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It's time for Windows weekly with
Paul Thurrott and Mary-Jo Foley.
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I'm Father Robert Ballecer in for
Leo Laporte
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who is currently looking for the answers
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to life, the universe and everything
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acrossed the pond. Of course Paul Thurrott
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is the guru behind Thurrott.com the
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previewer of news, reviews and analyzes
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for tech enthusiasts. Mary-Jo Foley the
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mastermind behind ZDnet All About
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Microsoft blog. Together their here to
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bring a light to the deep cave of
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Microsoft news, like a over charged light
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bulb battery exploding in the darkness.
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Paul, Mary-Jo so good to have ya.
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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(Paul) It's like your introducing
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Bond villains there.
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(Mary-Jo) I know I was like Wow!
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The masterminds.
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(Paul) Master of Disaster Mary-Jo Foley.
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(Father Ballecer) Do you have a cat?
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and can you do this with your fingers?
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- I think I need that on a business card.
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If I still used business cards I would.
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That is one of those strange things.
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At these conventions that we go to
these shows
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we all do the business card thing and
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I've even got down the whole Asian thing
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of handing like this and a bit of a bow.
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But, um, those collect dust afterwards,
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I almost never use them.
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- No, No! I don't even have one.
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- I was going to say I think I have some,
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but I've never brought them anywhere.
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-Wait!, You two go to shows, don't you?
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It's kind of a thing, it's how you say
hello, right?
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- uh
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-Well now people just say, "where can
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I find you?" and I just day "All About
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Microsoft"
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- Mary-Jo and I just bump our phones
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together and say "Power twins activate."
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(Mary-Jo laughs)
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- No, I don't know every once in a while
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someone will hand me a business cards
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and I have a momentary bit of confusion,
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like I don't have one of these things,
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or I don't have it with me.
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You know I feel, it's like a weird moment.
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I feel like I need to give them something
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in return, it's like someone comes over
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with a gift and you don't have anything
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to give them.
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-Yeah, that's what it is. I know
I'm handing
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out cards like they are candy, but it's
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just because I want to give you something.
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It's like thank you very much for
your time,
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uh, here's something, and stop talking
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to me now.
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(laughing) yes, right!
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(Paul) I've met the social obligation
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(Father Ballencer) And if you actually
want to see
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where this is gonna be put up you
can contact
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ma at this other wise I'm just gonna
assume
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that you just don't care (Mary-Jo) Yep
(laughter)
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(Paul) I needed a resume for something,
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you know, like a year ago or more, I. . .
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Thurrott.com, what do you mean I...?
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(laughing) I don't keep track of my
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accomplishments, I'm not even sure what
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I would do with that.
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(Father Ballencer) Our Field producer,
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Colene Goldstein, she's actually
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really good LinkedIn. Before she
hands over
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her card, she'll just say can I find
you on
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LinkedIn and she's just building up
this huge
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network of all these people that she's
connected
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to and she says that's far more efficient
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than trying to take a card and then
remember
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where it came from and who they
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represented six weeks ago.
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Because remember a lot of the people that
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you meet don't actually work for
that company
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they work for a PR company that represents
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the company that you are talking to.
(Paul) Right.
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and you won't remember who that is unless
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you actually write it on the back of
that card
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and even then sometimes you don't remember
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- I have to look at the lower third to
remember
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Mary-jo's name. (laughing) you know I'm
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really not good at that kind of thing.
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(Mary-Jo) He's bad at this thing.
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(Fa. Ballencer) I have to look down here
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If I don't see that?
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(Paul) Hi! I'm Fr. Rob, What does
that say?
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(laughing) Sir Foley, no let's not
do that.
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I'll right let's get away from social
convention
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cuz we've got some pretty spectacular
windows news
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who's got this first one, because
eventually
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Microsoft has finally "oh! that's right
we're not
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offering the free version anymore,
maybe we
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should kill that nag screen"
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Mary-Jo - Yeah I can start it off a bit.
Um,
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Yesterday, the 20th, Microsoft put out a
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KB article that said "Hey we're finally
going to
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push through Windows update, an update
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that takes away the Windows, get
Windows 10 app.
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So if you remember July 29th was the
actual day
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the offer to get a free Windows 10 ended.
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And at that time they said it might
take us
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a little while to faze this out
because we've
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so thoroughly inundated everyone
with this app
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and the promotion. So actually the real
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day when this ended at least when
the app ended
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was yesterday. And it's starting to roll
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through the Windows update. It replaces
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the get Windows 10 app and it goes away.
