samayik-NM-daya-karuna(p-2001)

Mercy – Compassion

Today our satsang topic is

Mercy (daya) and compassion (karuna)

Generally speaking everyone thinks

that daya and karuna are the same thing

There doesn’t seem like there is any difference between the two

Daya and karuna

But in spirituality (adhyatmik) there is a vast difference

[just like the difference between] the sky and the earth

There is that much of a difference [between the two]

The amount of difference there exists

between knowledge (gnan) and ignorance (agnan)

that is the amount of difference between daya and karuna

Daya occurs where there is ignorance [of the Self]

and after gnan there is karuna

Daya is considered an attribute of the Ego (ahamkar)

And karuna begins after the ahamkar leaves

Now people, generally find this astonishing

that daya is being considered egotistical

in the state of ignorance (agnan),

daya is considered to be the highest of virtues (sadguna)

And that is correct as well

daya is said to be the root of religion (dharma)

it is considered to be the root of religion (dharma)

it is not considered to be the root of spiritualism (adhyatma)

it is not considered to be the root to the path of moksha

it is not considered to be the root to attaining the Soul

It does help one start towards [the path of] religion

then by following this, after a long period of time

once the Self is attained

after that karuna [starts to flow]…..

so, the Self is not attainable through daya alone

[the route] to attain the Self is a whole different story

Of the infinite virtues, this [daya] is just one virtue

that is [beneficial]…

for one to progress in religion,

for one to become spiritually ready,

of all these right worldly interactions

daya actually falls under this category of right worldly interactions

a lot more [virtues] are needed along with that

but daya is one of the big things [needed]

But

Gnanis and Tirthankars don’t have daya

They have karuna

They do not have an iota of daya

Why?

Because they don’t have ahamkar

daya will only last if it is on the basement of ahamkar

if there is no ahamkar

then there is no daya there

then one cannot maintain daya

then in that case, there will only be karuna

where is the difference between the two [daya and karuna]?

Daya is considered to be an attribute with duality (dwandva guna)

An attribute with duality

and karuna does not have duality within it

What is an attribute with duality (dwandva guna)?

Where there is mercy (daya),

mercilessness (nirdayata) also exists in those cases

On one side there is mercy and

on the other side there is mercilessness

both are always together

dwandva means both [exist] together

Just like sukh (happiness) and dukh (suffering)

are called dwandva guna

Good and bad are dwandva guna

When two attributes exist together

they are called dwandva guna

Duality

‘dwandva’ means duality

Where there is daya there is mercilessness for sure

that is what is said

How?

As an example

Wherever daya exists

there is ahamkar there

One is not able to see [bear] the suffering (dukh) of others

One goes into suffering due to the suffering of others

That suffering that one feels,

the dukh one feels due to the suffering of others

what is the part that is feeling this dukh?

It is the ego (ahamkar)

However, the tirthankars don’t have ahamkar within

They don’t become pained due to others’ suffering

A person with daya will always be helping others

Why does he do this?

Because he can’t see the suffering of others

he can’t bear it

The suffering of others

makes him feel such unbearable suffering…

such immense pain

that to stop his own pain

he will verily help the other person

he has to help them

he can’t stay without getting involved

all these actions are taking place at a very subtle level

these processes of the mind (mun), intellect (budhi), chit and ego

are taking place at the subtle level

Whereas the Gnanis, the Atma Gnanis, the Tirthankars

don’t feel daya

They don’t even feel dukh either

They feel karuna

When a mouse passes by…

or when a small mouse passes by

and a cat is pouncing to kill the mouse

Then all these people who are full of daya

will begin to jump up and down right there and then

they get angry at the cat

To save the rat, they hit the cat

They throw the kitchen tongs [at the cat]

they break the cats' leg

and from within they feel happy that they saved the mouse

they taste the sweet juice of doership (garvaras)

that “I saved it [the mouse]”

“I saved the mouse”

And they feel contempt for the cat

So for both cases; for one they felt daya

and for the cat, they felt mercilessness

so it become duality (dwandva)

thus if daya exists then somewhere in some corner

there verily will lie mercilessness

it will be there…

so for all those who are full of daya,

it is always like this

They try to save one,

as a result

they do [the opposite] with the other one

Do you understand this?

