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Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights

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    I'd like to have you look at this pencil.
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    It's a thing. It's a legal thing.
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    And so are books you might have
    or the cars you own.
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    They're all legal things.
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    The great apes that you'll see behind me,
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    they too are legal things.
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    Now, I can do that to a legal thing.
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    I can do whatever I want
    to my book or my car.
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    These great apes, you'll see.
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    The photographs are taken by a man
    named James Mollison
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    who wrote a book called
    "James & Other Apes."
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    And he tells in his book
    how every single one them,
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    almost every one of them, is an orphan
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    who saw his mother and father
    die before his eyes.
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    They're legal things.
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    So for centuries, there's been
    a great legal wall
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    that separates legal things
    from legal persons.
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    On one hand, legal things
    are invisible to judges.
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    They don't count in law.
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    They don't have any legal rights.
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    They don't have
    the capacity for legal rights.
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    They are the slaves.
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    On the other side of that legal wall
    are the legal persons.
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    Legal persons are very visible to judges.
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    They count in law.
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    They may have many rights.
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    They have the capacity
    for an infinite number of rights.
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    And they're the masters.
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    Right now, all nonhuman animals
    are legal things.
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    All human beings are legal persons.
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    But being human and being a legal person
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    has never been, and is not today,
    synonymous with a legal person.
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    Humans and legal persons
    are not synonymous.
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    On the one side,
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    there have been many human beings
    over the centuries
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    who have been legal things.
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    Slaves were legal things.
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    Women, children,
    were sometimes legal things.
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    Indeed, a great deal of civil rights
    struggle over the last centuries
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    has been to punch a hole
    through that wall and begin to feed
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    these human things through the wall
    and have them become legal persons.
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    But alas, that hole has closed up.
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    Now, on the other side are legal persons,
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    but they've never only been
    limited to human beings.
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    There are, for example, there are many
    legal persons who are not even alive.
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    In the United States,
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    we're aware of the fact
    that corporations are legal persons.
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    In pre-independence India,
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    a court held that a Hindu idol
    was a legal person,
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    that a mosque was a legal person.
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    In 2000, the Indian Supreme Court
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    held that the holy books
    of the Sikh religion was a legal person,
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    and in 2012, just recently,
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    there was a treaty between
    the indigenous peoples of New Zealand
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    and the crown, in which it was agreed
    that a river was a legal person
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    who owned its own riverbed.
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    Now, I read Peter Singer's book in 1980,
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    when I had a full head
    of lush, brown hair,
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    and indeed I was moved by it,
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    because I had become a lawyer because
    I wanted to speak for the voiceless,
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    defend the defenseless,
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    and I'd never realized how voiceless
    and defenseless the trillions,
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    billions of nonhuman animals are.
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    And I began to work
    as an animal protection lawyer.
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    And by 1985, I realized that I was trying
    to accomplish something
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    that was literally impossible,
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    the reason being that all of my clients,
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    all the animals whose interests
    I was trying to defend,
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    were legal things; they were invisible.
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    It was not going to work, so I decided
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    that the only thing that was going to work
    was they had, at least some of them,
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    had to also be moved through a hole
    that we could open up again in that wall
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    and begin feeding the appropriate
    nonhuman animals through that hole
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    onto the other side
    of being legal persons.
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    Now, at that time, there was
    very little known about or spoken about
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    truly animal rights,
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    about the idea of having legal personhood
    or legal rights for a nonhuman animal,
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    and I knew it was going
    to take a long time.
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    And so, in 1985, I figured that it
    would take about 30 years
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    before we'd be able to even begin
    a strategic litigation,
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    long-term campaign, in order to be able
    to punch another hole through that wall.
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    It turned out that I was pessimistic,
    that it only took 28.
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    So what we had to do in order
    to begin was not only
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    to write law review articles
    and teach classes, write books,
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    but we had to then begin
    to get down to the nuts and bolts
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    of how you litigate that kind of case.
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    So one of the first things we needed to do
    was figure out what a cause of action was,
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    a legal cause of action.
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    And a legal cause of action
    is a vehicle that lawyers use
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    to put their arguments in front of courts.
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    It turns out there's
    a very interesting case
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    that had occurred almost 250 years ago
    in London called Somerset vs. Stewart,
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    whereby a black slave
    had used the legal system
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    and had moved from a legal thing
    to a legal person.
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    I was so interested in it that I
    eventually wrote an entire book about it.