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But the weird complication
not complication
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but the weird kind of coincidence is
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you can actually still get Windows 10
as free upgrade
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You just have to use your existing
Windows 7
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or 8.1 product key and you can still
unlock the free
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upgrade, which is something Microsoft
is not
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actively advertising, but Paul has been
verifying it daily.
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(Paul) well weekly
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(Mary-Jo) I've been asking him
is it still up
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(Fa. Bellencer) Cuz, I was told
that if you do
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the get Windows 10 thing and then
you roll it
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back you're always set you can always
re-download it
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(Paul) Oh! yeah, yeah this is for
new installs.
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In other words you have never
done this before
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you have a key you can do a clean
Windows 10
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right now and it would still work.
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(Fa. Bellencer) Wait! What? That's not how
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it's suppose to work.
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(Mary-jo) Yep
(Paul) I know, and by the way
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one day it won't, I mean maybe
this weekend
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or the weekend after that, someday,
I'm gonna
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wake up, I'm gonna test it and
it's not gonna work
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you know it's just.. It's going to
happen eventually.
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But, um, I wrote an article about this
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not working probably a month ago
in anticipation
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of it not working and it's just
kept working
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the things been sitting here at
my desktop since
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August. (Fa Ballencer) So you just try and
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do an update everyday just to make
sure it still goes?
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(Paul) not everyday and least once a week.
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- Now does this
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(Mary-Jo) Yesterday, I said to him can you
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still do it? And he's like, Yep you can!
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-So does this now increase the
value of the
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Windows 10 upgrade, because now
you can't get
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it except maybe if you know this
super secret,
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now do people actually want it?
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(Paul) I.. No.. I suppose..
I think the issue
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is.. Well if you wanted to save some money
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I suppose you could go buy Windows 8.1
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product key and you know, well you
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wouldn't actually buy Windows 8.1
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I should say, it's possibly you can
buy a copy of it
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somewhere cheaper because nobody wants it
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anymore and than you could upgrade
now for less money
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than buying Windows 10. Or maybe you just
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had keys for some reason, maybe a
company that has
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keys allotted or you bought the
package version
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at some point, maybe you bought
the Windows 7
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family pack back in the day and you
only used
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two of the three keys and you've got
an extra
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one sitting around for what ever reason.
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If you have a key it will work. If you
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got them from TechNet that will work.
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um, and someday it won't. So, we'll see.
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it will no longer work in fact they aren't
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really publicly saying that it still works
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if you ask them, they just don't answer
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when you ask about this.
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And I assume it's the same thing
that they said
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about the get Window 10 app
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that it might take some time for them
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to shut it off. But the other
theory is they
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are just leaving it open for those laggers
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who didn't get around to updating by
July 29th
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and they can say to them "You know what,
psst
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by the way."
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- It doesn't hurt anybody, I think
that's the
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point that if they are people out there
in the world
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with Windows 7 install that they've
never done
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Microsoft would much rather see them be on
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Windows 10, if they're going to do a
new Windows
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install. Why wouldn't they want that.
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complaints from people who said "oh man
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I tried to upgrade and I totally forgot
and I
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did it in August and it didn't
work anymore"
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No that's not actually a valid excuse.
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You know September 21st, October 21st,
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It's starting to get to the point where
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you can't pretend you've been
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procrastinating and than just forgot
I mean,
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You know at some point it's just. . .
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Their just leaving it open, its fine.
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I have no problem with this.
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- This is actually a huge opportunity
for us
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because I know Alex has been trying to
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update the Tri caster to Windows 10
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(Paul) Actually Padre, Let me correct you
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you shouldn't run Windows update on the
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Tri caster, New Tech doesn't say
you should
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So I really hope that nothing. . .
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Oh Crap! (Laughing)
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- This is what happens, You get a
nag screen
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in the middle of Windows weekly
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that's oddly blocking me out entirely,
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that's different (Mary-Jo) It is
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You know we're going to have to live
with this
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for the next 20 -30 minutes because
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unfortunately, click the initiated
and it'll
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take that much time to install and
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uninstall it. (Mary-Jo) They'll see
us though
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we're off to the sides. Not when you zoom
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on us, but the big picture you can see us.
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(Paul) How do I know that this
graphic hasn't
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been used more gleefully on
Macbreak weekly
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and whatever morning show I'm sure you do?
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(Fa Ballencer) Uh, this weeks it's Google,
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I think this is actually the
new title card
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for Floss Weekly. Um Floss Weekly will
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never reserve your copy.
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Do either of you still have Windows 7,
8 & 10
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Machines in your environment?
