actually work for that company 00:04:31.344 --> 00:04:33.224 they work for a PR company that represents 00:04:33.224 --> 00:04:35.154 the company that you are talking to. (Paul) Right. 00:04:35.224 --> 00:04:37.104 and you won't remember who that is unless 00:04:37.234 --> 00:04:38.944 you actually write it on the back of that card 00:04:38.944 --> 00:04:40.734 and even then sometimes you don't remember 00:04:40.734 --> 00:04:42.524 - I have to look at the lower third to remember 00:04:42.524 --> 00:04:44.804 Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm 00:04:44.804 --> 00:04:46.744 really not good at that kind of thing. 00:04:46.744 --> 00:04:48.304 (Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing. 00:04:48.304 --> 00:04:50.714 (Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here 00:04:50.714 --> 00:04:52.304 If I don't see that? 00:04:52.304 --> 00:04:55.894 (Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does that say? 00:04:55.894 --> 00:05:00.314 (laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not do that. 00:05:00.314 --> 00:05:03.384 I'll right let's get away from social convention 00:05:03.384 --> 00:05:06.934 cuz we've got some pretty spectacular windows news 00:05:06.934 --> 00:05:09.434 who's got this first one, because eventually 00:05:09.434 --> 00:05:12.909 Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right we're not 00:05:12.909 --> 00:05:14.728 offering the free version anymore, maybe we 00:05:14.728 --> 00:05:16.308 should kill that nag screen" 00:05:16.308 --> 00:05:19.518 Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit. Um, 00:05:19.518 --> 00:05:23.518 Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a 00:05:23.518 --> 00:05:27.518 KB article that said "Hey we're finally going to 00:05:27.518 --> 00:05:31.258 push through Windows update, an update 00:05:31.258 --> 00:05:33.928 that takes away the Windows, get Windows 10 app. 00:05:34.938 --> 00:05:38.608 So if you remember July 29th was the actual day 00:05:38.608 --> 00:05:42.008 the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended. 00:05:42.008 --> 00:05:44.248 And at that time they said it might take us 00:05:44.248 --> 00:05:46.298 a little while to faze this out because we've 00:05:46.298 --> 00:05:48.928 so thoroughly inundated everyone with this app 00:05:48.928 --> 00:05:52.628 and the promotion. So actually the real 00:05:52.628 --> 00:05:56.688 day when this ended at least when the app ended 00:05:56.688 --> 00:06:00.018 was yesterday. And it's starting to roll 00:06:00.029 --> 00:06:02.609 through the Windows update. It replaces 00:06:02.609 --> 00:06:05.109 the get Windows 10 app and it goes away. 00:06:05.109 --> 00:06:08.359 But the weird complication not complication 00:06:08.359 --> 00:06:11.229 but the weird kind of coincidence is 00:06:11.229 --> 00:06:13.899 you can actually still get Windows 10 as free upgrade 00:06:13.899 --> 00:06:17.899 You just have to use your existing Windows 7 00:06:17.899 --> 00:06:21.899 or 8.1 product key and you can still unlock the free 00:06:21.899 --> 00:06:25.089 upgrade, which is something Microsoft is not 00:06:25.089 --> 00:06:28.489 actively advertising, but Paul has been verifying it daily. 00:06:28.489 --> 00:06:29.779 (Paul) well weekly 00:06:29.779 --> 00:06:31.639 (Mary-Jo) I've been asking him is it still up 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.239 (Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told that if you do 00:06:34.239 --> 00:06:37.169 the get Windows 10 thing and then you roll it 00:06:37.169 --> 00:06:40.269 back you're always set you can always re-download it 00:06:40.269 --> 00:06:42.359 (Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for new installs. 00:06:42.359 --> 00:06:44.159 In other words you have never done this before 00:06:44.159 --> 00:06:46.939 you have a key you can do a clean Windows 10 00:06:46.939 --> 00:06:48.959 right now and it would still work. 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.189 (Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how 00:06:51.189 --> 00:06:52.519 it's suppose to work. 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.259 (Mary-jo) Yep (Paul) I know, and by the way 00:06:54.259 --> 00:06:56.639 one day it won't, I mean maybe this weekend 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.629 or the weekend after that, someday, I'm gonna 00:06:58.629 --> 00:07:00.479 wake up, I'm gonna test it and it's not gonna work 00:07:00.479 --> 00:07:02.359 you know it's just.. It's going to happen eventually. 00:07:02.359 --> 00:07:05.019 But, um, I wrote an article about this 00:07:05.019 --> 00:07:07.659 not working probably a month ago in anticipation 00:07:07.659 --> 00:07:09.879 of it not working and it's just kept working 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.139 the things been sitting here at my desktop since 00:07:12.139 --> 00:07:14.119 August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and 00:07:14.119 --> 00:07:16.079 do an update everyday just to make sure it still goes? 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.949 (Paul) not everyday and least once a week. 00:07:17.949 --> 00:07:19.089 - Now does this 00:07:19.089 --> 00:07:20.989 (Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you 00:07:20.989 --> 00:07:22.899 still do it? And he's like, Yep you can! 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.929 -So does this now increase the value of the 00:07:27.929 --> 00:07:29.909 Windows 10 upgrade, because now you can't get 00:07:29.909 --> 00:07:32.169 it except maybe if you know this super secret, 00:07:32.169 --> 00:07:33.789 now do people actually want it? 00:07:33.789 --> 00:07:37.199 (Paul) I.. No.. I suppose.. I think the issue 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.699 is.. Well if you wanted to save some money 00:07:39.699 --> 00:07:42.939 I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1 00:07:42.939 --> 00:07:45.979 product key and you know, well you 00:07:45.979 --> 00:07:47.909 wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1 00:07:47.909 --> 00:07:50.949 I should say, it's possibly you can buy a copy of it 00:07:50.949 --> 00:07:53.109 somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it 00:07:53.109 --> 00:07:55.649 anymore and than you could upgrade now for less money 00:07:55.649 --> 00:07:58.199 than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.389 had keys for some reason, maybe a company that has 00:08:01.389 --> 00:08:04.269 keys allotted or you bought the package version 00:08:04.269 --> 00:08:06.699 at some point, maybe you bought the Windows 7 00:08:06.699 --> 00:08:08.879 family pack back in the day and you only used 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:10.889 two of the three keys and you've got an extra 00:08:10.889 --> 00:08:12.869 one sitting around for what ever reason. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:12.946 --> 00:08:16.946 If you have a key, it will work. MSDN keys work 00:08:17.215 --> 00:08:20.285 got them from TechNet that will work. 00:08:20.285 --> 00:08:26.185 um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see. 00:08:26.342 --> 00:08:29.462 -Microsoft won't say when they think 00:08:29.462 --> 00:08:31.422 it will no longer work in fact they aren't 00:08:31.526 --> 00:08:34.256 really publicly saying that it still works 00:08:34.256 --> 00:08:36.256 if you ask them, they just don't answer 00:08:36.256 --> 00:08:37.936 when you ask about this. 00:08:37.936 --> 00:08:41.426 And I assume it's the same thing that they said 00:08:41.426 --> 00:08:43.046 about the get Window 10 app 00:08:43.046 --> 00:08:44.816 that it might take some time for them 00:08:44.816 --> 00:08:47.926 to shut it off. But the other theory is they 00:08:47.926 --> 00:08:50.246 are just leaving it open for those laggers 00:08:50.246 --> 00:08:53.346 who didn't get around to updating by July 29th 00:08:53.346 --> 00:08:55.736 and they can say to them "You know what, psst 00:08:55.736 --> 00:08:57.256 by the way." 00:08:57.256 --> 00:08:59.396 - It doesn't hurt anybody, I think that's the 00:08:59.396 --> 00:09:01.796 point that if they are people out there in the world 00:09:01.796 --> 00:09:04.616 with Windows 7 install that they've never done 00:09:04.616 --> 00:09:07.076 Microsoft would much rather see them be on 00:09:07.076 --> 00:09:09.266 Windows 10, if they're going to do a new Windows 00:09:09.266 --> 00:09:11.176 install. Why wouldn't they want that. 00:09:11.176 --> 00:09:14.376 - I can also see this heading off a lot of 00:09:14.376 --> 00:09:16.886 complaints from people who said "oh man 00:09:16.886 --> 00:09:18.996 I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot and I 00:09:18.996 --> 00:09:20.906 did it in August and it didn't work anymore" 00:09:20.906 --> 00:09:21.906 No that's not actually a valid excuse. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:21.906 --> 00:09:24.241 -Well that argument would work on Aug 20. 00:09:24.241 --> 00:09:29.851 You know September 21st, October 21st, 00:09:29.851 --> 00:09:32.091 It's starting to get to the point where 00:09:32.091 --> 00:09:35.521 you can't pretend you've been 00:09:35.521 --> 00:09:37.991 procrastinating and than just forgot I mean, 00:09:37.991 --> 00:09:40.521 You know at some point it's just. . . 00:09:40.521 --> 00:09:42.411 Their just leaving it open, its fine. 00:09:42.411 --> 00:09:44.381 I have no problem with this. 00:09:44.381 --> 00:09:47.241 - This is actually a huge opportunity for us 00:09:47.241 --> 00:09:49.371 because I know Alex has been trying to 00:09:49.371 --> 00:09:51.191 update the Tri caster to Windows 10 00:09:51.201 --> 00:09:53.191 (Person in background) Actually Padre, Let me correct you 00:09:53.191 --> 00:09:55.181 you shouldn't run Windows update on the 00:09:55.181 --> 00:09:56.961 Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say you should 00:09:56.961 --> 00:09:58.591 So I really hope that nothing. . . 00:09:58.591 --> 00:10:00.731 Oh Crap! (Laughing) 00:10:00.731 --> 00:10:04.409 - This is what happens, You get a nag screen 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:06.539 in the middle of Windows weekly 00:10:06.543 --> 00:10:08.853 that's oddly blocking me out entirely, 00:10:08.865 --> 00:10:10.545 that's different (Mary-Jo) It is 00:10:12.820 --> 00:10:14.980 You know we're going to have to live with this 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:17.340 for the next 20 -30 minutes because 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:20.100 unfortunately, click the initiated and it'll 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:22.450 take that much time to install and 00:10:22.450 --> 00:10:24.480 uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see us though 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.310 we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom 00:10:27.310 --> 00:10:31.170 on us, but the big picture you can see us. 00:10:31.170 --> 00:10:33.460 (Paul) How do I know that this graphic hasn't 00:10:33.460 --> 00:10:36.840 been used more gleefully on Macbreak weekly 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.180 and whatever morning show I'm sure you do? 00:10:39.180 --> 00:10:41.290 (Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google, 00:10:41.290 --> 00:10:43.060 I think this is actually the new title card 00:10:43.060 --> 00:10:45.550 for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will 00:10:45.550 --> 00:10:47.230 never reserve your copy. 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:50.090 - Let me just try... - Ops there you see 00:10:51.612 --> 00:10:55.282 Do either of you still have Windows 7, 8 & 10 00:10:55.282 --> 00:10:57.842 Machines in your environment? 00:10:57.842 --> 00:10:59.552 (Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7, 00:10:59.552 --> 00:11:02.402 (Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all? 00:11:02.402 --> 00:11:04.932 (Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8 00:11:04.990 --> 00:11:10.730 (Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1 and 10 00:11:10.730 --> 00:11:12.590 (Mary-Jo) You have all of them. 00:11:12.590 --> 00:11:14.580 (Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:16.580 does still kill some of my USB devices 00:11:16.580 --> 00:11:18.640 so my production machines have to stay 8 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:20.800 and I have one laptop and that just works 00:11:20.800 --> 00:11:21.630 better at 7. 00:11:23.533 --> 00:11:26.953 (Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still 00:11:26.967 --> 00:11:29.027 use because it's just an older machine, 00:11:29.027 --> 00:11:31.079 the Dell that I've had for awhile I just left 00:11:31.079 --> 00:11:33.329 it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to 00:11:33.329 --> 00:11:35.579 replace the machine Ill just get 00:11:35.579 --> 00:11:37.343 Windows 10 machine. 00:11:37.343 --> 00:11:39.623 (Paul) But what about all those gotta have it 00:11:39.640 --> 00:11:41.130 apps you can't run? 00:11:41.942 --> 00:11:42.592 -Um?! 00:11:49.220 --> 00:11:51.370 (Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question, 00:11:51.370 --> 00:11:53.890 this really did hurt Microsoft's reputation, 00:11:53.890 --> 00:11:56.740 right? I mean Yes, That number of how 00:11:56.740 --> 00:11:58.960 many deployments they have of Windows 10 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:00.600 is forever going to be asterisk. 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:02.480 People said "Well how many of those were 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.560 accidental upgrades or how many of those 00:12:04.560 --> 00:12:06.520 were installs and then rollbacks almost 00:12:06.520 --> 00:12:09.490 immediately. This. . Will people forget this 00:12:09.490 --> 00:12:11.970 or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen 00:12:11.970 --> 00:12:14.150 be the butt of jokes for the next two 00:12:14.150 --> 00:12:16.470 decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've 00:12:16.470 --> 00:12:19.060 irreparably harmed their reputation with 00:12:19.060 --> 00:12:21.250 this and not just Microsoft generally but 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:23.220 the reputation of Windows as well. 00:12:23.478 --> 00:12:26.368 The forced upgrade thing was a huge mistake 00:12:26.368 --> 00:12:29.698 on their part and a very risky gamble and 00:12:29.698 --> 00:12:32.618 the recent people aren't going to forget 00:12:32.618 --> 00:12:35.598 it is because they came out and said we're 00:12:35.598 --> 00:12:37.688 going to hit a billion within two to three 00:12:37.688 --> 00:12:39.860 years and then right before Windows the 00:12:39.860 --> 00:12:41.850 windows ten free upgrade ended they said 00:12:41.850 --> 00:12:43.850 you know what we're not going to make that 00:12:43.850 --> 00:12:46.130 goal and so even though they did that they 00:12:46.130 --> 00:12:48.280 were unable to you know meet this reasonable 00:12:48.304 --> 00:12:50.924 goal, I thought, of reaching a billion 00:12:50.924 --> 00:12:53.334 users in that timeframe. 00:12:53.334 --> 00:12:55.124 - You know Mary Jo there's two ways to 00:12:55.124 --> 00:12:57.304 look at this. There's one way and this would, 00:12:57.304 --> 00:12:59.434 I think this is where Paul lines up, there 00:12:59.434 --> 00:13:01.294 was an executive or some marketing person 00:13:01.294 --> 00:13:03.204 who said you know what we want to hit a 00:13:03.204 --> 00:13:05.024 billion because it sounds like a great number. 00:13:05.024 --> 00:13:07.034 So let's just force this on people. The 00:13:07.034 --> 00:13:09.734 other way to think of this is that some 00:13:09.734 --> 00:13:11.724 engineers said you know what people 00:13:11.724 --> 00:13:13.574 will like ten if they just try it if we just 00:13:13.574 --> 00:13:15.634 get it on the machine they will understand 00:13:15.634 --> 00:13:17.234 what all the hoopla is about. 00:13:17.234 --> 00:13:19.344 Which of those do you fall with? 00:13:19.344 --> 00:13:22.064 - So I also, like Paul, think this was a 00:13:22.064 --> 00:13:25.634 big mistake and the part that really 00:13:25.634 --> 00:13:28.344 kind of riled me the most was when 00:13:28.344 --> 00:13:30.754 Microsoft was taking the tack of saying 00:13:30.754 --> 00:13:32.974 it's for users own good that were doing 00:13:32.974 --> 00:13:36.738 this and you know I was like wait this is 00:13:36.738 --> 00:13:38.928 so paternalistic How can you say what's 00:13:38.932 --> 00:13:41.312 for my good or my mother's good who 00:13:41.312 --> 00:13:43.512 accidently got Windows ten and like flipped 00:13:43.512 --> 00:13:46.392 out when she got it you know I just think 00:13:46.392 --> 00:13:48.902 that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They 00:13:48.902 --> 00:13:51.482 made a free upgrade available very easily 00:13:51.482 --> 00:13:53.362 to people but I don't think they should 00:13:53.362 --> 00:13:55.542 have rammed it down people's throat. 00:13:57.742 --> 00:13:59.982 But it's also, I don’t know if it qualifies 00:13:59.982 --> 00:14:02.172 as ironic but, You know one of the kind of 00:14:02.172 --> 00:14:04.192 contracts you enter into with Microsoft 00:14:04.192 --> 00:14:06.542 when you do install or get Windows 10 is 00:14:06.542 --> 00:14:08.762 you're accepting a constant stream of 00:14:08.762 --> 00:14:11.142 upgrades and you really can't do anything NOTE Paragraph 00:14:11.142 --> 00:14:12.992 as an individual to prevent that from 00:14:12.992 --> 00:14:15.332 happening. Least not elegantly or easily 00:14:15.332 --> 00:14:18.382 and your introduction to this new world is 00:14:18.382 --> 00:14:20.922 Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly 00:14:20.922 --> 00:14:22.872 jamming Windows 10 down your throat 00:14:22.872 --> 00:14:25.512 you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview 00:14:25.512 --> 00:14:27.732 of what the future holds for you when you 00:14:27.732 --> 00:14:31.042 do this and it's just the wrong first step 00:14:31.042 --> 00:14:35.042 you know to resent, it was a terrible mistake 00:14:35.042 --> 00:14:39.042 - Yeah and then the hiding of the way 00:14:39.042 --> 00:14:41.832 that you would actually accept the upgrade 00:14:41.832 --> 00:14:44.282 where people were closing the window. 00:14:44.282 --> 00:14:47.112 That was really bad. That made like a bad 00:14:47.112 --> 00:14:51.112 situation worse. So yeah not a good look. 00:14:51.112 --> 00:14:54.152 - In writing about this topic today 00:14:54.191 --> 00:14:56.741 I decided not to go back and hit on every 00:14:56.741 --> 00:14:59.081 single little milestone in this because 00:14:59.081 --> 00:15:01.041 frankly it's kind of depressing. 00:15:01.041 --> 00:15:03.031 You know, when you go back to look at the 00:15:03.031 --> 00:15:05.421 sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm 00:15:05.421 --> 00:15:07.511 sure have written about this get Windows 10 00:15:07.511 --> 00:15:09.831 thing since last year and the various ways 00:15:09.831 --> 00:15:12.141 they changed it silently some Windows 00:15:12.141 --> 00:15:14.361 Update, or group of Windows Updates would 00:15:14.361 --> 00:15:16.201 go out, some of them would prevent the 00:15:16.201 --> 00:15:18.561 blockers from, you know or the un-blockers 00:15:18.561 --> 00:15:20.671 I guess from you know working. 00:15:20.671 --> 00:15:22.601 some of them would change the way the 00:15:22.601 --> 00:15:24.681 dialog looked or worked. You know in the 00:15:24.681 --> 00:15:26.991 past when you close the window, it would 00:15:26.991 --> 00:15:29.331 just go away but at one point when you 00:15:29.331 --> 00:15:31.491 close the window you silently have accepted 00:15:31.491 --> 00:15:35.291 the upgrade and that's purposefully evil. 00:15:35.291 --> 00:15:37.401 It's terrible. 00:15:37.477 --> 00:15:39.707 -For me I think that hurt more than anything 00:15:39.707 --> 00:15:42.977 else because I understand wanting to 00:15:42.977 --> 00:15:45.157 force out the update. Especially since 00:15:45.157 --> 00:15:46.897 they believe it's going to be much more 00:15:46.897 --> 00:15:48.947 secure, it's going to be much more feature 00:15:48.947 --> 00:15:51.527 rich. But the fact that they kept playing 00:15:51.527 --> 00:15:53.377 cat and mouse with people who just didn't 00:15:53.377 --> 00:15:55.527 want to be nagged anymore. That's the 00:15:55.527 --> 00:15:59.027 reputation strike it's like ok if I went to 00:15:59.027 --> 00:16:01.317 the trouble of removing that nag screen 00:16:01.317 --> 00:16:03.627 then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can 00:16:03.627 --> 00:16:05.887 do that. So the fact that you're trying to 00:16:05.887 --> 00:16:08.507 work around what I did. Now I feel as if 00:16:08.507 --> 00:16:10.867 we're playing Microsoft nanny state. 00:16:10.867 --> 00:16:12.317 -Right -Yeah, yeah 00:16:12.317 --> 00:16:15.067 A lot of times you know they keep saying 00:16:15.067 --> 00:16:17.637 you know what, we're letting people get 00:16:17.637 --> 00:16:19.827 around it, if they go in and edit the 00:16:19.827 --> 00:16:21.987 registry settings. I'm like, wait a second 00:16:21.987 --> 00:16:24.457 hold on, that's not something most people 00:16:24.457 --> 00:16:27.677 should do. In fact, probably very few 00:16:27.677 --> 00:16:29.747 should do it. And so when that was 00:16:29.747 --> 00:16:32.187 like “Hey were giving you an alternative 00:16:32.187 --> 00:16:34.197 to get out of it. I was like uh, that's 00:16:34.197 --> 00:16:35.657 not a good option. 00:16:35.657 --> 00:16:37.357 -That's not an alternative. 00:16:37.357 --> 00:16:38.217 –No 00:16:38.217 --> 00:16:40.747 - I mean the funny thing they get looking 00:16:40.747 --> 00:16:42.717 back over a year of articles for this topic. 00:16:42.717 --> 00:16:45.367 What I reminded myself of was in late June 00:16:45.367 --> 00:16:48.537 one month before the free offer ended. 00:16:48.537 --> 00:16:51.287 They finally added something to that 00:16:51.287 --> 00:16:53.417 box that said I don't want this please 00:16:53.417 --> 00:16:55.727 stop asking me. It took them eleven of 00:16:55.727 --> 00:16:58.627 the twelve months to get to that point. 00:16:58.627 --> 00:17:01.007 That's how it should have been on day one. 00:17:01.007 --> 00:17:03.437 You know it's just uh, you just can't 00:17:03.437 --> 00:17:05.957 recover from this. We don't know, we may 00:17:05.957 --> 00:17:09.037 never know the psychological impact that 00:17:09.037 --> 00:17:11.507 had on what may or may not have been 00:17:11.507 --> 00:17:13.627 very good to Microsoft customers that day, 00:17:13.627 --> 00:17:15.857 who upon looking for a new computer at 00:17:15.857 --> 00:17:18.577 some time in the future may decide they 00:17:18.577 --> 00:17:20.877 need, they are going to get a pro book 00:17:20.877 --> 00:17:23.647 instead or a mac book or well probably not 00:17:23.647 --> 00:17:25.777 a Linux computer that's crazy. But you know 00:17:25.777 --> 00:17:27.757 what I'm saying. That they're going to look 00:17:27.757 --> 00:17:30.457 at an iPad even or something, whatever. 00:17:30.460 --> 00:17:32.720 And just make that decision because they 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.530 don't want to be harassed which is a 00:17:35.530 --> 00:17:38.490 completely reasonable request. You know. 00:17:38.780 --> 00:17:42.650 -Let's close the book on this bad chapter. 00:17:42.964 --> 00:17:45.214 –Yeah, yeah I think so. 00:17:45.727 --> 00:17:48.027 It's not a mulligan but it's since you say 00:17:48.027 --> 00:17:50.337 OK you know what, you kind of hit some 00:17:50.337 --> 00:17:52.377 of the numbers you wanted not the big one 00:17:52.377 --> 00:17:54.757 but now actually show us that our faith in 00:17:54.757 --> 00:17:57.127 you is not misplaced. But to be fair, we 00:17:57.127 --> 00:17:59.617 could look at other companies in the 00:17:59.617 --> 00:18:01.867 industry, like Google that are doing the 00:18:01.867 --> 00:18:03.877 same sort of strong arm tactics. 00:18:03.899 --> 00:18:06.189 Google right now is making a big push for 00:18:06.189 --> 00:18:08.529 HTTPS, they want everything to be encypted 00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:10.839 end to end on the internet, that's a good 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.019 goal, but some people feel that their 00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:15.269 approach is heavy handed. Now, the new 00:18:15.269 --> 00:18:17.989 updates to Chrome are going to automatically 00:18:17.989 --> 00:18:20.219 mark any site that doesn't have HTTPS built 00:18:20.219 --> 00:18:22.479 into it as insecure so that little icon is 00:18:22.479 --> 00:18:24.549 going to pop up, warning people that maybe 00:18:24.549 --> 00:18:26.359 they shouldn't visit the site. People think 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:28.639 that's heavy handed, but those looking at 00:18:28.639 --> 00:18:30.849 it say, "well this is ultimately going to 00:18:30.849 --> 00:18:33.209 lead to a better internet." you could make 00:18:33.209 --> 00:18:35.229 the same call here. You could say "Look, 00:18:35.229 --> 00:18:36.779 this was heavy handed, this was 00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:39.329 Microsoft being the worst of the nannies, 00:18:39.329 --> 00:18:42.099 but a more secure OS ultimately is a 00:18:42.099 --> 00:18:44.139 better experience." 00:18:44.139 --> 00:18:47.109 -All of the goals that Microsoft had for 00:18:47.109 --> 00:18:49.829 this were valid right. Even the self-serving 00:18:49.829 --> 00:18:51.759 ones you know, the notion that we would 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:53.969 all be better off if more of us run the NOTE Paragraph 00:18:53.969 --> 00:18:55.829 very latest version of the O. S. and we're 00:18:55.829 --> 00:18:58.149 always updated to be on that version would 00:18:58.149 --> 00:19:00.069 make us all more secure because it's less 00:19:00.069 --> 00:19:02.359 work for Microsoft to do to fix the problems 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.539 you know, are going to occur down the road 00:19:04.539 --> 00:19:06.909 Everyone benefits from that there's no. . 00:19:06.909 --> 00:19:08.759 you can't really dispute it. But the 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:10.449 problem is when they say oh good, everyone 00:19:10.449 --> 00:19:11.999 agrees? Good! Now you're all getting the 00:19:11.999 --> 00:19:13.699 new upgrade is like whoa whoa hold on a 00:19:13.699 --> 00:19:15.389 second, you know, you mention for example 00:19:15.389 --> 00:19:17.219 that you have U.S.B. devices that don't 00:19:17.219 --> 00:19:18.879 work on Windows 10. I'm sure anyone. 00:19:18.879 --> 00:19:21.099 listening to this has some examples of 00:19:21.099 --> 00:19:22.979 some things whatever might be, uh… 00:19:22.979 --> 00:19:25.599 that don't work you know or some reason 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:27.639 whatever it may be that they couldn't 00:19:27.639 --> 00:19:30.309 upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't 00:19:30.309 --> 00:19:32.319 believe you can I mean they tried you can't 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.429 really just jam this kind of thing down 00:19:34.429 --> 00:19:35.669 people's throats. 