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Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights

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    I'd like to have you look at this pencil.
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    It's a thing. It's a legal thing.
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    And so are books you might have
    or the cars that you own.
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    They're all legal things.
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    The great apes that you'll see behind me,
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    they too are legal things.
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    Now, I can do that to a legal thing.
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    I can do whatever I want
    to my book or my car.
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    These great apes, you'll see.
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    The photographs are taken by a man
    named James Mollison
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    who wrote a book called
    "James & Other Apes."
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    And he tells in his book
    how every single one them,
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    almost every one of them, is an orphan
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    who saw his mother and father
    die before his eyes.
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    They're legal things.
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    So for centuries, there's been
    a great legal wall
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    that separates legal things
    from legal persons.
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    On one hand, legal things
    are invisible to judges.
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    They don't count in law.
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    They don't have any legal rights.
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    They don't have
    the capacity for legal rights.
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    They are the slaves.
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    On the other side of that legal wall
    are the legal persons.
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    Legal persons are very visible to judges.
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    They count in law.
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    They may have many rights.
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    They have the capacity
    for an infinite number of rights.
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    And they're the masters.
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    Right now, all non-human animals
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    are legal things.
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    All human beings are legal persons.
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    But being human and being a legal person
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    has never been, and is not today,
    synonymous with a legal person.
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    Humans and legal persons
    are not synonymous.
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    On the one side,
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    there have been many human beings
    over the centuries
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    who have been legal things.
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    Slaves were legal things.
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    Women, children
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    were sometimes legal things.
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    Indeed, a great deal of civil rights
    struggle over the last centuries
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    has been to punch a hole
    through that wall
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    and begin to feed
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    these human things through the wall
    and have them become legal persons.
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    Alas, that hole has closed up.
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    Now, on the other side are legal persons,
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    but they've never only been
    limited to human beings.
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    There are, for example, there are many
    legal persons who are not even alive.
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    In the United States, we're aware
    of the fact that corporations
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    are legal persons.
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    In pre-independence India,
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    a court held that a Hindu idol
    was a legal person,
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    that a mosque was a legal person.
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    In 2000, the Indian Supreme Court
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    held that the holy books
    of the Sikh religion was a legal person,
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    and in 2012, just recently,
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    there was a treaty between
    the indigenous peoples of New Zealand
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    and the crown, in which it was agreed
    that a river was a legal person
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    who owned its own riverbed.
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    Now, I read Peter Singer's book in 1980,
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    when I had a full head
    of lush, brown hair,
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    and indeed I was moved by it,
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    because I had become a lawyer because
    I wanted to speak for the voiceless,
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    defend the defenseless,
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    and I'd never realized how voiceless
    and defenseless the trillions,
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    billions of non-human animals are.
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    And I began to work
    as an animal protection lawyer.
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    And by 1985, I realized that I
    was trying to accomplish something
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    that was literally impossible,
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    the reason being that all of my clients,
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    all the animals whose interests
    I was trying to defend,
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    were legal things. They were invisible.
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    It was not going to work, so I decided
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    that the only thing that was going to work
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    was they had, at least some of them,
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    had to also be moved through a hole
    that we could open up again in that wall
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    and begin feeding the appropriate
    non-human animals through that hole
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    onto the other side
    of being legal persons.
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    Now, at that time, there was
    very little known about or spoken about
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    about truly animal rights,
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    about the idea of having a legal person
    or a legal rights for a non-human animal,
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    and I knew it was going to take a long time.
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    And so, in 1985, I figured that it
    would take about 30 years
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    before we'd be able to even begin
    a strategic litigation,
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    long-term campaign, in order to be able
    to punch another hole through that wall.
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    It turned out that I was pessimistic,
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    that it only took 28.
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    So what we had to do in order
    to begin was not only
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    to write law review articles
    and teach classes, write books,
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    but we had to then begin
    to get down to the nuts and bolts
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    of how you litigate that kind of case.
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    So one of the first things we needed to do
    was figure out what a cause of action was,
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    a legal cause of action.
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    And a legal cause of action
    is a vehicle that lawyers use
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    to put their arguments in front of courts.
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    It turns out there's
    a very interesting case
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    that had been heard
    almost 250 years ago in London
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    called Somerset v Stewart,
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    whereby a black slave
    had used the legal system
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    and had moved from a legal thing
    to a legal person.