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(Mary-Jo) Yes, I have 7,
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(Fa Ballencer) So no 10 at all?
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(Mary-Jo) Yeah I have 10 and 7, but no 8
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(Fa Ballencer) Really? I have 7, 8.1
and 10
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(Mary-Jo) You have all of them.
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(Fa Ballencer) Well because I mean 10
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does still kill some of my USB devices
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so my production machines have to stay 8
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and I have one laptop and that just works
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better at 7.
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(Mary-Jo) I just have the desktop I still
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use because it's just an older machine,
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the Dell that I've had for awhile
I just left
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it on 7, cuz I'm like Eh, when I need to
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replace the machine Ill just get
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Windows 10 machine.
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(Paul) But what about all those
gotta have it
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apps you can't run?
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-Um?!
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(Fa Ballencer) Now a quick question,
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this really did hurt Microsoft's
reputation,
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right? I mean Yes, That number of how
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many deployments they have of Windows 10
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is forever going to be asterisk.
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People said "Well how many of those were
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accidental upgrades or how many of those
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were installs and then rollbacks almost
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immediately. This. . Will people
forget this
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or will Windows 10 upgrade nag screen
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be the butt of jokes for the next two
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decades. (Paul) Honestly I think they've
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irreparably harmed their reputation with
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this and not just Microsoft generally but
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the reputation of Windows as well.
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The forced upgrade thing was a
huge mistake
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on their part and a very risky gamble and
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the recent people aren't going to forget
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it is because they came out and said we're
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going to hit a billion within two to three
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years and then right before Windows the
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windows ten free upgrade ended they said
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you know what we're not going to make that
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goal and so even though they did that they
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were unable to you know meet
this reasonable
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goal, I thought, of reaching a billion
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users in that timeframe.
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- You know Mary Jo there's two ways to
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look at this. There's one way and
this would,
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I think this is where Paul lines up, there
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was an executive or some marketing person
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who said you know what we want to hit a
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billion because it sounds like a
great number.
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So let's just force this on people. The
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other way to think of this is that some
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engineers said you know what people
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will like ten if they just try it if
we just
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get it on the machine they will understand
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what all the hoopla is about.
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Which of those do you fall with?
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- So I also, like Paul, think this was a
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big mistake and the part that really
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kind of riled me the most was when
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Microsoft was taking the tack of saying
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it's for users own good that were doing
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this and you know I was like wait this is
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so paternalistic How can you say what's
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for my good or my mother's good who
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accidently got Windows ten and
like flipped
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out when she got it you know I just think
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that argument didn't work. I'm happy. They
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made a free upgrade available very easily
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to people but I don't think they should
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have rammed it down people's throat.
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But it's also, I don’t know
if it qualifies
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as ironic but, You know one of the kind of
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contracts you enter into with Microsoft
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when you do install or get Windows 10 is
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you're accepting a constant stream of
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upgrades and you really can't do anything
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as an individual to befriend that from
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happening. Least not elegantly or easily
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and your introduction to this new world is
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Microsoft seamlessly and inelegantly
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jamming Windows 10 down your throat
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you know it's it's kind of a nasty preview
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of what the future holds for you when you
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do this and it's just the wrong first step
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you know to resent, it was a
terrible mistake
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- Yeah and then the, you hiding of the way
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that you would actually accept the upgrade
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where people were closing the window.
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That was really bad. That made like a bad
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situation worse. So yeah not a good look.
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- In writing about this topic today
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I decided not to go back and hit on every
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single little milestone in this because
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frankly it's kind of depressing.
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You know, when you go back to look at the
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sheer amount of stuff that both of us I'm
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sure have written about this get
Windows 10
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thing since last year and the various ways
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they changed it silently some Windows
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Update, or group of Windows Updates would
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go out, some of them would prevent the
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blockers from, you know or the un-blockers
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I guess from you know working.
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some of them would change the way the
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dialog looked or worked. You know in the
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past when you close the window, it would
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just go away but at one point when you
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close the window you silently
have accepted
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the upgrade and that's purposefully evil.
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It's terrible.
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-For me I think that hurt more
than anything
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else because I understand wanting to
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force out the update. Especially since
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they believe it's going to be much more
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secure, it's going to be much more feature
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rich. But the fact that they kept playing
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cat and mouse with people who just didn't
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want to be nagged anymore. That's the
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reputation strike it's like ok
if I went to
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the trouble of removing that nag screen
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then obviously I'm a savvy user if I can
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do that. So the fact that you're trying to
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work around what I did. Now I feel as if
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we're playing Microsoft nanny state.