00:19:35.669 --> 00:19:38.869 -And for our few fruit flans in the chat room 00:19:38.869 --> 00:19:41.939 right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying 00:19:41.939 --> 00:19:44.179 to force Windows 10 on people was a 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.890 boondoggle. Whereas another company's 00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:49.680 decision to remove a standard port was brave? 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.350 (Mary-Jo laughs) Courage 00:19:51.350 --> 00:19:52.820 (Paul) Good marketing. 00:19:52.820 --> 00:19:56.110 (Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just 00:19:56.110 --> 00:19:58.300 Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just 00:19:58.300 --> 00:19:59.820 misunderstanding it. 00:19:59.820 --> 00:20:02.970 -Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK 00:20:02.970 --> 00:20:06.970 (Paul) It was courageous of them to attempt. 00:20:06.970 --> 00:20:09.240 (Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.510 I will say something I really don't like 00:20:11.510 --> 00:20:13.840 is the fact that they've disabled something 00:20:13.861 --> 00:20:16.381 from 8 because if you do Windows stacked 00:20:16.381 --> 00:20:18.551 side by side it's pretty seamless but if 00:20:18.551 --> 00:20:20.591 you do one on top of the other there's 00:20:20.591 --> 00:20:22.901 always a hard break as you move between 00:20:22.901 --> 00:20:25.211 screens. In 8 you used to be able to 00:20:25.211 --> 00:20:27.671 disable that sticky window, you just move 00:20:27.671 --> 00:20:30.081 right through it. You can do the same 00:20:30.082 --> 00:20:32.882 registry edit in 10 but it doesn't fix it. 00:20:32.882 --> 00:20:35.432 That never goes away and that's why I 00:20:35.432 --> 00:20:38.752 don't understand that, Go figure. All right. 00:20:38.752 --> 00:20:41.492 When we come back. 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And we thank Sonic 00:23:21.668 --> 00:23:24.748 for their support of Windows Weekly. 00:23:25.428 --> 00:23:28.148 OK this is one of these stories that it 00:23:28.148 --> 00:23:31.298 almost feels as if a continuation of stories 00:23:31.298 --> 00:23:33.778 that we've already covered but who 00:23:33.778 --> 00:23:35.958 wants to talk about the bad news for 00:23:35.958 --> 00:23:37.558 pink slips over at Microsoft. 00:23:37.568 --> 00:23:40.968 (Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the Skype thing first. 00:23:40.968 --> 00:23:42.988 (Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know 00:23:42.988 --> 00:23:45.768 what that's hold off on the super awesome 00:23:45.768 --> 00:23:47.838 (Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can 00:23:47.838 --> 00:23:49.605 we could kind of mix it up a little. 00:23:49.605 --> 00:23:52.555 -The people getting pink slips got them over Skype. (laughter) 00:23:52.555 --> 00:23:54.555 (Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting 00:23:54.555 --> 00:23:56.365 (Paul) Which explains why some of them 00:23:56.365 --> 00:23:59.385 have been home. Some of them got it seventeen times. (laughing) 00:23:59.385 --> 00:24:03.065 (Mary-Jo) Burn, burn (Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype. 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:09.240 -Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S. relate because you, I think you've 00:24:09.245 --> 00:24:11.185 actually looked at it, right? 00:24:11.185 --> 00:24:15.185 -No, well not exactly, so, Err, how do I explain this, 00:24:15.185 --> 00:24:19.185 but earlier this year Microsoft announced a feature that was going to come 00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:23.080 in the Windows 10 anniversary update called messaging everywhere 00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:26.180 and the idea is that you have a Windows Phone or an Android phone 00:24:26.186 --> 00:24:30.186 and you can use your computer to send text messages and receive text messages 00:24:30.186 --> 00:24:34.026 right like you can do in a Mac if you have an iPhone as well. 00:24:34.026 --> 00:24:37.666 And everyone was really excited about it, some insiders started testing it 00:24:37.667 --> 00:24:40.457 and then very late in the game they said you know what. NOTE Paragraph 00:24:40.457 --> 00:24:42.897 Actually we're not going to put this in Windows 10. 00:24:42.897 --> 00:24:46.137 This makes more sense for Skype we'll put it in the Skype preview app 00:24:46.137 --> 00:24:49.157 but sometime later in the year they yanked it out of Windows 10 00:24:49.157 --> 00:24:52.262 some people were disappointed you know because they were using it 00:24:52.262 --> 00:24:56.262 but you know I think we can agree that a messaging feature makes more sense for 00:24:56.262 --> 00:25:00.072 Microsoft's messaging solution than it does for Windows specifically so 00:25:00.072 --> 00:25:03.602 it's going to be part of Skype. So in the most recent Windows insider build 00:25:03.602 --> 00:25:07.602 which was released last week I think Microsoft's added this feature in for 00:25:07.602 --> 00:25:11.202 the first time and now they're calling it S.M.S. relay actually been calling 00:25:11.202 --> 00:25:15.007 about for some time but it's a slightly more technical and less interesting name 00:25:15.007 --> 00:25:18.727 and the functionality is supposed to work the same way in this initial version 00:25:18.727 --> 00:25:22.727 however you need to have the latest fast ring version of Windows 10 from 00:25:22.727 --> 00:25:26.727 windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or something like that. And you also need 00:25:27.407 --> 00:25:31.407 to have that same build on Windows 10 mobile it only works on those two systems 00:25:32.025 --> 00:25:36.025 so I have both of these things but I couldn't get it. 00:25:36.034 --> 00:25:39.374 I'm not seeing it on my phone I don't know why. 00:25:39.374 --> 00:25:43.474 but the idea again is that you can from the Skype preview app on Windows 10 00:25:43.474 --> 00:25:48.200 for P.C.'s send and receive text messages and so if your phone is over the corner 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.200 charging somebody sends you a text message you get a notification on your P.C. 00:25:52.215 --> 00:25:56.215 click on it you can reply to it right there. It sends out over your phone 00:25:56.215 --> 00:25:59.475 as you would expect so it's coming. NOTE Paragraph 00:25:59.475 --> 00:26:03.205 And it will come as part of Skype, right? So we won't have 00:26:03.205 --> 00:26:06.265 to wait for the next major version of Windows 10 to get it. 00:26:06.265 --> 00:26:10.375 Which by the way is another one of the advantages of putting it on Skype. 00:26:10.375 --> 00:26:14.195 -You know what's weird though I think I messaged you about this that I have an 00:26:14.234 --> 00:26:18.234 Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C. and I am seeing my text messages 00:26:18.234 --> 00:26:22.234 from my phone show up on my Windows 10 P.C. and I'm not on 00:26:22.234 --> 00:26:26.234 the insider program right! –Which is really interesting. 00:26:26.239 --> 00:26:30.239 -Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana though because I have Cortana on both 00:26:30.239 --> 00:26:34.239 and I believe that also gives you some of that functionality but that then 00:26:34.246 --> 00:26:39.716 I'm like OK So is this in the future going to be taken out of Cortana? 00:26:39.721 --> 00:26:43.801 -Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of confusing because this is hum, 00:26:43.801 --> 00:26:48.361 I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm still updating for the anniversary update 00:26:48.371 --> 00:26:52.371 and one of the things I put off literally to the very end that I will wrote right 00:26:52.371 --> 00:26:56.611 in the last of all the new content is phone integration because it's actually a 00:26:56.611 --> 00:27:01.551 little convoluted there are three ways right now that you can get information 00:27:01.551 --> 00:27:05.551 back and forth from your phone through Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this 00:27:05.551 --> 00:27:09.551 new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype preview. One is the thing you're seeing 00:27:09.551 --> 00:27:13.931 which is the Cortana integration but there's also like a Windows phone 00:27:13.931 --> 00:27:18.635 integration I will get Windows Phone notifications in Action Center on NOTE Paragraph 00:27:18.635 --> 00:27:22.635 Windows 10 that are notifications that came from Windows 10 in the phone and so 00:27:22.636 --> 00:27:26.286 they could be about anything it will be like Facebook updates. 00:27:26.286 --> 00:27:30.286 You know different things from different apps on the phone and those things will 00:27:30.286 --> 00:27:34.286 actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C. NOTE Paragraph 00:27:34.292 --> 00:27:37.662 as well. So I'm still trying to kind of.. 00:27:37.662 --> 00:27:41.662 where and how all these things happen and why you know it's interesting I have 00:27:41.665 --> 00:27:45.665 three different phones, so I have and Android phone like you do and I have the 00:27:45.665 --> 00:27:49.086 Windows Phone and also an iPhone So the iPhone doesn't really do anything 00:27:49.086 --> 00:27:52.796 but the expectation is that you'll have a pretty decent level of functionality 00:27:52.796 --> 00:27:56.036 through Android if you have Windows 10 and then obviously if you have 00:27:56.036 --> 00:27:58.486 Windows 10 mobile you would have the best experience 00:27:58.486 --> 00:28:01.436 because those two things would be tightly integrated. 00:28:01.436 --> 00:28:04.686 -You know that's something in a feature I actually would really like 00:28:04.687 --> 00:28:08.687 something in Windows that shows me how the various services integrate because 00:28:08.687 --> 00:28:12.687 it's always an crapshoot for me about what notifications I get on what devices like 00:28:12.687 --> 00:28:17.247 you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got Windows devices I've got Android I think 00:28:17.247 --> 00:28:22.337 Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never really sure what is syncing and what's not 00:28:22.358 --> 00:28:27.528 -It's like a roulette wheel and I just was speaking Skype specifically, this morning 00:28:27.528 --> 00:28:31.528 I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're you know we're texting back and forth 00:28:31.533 --> 00:28:35.533 he writes, I write you know five minutes goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden 00:28:35.537 --> 00:28:40.797 one of my three phones in this case it was my iPhone the screen lights up and 00:28:40.802 --> 00:28:45.462 I look over and it's a Skype notification of something. Brad had written me on Skype 00:28:45.496 --> 00:28:49.796 about two minutes earlier. And so for some reason that one version of the app 00:28:49.806 --> 00:28:55.176 on that one phone lit up. It was like all my devices or weight are in the back and 00:28:55.205 --> 00:28:59.205 one of those are like I got it. I got it, NOTE Paragraph 00:28:59.210 --> 00:29:02.160 and it just kind of like I'm having an NOTE Paragraph 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.690 active conversation in Skype on Windows. NOTE Paragraph 00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:07.559 You know why? NOTE Paragraph 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.947 Why would these other things? You know how it is, if I go to my 00:29:11.947 --> 00:29:17.067 Android phone and I turn them on right now and I go into Skype. You know thus 00:29:17.094 --> 00:29:21.094 waking it up which is a mistake. It's like Jason from Friday the 13th or something 00:29:21.094 --> 00:29:25.094 but if I do wake it up briefly it will flash those one two three conversations 00:29:25.110 --> 00:29:29.110 that are marked unread the conversations I had earlier with Brad actually this one 00:29:29.122 --> 00:29:36.332 from Twit and the conversations I had with Mary Jo according to this version of 00:29:36.350 --> 00:29:39.350 the app these conversations are unread. 00:29:39.469 --> 00:29:45.189 -I know, that happens to me too. Yet when I when I've had my Windows 10 00:29:45.230 --> 00:29:49.230 laptop off for a while I turn on you know they all the messages filtered through 00:29:49.253 --> 00:29:52.943 but then some show up as unread and some show up as read. 00:29:52.944 --> 00:29:53.644 -Yep. 00:29:53.674 --> 00:29:57.674 -So I'm not sure what makes both of those things happen. 00:29:57.710 --> 00:30:02.060 -Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10 notification I just turning off everything 00:30:02.080 --> 00:30:06.080 because I was so tired of receiving the same notifications 15 times 00:30:06.118 --> 00:30:06.868 -Yep 00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:14.470 -Actually there's something else that I do love the syncing across accounts 00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:18.220 that actually does work nicely except for the fact that at home. I've got this 00:30:18.220 --> 00:30:22.220 monster set up with two 4K. monitors and a bunch of little monitors around the 00:30:22.241 --> 00:30:27.501 periphery and it tries to import those preferences into my laptop and it doesn't 00:30:27.506 --> 00:30:31.556 matter how many times I tell it not to do that it. There's always an update in the, 00:30:31.556 --> 00:30:35.556 the switch gets turned back on & suddenly all the text on my laptop is tiny. 00:30:35.576 --> 00:30:39.576 Because it's adjusting with what it thinks I want to the desktop, which that's again 00:30:39.593 --> 00:30:45.353 I want some sort of central control panel that shows all my devices and which 00:30:45.353 --> 00:30:50.413 settings are moving between which devices. It sounds like that's an absolute 00:30:50.413 --> 00:30:54.413 necessity now with all the different devices that we use. And with all the 00:30:54.413 --> 00:30:59.813 syncing that Microsoft trying to build into the products. That's a necessity. 00:31:00.862 --> 00:31:05.582 -Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't have a big presence slash 00:31:05.582 --> 00:31:11.112 any presence in Mobile and so one of the concerns that they have that maybe Apple 00:31:11.118 --> 00:31:16.298 doesn't have and Google only has to a lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the 00:31:16.323 --> 00:31:22.323 cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S. 00:31:22.342 --> 00:31:25.882 relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS and Android as 00:31:25.906 --> 00:31:30.586 well and it's a reasonable expectation that it would but 00:31:30.586 --> 00:31:34.357 you know of course on Android you have a Microsoft has a 00:31:34.357 --> 00:31:36.917 much easier way of getting into the system and making 00:31:36.917 --> 00:31:40.047 this more seamless whereas in IOS, if you think about how 00:31:40.049 --> 00:31:43.029 Cortana works you kind of have to go in and run the app 00:31:43.036 --> 00:31:46.086 for some things to happen. You know it's never going to be as. . 00:31:46.086 --> 00:31:49.966 even though it can you know, it can sort of run in the background a little bit 00:31:49.966 --> 00:31:53.966 you can never be sure that it will always be there. This is more easily done on 00:31:53.973 --> 00:31:57.973 Android and Windows Phone So if you… Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head 00:31:57.973 --> 00:32:02.363 has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay on IOS Android? 00:32:03.578 --> 00:32:07.078 -I don't remember them saying that. 00:32:07.078 --> 00:32:09.528 –It seems like it would have to the right? 00:32:09.528 --> 00:32:11.418 (Mary-Jo) I know it does seemed like it would have to 00:32:11.418 --> 00:32:13.504 -What would be the point of S.M.S relay 00:32:13.504 --> 00:32:14.694 to Windows 10 mobile? 00:32:14.694 --> 00:32:15.594 -Right. 00:32:15.594 --> 00:32:17.864 - Mary Jo I've got an enterprise question 00:32:17.864 --> 00:32:20.444 for you. Do we know how many versions of 00:32:20.476 --> 00:32:22.966 messaging Windows has.. uh Microsoft has 00:32:22.969 --> 00:32:25.369 because you've got Skype. You've got 00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:27.449 Skype for business. You've got Skype for 00:32:27.449 --> 00:32:29.269 broadcast and then you've got the link 00:32:29.269 --> 00:32:31.229 stuff which was actually supposed to take 00:32:31.229 --> 00:32:33.429 over for the Skype stuff but then that 00:32:33.437 --> 00:32:35.847 seems to be flipped. Now that we've got the Dela 00:32:35.847 --> 00:32:38.537 do you see what's in the strategy going 00:32:38.537 --> 00:32:40.957 forward or we just keep getting fractured 00:32:40.957 --> 00:32:43.637 off into different types of Skype and do they still have 00:32:43.650 --> 00:32:46.520 that artificial delineation between consumer and enterprise? 00:32:46.520 --> 00:32:48.590 -They do. They still have the delineation 00:32:48.590 --> 00:32:50.650 there is still Skype consumer and Skype 00:32:50.650 --> 00:32:52.479 for business are not the same product 00:32:52.479 --> 00:32:56.299 even though they're both called Skype and you're right. Link is still kind of 00:32:56.299 --> 00:32:58.969 hanging around for some on premises 00:32:58.969 --> 00:33:01.339 stuff but ultimately Link, the Link name 00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:03.739 will totally go away and link will be 00:33:03.739 --> 00:33:06.899 completely superseded by Skype for business that will happen. 00:33:06.914 --> 00:33:10.814 -Because that was going the other way. I mean Skype was going to go to go away and 00:33:10.814 --> 00:33:13.964 they were going to keep Link and so now they've reversed on that. 00:33:13.964 --> 00:33:15.764 - Yes So I think they're being pretty 00:33:15.772 --> 00:33:18.962 consistent on length being supplanted by Skype for business. 00:33:18.963 --> 00:33:19.673 -OK. 00:33:19.673 --> 00:33:21.783 -I think next week which is Microsoft 00:33:21.785 --> 00:33:24.645 ignite we might hear some new things 00:33:24.645 --> 00:33:26.905 about Skype for business and kind of 00:33:26.905 --> 00:33:29.065 where that's going because every time we 00:33:29.085 --> 00:33:31.225 ask Microsoft about Skype they'll answer 00:33:31.225 --> 00:33:33.095 Skype consumer questions but they won't 00:33:33.095 --> 00:33:35.605 talk at all about Skype for business. And 00:33:35.605 --> 00:33:37.478 I think next week's show because it's a NOTE Paragraph 00:33:37.478 --> 00:33:39.338 very IT pro focus show we probably will 00:33:39.338 --> 00:33:41.998 hear some new things about Skype for 00:33:41.998 --> 00:33:44.048 business and hopefully about how it's 00:33:44.048 --> 00:33:46.418 going to be syncing soon with OneDrive 00:33:46.418 --> 00:33:48.778 and OneDrive for business. That's 00:33:48.778 --> 00:33:51.058 something people are really waiting 00:33:51.058 --> 00:33:53.238 anxiously for and last we heard that was 00:33:53.242 --> 00:33:55.432 going to happen in the final calendar 00:33:55.432 --> 00:33:59.132 quarter of this year. So we're almost in the final calendar quarter. 00:33:59.137 --> 00:34:01.867 Seems like we should get some new News on that next week. 00:34:01.867 --> 00:34:04.617 - Wait Skype for business will sync with OneDrive? 00:34:04.633 --> 00:34:06.363 -With OneDrive for business, yes! 00:34:06.363 --> 00:34:08.453 -How does that.. Wait what is it syncing? 00:34:08.453 --> 00:34:12.373 - They’ll be integration. Sorry. Am I saying OneDrive business or 00:34:12.373 --> 00:34:15.143 am I thinking Share Point. I’m thinking about Share Point. 00:34:15.143 --> 00:34:16.463 -OK, OK that makes sense 00:34:16.463 --> 00:34:18.573 -Sorry I'm thinking about Share Point 00:34:18.573 --> 00:34:20.703 when I'm saying OneDrive for business but 00:34:20.703 --> 00:34:25.033 um, it may, Microsoft talked about Share Point and OneDrive business being able to 00:34:25.036 --> 00:34:28.006 actually have better sync across those 00:34:28.006 --> 00:34:30.656 two products and they said that was going 00:34:30.672 --> 00:34:33.292 to counter Q four and I think that's what 00:34:33.292 --> 00:34:35.742 we might hear about next week. But yeah 00:34:35.742 --> 00:34:37.812 you know every time we ask about Skype. 00:34:37.812 --> 00:34:39.714 You know we've heard recently that Skype 00:34:39.714 --> 00:34:41.664 is moving to this new kind of universal 00:34:41.664 --> 00:34:43.934 next generation client and when I asked 00:34:43.934 --> 00:34:45.744 Microsoft you know does that also mean 00:34:45.744 --> 00:34:47.564 Skype for businesses is going to be on 00:34:47.564 --> 00:34:49.134 that same universal client. 00:34:49.134 --> 00:34:51.954 They said we're not really talking about Skype for Business. 00:34:51.956 --> 00:34:53.276 -You're like whoa. 00:34:53.286 --> 00:34:55.656 -Don't get ahead of yourself here. 00:34:55.805 --> 00:34:58.455 - And don't forget the upcoming Skype for 00:34:58.455 --> 00:35:00.615 Web R.T.C. because I mean that's also 00:35:00.616 --> 00:35:03.416 another universal client and universal, universal. 00:35:06.566 --> 00:35:09.576 -But we should talk about this thing that 00:35:09.576 --> 00:35:13.386 surfaced this week called Skype for life. Speaking of . 00:35:13.386 --> 00:35:16.342 -Oh good I was just hoping we would have another Skype. 00:35:16.342 --> 00:35:19.332 - Speaking of Jason from Friday the 13th. (laughing) 00:35:19.333 --> 00:35:21.833 -OK what is Skype For Life? 00:35:21.833 --> 00:35:26.803 -OK So ARS Technica Dr Pizza over there 00:35:26.803 --> 00:35:28.993 got a tip from one of his sources or 00:35:29.021 --> 00:35:31.351 maybe multiple sources that Microsoft was 00:35:31.351 --> 00:35:35.351 working on a product called Skype For Life and he and a lot of us have first 00:35:35.351 --> 00:35:38.601 kind of thought maybe this was a name for 00:35:38.601 --> 00:35:41.921 the universal Skype client that would 00:35:41.921 --> 00:35:44.301 work across all different platforms that 00:35:44.304 --> 00:35:46.794 would be kind of like what Microsoft has 00:35:46.794 --> 00:35:48.874 described as the universal Windows 00:35:48.874 --> 00:35:51.034 platform equivalent but for the other 00:35:51.051 --> 00:35:53.251 platforms like IOS and Android. But then 00:35:53.251 --> 00:35:55.511 Paul dug around a little and thought it 00:35:55.511 --> 00:35:58.481 through and he says no but that is not what that it is. 00:35:58.704 --> 00:36:00.244 -No! No 00:36:01.613 --> 00:36:03.903 I mean I talked to Peter about it. 00:36:04.061 --> 00:36:05.751 Skype, ironically. 00:36:07.359 --> 00:36:09.669 And I don't doubt that he was told this 00:36:09.699 --> 00:36:12.719 and I don't doubt that the person who 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.448 told him saw this and thought that they 00:36:15.448 --> 00:36:17.940 understood what they were seeing but you 00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:20.149 know I talked to the Skype guys back in 00:36:20.149 --> 00:36:22.799 June or July about the strategy Mary Jo 00:36:22.799 --> 00:36:25.563 just discussed where they're moving to a 00:36:25.563 --> 00:36:27.883 new generation clients they have updated 00:36:27.883 --> 00:36:29.693 their back end infrastructure they 00:36:29.780 --> 00:36:32.080 temporarily have to maintain the old 00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:34.150 P.D.P. infrastructure for certain 00:36:34.150 --> 00:36:36.270 applications or services but that's going 00:36:36.270 --> 00:36:38.410 to be going away. The combination of 00:36:38.410 --> 00:36:40.750 these two back end services explains the 00:36:40.750 --> 00:36:43.200 Skype reliability issues that we've all 00:36:43.233 --> 00:36:45.353 seen over the past you know several 00:36:45.366 --> 00:36:47.976 months I was told. And I thought you 00:36:48.004 --> 00:36:50.784 know, Skype For Life and making yet again 00:36:50.821 --> 00:36:54.661 new, some new client that would somehow 00:36:54.661 --> 00:36:57.141 run across all those platforms didn't 00:36:57.141 --> 00:36:59.641 make any sense to me and if you look at 00:36:59.641 --> 00:37:02.221 that next to their previously stated 00:37:02.229 --> 00:37:04.459 strategy it's clear to me that Skype For 00:37:04.459 --> 00:37:06.609 Life is just a marketing term and what 00:37:06.618 --> 00:37:08.638 they're describing internally I think is 00:37:08.638 --> 00:37:10.938 the culmination of that previous existing 00:37:10.938 --> 00:37:13.118 strategy that the new infrastructures 00:37:13.126 --> 00:37:15.116 switched over to their new clients are 00:37:15.138 --> 00:37:17.118 all available. They all interact and all 00:37:17.118 --> 00:37:18.988 have the new features and it's not that 00:37:18.988 --> 00:37:20.718 it's one client's I mean obviously 00:37:20.729 --> 00:37:23.029 Windows will have P.W.P. clients, IOS and 00:37:23.029 --> 00:37:25.079 Android will have native apps there, 00:37:25.089 --> 00:37:27.179 Linux will have what they have and there 00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:29.189 will be the web version as well. And 00:37:29.189 --> 00:37:31.519 these things will have some baseline of 00:37:31.521 --> 00:37:33.601 functionality that works across all of 00:37:33.601 --> 00:37:36.781 them on this new infrastructure that's the point of it. 00:37:36.787 --> 00:37:39.102 -You know what I'm going to still be a 00:37:39.102 --> 00:37:41.262 doubter here. OK I don't think, I think 00:37:41.262 --> 00:37:43.402 the more I think about this the more I 00:37:43.402 --> 00:37:46.042 think you're right that it isn't a new 00:37:46.048 --> 00:37:48.998 totally new Skype client. I think that 00:37:48.998 --> 00:37:51.408 would just be crazy and kind of going 00:37:51.433 --> 00:37:53.763 back to what they just got away from but 00:37:53.763 --> 00:37:56.073 I think Skype For Life is something else 00:37:56.073 --> 00:37:59.343 and the reason I'm thinking that it's a 00:37:59.349 --> 00:38:01.329 marketing slogan but, maybe it's 00:38:01.331 --> 00:38:03.371 something like you know they call Skype 00:38:03.371 --> 00:38:05.806 translator a feature of Skype like that. 00:38:05.806 --> 00:38:08.006 That's how they brand that and Skype for 00:38:08.006 --> 00:38:10.092 teams which is what they're going to be 00:38:10.092 --> 00:38:12.112 doing to compete with Slack. I also think 00:38:12.114 --> 00:38:14.084 they'll call that a feature of Skype. I 00:38:14.084 --> 00:38:16.194 don't think they'll call of a new version 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.689 of Skype. So I'm thinking Skype For Life 00:38:18.689 --> 00:38:21.119 might be something like using Skype to 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:23.439 improve your life in some way. So maybe 00:38:23.458 --> 00:38:25.768 it's like I don't know I'm just I'm 00:38:25.792 --> 00:38:28.032 totally reaching here but Skype like 00:38:28.032 --> 00:38:30.212 maybe Skype and the Microsoft Health 00:38:30.212 --> 00:38:32.612 platforms somehow connected or you know 00:38:32.612 --> 00:38:35.552 Skype being used for some specific thing 00:38:35.552 --> 00:38:37.952 that's more about health and welfare and 00:38:37.952 --> 00:38:40.672 maybe a very specific almost like a 00:38:40.698 --> 00:38:43.328 vertical I'm just guessing here again but 00:38:43.328 --> 00:38:45.638 I think it's something else. 00:38:45.956 --> 00:38:49.486 -I mean that seems very far reaching. It 00:38:49.486 --> 00:38:52.566 might be simpler that you know it's funny 00:38:52.585 --> 00:38:54.685 we were just kind of joking around and 00:38:54.685 --> 00:38:56.785 slash complaining about how you know 00:38:56.799 --> 00:38:59.449 Skype will ring on various devices and 00:38:59.449 --> 00:39:01.549 whatever because we have various devices 00:39:01.549 --> 00:39:03.959 because we're nerds and so Skype For Life 00:39:03.959 --> 00:39:06.109 could be as simple as what I think of a 00:39:06.109 --> 00:39:08.639 Skype everywhere this this feature you 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.849 know that a normal person with a computer 00:39:10.858 --> 00:39:13.354 and a phone or a tablet and a phone would 00:39:13.354 --> 00:39:15.463 want to get messages everywhere and 00:39:15.463 --> 00:39:17.213 that's the For Life. In other words. 