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    James Somerset was an eight-year-old boy
    when he was kidnapped from West Africa.
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    He survived the Middle Passage,
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    and he was sold to a Scottish businessman
    named Charles Stewart in Virginia.
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    Now, 20 years later, Stewart
    brought James Somerset to London,
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    and after he got there, James decided
    he was going to escape.
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    And so one of the first things he did
    was to get himself baptized,
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    because he wanted to get
    a set of godparents,
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    because to an 18th-century slave,
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    they knew that one of the major
    responsibilities of godfathers
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    was to help you escape.
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    And so in the fall of 1771,
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    James Somerset had a confrontation
    with Charles Stewart.
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    We don't know exactly what happened,
    but then James dropped out of sight.
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    An enraged Charles Stewart
    then hired slave catchers
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    to canvass the city of London,
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    find him, bring him
    not back to Charles Stewart,
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    but to a ship, the Ann and Mary,
    that was floating in London Harbour,
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    and he was chained to the deck,
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    and the ship was to set sail for Jamaica
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    where James was to be sold
    in the slave markets
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    and be doomed to the three to five
    years of life that a slave had
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    harvesting sugar cane in Jamaica.
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    Well now James' godparents
    swung into action.
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    They approached the most powerful judge,
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    Lord Mansfield, who was chief judge
    of the court of King's Bench,
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    and they demanded that he issue
    a common law writ of habeus corpus
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    on behalf of James Somerset.
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    Now, the common law is the kind of law
    that English-speaking judges can make
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    when they're not cabined in
    by statutes or constitutions,
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    and a writ of habeus corpus
    is called the Great Writ,
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    capital G, capital W,
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    and it's meant to protect any of us
    who are detained against our will.
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    A writ of habeus corpus is issued.
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    The detainer is required
    to bring the detainee in
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    and give a legally sufficient reason
    for depriving him of his bodily liberty.
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    Well, Lord Mansfield had to make
    a decision right off the bat,
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    because if James Somerset
    was a legal thing,
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    he was not eligible
    for a writ of habeus corpus,
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    only if he could be a legal person.
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    So Lord Mansfield decided
    that he would assume,
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    without deciding, that James Somerset
    was indeed a legal person,
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    and he issued the writ of habeus corpus,
    and James's body was brought in
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    by the captain of the ship.
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    There were a series of hearings
    over the next six months.
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    On June 22, 1772, Lord Mansfield
    said that slavery was so odious,
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    and he used the word "odious,"
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    that the common law would not support it,
    and he ordered James free.
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    At that moment, James Somerset
    underwent a legal transubstantiation.
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    The free man who walked
    out of the courtroom
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    looked exactly like the slave
    who had walked in,
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    but as far as the law was concerned,
    they had nothing whatsoever in common.
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    The next thing we did is that
    the Nonhuman Rights Project,
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    which I founded, then began to look at
    what kind of values and principles
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    do we want to put before the judges?
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    What values and principles
    did they imbibe with their mother's milk,
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    were they taught in law school,
    do they use every day,
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    do they believe with all their hearts --
    and we chose liberty and equality.
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    Now, liberty right is the kind of right
    to which you're entitled
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    because of how you're put together,
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    and a fundamental liberty right
    protects a fundamental interest.
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    And the supreme interest in the common law
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    are the rights to autonomy
    and self-determination.
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    So they are so powerful that
    in a common law country,
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    if you go to a hospital and you refuse
    life-saving medical treatment,
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    a judge will not order it forced upon you,
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    because they will respect
    your self-determination and your autonomy.
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    Now, an equality right is the kind
    of right to which you're entitled
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    because you resemble someone else
    in a relevant way,
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    and there's the rub, relevant way.
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    So if you are that, then because
    they have the right, you're like them,
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    you're entitled to the right.
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    Now, courts and legislatures
    draw lines all the time.
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    Some are included, some are excluded.
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    But you have to,
    at the bare minimum you must --
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    that line has to be a reasonable means
    to a legitimate end.
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    The Nonhuman Rights Project
    argues that drawing a line
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    in order to enslave an autonomous
    and self-determining being
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    like you're seeing behind me,
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    that that's a violation of equality.
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    We then searched through 80 jurisdictions,
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    it took us seven years,
    to find the jurisdiction
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    where we wanted to begin
    filing our first suit.
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    We chose the state of New York.
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    Then we decided upon
    who our plaintiffs are going to be.