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-Right -Yeah, yeah
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A lot of times you know they keep saying
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you know what, we're letting people get
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around it, if they go in and edit the
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registry settings. I'm like, wait a second
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hold on, that's not something most people
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should do. In fact, probably very few
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should do it. And so when that was
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like “Hey were give you an alternative
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to get out of it. I was like uh, that's
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not a good option.
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-That's not an alternative.
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–No
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back over a year of articles
for this topic.
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What I reminded myself of was in late June
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one month before the free offer ended.
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They finally added something to that
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box that said I don't want this please
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stop asking me. It took them eleven of
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the twelve months to get to that point.
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That's how it should have been on day one.
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It's not a mulligan but it's since you say
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listening to this has some examples of
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upgrade. I mean you can't. . . I don't
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people's throats.
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right now. Why is it that Microsoft trying
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port was brave?
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(Paul) Good marketing.
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(Fa. Ballencer) Maybe this was just
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Microsoft’s courage, and we’re all just
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misunderstanding it.
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-Uhm –Ok (Laughter) -Well OK
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(Paul) It was courageous of them
to attempt.
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(Fa. Ballencer) It was, it was. Although
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something
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from 8 because if you do Windows stacked
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we've been hammering on Microsoft
so rather
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Windows 10 update
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OK this is one of these stories that it
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continuation of stories
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that we've already covered but who
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wants to talk about the bad news for
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pink slips over at Microsoft.
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(Mary-Jo) Oh wait, can we talk about the
Skype thing first.
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(Fa Bellencer) OK sure. OK You know
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what that's hold off on the super awesome
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(Mary-Jo) I mean it's related but we can
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we could kind of mix it up a little.
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-The people getting pink slips got
them over Skype. (laughter)
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(Mary-Jo) That would have been interesting
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(Paul) Which explains why some of them
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have been home. Some of them got it
seventeen times. (laughing)
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(Mary-Jo) Burn, burn
(Fa Bellencer) ok Skype, let’s do Skype.
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-Ok so this um, Paul should the S.M.S.
relate because you, I think you've
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actually looked at it, right?
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-No, well not exactly, so, Err,
how do I explain this,
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but earlier this year Microsoft announced
a feature that was going to come
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in the Windows 10 anniversary
update called messaging everywhere
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and the idea is that you have a Windows
Phone or an Android phone
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and you can use your computer to send
text messages and receive text messages
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right like you can do in a Mac if you
have an iPhone as well.
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And everyone was really excited about it,
some insiders started testing it
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and then very late in the game they said
you know what.
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Actually we're not going to put
this in Windows ten.
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This makes more sense for Skype
we'll put it in the Skype preview app
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but sometime later in the year they
yanked it out of Windows 10
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some people were disappointed you
know because they were using it
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but you know I think we can agree that
a messaging feature makes more sense for
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Microsoft's messaging solution than it
does for Windows specifically so
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it's going to be part of Skype. So
in the most recent Windows insider build
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which was released last week I think
Microsoft's added this feature in for
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the first time and now they're calling it
S.M.S. relay actually been calling
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about for some time but it's a slightly
more technical and less interesting name
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and the functionality is supposed to work
the same way in this initial version
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however you need to have the latest fast
ring version of Windows 10 from
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windows insiders. I think 14 9 23 or
something like that. And you also need
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to have that same build on Windows 10
mobile it only works on those two systems
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so I have both of these things
but I couldn't get it.
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I'm not seeing it on my phone
I don't know why.
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but the idea again is that you can from
the Skype preview app on Windows 10
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for P.C.'s send and receive text messages
and so if your phone is over the corner
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charging somebody sends you a text message
you get a notification on your P.C.
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click on it you can reply to it right
there. It sends out over your phone
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as you would expect so it's coming.
And it will come as part of Skype, right?
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so we won't have to wait for the next
major version of Windows 10 to get it.
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Which by the way is another one of
the advantages of putting it on Skype.
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-You know what's weird though I think I
messaged you about this that I have an
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Android phone. I have a Windows 10 P.C.
and I am seeing my text messages
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from my phone show up on my Windows 10
P.C. and I'm not on
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the insider program right!
–Which is really interesting.
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-Yeah, So I think it's because of Cortana
though because I have Cortana on both
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and I believe that also gives you some of
that functionality but that then
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I'm like OK So is this in the future
going to be taken out of Cortana?