00:39:17.213 --> 00:39:19.223 Whatever your life is whatever your 00:39:19.223 --> 00:39:23.223 habits are whatever devices you choose to use Skype will be there. You know. 00:39:23.223 --> 00:39:24.493 -That could be 00:39:24.505 --> 00:39:26.905 -I just you know regardless of what it is 00:39:26.926 --> 00:39:30.926 I mean I think it's mostly a marketing 00:39:30.926 --> 00:39:33.186 term. Right. Not so much a product. And 00:39:33.186 --> 00:39:37.186 it's almost just a way to describe functionality to normal people. 00:39:37.186 --> 00:39:43.216 -I'd be down with the marketing term. I spoke with a rep a Microsoft rep over at 00:39:43.234 --> 00:39:45.804 IFA in Berlin last month and or no this 00:39:45.804 --> 00:39:49.544 month and of course didn't want to talk 00:39:49.544 --> 00:39:52.994 about it but what he was describing was 00:39:53.004 --> 00:39:57.004 that this is Skype UC this is the unified 00:39:57.014 --> 00:40:00.068 communication promised the idea of we 00:40:00.068 --> 00:40:01.808 don't want Skype to be an app. It 00:40:01.808 --> 00:40:03.618 shouldn't be something you start up it 00:40:03.618 --> 00:40:05.479 should be something that is just 00:40:05.479 --> 00:40:07.149 everywhere. They're using Microsoft 00:40:07.149 --> 00:40:08.879 products. You should be able to say 00:40:08.879 --> 00:40:10.949 Cortana call Paul Thurrott and it will 00:40:10.949 --> 00:40:13.479 automatically kick out Skype and it 00:40:13.479 --> 00:40:15.644 doesn't even call a Skype it just 00:40:15.644 --> 00:40:17.584 connects. Hum, and I can see that I mean 00:40:17.584 --> 00:40:19.494 that UC promises has been something 00:40:19.494 --> 00:40:21.304 that's been around for ten years maybe 00:40:21.313 --> 00:40:23.643 this is Microsoft finally saying let's do. 00:40:23.668 --> 00:40:26.008 - Or saying we finally have enough pieces 00:40:26.008 --> 00:40:28.168 in place for it makes sense right. I mean 00:40:28.169 --> 00:40:30.409 even the things like integrating Skype 00:40:30.409 --> 00:40:32.829 into Outlook.com and OneDrive.com on the 00:40:32.843 --> 00:40:36.843 web or the Outlook 2016 Mail clients in 00:40:36.843 --> 00:40:40.843 office 2016 which you know depending on 00:40:40.843 --> 00:40:42.723 your view of things you might find 00:40:42.723 --> 00:40:45.613 incredibly useful or incredibly annoying 00:40:45.623 --> 00:40:47.923 because it certainly on the web, they 00:40:47.923 --> 00:40:49.803 don't do a good job with that but 00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:52.239 I think that these things are all part of 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.229 … how do you describe a bunch of little 00:40:55.229 --> 00:40:58.079 things? It's a.. what's the theme? You 00:40:58.088 --> 00:41:00.888 know universal communications is how we 00:41:00.888 --> 00:41:03.248 would say it in the enterprise and maybe 00:41:03.248 --> 00:41:05.878 Skype For Life is how they want to say it to people. 00:41:05.908 --> 00:41:09.498 -You know what Padre just gave me a crazy idea another crazy idea. 00:41:09.498 --> 00:41:10.768 -Oh good 00:41:10.787 --> 00:41:13.397 -What if Skype For Life is a bot? 00:41:13.442 --> 00:41:15.102 -Oh 00:41:15.112 --> 00:41:18.702 -Now they’re intergrading more bots into 00:41:18.702 --> 00:41:20.802 Skype right and there's been all this 00:41:20.802 --> 00:41:23.012 talk about a concierge bot that Bing was 00:41:23.012 --> 00:41:25.112 working on for a while to be kind of like 00:41:25.112 --> 00:41:27.562 your personal assistant for life. You 00:41:27.562 --> 00:41:29.712 know somebody who you could say hey what 00:41:29.712 --> 00:41:31.979 movies are playing can you get me some 00:41:31.979 --> 00:41:33.989 tickets. Maybe this is Skype For Life? 00:41:34.004 --> 00:41:36.974 -But then Skype for life would have to fight Cortana to the death. 00:41:36.978 --> 00:41:39.538 -I know. Yeah. BOTS and Cortana they... 00:41:39.545 --> 00:41:42.855 I think they're siblings I think they're friends but yeah 00:41:42.855 --> 00:41:45.225 -Their twins, Skype For Life is the twin 00:41:45.225 --> 00:41:47.455 they kept in the closet until he was a 00:41:47.455 --> 00:41:49.535 teenager so he’s a little stunted. 00:41:51.351 --> 00:41:53.411 We've actually got people in the chat 00:41:53.413 --> 00:41:55.233 room, we've got ‘hey it's Todd’ who 00:41:55.233 --> 00:41:57.313 suggested that Skype For Life is actually 00:41:57.313 --> 00:41:59.513 the name of a new form of judicial 00:41:59.513 --> 00:42:01.433 punishment and then you see the really 00:42:01.433 --> 00:42:03.603 really bad, you only get to use Skype (Laughing) 00:42:03.933 --> 00:42:06.873 -It sounds like a big punishment. 00:42:06.922 --> 00:42:10.922 -And a guy could be like oh I’ve been Skyped. 00:42:10.922 --> 00:42:13.002 -Should it just be Skype 10? I mean, 00:42:13.047 --> 00:42:16.637 cause that was the whole idea of Windows 10. It is the last Windows you will ever 00:42:16.662 --> 00:42:19.872 own is this Skype 10 is it like look it will always be this way. 00:42:19.872 --> 00:42:23.052 -And what you're supposed to do 00:42:23.052 --> 00:42:25.502 everything to ensure it. That’s windows. God bless 00:42:25.504 --> 00:42:26.874 -The ultimate Skype. 00:42:26.874 --> 00:42:29.154 -Honestly Windows 10 is a terrible name 00:42:29.154 --> 00:42:31.184 right. That should have just been Windows 00:42:31.184 --> 00:42:33.164 I don't think we need to go 10 I think if 00:42:33.164 --> 00:42:34.865 anything we should be stripping the 00:42:34.865 --> 00:42:37.375 numbers off of the products that still have numbers. 00:42:37.375 --> 00:42:39.435 -Maybe they really want it to be Windows X. 00:42:39.911 --> 00:42:43.651 -Apple's doing that right? Apple's changing back 00:42:43.655 --> 00:42:45.715 -They've kind of moved to the right 00:42:45.729 --> 00:42:47.789 because they still have version numbers 00:42:47.798 --> 00:42:49.588 obviously you have to have the stuff 00:42:49.588 --> 00:42:51.578 behind the scenes but you know they talk 00:42:51.581 --> 00:42:53.531 about the new version MacOS as Sierra. 00:42:53.531 --> 00:42:55.801 You know and they've been doing that for 00:42:55.801 --> 00:42:57.581 years. I guess but they really they 00:42:57.588 --> 00:42:59.588 emphasize that you know it's a friendly 00:42:59.594 --> 00:43:01.644 name and I think that's a nicer approach 00:43:01.644 --> 00:43:04.584 than some godly book like H.P. product 00:43:04.597 --> 00:43:07.917 names or version or just not version 00:43:07.917 --> 00:43:10.369 numbers because numbers or even using the 00:43:10.369 --> 00:43:12.869 version number the name is just it's just 00:43:12.869 --> 00:43:15.019 it's I think that's just old fashioned 00:43:15.046 --> 00:43:16.366 -Yeah 00:43:16.404 --> 00:43:19.094 -Yeah it's kind of I mean because you have to… 00:43:19.094 --> 00:43:21.774 -I know especially if its the last right 00:43:21.794 --> 00:43:23.884 last version of something, supposedly 00:43:23.914 --> 00:43:26.084 -It should have just been Windows ultimate, 00:43:26.084 --> 00:43:28.224 Oh wait, we've already used that. Never mind! 00:43:28.224 --> 00:43:30.082 -Calling something the last version of 00:43:30.082 --> 00:43:31.862 this product is like the worst way to 00:43:31.862 --> 00:43:33.972 market something ever invented. You know 00:43:33.972 --> 00:43:35.972 this is the last version we're ever going 00:43:35.972 --> 00:43:37.792 to make a Windows. Oh know we’re gonna 00:43:37.792 --> 00:43:39.902 keep updating it, but this is the last one. 00:43:39.902 --> 00:43:42.562 –There’ll be some serious updates to it but no, this is it. 00:43:42.608 --> 00:43:46.608 -So it really is just not smart mart. (Sigh) I'm going to be… 00:43:46.608 --> 00:43:51.878 I'm going to change my name to Padre 10. I will be the last Padre, you’ll ever know 00:43:51.878 --> 00:43:56.498 -Actually if you can change it to 10.01. 00:43:56.498 --> 00:43:59.958 -There'll be updates to Padre, but this is really the final version. 00:43:59.958 --> 00:44:02.578 (Paul) There will always be that little hidden miss. 00:44:02.578 --> 00:44:04.118 (Mary-Jo) Padre Hena-versary. 00:44:04.118 --> 00:44:06.618 -Don't we… the Padre anniversary edition. 00:44:06.618 --> 00:44:09.568 It's ten pounds lighter but has all the features. (laughing) 00:44:09.591 --> 00:44:13.591 All right, we're going to bog down a bit 00:44:13.591 --> 00:44:15.851 too much and it is a fun story, but there 00:44:15.854 --> 00:44:18.374 is one more story that has so much fun it 00:44:18.374 --> 00:44:20.924 has to be dispelled. Paul. There were 00:44:20.924 --> 00:44:23.214 people screaming all over the Internet 00:44:23.214 --> 00:44:25.214 that Microsoft is being the big bad by 00:44:25.214 --> 00:44:28.474 trying to lock Linux out of new P.C.'s Is this true? 00:44:28.488 --> 00:44:31.908 –No! And that's all we need to say about 00:44:31.908 --> 00:44:35.908 that. If I could somehow make a career 00:44:36.037 --> 00:44:40.037 out of just debunking stupidity. Right. I mean I just… you get into these 00:44:40.060 --> 00:44:44.060 conversations of people on Twitter who 00:44:44.087 --> 00:44:46.607 see these stories and they.. I think it's 00:44:46.607 --> 00:44:48.807 the way conspiracy theories work right. 00:44:48.810 --> 00:44:50.990 It's.. it hits on your internal beliefs 00:44:51.052 --> 00:44:53.522 and so you instantly throw common sense 00:44:53.522 --> 00:44:55.832 to the wind and say oh course their doing 00:44:55.857 --> 00:44:57.777 this. Microsoft is evil. It's like guys 00:44:57.777 --> 00:45:00.077 it's not 1998 anymore it could be maybe 00:45:00.077 --> 00:45:02.417 upgrade the way we think about Microsoft 00:45:02.417 --> 00:45:04.197 and their relationship with Linux in 00:45:04.208 --> 00:45:07.448 particular. The topic and if you don't 00:45:07.468 --> 00:45:09.468 know what it is I guess we should 00:45:09.468 --> 00:45:11.538 probably step back a second and say that 00:45:11.565 --> 00:45:13.725 somebody had discovered that a Lenovo 00:45:13.725 --> 00:45:16.075 P.C. bought from the Microsoft store so 00:45:16.075 --> 00:45:18.625 it's a signature P.C. and thus is running 00:45:18.625 --> 00:45:21.751 something called Windows 10 signature 00:45:21.751 --> 00:45:24.341 edition which doesn't exist. Somehow has 00:45:24.351 --> 00:45:26.771 the magic capability of preventing Linux 00:45:26.771 --> 00:45:28.701 from ever being installed in that 00:45:28.701 --> 00:45:30.601 computer. That's not a capability of an 00:45:30.601 --> 00:45:32.841 operating system that’s something that 00:45:32.841 --> 00:45:34.801 would have to be built into the firmware 00:45:34.801 --> 00:45:36.981 I guess of the computer I mean I 00:45:36.981 --> 00:45:39.111 obviously there's always going to be some 00:45:39.111 --> 00:45:40.961 way to brute stall anything on there but 00:45:40.961 --> 00:45:43.171 you know, read it happens. There’s one of 00:45:43.171 --> 00:45:45.151 the guys from ZD Net wrote a very calm 00:45:45.151 --> 00:45:47.171 and collected article but anyway I 00:45:47.181 --> 00:45:51.181 appreciated that. But here's the thing, 00:45:51.181 --> 00:45:55.181 signature P.C. is as I describe it. 00:45:55.181 --> 00:45:57.341 I think the smallest province of the 00:45:57.341 --> 00:45:59.931 windows empire that exists in Microsoft. 00:45:59.948 --> 00:46:02.018 They have no power at all the very notion 00:46:02.022 --> 00:46:04.492 that they could require a P.C. maker to 00:46:04.512 --> 00:46:06.552 do anything is ludicrous. Let alone the 00:46:06.552 --> 00:46:09.072 world's number one P.C. maker. Microsoft 00:46:09.072 --> 00:46:11.922 is not the business of blocking Linux. 00:46:11.922 --> 00:46:14.449 They never really were. But it's one of 00:46:14.449 --> 00:46:16.399 those things like a lot of people kind of 00:46:16.399 --> 00:46:18.428 like want to believe is the case. Some 00:46:18.428 --> 00:46:20.438 guy supposedly from Lenovo got into a 00:46:20.438 --> 00:46:22.611 support forum somewhere and said Yeah. 00:46:22.611 --> 00:46:24.671 This might this is part of our agreement 00:46:24.671 --> 00:46:26.851 with Microsoft. That's not true. By the 00:46:26.851 --> 00:46:28.976 way because Lenovo came out with a 00:46:28.976 --> 00:46:31.186 statement and said no that's not what's 00:46:31.186 --> 00:46:33.306 happening. It's one of those things like 00:46:33.306 --> 00:46:34.994 you don't actually have to know the 00:46:34.994 --> 00:46:36.914 answer to know the answer. It's a little 00:46:36.914 --> 00:46:38.944 bit like the Skype For Life thing like if 00:46:38.944 --> 00:46:40.750 you think it through. It's like this is 00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:42.700 not what's happening and so I ... I'm not 00:46:42.700 --> 00:46:44.327 the one that got the statement so 00:46:44.327 --> 00:46:46.337 I think it's Tech Republic. They've got the 00:46:46.337 --> 00:46:49.157 statement but I did a write up about it and uh debating it… 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.489 -This is just secure boot on the UEFI right?. I mean that's all it is. 00:46:52.514 --> 00:46:54.344 -It's not exactly but it's that exact 00:46:54.344 --> 00:46:56.444 kind of topic yes but Lenovo has a one 00:46:56.444 --> 00:46:58.934 of, it's probably just one Lenovo 00:46:58.934 --> 00:47:02.534 computer actually but there is a Lenovo 00:47:02.534 --> 00:47:04.934 computer that has a very strange raid 00:47:04.934 --> 00:47:07.984 S.S.D. configuration and as people are 00:47:07.984 --> 00:47:10.714 discovering if they try to clean install 00:47:10.714 --> 00:47:13.014 Windows 10 on that computer it won't work 00:47:13.014 --> 00:47:14.814 either. It's. It's a very unique 00:47:14.814 --> 00:47:16.884 configuration. It's not part of a secret 00:47:16.884 --> 00:47:18.984 cabal with Microsoft to screw Linux users 00:47:18.984 --> 00:47:21.294 out of their new computer but you know I 00:47:21.319 --> 00:47:23.579 think I said this to Mary Jo privately or 00:47:23.585 --> 00:47:25.725 maybe Brad we were I was chatting with 00:47:25.725 --> 00:47:27.655 somebody earlier today and so consider 00:47:27.655 --> 00:47:30.045 the market out there for people who are 00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:32.319 going to buy a Windows based computer and 00:47:32.319 --> 00:47:34.329 install Linux on it right and there is 00:47:34.329 --> 00:47:36.229 some number it's a small number but the 00:47:36.244 --> 00:47:38.334 some group of people do that. And now 00:47:38.334 --> 00:47:40.284 let's consider the subset of those people 00:47:40.290 --> 00:47:42.270 who are going to drive to a Microsoft 00:47:42.270 --> 00:47:44.140 store pick it lovingly pick out their… 00:47:44.158 --> 00:47:45.928 you know favorite signature P.C. 00:47:45.928 --> 00:47:48.068 configuration from the store, buy it from 00:47:48.071 --> 00:47:49.701 Microsoft. You know their favorite 00:47:49.743 --> 00:47:52.233 company. And then put Linux on it. I mean 00:47:52.233 --> 00:47:54.473 like I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm 00:47:54.499 --> 00:47:56.639 not saying it's not going to happen but 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.559 c'mon. I mean and this is Microsoft's. 00:47:58.577 --> 00:48:01.697 Path to world domination we're going to 00:48:01.697 --> 00:48:04.157 do it through the signature pieces that 00:48:04.157 --> 00:48:05.987 nobody even knows exists at the stores 00:48:06.029 --> 00:48:08.149 and you can't even find there where you 00:48:08.149 --> 00:48:10.109 live. It's just the whole thing is loaded 00:48:10.124 --> 00:48:12.384 it's just typical. Watching this cascade 00:48:12.404 --> 00:48:14.644 across the Internet today. It's just as 00:48:14.992 --> 00:48:19.922 depressing. That's just so typical. You know 00:48:21.324 --> 00:48:23.614 - It destroys your faith in humanity 00:48:23.913 --> 00:48:27.913 -Or reconfirms my belief that we're all idiots. I mean it's just it's sad. 00:48:31.211 --> 00:48:34.301 -And he thought Lenovo did show. I mean I 00:48:34.309 --> 00:48:36.569 can't remember what they call it it's 00:48:36.569 --> 00:48:38.819 like software services but then on boot 00:48:38.819 --> 00:48:42.819 up you actually get the option of what 00:48:42.833 --> 00:48:46.833 packages you want to install. So you could make it a signature… 00:48:46.851 --> 00:48:47.841 -You mean..? 00:48:47.894 --> 00:48:49.244 -All the crapware. 00:48:49.348 --> 00:48:52.998 -That’s interesting. So Lenovo not the 00:48:53.053 --> 00:48:55.353 only P.C. makers starting to do that kind 00:48:55.393 --> 00:48:56.953 of a thing and I really like this 00:48:56.953 --> 00:48:59.293 approach it's because it's something P.C. 00:48:59.313 --> 00:49:01.733 makers are not familiar with called customer centricity. 00:49:01.733 --> 00:49:04.383 You know H.P.’s newer machines will do 00:49:04.383 --> 00:49:06.793 the same thing and in the past you get a 00:49:06.793 --> 00:49:08.963 bunch of utilities and things running in 00:49:08.963 --> 00:49:11.643 the tray and whatever was. Now you have 00:49:11.643 --> 00:49:13.973 to seek out those applications and at the 00:49:13.983 --> 00:49:16.073 time that you run it. It says hey we have 00:49:16.073 --> 00:49:18.623 this tray thing we can put it and you 00:49:18.623 --> 00:49:21.393 want to use it and if you say no that's 00:49:21.393 --> 00:49:23.813 in the end of it you know and that's the 00:49:23.813 --> 00:49:26.583 way things should be you know don't you think. Yeah so. 00:49:27.806 --> 00:49:30.306 -Well it sure beats me having to spend the 00:49:30.306 --> 00:49:32.333 first thirty minutes of my new P.C.’s life 00:49:32.333 --> 00:49:34.653 uninstalling everything that came pre-installed. 00:49:35.416 --> 00:49:39.416 -Yes right. Actually we will never be 00:49:39.416 --> 00:49:42.394 deemed intelligent beings by future 00:49:42.394 --> 00:49:44.408 civilizations because of things like this. 00:49:44.408 --> 00:49:46.338 It's like when you buy an electronic 00:49:46.338 --> 00:49:48.288 device and spend the first thirty minutes 00:49:48.288 --> 00:49:50.158 updating the software or when you buy a 00:49:50.158 --> 00:49:52.028 smartphone and you install apps and you 00:49:52.028 --> 00:49:53.888 spend the next seven days removing or 00:49:53.888 --> 00:49:55.748 changing notifications or like what you 00:49:55.748 --> 00:49:57.478 just said you buy a new P.C. and the 00:49:57.478 --> 00:49:59.328 first thing you do is take things away 00:49:59.331 --> 00:50:01.041 from it. It's like this is so counter 00:50:01.041 --> 00:50:03.181 intuitive and counterproductive and 00:50:03.198 --> 00:50:05.548 yet we just sort of sort of accept that 00:50:05.548 --> 00:50:07.228 this is the way it is you know. 00:50:07.257 --> 00:50:09.397 -That's what makes me so sad that 00:50:09.397 --> 00:50:11.687 signature seems to be kind of not an 00:50:11.702 --> 00:50:13.372 emphasis anymore because I 00:50:13.372 --> 00:50:15.392 remember when I got my Acer S7 it 00:50:15.392 --> 00:50:17.252 came to me as a signature device and I 00:50:17.252 --> 00:50:19.112 didn't even know it was going to and it 00:50:19.112 --> 00:50:20.732 was such a different experience. 00:50:20.732 --> 00:50:22.972 -Oh yes by the way. So let's see four 00:50:22.972 --> 00:50:25.362 years ago this month. Microsoft opened 00:50:25.362 --> 00:50:28.272 their store in Boston and I bought the 00:50:28.272 --> 00:50:30.462 very first computer that was sold at that 00:50:30.462 --> 00:50:33.092 store which is a fifteen inch Samsung Ultra Book. 00:50:33.109 --> 00:50:36.519 It was one of the last Windows 7 computers 00:50:36.533 --> 00:50:38.853 they sold right because Windows 8 came out. 00:50:38.853 --> 00:50:42.193 Thirty or forty five days later and to this day 00:50:42.193 --> 00:50:45.413 when I restore that thing and it goes back 00:50:45.413 --> 00:50:47.603 to that clean Windows 7 signature edition 00:50:47.603 --> 00:50:50.783 thing with beautiful wallpaper and you 00:50:50.783 --> 00:50:52.853 know no crap anywhere it's still like this 00:50:52.853 --> 00:50:56.853 calming almost transcendental moment like 00:50:56.863 --> 00:50:59.783 you open the thing up And you’re like nice! 00:50:59.783 --> 00:51:01.623 You know and that's not the reaction 00:51:01.623 --> 00:51:03.843 typically happen with P.C. right? It's too bad 00:51:04.366 --> 00:51:06.976 -I mean seriously there is something about 00:51:06.980 --> 00:51:09.590 having to do a hard restore where you to 00:51:09.591 --> 00:51:11.841 go back to the factory disks and you know 00:51:11.848 --> 00:51:13.696 yeah when any time you do that there's 00:51:13.696 --> 00:51:15.746 going to be hours and hours if not days of 00:51:15.746 --> 00:51:17.656 updates it's going to have to go through 00:51:17.656 --> 00:51:19.836 round & round & round but that's not 00:51:19.844 --> 00:51:21.874 the infuriating part for me because that I 00:51:21.874 --> 00:51:23.284 can just leave off in the corner. 00:51:23.284 --> 00:51:25.584 The infuriating part is I know I'm already 00:51:25.584 --> 00:51:27.894 going to have an anti-virus it's going to 00:51:27.903 --> 00:51:29.813 take five restarts to fully get rid of 00:51:29.824 --> 00:51:32.134 because it just sticks in there and you 00:51:32.147 --> 00:51:34.227 have to do a little bit of registry editing 00:51:34.236 --> 00:51:36.776 to get rid of the stuff that doesn't uninstall at all. 00:51:36.790 --> 00:51:39.130 -I know we've talked about this on the pod 00:51:39.130 --> 00:51:41.548 cast whatever. You know some months ago 00:51:41.548 --> 00:51:43.765 but as part of the Windows 10 anniversary 00:51:43.765 --> 00:51:45.895 update there's a new tool it's not actually 00:51:45.895 --> 00:51:47.875 included in the O. S. but it's linked to 00:51:47.890 --> 00:51:49.890 from the O. S. And so I think people are 00:51:49.890 --> 00:51:51.890 probably familiar with the reset your P.C. 00:51:51.890 --> 00:51:54.079 functionality of that they viewed in Windows 8 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.209 also available in Windows 10. Thing is if 00:51:56.209 --> 00:51:58.529 you use that on a P.C. that came from a 00:51:58.529 --> 00:52:00.839 P.C. maker which is you know most P.C.'s. 00:52:00.847 --> 00:52:04.347 The P.C. maker can edit that image that's 00:52:04.350 --> 00:52:08.350 installed so the crap all comes back right 00:52:08.350 --> 00:52:10.710 when you reset the P.C. you get the crap. 00:52:10.710 --> 00:52:13.230 But there's a separate tool called refresh 00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:15.220 Windows it's linked to from the same place 00:52:15.220 --> 00:52:17.340 in the settings up in Windows 10 with the 00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:19.690 anniversary update. You download the tool 00:52:19.692 --> 00:52:22.072 it downloads Windows 10 it's a clean version 00:52:22.074 --> 00:52:24.174 of Windows 10 and then you can install 00:52:24.174 --> 00:52:26.414 that and then so instead of getting the 00:52:26.414 --> 00:52:28.374 crapware laden version you might get from 00:52:28.374 --> 00:52:30.574 say whatever peace maker Dell, HP, Lenovo 00:52:30.575 --> 00:52:32.905 whatever you get Microsoft's clean image 00:52:32.913 --> 00:52:34.906 right. And so the pro there is you don't 00:52:34.906 --> 00:52:37.596 get the stuff you're talking about like the Anti-Virus 00:52:37.596 --> 00:52:39.786 whatever stupid utilities people put on there. 00:52:39.786 --> 00:52:42.056 The minus side is you may not get the 00:52:42.056 --> 00:52:44.686 driver you know Lenovo, HPNO and probably 00:52:44.686 --> 00:52:47.006 Dell have decent utilities for keeping 00:52:47.006 --> 00:52:48.876 that particular machine up to date with 00:52:48.876 --> 00:52:51.016 drivers for example you don't get that thing. 00:52:51.016 --> 00:52:52.926 And so you might have to do a little bit 00:52:52.926 --> 00:52:54.732 of extra work if you want some of that 00:52:54.732 --> 00:52:56.592 stuff or if you need it you know if you 00:52:56.592 --> 00:52:58.462 look in device manager and some of your 00:52:58.462 --> 00:53:00.422 stuff hasn't been recognized you know you 00:53:00.422 --> 00:53:02.192 might find yourself going to the HP 00:53:02.192 --> 00:53:04.172 or Dell or Lenovo or whatever website and 00:53:04.178 --> 00:53:06.298 downloading the drivers but at least you 00:53:06.309 --> 00:53:08.419 have that option now. And so I think that's 00:53:08.439 --> 00:53:11.329 lot closer to a signature P.C. type experience 00:53:11.776 --> 00:53:15.776 except that it's not fine tuned for YOUR 00:53:15.776 --> 00:53:17.876 exact computer which was the 00:53:17.876 --> 00:53:19.106 point of signature. 00:53:22.450 --> 00:53:25.280 -If anyone wants an almost Signature Series 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.040 just buy the retail version of the 00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:30.460 operating system and that's what you get 00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:32.560 and yeah it sounds stupid but it really 00:53:32.563 --> 00:53:34.733 there is something that is so nice about 00:53:34.733 --> 00:53:36.673 starting the P.C. and realizing the only 00:53:36.673 --> 00:53:39.173 thing on here is the bare O. S. everything 00:53:39.173 --> 00:53:42.203 that gets added on is my choice. 00:53:42.426 --> 00:53:44.746 -And that's by the way another thing I 00:53:44.746 --> 00:53:47.046 think we all do with these devices doesn't 00:53:47.047 --> 00:53:49.156 matter what you're talking about a phone, 00:53:49.156 --> 00:53:51.151 tablet, computer. That first day you 00:53:51.151 --> 00:53:53.151 install the things you know you need right 00:53:53.151 --> 00:53:54.831 Just the absolute necessity. 