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    We decided upon chimpanzees,
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    not just because Jane Goodall
    was on our board of directors,
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    but because they, Jane and others,
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    have studied chimpanzees
    intensively for decades.
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    We know the extraordinary
    cognitive capabilities that they have,
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    and they also resemble the kind
    that human beings have.
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    And so we chose chimpanzees,
    and we began to then canvass the world
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    to find the experts
    in chimpanzee cognition.
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    We found them in Japan, Sweden, Germany,
    Scotland, England and the United States,
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    and amongst them, they wrote
    100 pages of affidavits
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    in which they set out more than 40 ways
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    in which their complex
    cognitive capability,
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    either individually or together,
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    all added up to autonomy
    and self-determination.
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    Now, these included, for example,
    that they were conscious.
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    But they're also conscious
    that they're conscious.
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    They know they have a mind.
    They know that others have minds.
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    They know they're individuals,
    and that they can live.
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    They understand that they lived yesterday
    and they will live tomorrow.
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    They engage in mental time travel.
    They remember what happened yesterday.
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    They can anticipate tomorrow,
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    which is why it's so terrible to imprison
    a chimpanzee, especially alone.
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    It's the thing that we do
    to our worst criminals,
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    and we do that to chimpanzees
    without even thinking about it.
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    They have some kind of moral capacity.
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    When they play economic games
    with human beings,
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    they'll spontaneously make fair offers,
    even when they're not required to do so.
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    They are numerate.
    They understand numbers.
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    They can do some simple math.
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    They can engage in language --
    or to stay out of the language wars,
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    they're involved in intentional
    and referential communication
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    in which they pay attention
    to the attitudes of those
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    with whom they are speaking.
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    They have culture.
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    They have a material culture,
    a social culture.
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    They have a symbolic culture.
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    Scientists in the Taï Forests
    in the Ivory Coast
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    found chimpanzees who were using
    these rocks to smash open
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    the incredibly hard hulls of nuts.
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    It takes a long time
    to learn how to do that,
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    and they excavated the area
    and they found
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    that this material culture,
    this way of doing it,
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    these rocks, had passed down
    for at least 4,300 years
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    through 225 chimpanzee generations.
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    So now we needed to find our chimpanzee.
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    Our chimpanzee,
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    first we found two of them
    in the state of New York.
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    Both of them would die before
    we could even get our suits filed.
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    Then we found Tommy.
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    Tommy is a chimpanzee.
    You see him behind me.
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    Tommy was a chimpanzee.
    We found him in that cage.
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    We found him in a small room
    that was filled with cages
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    in a larger warehouse structure on a used
    trailer lot in central New York.
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    We found Kiko, who is partially deaf.
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    Kiko was in the back of a cement
    storefront in western Massachusetts.
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    And we found Hercules and Leo.
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    They're two young male chimpanzees
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    who are being used for biomedical,
    anatomical research at Stony Brook.
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    We found them.
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    And so on the last week of December 2013,
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    the Nonhuman Rights Project filed three
    suits all across the state of New York
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    using the same common law
    writ of habeus corpus argument
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    that had been used with James Somerset,
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    and we demanded that the judges issue
    these common law writs of habeus corpus.
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    We wanted the chimpanzees out,
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    and we wanted them brought
    to Save the Chimps,
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    a tremendous chimpanzee
    sanctuary in South Florida
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    which involves an artificial lake
    with 12 or 13 islands --
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    there are two or three acres
    where two dozen chimpanzees live
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    on each of them.
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    And these chimpanzees would then live
    the life of a chimpanzee,
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    with other chimpanzees in an environment
    that was as close to Africa as possible.
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    Now, all these cases are still going on.
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    We have not yet run into
    our Lord Mansfield.
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    We shall. We shall.
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    This is a long-term strategic
    litigation campaign. We shall.
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    And to quote Winston Churchill,
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    the way we view our cases
    is that they're not the end,
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    they're not even the beginning of the end,
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    but they are perhaps
    the end of the beginning.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights
Speaker:
Steven Wise
Description:

Chimpanzees are people too, you know. Ok, not exactly. But lawyer Steven Wise has spent the last 30 years working to change these animals' status from "things" to "persons." It's not a matter of legal semantics; as he describes in this fascinating talk, recognizing that animals like chimps have extraordinary cognitive capabilities and rethinking the way we treat them — legally — is no less than a moral duty.

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Video Language:
English
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Duration:
14:17

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