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    I was so interested in it that I
    eventually wrote an entire book about it.
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    James Somerset was an eight-year old boy
    when he was kidnapped from West Africa.
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    He survived the Middle Passage,
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    and he was sold to a Scottish businessman
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    named Charles Stewart in Virginia.
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    Now, 20 years later, Stewart
    brought James Somerset to London,
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    and after he got there, James decided
    he was going to escape.
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    And so one of the first things he did
    was to get himself baptized,
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    because he wanted to get
    a set of godparents,
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    because to an 18th-century slave,
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    they knew that one of the major
    responsibilities of godfathers
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    was to help you escape.
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    And so in the fall of 1771,
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    James Somerset had a confrontation
    with Charles Stewart.
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    We don't know exactly what happened,
    but then James dropped out of sight.
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    An enraged Charles Stewart
    then hired slave catchers
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    to canvas the city of London,
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    find him, bring him
    not back to Charles Stewart,
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    but to a ship, the Anna Marie,
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    that was floating in London Harbor,
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    and he was chained to the deck,
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    and the ship was to set sail for Jamaica
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    where James was to be sold
    in the slave markets
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    and be doomed to the three-to-five years
    of life that a slave had
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    harvesting sugar cane in Jamaica.
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    Well now, James's godparents
    swung into action.
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    They approached the most powerful judge,
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    Lord Mansfield, who was Chief Judge
    of the Court of King's Bench,
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    and they demanded that he issue
    a common law write of habeus corpus
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    on behalf of James Somerset.
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    Now, the common law is the kind of law
    that English-speaking judges can make
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    when they're not cabinned in
    by statues or constitutions,
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    and a writ of habeus corpus
    is called the Great Writ,
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    capital G, capital W,
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    and it's meant to protect any of us
    who are detained against our will.
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    A writ of habeus corpus is issued.
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    The detainer is required
    to bring the detainee in
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    and give a legally sufficient reason
    for depriving him of his bodily liberty.
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    Well, Lord Mansfield has to make
    a decision right off the bat,
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    because if James Somerset
    was a legal thing,
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    he was not eligible
    for a writ of habeus corpus,
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    only if he could be a legal person.
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    So Lord Mansfield decided
    that he would assume,
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    without deciding, that James Somerset
    was indeed a legal person,
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    and he issued the writ of habeus corpus,
    and James's body was broad in
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    by the captain of the ship.
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    There were a series of hearings
    over the next six months.
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    On June 22, 1772, Lord Mansfield
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    said that slavery was so odious,
    and he used the word "odious,"
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    that the common law would not support it,
    and he ordered James free.
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    At that moment, James Somerset
    underwent a legal transubstantiation.
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    The free man who walked
    out of the courtroom
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    looked exactly like the salve
    who had walked in,
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    but as far as the law was concerned,
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    they had nothing whatsoever in common.
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    The next thing we did is that
    the Nonhuman Rights Project,
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    which we founded, then began to look at
    what kind of values and principles
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    do we want to put before the judges?
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    What values and principles
    did they imbibe with their mother's milk,
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    were they taught in law school,
    do they use every day,
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    do they believe with all their hearts?
    And we chose liberty and equality.
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    Now, liberty right is the kind of right
    to which you're entitled
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    because of how you're put together,
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    and a fundamental liberty right
    protects the fundamental interest.
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    And the supreme interest in the common law
    are the rights to autonomy
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    and self-determination.
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    So they are so powerful that
    in a common law country,
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    if you go to a hospital and you refuse
    life-saving medical treatment,
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    a judge will not order it forced upon you,
    because they will respect
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    your self-determination and your autonomy.
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    Now, an equality right is the kind
    of right to which you're entitled
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    because you resemble someone else
    in a relevant way,
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    and there's the rub, relevant way.
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    So if you are that, then because
    they have the right, you're like them,
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    you're entitled to the right.
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    Now, courts and legislatures
    draw lines all the time.
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    Some are included, some are excluded.
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    But you have to, at the bare minimum,
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    that line has to be a reasonable means
    to a legitimate end.
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    The Nonhuman Rights Project argues
    that drawing a line in order
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    to enslave an autonomous
    and self-determining being
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    like you're seeing behind me,
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    that that's a violation of equality.