00:53:54.885 --> 00:53:57.775 -Yeah for example I need to install chrome. 00:53:57.775 --> 00:54:00.965 -Yes exactly which I believe it’s the only 00:54:00.984 --> 00:54:03.994 reason it exist. Over time as you use the 00:54:03.994 --> 00:54:06.334 device whatever it is you know P.C. tablet 00:54:06.334 --> 00:54:09.174 whatever you realize oh wait I need this 00:54:09.174 --> 00:54:11.594 thing too and it spirals right so over 00:54:11.594 --> 00:54:13.794 time you fill the thing up and you. You 00:54:13.794 --> 00:54:15.794 know there's a bunch of junk on there but 00:54:15.794 --> 00:54:17.664 those first couple days are wonderful. 00:54:17.664 --> 00:54:20.024 It's like the. You know the out of box 00:54:20.029 --> 00:54:22.249 thing is kind of like it should be. I mean 00:54:22.249 --> 00:54:24.229 it's not always with the P.C. If you get 00:54:24.229 --> 00:54:26.919 the wrong kind but you know that's what it is. 00:54:26.919 --> 00:54:29.389 And we kind of try to recapture that magic 00:54:29.389 --> 00:54:32.099 every once in a while. Let's reset it back a little. 00:54:34.483 --> 00:54:36.863 -But we do have to talk about the layoffs 00:54:36.866 --> 00:54:38.776 at some point because it is a big story 00:54:38.776 --> 00:54:41.426 and it's not it's not it's not totally unexpected right? 00:54:42.950 --> 00:54:45.860 –Right! -We saw this. 00:54:45.860 --> 00:54:48.440 -Yeah we did and you know I think a lot of 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.350 people forgot but in July Microsoft 00:54:50.350 --> 00:54:53.460 announced during S.E.C. filing that they're 00:54:53.477 --> 00:54:55.937 going to be laying off. Almost 3,000 00:54:55.963 --> 00:54:58.573 more people this fiscal year which is 00:54:58.644 --> 00:55:01.474 their fiscal 2017. Over the weekend there 00:55:01.474 --> 00:55:04.014 was a report by the Financial Times that 00:55:04.020 --> 00:55:06.630 Microsoft was closing Skype London and I 00:55:06.630 --> 00:55:09.240 saw some people report this says and 00:55:09.240 --> 00:55:11.970 laying off 400 people but actually the 00:55:11.970 --> 00:55:14.220 number that Microsoft is laying off is 00:55:14.234 --> 00:55:18.234 closer to 230, I think?! I called them and 00:55:18.234 --> 00:55:20.834 asked them how many people is it and they 00:55:20.852 --> 00:55:22.992 said it's about 230 and that's a combination 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.230 of people who work for both Skype and Yammer in London. 00:55:26.230 --> 00:55:28.860 Some people be moved to the Paddington 00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:31.120 office some are just going to be let go. 00:55:31.126 --> 00:55:33.876 They also last week. Paul and I kinda were 00:55:33.877 --> 00:55:36.207 catching bits and pieces of this through 00:55:36.207 --> 00:55:38.567 Facebook because we saw different people 00:55:38.567 --> 00:55:40.547 we knew posting to Facebook that they had 00:55:40.547 --> 00:55:42.617 been cut but they cut another 300 people 00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:45.070 on top of that mostly from the Puget Sound 00:55:45.070 --> 00:55:47.340 Redmond area and a few people from other 00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:51.060 geographies around the world. These 500+ 00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:55.060 layoffs that happened last week are part 00:55:55.060 --> 00:55:58.670 of that 2850 that they announced in July. 00:55:58.694 --> 00:56:01.024 This isn't a new group of people who 00:56:01.035 --> 00:56:03.475 didn't you know who Microsoft said and 00:56:03.475 --> 00:56:05.765 we’re adding another 500. These are people 00:56:05.765 --> 00:56:08.175 all different divisions not all concentrated 00:56:08.175 --> 00:56:10.235 in one division. Except for the Skype and 00:56:10.236 --> 00:56:12.476 yammer part that are being let go across 00:56:12.476 --> 00:56:15.176 the company. Microsoft's definitely 00:56:15.176 --> 00:56:17.586 continuing to tighten, you know belt 00:56:17.586 --> 00:56:19.716 tight, doing belt tightening across the 00:56:19.716 --> 00:56:21.636 company getting rid of people before the 00:56:21.636 --> 00:56:23.686 layoffs were largely Windows phone related 00:56:23.686 --> 00:56:25.956 and Windows Mobile these new ones are not 00:56:25.956 --> 00:56:28.316 because they pretty much laid off all of 00:56:28.319 --> 00:56:30.729 those people originally it was a bunch of 00:56:30.729 --> 00:56:32.519 the Microsoft sales people because they 00:56:32.529 --> 00:56:34.382 had a sales reorg this year when Kevin 00:56:34.382 --> 00:56:36.302 Turner left. Now we're getting into the 00:56:36.302 --> 00:56:38.112 product areas some people in Windows, 00:56:38.112 --> 00:56:40.622 some in Office , people across different parts of 00:56:40.622 --> 00:56:43.062 the company. So if you hear about layoffs that 00:56:43.062 --> 00:56:45.372 happened recently that is what happened. 00:56:46.504 --> 00:56:48.614 -Yeah a lot of my Microsoft contacts are 00:56:48.614 --> 00:56:50.854 heads down right now. Not necessarily 00:56:50.854 --> 00:56:52.994 because they're fearing this round but 00:56:52.994 --> 00:56:54.944 because they realize you know what 00:56:54.944 --> 00:56:57.204 Microsoft is actually, they're not doing 00:56:57.204 --> 00:56:59.874 the cutthroat competition anymore but they 00:56:59.882 --> 00:57:02.822 are looking to the various departments and 00:57:02.824 --> 00:57:04.854 finding out “Do you have any personnel 00:57:04.854 --> 00:57:07.034 that have not really contributed anything 00:57:07.034 --> 00:57:08.454 in the last five years?” 00:57:08.462 --> 00:57:10.992 -I think the H.R. term for these people is dead wood?! 00:57:10.999 --> 00:57:13.069 -Yeah and it's always difficult to talk 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.919 about someone like that but if you've been 00:57:15.919 --> 00:57:18.959 at a company for twenty years. And you 00:57:18.959 --> 00:57:20.965 haven't really been challenged or maybe 00:57:20.965 --> 00:57:22.790 you've become really really cynical it 00:57:22.790 --> 00:57:24.740 might be time to move on. I've seen that. 00:57:24.904 --> 00:57:27.204 -In over the past year or two as we talk 00:57:27.204 --> 00:57:29.184 about layoffs obviously there's the human 00:57:29.184 --> 00:57:31.224 side to it. It's always very tragic people 00:57:31.224 --> 00:57:33.364 to lose their jobs but looking at the 00:57:33.364 --> 00:57:35.534 company from sort of a Microsoft watching 00:57:35.534 --> 00:57:38.014 perspective I think Mary Jo would agree 00:57:38.014 --> 00:57:40.384 this is a very big and in some ways still 00:57:40.384 --> 00:57:42.384 bloated company with lots of levels of 00:57:42.384 --> 00:57:44.514 hierarchy and management so forth and… 00:57:44.514 --> 00:57:48.384 You know the people I know personally for 00:57:48.384 --> 00:57:50.924 Microsoft are to one very smart people 00:57:50.924 --> 00:57:53.304 they do want to change the world but I 00:57:53.304 --> 00:57:55.574 think the system they're in might be a 00:57:55.574 --> 00:57:59.574 little too big and complex. You know for 00:57:59.574 --> 00:58:02.704 things to happen so it's possible that the 00:58:02.704 --> 00:58:05.774 Dell is making these changes like many of 00:58:05.774 --> 00:58:08.744 the changes is made to speed response time 00:58:08.744 --> 00:58:10.874 make sure they're focusing on the right 00:58:10.884 --> 00:58:12.764 things and all that kind of stuff so. 00:58:12.808 --> 00:58:15.578 -SCR 1 in the chat room is saying how all 00:58:15.578 --> 00:58:17.988 their downsizing their way to success and 00:58:17.988 --> 00:58:19.908 I know it's very easy to see it that way 00:58:19.908 --> 00:58:21.908 but there's another view and if you take a 00:58:21.908 --> 00:58:23.948 step back. You can actually see it. I know 00:58:23.948 --> 00:58:25.978 Mary Jo and Paul you've both seen this is 00:58:25.978 --> 00:58:28.268 because you cover Microsoft so deeply but 00:58:28.268 --> 00:58:31.238 especially during the Bomber years. There 00:58:31.238 --> 00:58:33.818 were little fiefdoms that developed in 00:58:33.818 --> 00:58:36.328 Microsoft and the fiefdoms were all about 00:58:36.328 --> 00:58:38.348 how many employees were under your 00:58:38.348 --> 00:58:41.248 thumb and so you had these… (Paul) That was awesome wasn’t it? 00:58:41.248 --> 00:58:43.294 You had these little princes who are 00:58:43.294 --> 00:58:45.354 accumulating kingdoms not really caring 00:58:45.354 --> 00:58:47.474 about the productivity they were getting 00:58:47.474 --> 00:58:49.464 out of people they were just cared about 00:58:49.464 --> 00:58:51.974 how many people they were in charge of and .. 00:58:51.974 --> 00:58:54.254 -There's actually another side to this 00:58:54.254 --> 00:58:58.254 with power comes the ability to influence 00:58:58.254 --> 00:59:01.244 direction and I always think back to this 00:59:01.244 --> 00:59:03.484 one example. I'm not saying that this 00:59:03.484 --> 00:59:05.814 product would have been successful but at 00:59:05.814 --> 00:59:08.134 the time when Steven Sinofsky was running 00:59:08.134 --> 00:59:10.314 the Office group there was a project that 00:59:10.314 --> 00:59:12.250 came up from I don't remember what group 00:59:12.250 --> 00:59:14.510 it was but it was in Office but it was basically 00:59:14.510 --> 00:59:16.390 an attempt to put Office in the Cloud at 00:59:16.390 --> 00:59:18.265 the time they didn’t it called the cloud 00:59:18.265 --> 00:59:20.235 but it's called Net docs and he killed it 00:59:20.235 --> 00:59:22.725 because it competed with Office right and 00:59:22.725 --> 00:59:25.195 the theory here is that Microsoft might 00:59:25.195 --> 00:59:27.435 have come out with something that was 00:59:27.435 --> 00:59:29.935 Google Docs and all that stuff years earlier. 00:59:29.935 --> 00:59:32.675 If they just hadn't been so or if the people 00:59:32.675 --> 00:59:35.305 in power hadn't been so concerned about 00:59:35.305 --> 00:59:37.835 protecting their products. You know that 00:59:37.844 --> 00:59:40.144 you couldn't compete with something like 00:59:40.144 --> 00:59:42.534 Windows or Office if you did that you were 00:59:42.536 --> 00:59:45.096 out you had to support that right. Now, 00:59:45.096 --> 00:59:47.596 it's possible and probable that Net Docs 00:59:47.596 --> 00:59:49.896 was a joke that it was based on Active-X. 00:59:49.896 --> 00:59:51.856 that it was stupid. Whatever I don't know 00:59:51.856 --> 00:59:53.816 but you know but that's the type of thing 00:59:53.816 --> 00:59:56.076 that happens in that kind of organization. 00:59:56.090 --> 00:59:58.040 -Plus you know we've talked about this a 00:59:58.040 --> 00:59:59.900 lot but the emphasis of Microsoft these 00:59:59.900 --> 01:00:02.440 days is very different from the old Microsoft you know 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:04.380 Windows was the main cash cow of 01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:07.000 Microsoft for years now everything has to 01:00:07.002 --> 01:00:08.932 be about the Cloud for them and the 01:00:08.932 --> 01:00:11.442 shareholders want that, The Wall Street 01:00:11.442 --> 01:00:13.572 analysts want that. So if you're working 01:00:13.572 --> 01:00:15.662 in a group that's Windows related. You 01:00:15.662 --> 01:00:17.572 know they're definitely kind of putting 01:00:17.572 --> 01:00:19.692 the squeeze to you. I think. And if you're 01:00:19.693 --> 01:00:21.683 doing something that's more Cloud focus 01:00:21.689 --> 01:00:24.209 Enterprise focused. Something that's about 01:00:24.209 --> 01:00:26.719 collaboration teamwork that kind of gives 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.429 you an edge and I think it's also just about 01:00:29.429 --> 01:00:33.429 job kind of… not restructuring but more 01:00:33.429 --> 01:00:36.659 just like changing of the emphasis set at 01:00:36.662 --> 01:00:38.912 about what matters. And what's going to 01:00:38.912 --> 01:00:40.872 make the money for Microsoft right. 01:00:40.872 --> 01:00:43.732 So some of that's a play too. 01:00:43.732 --> 01:00:45.942 -You know I think we talked about this on 01:00:45.942 --> 01:00:47.933 Windows weekly. The notion you know the 01:00:47.933 --> 01:00:50.003 new newer surface devices say Microsoft on 01:00:50.003 --> 01:00:52.143 the right. And this one Microsoft notion 01:00:52.143 --> 01:00:54.333 that we're moving forward as one company 01:00:54.333 --> 01:00:56.983 not as the you know the guns pointed at 01:00:56.983 --> 01:00:59.233 each other all the little fiefdoms that we 01:00:59.233 --> 01:01:01.683 were just talking about you know it's a new way for 01:01:01.683 --> 01:01:04.393 Microsoft. You know a new way of doing things 01:01:04.393 --> 01:01:06.463 -Right and that's why I actually still I'm 01:01:06.468 --> 01:01:08.468 very bullish on Microsoft I love what 01:01:08.479 --> 01:01:10.609 Nadella has done that idea of taking down 01:01:10.620 --> 01:01:12.940 the ramparts and making the little princes 01:01:12.945 --> 01:01:15.015 actually work with one another. Yeah it 01:01:15.015 --> 01:01:17.125 doesn't work any other way. Although… 01:01:17.125 --> 01:01:19.475 (Paul) Change is hard though because you 01:01:19.475 --> 01:01:21.755 know externally. I agree with you right. 01:01:21.755 --> 01:01:25.755 I think this stuff is necessary. It's exciting for Microsoft as 01:01:25.759 --> 01:01:28.439 a company that in many ways to become so 01:01:28.439 --> 01:01:31.619 calcified you know for to see them reacting 01:01:31.635 --> 01:01:34.385 to things quickly and moving quickly as it 01:01:34.405 --> 01:01:37.025 it's very exciting in hitting that the right 01:01:37.025 --> 01:01:39.595 products and things but I know from 01:01:39.595 --> 01:01:42.195 personal experience with different people 01:01:42.195 --> 01:01:45.115 that this change is very hard for some of 01:01:45.117 --> 01:01:47.337 the people there's. And not just the ones 01:01:47.337 --> 01:01:50.097 who've been let go now. But just people 01:01:50.097 --> 01:01:52.627 who see projects just disappearing. 01:01:53.303 --> 01:01:55.673 -But then there's some other people who 01:01:55.673 --> 01:01:57.913 the opposites true like they've been 01:01:57.913 --> 01:01:59.873 chomping at the bit for ever to like work 01:01:59.873 --> 01:02:02.193 with teams across teams and they're like 01:02:02.193 --> 01:02:04.223 oh finally they're letting us talk to each 01:02:04.223 --> 01:02:05.913 other before and that wasn't really 01:02:05.913 --> 01:02:07.883 encouraged or even allowed right. 01:02:07.883 --> 01:02:09.883 So those people are really happy. 01:02:09.883 --> 01:02:12.083 - Not to hammer on Steven Sinofsky 01:02:12.083 --> 01:02:14.083 but what the heck. You know when they did 01:02:14.083 --> 01:02:16.103 Windows 8, right. They went to the Windows 01:02:16.103 --> 01:02:17.883 Phone team and said show us the Metro 01:02:17.883 --> 01:02:19.883 stuff and they say here you go and for the 01:02:19.883 --> 01:02:21.863 Windows Phone perspectives thought great! 01:02:21.863 --> 01:02:23.873 We're going to collaborate with these guys 01:02:23.873 --> 01:02:25.893 we're going to come out with this cohesive 01:02:25.893 --> 01:02:27.823 system. Nope they never talked again you 01:02:27.823 --> 01:02:29.643 know the Windows Phone guys are always 01:02:29.643 --> 01:02:31.463 the B. team to the Windows guys now in 01:02:31.463 --> 01:02:33.613 Windows 10 with him gone and you know 01:02:33.613 --> 01:02:35.523 different people in place that is what's 01:02:35.523 --> 01:02:38.303 happening but it happens. Three to five years too late. 01:02:38.303 --> 01:02:40.753 This is stuff that should have happened 01:02:40.753 --> 01:02:42.763 on day one. These thing should have 01:02:42.763 --> 01:02:44.913 evolved together. You know you could have 01:02:44.913 --> 01:02:47.163 made the case back in I guess we're 01:02:47.163 --> 01:02:50.043 talking 2010 -2011, 2012 certainly that 01:02:50.043 --> 01:02:53.303 Windows Phone had been in market at 01:02:53.303 --> 01:02:56.133 mature to some point. If you're going to 01:02:56.133 --> 01:02:58.993 go to market with an R. T. style tablet device. 01:02:58.993 --> 01:03:01.413 It should have been Windows Phone O.S. 01:03:01.413 --> 01:03:03.543 it was already there. It had to Apps. It 01:03:03.545 --> 01:03:05.465 was all there but no they started over 01:03:05.465 --> 01:03:08.075 from scratch. They created another Windows 01:03:08.075 --> 01:03:10.515 system that ran out arm. Instead of you 01:03:10.515 --> 01:03:13.875 know basing it on the thing they really had very strange. 01:03:14.743 --> 01:03:17.373 -About ten years ago I had a contact in 01:03:17.373 --> 01:03:20.313 the Xbox division and a contact in the 01:03:20.313 --> 01:03:23.043 Windows division and we had a weird 01:03:23.043 --> 01:03:25.353 exchange of the course of six weeks where 01:03:25.353 --> 01:03:27.253 basically they were using me as an 01:03:27.253 --> 01:03:29.533 intermediary to pass messages. I was like 01:03:29.533 --> 01:03:33.073 you work literally 400 yards away from each other 01:03:33.085 --> 01:03:34.625 What's going on here? 01:03:34.629 --> 01:03:36.749 -Oh by the way if they're still there and 01:03:36.749 --> 01:03:38.689 on same teams they all work for the same 01:03:38.689 --> 01:03:40.289 guy I know -Exactly, exactly. 01:03:40.289 --> 01:03:41.669 -That's one organization now. 01:03:41.669 --> 01:03:43.719 -That's why they were emailing through me. 01:03:43.723 --> 01:03:45.723 They're like we can't be seen to be emailing 01:03:45.723 --> 01:03:47.693 one another. Someone will see it and get 01:03:47.693 --> 01:03:49.723 really upset I was thinking that is so 01:03:49.723 --> 01:03:52.763 dysfunctional. That is the worst kind of triangulation ever. 01:03:53.354 --> 01:03:55.834 -Even you know like Ray Ozzie remember 01:03:55.834 --> 01:03:58.294 when he was the chief scientist or whatever NOTE Paragraph 01:03:58.294 --> 01:04:01.124 to the chief software architect. 01:04:01.124 --> 01:04:04.624 You know he allowed teams to compete on 01:04:04.717 --> 01:04:07.907 you know file sync technologies and things 01:04:07.907 --> 01:04:11.317 like that and instead of determining you 01:04:11.317 --> 01:04:13.857 know that you're the best ideas from each 01:04:13.857 --> 01:04:15.987 group let's make one thing you know you 01:04:15.987 --> 01:04:18.117 allow this internal competition to occur 01:04:18.117 --> 01:04:20.807 and what happens on the outside is you see 01:04:20.807 --> 01:04:23.037 that they have three different file sync 01:04:23.037 --> 01:04:25.347 solutions at the time or four and which 01:04:25.347 --> 01:04:28.107 one do I take a bet on and why are there 01:04:28.123 --> 01:04:30.503 so many and doesn't the show a lack of 01:04:30.503 --> 01:04:32.993 leadership. You know and I'm sure there 01:04:32.993 --> 01:04:35.913 are management strategies or theories that 01:04:35.966 --> 01:04:38.956 this is a good way to do things but we 01:04:38.956 --> 01:04:41.546 know from experience with this particular 01:04:41.550 --> 01:04:44.000 subject that you know that didn't go very 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.040 well. And eventually it all became OneDrive 01:04:47.040 --> 01:04:49.330 you know but for several years there were 01:04:49.330 --> 01:04:51.430 many, many different solutions. 01:04:51.443 --> 01:04:53.275 -There were. I remember when all those 01:04:53.275 --> 01:04:55.165 think engines were out there and it was 01:04:55.165 --> 01:04:57.173 like it was a time I should think you like 01:04:57.173 --> 01:04:59.203 which one are they talking about right now 01:04:59.203 --> 01:05:01.103 -I'm not going to remember all of them. 01:05:01.103 --> 01:05:02.363 -No there are a lot 01:05:02.363 --> 01:05:04.753 -I mean now there is Windows Live Sync, and uhh.. 01:05:04.753 --> 01:05:07.243 -There’s a Sequel one, Sequel team was 01:05:07.243 --> 01:05:08.973 doing a whole different sync thing. 01:05:08.973 --> 01:05:11.643 -You know it's like a mosh pits theory of 01:05:11.643 --> 01:05:15.123 management like let them fight it out 01:05:16.463 --> 01:05:18.900 -I prefer the days of active sync where 01:05:18.900 --> 01:05:20.970 there was active sync and then active sync 01:05:20.970 --> 01:05:23.070 for mobile and active scene for enterprise NOTE Paragraph 01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:25.980 active sync for exchange because that really 01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:28.550 made it. You know very easy to understand. 01:05:28.550 --> 01:05:30.910 -What do you call it when you reuse an 01:05:30.910 --> 01:05:32.870 acronym? What is that called? Uh, You 01:05:32.870 --> 01:05:34.890 double it up or whatever it's like they 01:05:34.890 --> 01:05:36.780 did that with active sync was which is 01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:38.870 over used. You know as a term. 01:05:38.870 --> 01:05:40.870 -Someone just thought it sounded like a 01:05:40.870 --> 01:05:42.820 really cool name so they wanted to use it 01:05:42.820 --> 01:05:45.050 on as many products as possible and it NOTE Paragraph 01:05:45.050 --> 01:05:47.340 took me a while to realize that two products 01:05:47.340 --> 01:05:49.110 that were called Active Sync actually 01:05:49.110 --> 01:05:51.600 had… it was no sharing of the code base between them 01:05:51.600 --> 01:05:53.950 -Those guys probably hated each other. 01:05:53.950 --> 01:05:55.920 -Yes. Well because it was the exchange 01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:58.340 side and then it was the mobile side and they didn't, 01:05:58.340 --> 01:06:00.850 I mean, they were competing with each other. 01:06:00.854 --> 01:06:02.734 -I remember the spinning green circle 01:06:02.734 --> 01:06:05.384 very well I still have nightmares about it. (Laughing) 01:06:07.180 --> 01:06:09.420 And that's what happens when you build a 01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:11.950 dysfunctional company. All right. When we 01:06:11.950 --> 01:06:14.030 come back. What's going to be? Wearables? 01:06:14.030 --> 01:06:16.240 Ignite?. What do we want to talk about? 01:06:16.260 --> 01:06:17.960 - Ignite? You mean like the Note 7? 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.620 -Yeah (Laughing) It's too soon, too soon man. 01:06:21.669 --> 01:06:23.849 - I think, let's do wearables because 01:06:23.849 --> 01:06:26.349 everybody wants to know what's going on with the Band 01:06:26.404 --> 01:06:28.784 -Of course. 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We talked about Masters of Doom, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which is story about the ID software 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 guys read by Wil Wheaton, which is fantastic. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I had recommended that one sometime ago. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Someone who listened to it loved it, and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 recommended one back to me, I bought it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I haven't actually started it yet but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 this is the next book it's called Console Wars. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Sega, Nintendo and the battle that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to find a generation and if you think 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 back to the history of video games in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 particular I think the, I think, I mean 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 maybe I'm wrong here but the Nintendo 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Sega stuff of the late 80’s, early 90's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is kind of the second major generation of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 video games you know Atari, Odyssey, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Intellivision, Coleco Vision, etc being 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the first generation. 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You need to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 try Audible.com and we thank Audible for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their support of Windows Weekly. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 OK, So we've got some Wearables I did see 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a few of these in Berlin and they looked, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they looked wearable, they looked 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 interesting. But should I be excited Mary Jo? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I you know I still I'm, I don't have a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 smart watch. I did use the Microsoft band 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for a bit of time and I thought it was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 OK, I use the band too but I'm I still 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 haven't really seen any wearable device 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and I'm like, Yes, I would pay that, I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 would wear that. And now if you are a fan 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of Microsoft band. We talked last week on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the show that we had heard some rumors 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that Microsoft may be no longer making 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the band after band two. Right after the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 show ended, a day later we found out that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft was rebranding the Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Health application to Band. So people who 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are downloading the Microsoft updates to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Microsoft Health application for IOS, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Android and Windows, were seeing suddenly 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that it was called Band instead of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Health. Microsoft hasn't really said 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what's going on with that but my sources 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 said to me that what they think is that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's rebranding Health to Band 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because right now Microsoft, the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft health app that exists really 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 just is meant to sync with the Band. It's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 supposed to work with Microsoft band. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think what they're going to do is come out 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with another new app that will be called 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft Health. And that will work with 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Microsoft Health Service on all 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 different kinds of devices not just the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Band. They'll be able to work with. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Android devices different kinds of phone 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 platforms and all, all different kinds of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 things and I think the reason they're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 doing this is Microsoft's priority going 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 forward in the space is the health, the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 health service and the health 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 applications and not so much the actual 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 band hardware which has been something 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that a lot of people love but has had 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of mixed success. And in fact the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Band 2 a lot of people have had problems 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with it splitting and they've had to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 return it and I just, I just think 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's kind of in a place right now 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 where maybe they're thinking about a new 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wearable at some point maybe it'll be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 another kind of a fitness band that'll be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 branded Surface someday but I think the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Band line as we know it is done and now 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we're going to see them talk about how 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the health service and the help app and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not so much the Band. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) I think are going to call it Band For Life. I think is… 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No don't give them any ideas please. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) How did you find out about our secret plans? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Actually, maybe Mary Jo is right. Maybe 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that Band is now called Skype For Life. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You're going to wear Skype. Because that makes sense. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Do either of you wear a band? I like the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 band, I did try it out. But do you wear it on a daily basis? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) No 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I mean well I switched to Fit Bit 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 three months ago ish. I mean you know I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really I like the Microsoft Band for what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it is I think it makes a great 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 compromise. Compromise? Is the wrong 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 phrase. It's a nice middle ground between 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 an expensive and complex smartwatch and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in a lower end kind of fitness tracker 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 right it I think it's got the right mix 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of functionality. I think the thing that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really kills it be on the reliability 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 issues which you know came to light over 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 time is just you looking at one day 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 battery life. That's the problem with the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Apple Watch, it's a problem with a lot of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 these devices. You know a FitBit, Ulta. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think is the one I have the thing lasts 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for seven or eight days on a charge it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 incredible and. It accomplishes the same 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 basic things that I like the most about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wearables today which is somebody texts 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you and you can see what it is you get 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know reminders to get up and move 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 around. It's it does the fitness tracking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of stuff so I think I think they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 just running into a marketing issue and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on the one hand where you know no one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 even knew this thing existed they didn't 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 do good job of selling it and just a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 battery life limitation you know an 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Apple. I know wanted to put solar kind of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 activity on the new Apple Watch and they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 didn't because of the battery life stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there was no way to cram a thing in there make it work. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Well let's, let's not say that because 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Samsung did. So Samsung’s got their new 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Gear S3, which does have a cell radio in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it, and Bluetooth and WiFi and it runs 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for four days. So it’s posssible 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) What I meant was Apple couldn't do it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Apple couldn’t do it, Right! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - So uhm, one of the things that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft did with the original Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Band that was pretty impressive was just 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 put that much in there in a sensor sense 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think there were eleven sensors in the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 first device. You know the second one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 added one or two other sensors you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they were Barometer for altitude and so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 forth you know that kind of data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 collection is really exciting you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 let's see what we can do with that, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 promise. They never really did much with 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it. You know and of course we don't do a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good job of selling it and then as 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Mary Jo pointed out sadly the second one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 at the same exact reliability issues as 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the first and that's if there was this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of the end of it right there. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -They also at least at some point were at 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of contemplating the idea of putting 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows, some variant of Windows 10 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 inside the Band. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The Bands, the Band on and two both had 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 firmware inside. It was not Windows 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 inside. And right before.. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) It’s basically Linux by the way. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Is it really? (Paul) Yeah 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Um right before we get all these tips 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about Microsoft, maybe ceasing work on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Band I had heard from one of my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 contacts that they are the team that was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 put to try to get Windows 10 to work on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Band had been disbanded. So I think. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So yeah I think I think you know that the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 idea was let's make this part of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows 10 family right. Like everything 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 else has everything else is running what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the core of Windows 10 the Common Core. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So why not have the band do that too but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for whatever reasons they decided that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was going to work not feasible. And so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 maybe it's they go back to the drawing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 board. Now come up with a new wearable 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that is Windows 10 core from the get go. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Yeah I was thinking as you were 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 talking about other wearables which Brad 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who I work with has heard as well. I was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thinking you know they have to be looking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 at Window 10 this is the point you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the universal platform that they can add 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that to the list of targets you can have 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as a developer. I think that has to… 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Me too! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I'm just I'm still not really sold on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the wearable tech and I've covered it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 extensively. I’ve had a bunch of really 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good pieces of tech in my lab but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 ultimately I don't want anything on my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wrist in fact this is you mentioned 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 battery life this is the problem with 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the technology that was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 generously donated by Leo Laporte. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Basically because I waited for him to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 remove things from his office to go on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the free table and I just followed ‘em 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and I got myself a modem 360. It's a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fantastic piece of tech but because I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 take it off and because you have to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 charge it on that little awkward docking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 station. I sometimes forget it on my lap table. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - So you were just saying do you have a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 band and I went upstairs and change I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually took the FitBit off and left it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 up to my bedroom. So I actually normally 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have it on but right now it's not. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That's just a coincidence but the problem 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I have with that exact advice you're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 talking about. I have one as well. The 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Moto 360 or the Apple Watch is that these 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are you would get you would get used to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it because if you just use the one device 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but it's as a kind of a strap that you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have. Kind of connected everything it's a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fairly you know you balance the thing on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 your wrist and you turn to try and not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know it it's because I test different 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 devices like I sometimes don't spend 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enough time with any one device like the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Fitbit is very simple to class the Apple 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Watch I find in the Moto 360. You know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you have to get used to it right. It's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of like tying shoes you have to do 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it a bunch of times you know so you can get good at it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I have to think adventurously I would 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 get used to it because I wore a watch for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the first 20 years of my life but since 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 then I just I don't want to hitting on my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wrist it just feels weird even, even 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 after a couple of hours of it being on my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wrist I still feel it there. I still want to take it off. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I wear regular watch still and I feel 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 weird when I don't have it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) What do you do with that? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I actually use it to tell time. I know what a thought. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -And I thought watches only do things 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like give you really abbreviated versions 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of the text messages so that you have to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 reach in your pocket to take out your phone 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) And that’s why I don’t need one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I used to, you know. When people got 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 laptops and then smart phones. You know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you get into that kind of meeting joke 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 where like people are sitting there doing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their own thing on their devices and not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 paying attention to whatever the person 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is speaking or saying. And that's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 considered rude it might be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 unprofessional whatever and so you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 one of the big defenses about a wearable 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is like you know if you're a smart watch 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you can casually glance down at your 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 watch it’s not as obvious or as terrible 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as looking at like a phone screen or 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 tablet or a P.C. or whatever but you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think nothing signals to the people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you're talking to that your not attention 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 more than when you do this kind of thing, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like really. And now you know I mean it's just… 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Or it looks like you're bored right and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you're like ugh is this over yet? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -We almost done here? We'll wrap this up soon. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I do. I love sitting at a table when 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 someone's wearing a smartwatch and I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think, you could tell they don't want to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be rude but their eyes keep going down in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their wrists like this, you know like I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 know what you're doing just take out your phone man. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -You should just start asking Siri 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 questions. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Siri delete that e-mail. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah. As my daughter once did she walked 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 into my office and she said Xbox off. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -And actually across the Internet there 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are cries of anguish because people are 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 watching Windows Weekly while playing Gears Of War. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Cortana, What’s the weather? (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Oh, no! You know, I don’t know. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I understand that wearables have a bright 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 future I understand that it's a big 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 profit center. I understand it has to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a part of any cloud strategy because it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a great way to get data metrics but I'm 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 still not completely sold. Go figure! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Anything else about wearables or should 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 move on to Cloud? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Sorry I was just looking at my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 smart watch I missed what you just said. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - That's about right. Are we done with wearables? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah, let's talk cloud 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Let's talk cloud because this actually 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is exciting interesting and worthy of a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 post-mortem. What happened?. Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 suffered a major cloud hic up and a few 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people picked up on it quickly and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually Mary Jo, you were one of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 very first who was able to confirm that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there was outages of various Azure 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 services. What happened? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Yeah I didn't, it wasn't any kind of a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 great, great thing that I did. Also I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 came on Twitter last Thursday morning and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 everybody was tweeting to me like as 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure is down. It's a huge outage so I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 looked at the status page and they were 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 having a giant D.M.S. outage for Azure So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that took down ended up taking down like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 almost every Azure service or at least 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 limiting service on it. I mean everything 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was going down as Azure media services, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure search HDInsight, everything, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 everything was it was like a cascading 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thing and then there were no workarounds 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 being posted and people were just saying 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I can’t do anything. I'm like totally 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 stuck. I cannot do anything. I'm just 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 sitting here twiddling my thumbs. So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 after a couple of hours. Microsoft got 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 DNS back up but then in the central part 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of the United States. People were still 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 having sequel outages. Then after 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 everything seemed to be solved. I started 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 getting people tweeting me about OneDrive 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 being down and I don't know if the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 OneDrive part was connected to the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 original DNS outage because parts of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 OneDrive do run on Azure. I never could 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 confirm that was connected but it seemed 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to be right around the same time and that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 outage hit a number of people in Europe 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and the US, I think also India for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 number, a number of hours and Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 wouldn't say anything about that one and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I couldn't get anything just that we know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 some customers are experiencing problems 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and we're working on it. That's it. So if 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you if you want to know more about the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 specifics about what happened and what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft saying they're going to do 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going forward to try to prevent this. If 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you go to the as Azure status page that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you could you could just search for that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as your status page and you look up in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the history September 15th. You'll be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 able to see the whole poll postmortem and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 dissection of what went wrong and what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they intend to do to try to sure that up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going forward. It wasn't a good day. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - It wasn't a good day and I think the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 official position was that it was a spike 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in Network traffic that brought down DNS 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which I mean suspiciously sounds like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's was attacked and that's what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 especially some people thought. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Some people thought that. Some people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 were like it must be a denial service? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I’m like well I don't know if it is but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they're not saying it that's what it is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but who knows? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I'm with you at the far more 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 interesting part of the story is not that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there could have been a denial of service 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 against Microsoft DNS because that could 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 happen anywhere. The more interesting 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 part is the services that are actually 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 linked together by Azure. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -It does give you a sneak peek into some 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of the inner workings that Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 has been very recalcitrant to explain. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Right. We know there are tons 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of services available on Azure if you go 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on at the Azure page you can see they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have so many different products now 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 working on Azure plus a bunch of other 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 services that are parts of things like not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 all of Xbox Live runs on Azure but some 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pieces of it do to so when Azure has a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 major problem. It affects pretty much 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 everything. Office 365. I mean they're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connected in there too, so you know when 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you have something like a DNS outage 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pretty dire and something they needed to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fix as quickly as possible. I will give 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 them credit that they were giving people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 very regular updates but the updates 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 weren't very encouraging. It's like yeah 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we know this is down and we're trying 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to fix it. That was kind of it. Least, at 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 least they were acknowledging they knew 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and they were working on it because 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 sometimes the health dashboard goes down 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to in Azure then you, it looks, when you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 look at it like everything's good. But 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 nothing's working so at least this time. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That was not the case. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Right and the thing about Azure is, it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is a self healing network and it should 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be able to route around problems and the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fact that it did come back up relatively 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 quickly for such a large network that is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a testament to the technology but there 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is no such thing as a network that cannot 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be brought down. There's always going to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be and as long as it's using the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 networking protocols that we have today. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You can take it down, if you want if you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 had enough resources but, but Paul let me 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 ask you about this. There was a saying in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the early days of cloud computing in the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 early days of say like the Google 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Chromebook that. Oh this sounds like a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good idea to move everything into the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 cloud until you lose internet 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 connectivity and then that one bad day 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 makes the entire investment worthless. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This was the bad day. This was business 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in the middle of the workday not being 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 able to access Office 365, their OneDrive 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to different degrees. Does this, did this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kill it, did this make it an incredibly 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 bad day and now it makes the investment useless? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No I, you know the thing that's always 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 lost in these discussions is that. Cloud 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 computing is not an all or nothing affair 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 when you talk about things like e-mail or 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 obviously if it's cloud hosted I mean it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is Cloud Hosted, even before we had a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 cloud. If that thing is down, its down. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There’s nothing to do about that but you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 know your data should be synced to your 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 client, your application should be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 running on your P.C. I mean as an Office 365 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 user you should have access to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 functionality and so it's not that it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not all or nothing. You know and I still 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think that the promise of the cloud is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 met by today's infrastructure you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but that it can only get better with more 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pervasive contact of it sort of course 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but I don't know. Honestly for all of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kind of Chicken Little stuff that goes on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with cloud computing even today these 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 things are kind of rare aren't they. I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mean we don't really have weekly Office 365 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 or Gmail outages it doesn't really work that way. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No. I think one thing the bug a bunch of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people in Europe about this one last week 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was the week before that there had been a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pretty not, not as pervasive but another 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 outage that affected Azure and people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like wow twice and two weeks what the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 heck Microsoft you know come on. So I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 agree it isn't something happens every 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 day and I don't think it's a reason to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 just abandon cloud computing or say oh 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that's why I'm not doing the cloud 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because you know your own company's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 servers go down to it if you're running 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 your own servers. But I think I think the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fact that those two things happen back to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 back got some of the people especially in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Europe kind of agitated and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 understandably so. Yeah. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -You know this is why you've got a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 company like VMware which has admittedly 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 had some bad years as they've, as people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 been moving away from virtual machines 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 into containers. But they're betting 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 everything on their N S X platform and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the NSX platform ensures a way for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enterprises to be able to do hybrid 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 deployment so On-Premise and not just 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 On-Premise and cloud but On-Premise and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in multi cloud in other words they want 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to make it as easy to run in Azure and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 AWS and Google Web services and the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 premise at the same time so that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 theoretically as long as your network is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 up has some sort of connectivity. You 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 should still be able to continue working 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and I, you know I think we're going to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 see more of the big players including 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft who will take that that view of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we will let you run your Azure services 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on another web service to give you that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 measure of security that you will always 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be able to get to it even if one of these 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 services goes, goes down. I see that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 being becoming popular. Or no? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah, I hadn’t heard about that actually 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so that's kind of an interesting thing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 something to listen for next week. See if 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft talks about that at Ignited at all. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah it will be uh. It will be a brave, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 brave new world. Speaking of a brave new 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 world. There was a story that we actually 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 talked about the last time I stepped in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for Leo I think it was back in June of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft announcing a new Azure service 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that was in Germany and the big news 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about that was it would be entirely in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Germany. So all the data would be stored 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in Germany they would never allow any of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the data to go to a data center that was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not in Germany because Germany has really 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good privacy laws and Microsoft is saying 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we will not even have access to it. We're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to give everything to a caretaker 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 third party in Germany. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Can I say Ick bin ein Berliner 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Ick bin ein.. yeah if you were a citizen 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of the cloud you were a citizen of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Germany and I say to you, Ick bin ein Azurler. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Azulier (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -But Paul what's…what’s this all about. It's finally out? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - This is..oh I don't, I have no idea 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what this is. This is Mary 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah this is me. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I’ve heard of Germany 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -So right. You've heard of Germany. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughing) So today is the day that this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 new Microsoft region in Germany. There's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 two data centers that and that it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually was turned on an open for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 business. So um, yeah it's a big data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 sovereignty story like you just said 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Padre it's something you know Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 hasn't been able to completely block 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 access to customer's data from 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 governments when requested and that's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what their whole Ireland case is about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that they've been fighting there but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they're trying to kind of get around this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in different ways and this German data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 center idea where T. systems which is a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Deutsche Telecom subsidiary is acting as 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the data trustee in this data center is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 coming to play. So if you, you can decide 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you want Microsoft to be the one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 accessing the data there or you can say 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 no I don't even want Microsoft in here. I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 want, I want T systems to be my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 administration here in Germany. So any 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure service that can run in these data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 centers is going to have the same 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 protection. So for example IOT. IOT is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 running in these data centers I believe 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Office 365 also so you'll still have that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 benefit an offer of having an external 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 trustee be the one administering your 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 data and the data will stay on premises 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there in Germany. So kind of cool, kind 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of like a workaround for Microsoft to try 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to say you know what we're taking your 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 privacy seriously people and here's what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we're trying to do to get to kind of. Not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 get around the law but find another 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 creative way to ensure data sovereignty. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I don't think they're getting around 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the law. I think they're trying to fill 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in the void where the law has not caught up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Exactly! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - The great some very high profile cases 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 involving Microsoft and data security 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that the most high profile of them would 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be the case in Ireland about whether or 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not a U.S. court could compel Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to give them information that was stored 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on a server that was on the land of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 another sovereign country. And Ireland 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was a little bit iffy because they were 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going back and forth about what was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 allowed by treaty and what was not but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with Germany. It's very clear. You cannot 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 step onto German sovereign soil and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 demand something from a data center and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that's why Microsoft's set this up. But 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who's going to, who's going to buy this? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Who's, who's going to want the service? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Who's going to demand the service? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I think a lot of customers in Europe, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 right? For sure. I've even had people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 asking me if I'm not based in Germany 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 could I transfer my data from another 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 data center to this one and I don't know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the answer to that I think I did ask 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft that but I haven't heard back. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So people, I think people are very 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 interested and curious about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 how that's going to work. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I'd be surprised a lot. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) I would too but, yeah we’ll see 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Actually P.S. chops in the chat room 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 has an interesting point. He says as the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 law catches up. We could have a data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 privacy Cold War you have different 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 countries saying well I mean if you let 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 them into the data for our citizens we’ll 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 let them into the data for your citizens. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Oh I would say right. It will also have 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a situation where who's going to be the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Cayman Islands of or the Switzerland of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know data storage 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) Data’s the new curtsey. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –They not gonna let anyone in. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -And then you'll have, you'll have the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 country saying well if we didn't do this. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Another country would so we're just 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 providing a service that's necessary . 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Wait did we just come up with a new data 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 laundering scheme? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah -I think we did 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Will I have to declare my data for a, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for tax purposes? Is this is how this is going to work? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -They may. -I don't like this. All right. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know what we talked enough about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enterprise I want to get into some gaming 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and only, if only there was a member of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 this panel who knew something about gaming. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I'm ready. Let's go. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 – Go, Mary Jo I understand you're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a big uh, Gears of War fan right Mary Jo? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Oh yes I am 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -You're all about the shooting and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what weapons do they have in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Gears of War? I don't even know this game. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) What weapons? -I'm assuming 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there's some guns and some knifes right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Cats. I think there are cats. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I get Cats. Cats are ultimate weapon. No but Paul... 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) And some chainsaws. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Can you tell me a little bit about the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Xbox S and their Minecraft bundle because 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft has been conquering the world with Minecraft. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Mine.. Yes they are. You know since the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Xbox One S. came out in early August 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they've been kind of bulking out the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 lineup with different bundles you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they have a Gears of War 4 bundle for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 example which is ridiculous looking but 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Minecraft one looks really good 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually. Especially if you haven't 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 bought into this yet in the Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 ecosystem because it's no much. It's no 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 more expensive than the normal console. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But you get the game for free. Obviously 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 an Xbox 1, you get the game for free on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows 10 and then you get a bunch of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 favorites and builders packs just you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 know downloadable content that you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 normally would have to pay for. All 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 bundled into this thing and so for $300 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 bucks I mean this is actually it's a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 great deals and then Minecraft is amazing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and so if you've never experienced 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Minecraft I mean this is a great way to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 get into it. So that's kind of a cool 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 one. And then the Gears of War 4 news is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that the game was completed this week. So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's gone gold. It's being released in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 October and if you preorder it. You can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 play it. I think it's four days early so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I believe it comes out on October 11th 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and those who preordered it. I don't know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 if probably digitally obviously. Can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 start playing it on the 7th and so this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is a new kind of a rejiggering of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 story you know so there was a trilogy of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Gears of War games that came out on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Xbox 360 was made by a third party 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 developer Who, why can’t I think of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 name of the company? That's crazy! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It doesn't matter they sold it to Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and so now Microsoft and using this. Say again? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –Oh Mojang 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No Gears of War – Oh Gears of War, Oh! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Wasn’t that just 360 studios? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –No it was the Cliff Bleszinski guys. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Uh it kills me when I can’t think of stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Bungee? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –No, Bungee’s Halo 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –I’m just guessing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –Oh, um was it the same studio that did Bio Shock? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Nope. (laughing) this is embarrassing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So anyway whoever it was. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Let’s just keep guessing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) Atari? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Epic games? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Wow! Epic Games. So they did the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 original trilogy on the 360, it was a 360 exclusive. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Well it was a Microsoft, it's a, the first 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Gears of War game actually shipped on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows and then they did the 360 version 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and so now on the Xbox 1, we have the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 original game is available remastered the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 other games are available backwards 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 compatibility and now we're getting a new 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Forth game which takes place you know 20 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 years later there's you know, you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the story. All hell breaks loose etc, etc 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So it's a pretty big deal because 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know exclusives kind of drive console 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 sells and so forth so Microsoft has had 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Halo and Gears two and so Gears have a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 new series of Gears games coming out for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Xbox 1 is kind of a big deal. So we 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 shall see. Someone included with us in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 software. Nope! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - It's kind of interesting that's October 11th 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because that's also a big day for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Dynamics 365. I’m just saying. -Yikes. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Yeah I'm sure that's not coincidental. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I'm sure it's not. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Well I mean dynamics is one of the most 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 profitable division in Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 currently has. So, I mean naturally. ou 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You see the tie in, right? Well let me ask 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you this we're thinking about doing a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 little Gears of War thing here at the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 studio because Lee has got his Xbox. I've 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually got an Xbox 1S on its way along 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with Gears of War when it comes out but I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 will be in Rome. So it's shipping to me 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in Rome. We're all going to have our 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 little Kingston Gears of War branded 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 headsets. I think we need a death match. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah OK. I'm not great at death match I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 will say um.. Gears of War, those games, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the single player stuff has been really 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good, a story has been good for the most 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 part. The death match stuff, if you're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really used to the fast moving kind of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 twitchy. You know Call of Duty type stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's a little more grounded. They've got 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it a little bit more vertical over the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 years but you know especially the first 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 game, you kinda crouch low to the ground 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and that was pretty much where you stayed 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so I'm not I'm not great at it but. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Well I mean if you play with us. I'll 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 try to get Pope Francis on the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 controller. I've heard that he can frag like nobody else. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I just want to hear him swear like a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 sailor. That will be the best part. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Gears of War is pretty good but the one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that I was most impressed with at E3 and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the one that I really, really want to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 play is Cup Head because that looks 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 fantastic. And I know, I know Paul that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you love that game. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Well actually I will say even Mary Jo 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is looking forward to it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I was curious about that one, actually. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I kind of you know like forty style 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 animation. Things like that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - It's steam boat Willy. –Yeah 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - There were a few. There was the ship of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thieves or ship of, yeah ship of, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Ship of Thieves or Sea of Thieves?! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I’m not sure. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -There were a few at E3 that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 actually were kind of interesting. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) -3D Realms. No it wasn't 3D Realms, sorry. 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I always get confused by the Q. and A 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who's the Q. and who does the A.? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I don't even know if we need to do a Q. and A today 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because we have so much in the picks. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Oh yeah actually I love your picks this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was an interesting one. I saw this and I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was wondering where we were going to go 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with it but let’s just find out. D. Apple 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 find your iPhone, I don't even know what that means. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Oh well let me explain. I'm a Microsoft guy 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 obviously right? I’ve been writing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about Microsoft technology products for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 20 something years. I approached things 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 from kind of a Microsoft standpoint but I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think it's fair to say that in the mobile world. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Things have gone in a slightly 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 different direction and so like Microsoft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 itself you know we kind of have to adapt 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and you know before Microsoft shipped 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows Phone I was an iPhone user 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because Windows Mobile was so terrible. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I used Windows phone for several years 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 obviously things have kind of fallen 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 apart over the past couple years and so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I've spent a lot of time looking at 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Android and iPhone and I would say to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people who are Microsoft people you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft fans, or Microsoft users, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 customers whatever. Android is probably 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the closest thing you're going to get to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a Microsoft type experience but more 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 important because the system can be, you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 know adapted and customize so much you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 can change the lock screen, the launcher 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 screen. I mean it basically everything 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about it. It affords you the opportunity 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to have a real Microsoft experience 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because Microsoft makes lock screens and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 launchers and you know keyboards and all 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kinds of things for Android so you can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have a real Microsoft experience on the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 internet but people who use iPhones do so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for a reason. There are good reasons to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 own an iPhone you might get one from 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 work, you might have to have one and so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I've been using an iPhone for years 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really. In fact I've owned I've owned 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 almost every iPhone model that Apple has 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 ever ship I've only didn't purchase two 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of them but I've always worked very hard 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to kind of keep the distance from some of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Apple products and services. I don't 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 use things like Apple music or iCloud or 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Siri or any of that kind of stuff and so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I wrote an article about this but I've 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 been doing a series of tips about using 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Android from kind of the perspective of a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft guy. I have written a few 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 articles like this for iPhone but not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 nearly as many and so recently I kind of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 summarized a bunch of thoughts around 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what it's like to use an iPhone from a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows or Microsoft user perspective and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know again you can't, there's not 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 much, you can't change the launcher 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 screen, you can't, you know there's no 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft lock screen that you can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 install you kind of stuck with some 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 aspects of it because that's you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what Apple does but actually iOS is open 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 up you can change the keyboard you can do 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 swift key which Microsoft owns you want 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to do that and Microsoft, all of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's high profile apps are on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 iPhone as well. And so the point of this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is just that you don't have to give up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 your soul. Per se to use an iPhone. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No I think buying an iPhone you kind of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 gave it up already. But I’m just saying. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Actually, so by the way that's more fair 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 than ever because with this version of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the iPhone the availability was so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 limited that I had to get a gold version 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and uh I can tell you that was not a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 proud moment. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Rose gold or just plain gold? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -No I didn’t go rose gold but I do end up buying gold. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Isn’t that actually part of the price? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You do give your credit card and a piece of your soul. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 –And a piece of your soul, yeah I guess. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Literally one pound you know. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -How much does the human soul weigh? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) One pound. – Is it one pound? Well 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good because I know I can give away a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 couple of grams and still be good. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yeah mine's a little fatty. But it's good eating. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Actually I just got all my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 blood work back and I am surprisingly in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 good health and I didn't expect that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) That's good. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Except for my triglycerides I guess 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pork rinds are really bad for you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I'm somewhat surprised by that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Do you eat them in like a cheese bath or ? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 – No, I bathe in them. (Paul) Oh,yes! 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - I sleep in a bed of pork rinds. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) That's it's good for the skin. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -It's for that fresh pork smell you know. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 All right so we've got a D. Apple find 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 your iPhone. We've got an app pick of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 week. Who's got fire watch? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I do. So, I have a bunch of epics. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So the big one is yes fire watch. So fire 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 watch is a game that ship like I think 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 last year on PlayStation 4 and also in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 P.C. through Steam. I played through day 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 one on Raphael’s PlayStation just to kind 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of give it a shot. I really, really enjoy 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 this game and so just today. Literally it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 shipped on Xbox 1 you can get it now on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's platform and so same exact 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 game it's a wonderful game it's kind of a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's kind of a like interactive adventure 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 basically it is there's a mystery and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's got beautiful graphics and you know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 immersive sound and all that kind of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 stuff but it's I mention that when I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 talked about this on the podcast just a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 few weeks ago I said I'm going to try to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 get my wife and daughter to play this I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think this is a game that would, is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 compelling to people who don't play video 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 games in the same way that a you know a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mystery series or something which is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 interesting to people I think people can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 get into this. So it's a great, great 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 story. It's a really neat game and the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Xbox One version has some unique stuff as 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 an audio tour and when you finish the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 game you can actually free roam around 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the environment you can see the whole 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 world that they created for the game. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa. Bellencer) This looks a little like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mist. It's got, it's looks like it's got 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that same sort of artistic. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Don't ever compare this to mist again. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (laughing) No it’s a.. OK well I guess 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what I would say is, you know mist for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the day was seemed photo realistic 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I guess I'm sure we would look at the quite 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 same way today. This obviously has a bit 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of a I don't want to say cartoon but it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 clearly graphics like they don't attempt 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to pull you into thinking that this is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know real photograph quality graphics 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but that the graphics are beautiful. It's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a beautiful game. You know really really 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 well done the whole thing, the whole 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 presentation is great . 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa. Bellencer) It's not a horror game is it? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul ) No but this is a mystery. It's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like, it's the type of thing where you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 know you show up at your new job out in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the woods and you go investigate what's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going on when you come back. Someone has 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 ransacked the tower that you live in and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know the music kind of kicks in like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 tick, tick, tick, you know. You can tell 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's like it's getting a little stressful 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like what's going on here. And so it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 just it's a mystery that you uncover. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) As long as the Slender man 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 doesn’t jump out. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Well it's sort of, sort of does. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Oh really? (Paul laughs) Not exactly. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Just a few other things I want to throw 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 out for apps because a bunch of stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 happened this week. I do an app race and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mobile app pick of the week, and a Skype 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 preview app. We’ve already talked about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 this but if you're on the insider program 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's certainly worth looking at. I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 haven't gotten it to work but I know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people have if you're interested in the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 SMS relay stuff that is available if you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have both Windows 10 and Windows 10 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mobile. Microsoft has also updated a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 bunch of its mobile apps on the Internet 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 IOS and so on Android, Word, Excel and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Power Point, the kind of the core apps 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 have much simpler sharing capabilities 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 now and also I can’t … here and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 collaboration features and in OneDrive. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I don't actually, it's funny I read the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 description of the new OneDrive app on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 IOS and I don't think the graph. I don't 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think graphically looks any different. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That they're calling it a file centric 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 U.I. or whatever but it looks the same to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 me but there's a new me tab and a U.I. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that lets you access all of your account 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 information and a bunch of other stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that was just hidden away before so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that's kind of cool and then the new 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Outlook.com which by the way I still 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 don't have I think I'm on what are we on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the day 457 or something. If you have it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I know Mary Jo does. They've added 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 integrated support for a Google Drive and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Facebook photos meaning that if you're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to, if you're sending out an e-mail 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 “Hey I just went on this great vacation. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Here are some photos.” You can pull those 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 photos in from other services now include 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know the Google Drive and Facebook 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 photo. I'd love to test that feature 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft. If you're listening. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -They're calling it OneDrive For Life. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Yep. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) You're going to be the last one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the very, very last one to get the new Outlook. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Now that you've asked for it, that's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 how that works. Sorry it's a rule. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) Yep 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) I observed on Twitter, the other 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 day that hearing that other people have 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the new Outlook.com is like when you're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 at war and you find out that the buddy 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you're in a foxhole with is going home 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and you're happy for him and in one way 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but you're also like you're really upset 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with him you know because he's leaving 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and you're not you know I mean it's the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 same kind of weird mixed feeling. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -So what Paul is telling us is if any of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you get the new outlook. He will 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul and Fa Bellencer) Shoot you in the back. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) He wants to know immediately. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -This is good. This is good to know good 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 information. Mary Jo fully your 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enterprise picks of the week. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -OK so my enterprise pick is going to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 what to think about and look for next 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 week at the Ignite show that Microsoft's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 having in Atlanta. Paul and I are going 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to be there a lot of other journalists 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 will be there but looking ahead I'll tell 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you what I think we're going to hear a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 lot about. So it's very interesting to, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 at Ignite this year, there is only one 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 day of keynotes. The morning keynote 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 starts at 9:00 A.M. on Monday September 26th. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It goes till 10:30. Microsoft's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to be webcasting that and then 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there's an afternoon keynote which is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 4 to 5 on the same day. That's it for 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 keynotes. So there's going to be a lot of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 recording of all the different sessions 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of Ignite and it'll be up on Channel Nine 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft Channel Nine. I think we're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to hear this is this is kind of a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 no brainer. A lot about Windows Server 2016 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there because that's where 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's going to quote launch the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 product. It won't be available that week, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which is next week but right after it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I think you know first second week of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 October. You'll see it starting to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 generally available. So expect a lot of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows Server 2016 all the new stuff 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that's happening with containers in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Windows 7 2016 we’ll hear a lot. We’ll 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 probably also hear a lot about nano 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 server which is a new role for a stripped 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 down role in Windows 7 2016 next week. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We're going to hear a lot about Azure 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 stack. Azure stack is basically Azure 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that you can run in your own data center 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 or that your club provider can run in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 their data center for you. I think maybe 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we'll hear about Technical Preview two of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure stack next week it will be around 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the right time and Microsoft said 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 recently that Azure stack won't actually 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be available until mid-2017. So it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 running late. But I think, I think they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 do want to get the Technical Preview out 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there there's a lot of sessions about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure stack. I think there's going to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 some meet ups and they'll be a big 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 representation for Azure stack. Also we 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 haven't said this word on Windows Weekly 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 lately, Data Lake's I know every wanted 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to hear it. So I think next week. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Exactly. You're going to hear a lot about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Data Lakes. Everyone drink! Data Lake is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the big data repository technology that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft had in previews since last 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 September. I think maybe at Ignite we're 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to hear them talk about Data Lake 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 technologies being generally available so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we'll hear a lot of big data talk a lot 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of Hadoop talk probably will be tied in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with some of the data summit 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 presentations that are happening 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 simultaneously with that Ignite in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Atlanta next week. More probably more 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about Microsoft's data scientists degree 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 program which they gave a little sneak 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 peek of at the world wide Partner 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Conference. I think the first class they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 graduated from that degree program is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to be announced or somehow 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 represented at Ignite. That's my guess, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because Microsoft said that that group of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people would be graduating in September. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So we're in September. Still I think that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 could happen next week and then there's a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thing that I've talked about before in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the show called open mind studio which I 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 think is kind of like Visual Studio 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 except for machine learning. I would be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 very surprised if we don't hear about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that next week too. So all of these 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 things and more. I'm sure. Probably a lot 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of office Content Officer 365, Office 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Crack, Share Point all your favorite 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Office topics will be there as well and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we've said this before. Paul and I are 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 doing Windows Weekly live next week with 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Padre from Ignite at our usual time 2:00 P.M. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on September 28th, 2:00 P.M. Eastern 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and then we finally know a better meet up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 or meet up is going to be held on the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 28th right after the show. It's going to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be 5:00 to 8:00 P.M. It's at a bar craft 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 beer bar called Argosy A R G O S Y in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Atlanta. And I guess it's the Argosy East 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 version of Argosy So if even if you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 aren't at Ignite and you don't have a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 badge you can still come to our meet up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 at 5:00 to 8:00 P.M We've tweeted out 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about it a couple times more about it. So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 definitely if you're an Atlanta or near. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You can come and join us there. And while 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm talking about events. I want to throw 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 one more Paul and I also are going to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in Las Vegas the last week of October. At 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a couple of shows that are held together 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 called DEVintersection and IT 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 intersection. We're going to be speaking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there too and probably will have a meet 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 up there. If you want to know more about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that there's a lot of really good 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft speakers. Stephen Guggenheim is 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 going to be there. Scott Hanselman and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who else. Brad Anderson a lot of big 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft names plus a lot of the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 M.V.P.'s and big well known speakers in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the community there. DVEintersection.com 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You can find out more there. So that's my 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 mega enterprise pick for the week. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - That is a lot of picks. Of course we've 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 got Ignite coming up. So that's expected. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And it close us out we've got the code 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 name Pick of the week and the beer pick 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of the week which I'm actually looking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 forward to because we're going to be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 doing a beer episode of know how. I may 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not drink beer but I do like the smell. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (laughing) OK so, should I do the code name now? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Do it 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -Code name pick of the week is Project Bletchley 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and yes it is named after that Bletchley 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 if you know what I'm talking 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about here. Let's see the one in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Bletchley Park in England. So this, what 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 project Bletchley is… is Microsoft's code 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 name for Azure block chain as a service 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 middleware. So, since last year, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Microsoft's been trying to work out a way 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to make Azure blocked, Azure block chain 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as a service be something that people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 might use in various industries not just 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for bitcoin mining and all but also in a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 lot of enterprises especially banking and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 finance because what is blocked chain 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's actually a distributed Ledger 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 technology so that makes sense in a lot 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of different enterprise type 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 applications. What they decided to do was 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to try to use Azure technologies to make 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it easier for people to build 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 applications that could take advantage of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 block chain as a service. So they came up 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with this idea of project Bletchley in 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 July. They put out a white paper and said 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 “This is how we think this might work.” 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 This week they actually put out what they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are calling version one of project 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Bletchley. What it is…is a template. So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 version one's just a template basically, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but it's a pretty powerful template. It's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a template that is made to help people 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 figure out how to kind of on board into 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Project Bletchley. I wrote a blog post 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about this. I have a whole bunch of links 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with different things about The Cryptlets 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 technology that's part of the Project 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Bletchley, how that works and 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 architectural diagrams for people like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that stuff. And Microsoft has a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 walk-through of how to use this template 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so if you want to just start kicking the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 tires now and seeing what is this thing 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as you're blotching as a service. You can 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 start doing that now through this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 template that is available through the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Azure Resource Manager portal. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That's the code name. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Whoot, fantastic. And of course we got 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to do the beer pick of the week right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - Yeah so this is a very interesting bear 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 pick. Stone Brewing, San Diego area, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 makes a lot of excellent beers of all 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 kinds. They have a very famous series of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 beers that they've done called the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Vertical Epic series. So every year like 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on February second. The second of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 February which is 2/2/2002 they put out a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 beer. That was called the Stone Vertical 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Epic series 2/22 they did one in 3/33, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 4/44 and these are huge collector's items 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like people pay hundreds of dollars to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 try to get these old very rare beers from 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Stone so that they can have different 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 taste from the Vertical Epic series so 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 stone being the smart burgers that they 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are decided on their 20th anniversary to 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 remake some of these famous beers that 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they've brewed over the years and one of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the first that they remade is the 2/22 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Vertical Epic. So they call this the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 stone 20th anniversary encore series this 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is 2/22 and 2/22 I've had it a couple of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 times I've had the original and I've also 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 had this remake. It's really good Paul 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 would love this. I know strong Belgian 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Golden Ale like all the things you love 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 in a Belgian beer. It's almost like a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 strong wheat beer. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) It’s pretty much all the things I love. Period. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Mary Jo) It is pretty much, right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Orange flavoring very effervescent, very it's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not light like a lot of wheats because 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it's a strong Belgian but around 7%, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 really good really, really good and the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 remake I can tell you is equally good. So 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 if you see this Vertical Epic. Series 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 called The Encore Series, definitely give 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it a try and know 88/8 is also available 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 now and I think will be others coming out. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -There you have it. All the news that's 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 worth having if you're a Microsoft fan. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Paul Thurrott, Mary Jo Foley, thank you 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 very much for making this an entertaining 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enjoyable and very informative two hours. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Paul Thurrott of course again behind 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thurrott.com. Paul, what are you working 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 on, what should people be heading over 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 thurrott.com to find? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) What am I working on? I can't 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 tell you that. (laughing) (Fa Bellencer) Can you hint? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) No I mean I… No. (laughing) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) Your silence says it all. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) We’re in the middle of a… we're rolling out like a 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 premium service on the site and so I've 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 been a little preoccupied with a bunch of 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that stuff lately so it's coming soon. That's all I can say. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Fa Bellencer) So just go to thurrott.com 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and find everything there is to know 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 about the man who writes the book. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And that would be a slogan. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If I were making slogans that would be 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the slogan I would come up for you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Paul) Not quite as good as the Man With No Name but yeah. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 - A woman who does have a name is Mary Jo Foley 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of course of the “All About…” always 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 say Android but it really is Windows 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 “All About Windows” blog over at Z.D.Net. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Mary Jo you always are my source 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for Microsoft happenings in the 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 enterprise anything interesting going on 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 your side that you're particularly jazzed about? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 -I'm just I'm like really jazzed about 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Ignite next week because I think they'll 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 be some pretty cool enterprise 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 announcements. 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