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-Yes so, right. Actually it's kind of
confusing because this is hum,
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I wrote a book about Windows 10 that I'm
still updating for the anniversary update
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and one of the things I put off literally
to the very end that I will wrote right
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in the last of all the new content is
phone integration because it's actually a
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little convoluted there are three ways
right now that you can get information
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back and forth from your phone through
Windows 10 as I understand it. One is this
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new S.M.S. relay feature in the Skype
preview. One is the thing you're seeing
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which is the Cortana integration but
there's also like a Windows phone
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integration I will get Windows Phone
notifications in Action Center on
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Windows 10that are notifications that
came from Windows 10 in the phone and so
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they could be about anything it will be
like Facebook updates.
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You know different things from different
apps on the phone and those things will
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actually surface in Windows 10 of my P.C.
as well. So I'm still trying to kind of..
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where and how all these things happen
and why you know it's interesting I have
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three different phones, so I have and
Android phone like you do and I have the
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Windows Phone and also an iPhone
So the iPhone doesn't really do anything
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but the expectation is that you'll have a
pretty decent level of functionality
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through Android if you have Windows 10
and then obviously if you have
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Windows 10 mobile you would have
the best experience
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because those two things would
be tightly integrated.
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-You know that's something in a
feature I actually would really like
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something in Windows that shows me how
the various services integrate because
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it's always an crapshoot for me about what
notifications I get on what devices like
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you I've got I.O.'s devices I've got
Windows devices I've got Android I think
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Windows Mobile and it always, I’m never
really sure what is syncing and what's not
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-It's like a roulette wheel and I just was
speaking Skype specifically, this morning
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I was chatting with Brad on Skype & we're
you know we're texting back and forth
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he writes, I write you know five minutes
goes by, 15 minutes and all of a sudden
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one of my three phones in this case it
was my iPhone the screen lights up and
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I look over and it's a Skype notification
of something. Brad had written me on Skype
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about two minutes earlier. And so for
some reason that one version of the app
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on that one phone lit up. It was like all
my devices or weight are in the back and
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one of those are like I got it. I got it,
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and it just kind of like I'm having an
active conversation in Skype on Windows.
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You know why? Why would these other
things? You know how it is, if I go to my
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Android phone and I turn them on right
now and I go into Skype. You know thus
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waking it up which is a mistake. It's like
Jason from Friday the 13th or something
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but if I do wake it up briefly it will
flash those one two three conversations
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that are marked unread the conversations
I had earlier with Brad actually this one
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from Twit and the conversations I had
with Mary Jo according to this version of
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the app these conversations are unread.
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-I know, that happens to me too. Yet when
I when I've had my Windows 10
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laptop for a while I turn on you know
they all the messages filtered through
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but then some show up as unread
and some show up as read.
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-Yep.
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-So I'm not sure what makes
both of those things happen.
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-Yeah I ended up going into Windows 10
notification I just turning off everything
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everything because I was so tired of
receiving the same notifications 15 times
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-Yep
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-Actually there's something else that I
do love the syncing across accounts
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that actually does work nicely except
for the fact that at home. I've got this
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monster set up with two 4K. monitors
and a bunch of little monitors around the
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periphery and it tries to import those
preferences into my laptop and it doesn't
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matter how many times I tell it not to do
that it. There's always an update in the,
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the switch gets turned back on & suddenly
all the text on my laptop is tiny.
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Because it's adjusting with what it thinks
I want to the desktop, which that's again
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I want some sort of central control panel
that shows all my devices and which
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settings are moving between which devices.
It sounds like that's an absolute
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necessity now with all the different
devices that we use. And with all the
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syncing that Microsoft trying to build
into the products. That's a necessity.
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-Yeah you know obviously Microsoft doesn't
have a big presence slash
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any presence in Mobile and so one of the
concerns that they have that maybe Apple
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doesn't have and Google only has to a
lesser extent say with IOS Devices is the
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cross-platform stuff you know Bart W on
Twitter's ask Mary-Jo and I if S.M.S.
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relay is coming to the Skype apps on IOS
and Android as
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well and it's a reasonable expectation
that it would but
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you know of course on Android you have
a Microsoft has a
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much easier way of getting into the
system and making
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this more seamless whereas in IOS,
if you think about how
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Cortana works you kind of have to go
in and run the app
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for some things to happen. You know it's
never going to be as. .
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even though it can you know, it can sort
of run in the background a little bit
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you can never be sure that it will always
be there. This is more easily done on
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Android and Windows Phone So if you…
Mary-Jo do you know off the top you head
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has Microsoft ever spoke to S.M.S relay
on IOS Android?
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-I don't remember them saying that.
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