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    We then searched through 80 jurisdictions,
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    it took us seven years,
    to find a jurisdiction
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    that we wanted to begin
    filing our first suit.
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    We chose the State of New York.
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    Then we decided upon
    who our plaintiffs are going to be.
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    We decided upon chimpanzees,
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    not just because Jane Goodall
    was on our board of directors,
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    but because they, Jane and others,
    have studied chimpanzees
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    intensively for decades.
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    We know the extraordinary
    cognitive capabilities that they have,
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    and they also resemble the kind
    that human beings have.
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    And so we chose chimpanzees,
    and we began to then canvas the world
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    to find the experts
    in chimpanzee cognition.
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    We found them in Japan, Sweden, Germany,
    Scotland, England, and the United States,
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    and amongst them, they wrote
    100 pages of affidavits
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    in which they set out more than 40 ways
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    in which their complex
    cognitive capability,
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    either individually or together,
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    all added up to autonomy
    and self-determination.
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    Now, these included, for example,
    that they were conscious.
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    But they're also conscious
    that they're conscious.
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    They know they have a mind.
    They know that others have a mind.
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    They know they're individuals,
    and that they can live.
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    They understand that they lived yesterday
    and they will live tomorrow.
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    They engage in mental time travel.
    They remember what happened yesterday.
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    They can anticipate tomorrow,
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    which is why it's so terrible
    to imprison a chimpanzee,
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    especially alone: it's the things
    that we do to our worst criminals,
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    and we do that to chimpanzees
    without even thinking about it.
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    They have some kind of moral capacity.
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    When they play economic games
    with human beings,
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    they'll spontaneously make fair offers,
    even when they're not required to do so.
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    They are numerate.
    They understand numbers.
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    They can do some simple math.
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    They can engage in language or,
    to stay out of the language wars,
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    they're involved in intentional
    and referential communication
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    in which they pay attention
    to the attitudes of those
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    with whom they are speaking.
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    They have culture.
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    They have a material culture,
    a social culture.
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    They have a symbolic culture.
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    Scientists in the Taï Forests
    in the Ivory Coast
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    found chimpanzees who were using
    these rocks to smash open
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    incredibly hard hulls of nuts.
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    It takes a long time
    to learn how to do that,
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    and they excavated the area
    and they found
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    that this material culture,
    this way of doing it,
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    these rocks, had passed down
    for at least 4,300 years
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    through 225 chimpanzee generations.
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    So now we needed to find our chimpanzee.
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    Our chimpanzee,
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    first we found two of them
    in the State of New York.
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    Both of them would die before
    we could even get our suits filed.
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    Then we found Tommy.
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    Tommy is a chimpanzee.
    You see him behind me.
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    Tommy was a chimpanzee.
    We found him in that cage.
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    We found him in a small room
    that was filled with cages
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    in a larger warehouse structure
    on a used trailer lot
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    in central New York.
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    We found Kiko, who is partially deaf.
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    Kiko was in the back of a cement
    storefront in western Massachusetts.
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    And we found Hercules and Leo.
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    They're two young male chimpanzees
    being used for biomedical,
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    anatomical research at Stonybrook.
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    we found them.
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    And so on the last week of December, 2013,
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    the Nonhuman Rights Project
    filed three suits
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    all across the State of New York
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    using the same common law
    writ of habeus corpus argument
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    that had been used with James Somerset,
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    and we demanded that the judges issue
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    these common law writs of habeus corpus.
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    We wanted the chimpanzees out,
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    and we wanted them brought
    to Save the Chimps,
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    a tremendous chimpanzee
    sanctuary in South Florida
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    which involves an artificial lake
    with 12 or 13 islands.
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    There are two or three acres where
    two dozen chimpanzees live on each of them.
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    And these chimpanzees would then live
    the life of a chimpanzee,
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    with other chimpanzees in an environment
    that was as close to Africa as possible.
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    Now, all these cases are still going on.
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    We have not yet run into
    our Lord Mansfield.
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    We shall. We shall.
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    This is a long-term strategic
    litigation campaign. We shall.
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    And to quote Winston Churchill,
    the way we view our cases is that
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    they're not the end,
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    they're not even the beginning of the end,
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    but they are perhaps
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    the end of the beginning.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Chimps have feelings and thoughts. They should also have rights
Speaker:
Steven Wise
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Video Language:
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