This is true for people with daya

Whilst the Gnani’s don’t have daya

Dada said,

“We don’t have a cent of daya”

“We don’t feel suffering if others are suffering”

“We have compassion (karuna)”

Karuna means that they feel the same for both;

there is karuna for the mouse

and there is also karuna for the cat

There is no contempt

Nor does the thought to kill them arise

there are no feelings of any kind for either

For both [animals] the inner intent is that of karuna

now how can one have karuna for the mouse?

And now how can one also have karuna for the cat?

What must be the internal state of the Gnani?

What [understanding] is set within,

to actually have the same inner intent for both [animals]?

They can see in their gnan

What [do they see]?

They [Gnanis] can see for both [animals]

They can see it for the cat

and they can see it for the mouse as well

They see

‘that really the cat is not charging any new karmas

but right now

the discharge to kill [the mouse] that has come

[she will have to suffer] another discharge for this discharge

this karmic account (hisaab) won’t leave her,

during her discharge of the discharge’

So they [Gnanis] will have karuna for her

‘That what is this poor thing doing

she has no idea what the result of this [action] will be’

and on the other side

they [Gnanis] have karuna for the mouse

‘That this poor thing,

has got this hisaab to suffer right now,

although as a result,

he [the mouse] is progressing to a higher development

but he has this kind of a hisaab to die in this way’

and in this manner they feel karuna [for the two]

So, mercy and mercilessness doesn’t arise

it is the same for both

Gnani’s do not do any interference - reactions to interferences

Tirthankars don’t have any interfere or reactions to interferences

That is why

Tirthankars are called idols of compassion,

they are called oceans of compassion

They constantly have karuna

They have karuna towards all the living beings of this world

Besides that, they have nothing else,

They don’t want anything from anybody

They don’t have ahamkar there

They don’t have any inner intent to take or give

They don’t have any inner intent to save or to kill

To want to kill is verily ahamkar

And to want to save is also ahamkar

So ahamkar verily remains

whereas in their [Gnanis/Tirthankars] case,

there is no ahamkar

When you try to explain this, still one doesn’t understand

common people have a lot of inner intent to save,

and that [inner intent] should be there

because they are in the worldly life

and they are with ahamkar

therefore this is a positive ahamkar

we are not saying that it [the ahamkar] is wrong

but for those who want to attain the Self and go to Moksha

they will have to become free of ahamkar,

the direction they have chosen is different

their destination is different

this discussion is for them

it is not for the common person

for the common people,

doing this and having daya is correct for them

if that wasn’t there,

then they would walk in the wrong direction

because the Self has not been attained

and the ahamkar hasn’t left

if it [ahamkar] doesn’t fall into saving then

it [ahamkar] will fall into hurting

one or the other will be there

in duality

do you understand?

this is a very minute point

the demarcation is extremely minute

it is an extremely minute demarcation

between daya and karuna

Even in your business

this verily happens…

The opposite party [antagonist]

And our party versus

the opposite party

It happens in religion

It also happens in business

‘We’ are in none of this

Everyone is seen in the form of the Self

They are seen as if they were my own Self

If this vision exists

If this vision of the Self exists

only then will karuna begin to flow

Even if the slightest vision of the non-Self complex exists

then karuna will not flow there

and as a result mercy will come into existence

and mercilessness will occur inevitably over there

Experience this for yourself

And then it will verily affect you inside

The same [event] will be visible within

It doesn’t go out of one’s chit

The photo gets snapped there

Uneasiness occurs over there

You can’t bear the other person’s dukh

And you feel inner suffering inside

This is what is to be seen in todays’ samayik

That

How much of it is daya for us?

observe that

in the prakruti [mind-body complex] this part is daya

And we have to come out of that

And the ahamkar that is behind it

observe that ahamkar - wherever the daya has arisen

getting out of ahamkar, we have to move towards karuna

Jai Sat Chit Anand