マット・デイモン「市民的不服従」について語る Matt Damon on Civil Disobedience JP/EN/KR Subtitled

"I start from the supposition
that the world is topsy-turvy--"

"that things are all wrong,"

"that the wrong people are in jail--"

"and the wrong people are out of jail,"

"that the wrong people are in power--"

"and the wrong people are out of power,"

"that the wealth is distributed in this country
and the world in such a way--"

"as not simply to require small reform--"

"but to require a drastic reallocation of wealth."

"I start from the supposition that we don't have to
say too much about this because--"

"all we have to do is think
about the state of the world today--"

"and realize that things are all upside down."

"Now if you don't think,"

"if you just listen to TV and read scholarly things,"

"you actually begin to think that
things are not so bad,"

"or that just little things are wrong."

"But you have to get a little detached,"

"and then come back and look at the world,"

"and you are horrified."

"So we have to start from that supposition--"

"that things are really topsy-turvy."

"And our topic is topsy-turvy:
civil disobedience."

"Now, as soon as you say--"

"the topic is 'civil disobedience',"

"you are saying our problem is 'civil disobedience'."

"That is not our problem...."

"Our problem is civil obedience."

"Our problem is the numbers of people
all over the world--"

"who have obeyed the dictates
of the leaders of their government--"

"and have gone to war,"

"and millions have been killed
because of this obedience."

"We recognize this for Nazi Germany."

"We know that the problem there was obedience,"

"that the people obeyed Hitler."

"People obeyed; that was wrong."

"They should have challenged,
and they should have resisted;"

"and if we were only there,
we would have showed them."

"Even in Stalin's Russia we can understand that;"

"people are obedient,
all these herdlike people."

"Remember those bad old days when
people were exploited by feudalism?"

"Everything was terrible in the Middle Ages--"

"but now we have Western civilization,
the rule of law."

"The rule of law--"

"has regularized and maximized the injustice
that existed before the rule of law,"

"that is what the rule of law has done."

"When in all the nations of the world--"

"the rule of law is the darling of the leaders
and the plague of the people,"

"we ought to begin to recognize this."

"We have to transcend these
'national boundaries' in our thinking."

"Nixon and Brezhnev have much more in common with one another
than we have with Nixon."

"J. Edgar Hoover has far more in common with the
head of the Soviet secret police than he has with us."

"It's the international dedication to law and order
that binds the leaders of all countries in a comradely bond."

"That's why we are always surprised
when they get together--"

"they smile, they shake hands,
they smoke cigars,"

"they really like one another
no matter what they say."

"What we are trying to do, I assume,"

"is really to get back to the principles and aims--"

"and spirit of the Declaration of Independence."

"This spirit is resistance to illegitimate authority--"

"and to forces that deprive people of their life and liberty
and right to pursue happiness,"

"and therefore under these conditions,"

"it urges the right to alter or abolish
their current form of government--"

"and the stress had been on 'abolish'."

"But to establish the principles of
the Declaration of Independence,"

"wefre gonna need to go outside the law,"

"to stop obeying the laws that demand killing--"

"or that allocate wealth the way it's been done,"

"or that put people in jail
for petty technical offenses--"

"and keep other people out of jail
for enormous crimes."

"My hope--"

"is that this kind of spirit will take place
not just in this country--"

" but in other countries
because they all need it."

"People in all countries need the spirit
of disobedience to the state,"

"which is not a metaphysical thing--"

"but a thing of force and wealth."

"And we need a kind of
'declaration of interdependence'--"

"among people in all countries of the world--"

"who are striving for the same thing."