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Mercy – Compassion

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Today our satsang topic is

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Mercy (daya) and compassion (karuna)

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Generally speaking everyone thinks

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that daya and karuna are the same thing

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There doesn’t seem like there is any difference between the two

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Daya and karuna

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But in spirituality (adhyatmik) there is a vast difference

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[just like the difference between] the sky and the earth

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There is that much of a difference [between the two]

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The amount of difference there exists

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between knowledge (gnan) and ignorance (agnan)

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that is the amount of difference between daya and karuna

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Daya occurs where there is ignorance [of the Self]

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and after gnan there is karuna

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Daya is considered an attribute of the Ego (ahamkar)

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And karuna begins after the ahamkar leaves

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Now people, generally find this astonishing

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that daya is being considered egotistical

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in the state of ignorance (agnan),

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daya is considered to be the highest of virtues (sadguna)

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And that is correct as well

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daya is said to be the root of religion (dharma)

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it is considered to be the root of religion (dharma)

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it is not considered to be the root of spiritualism (adhyatma)

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it is not considered to be the root to the path of moksha

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it is not considered to be the root to attaining the Soul

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It does help one start towards [the path of] religion

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then by following this, after a long period of time

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once the Self is attained

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after that karuna [starts to flow]…..

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so, the Self is not attainable through daya alone

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[the route] to attain the Self is a whole different story

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Of the infinite virtues, this [daya] is just one virtue

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that is [beneficial]…

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for one to progress in religion,

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for one to become spiritually ready,

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of all these right worldly interactions

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daya actually falls under this category of right worldly interactions

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a lot more [virtues] are needed along with that

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but daya is one of the big things [needed]

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But

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Gnanis and Tirthankars don’t have daya

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They have karuna

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They do not have an iota of daya

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Why?

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Because they don’t have ahamkar

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daya will only last if it is on the basement of ahamkar

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if there is no ahamkar

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then there is no daya there

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then one cannot maintain daya

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then in that case, there will only be karuna

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where is the difference between the two [daya and karuna]?

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Daya is considered to be an attribute with duality (dwandva guna)

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An attribute with duality

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and karuna does not have duality within it

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What is an attribute with duality (dwandva guna)?

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Where there is mercy (daya),

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mercilessness (nirdayata) also exists in those cases

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On one side there is mercy and

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on the other side there is mercilessness

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both are always together

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dwandva means both [exist] together

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Just like sukh (happiness) and dukh (suffering)

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are called dwandva guna

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Good and bad are dwandva guna

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When two attributes exist together

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they are called dwandva guna

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Duality

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‘dwandva’ means duality

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Where there is daya there is mercilessness for sure

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that is what is said

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How?

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As an example

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Wherever daya exists

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there is ahamkar there

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One is not able to see [bear] the suffering (dukh) of others

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One goes into suffering due to the suffering of others

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That suffering that one feels,

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the dukh one feels due to the suffering of others

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what is the part that is feeling this dukh?

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It is the ego (ahamkar)

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However, the tirthankars don’t have ahamkar within

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They don’t become pained due to others’ suffering

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A person with daya will always be helping others

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Why does he do this?

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Because he can’t see the suffering of others

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he can’t bear it

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The suffering of others

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makes him feel such unbearable suffering…

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such immense pain

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that to stop his own pain

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he will verily help the other person

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he has to help them

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he can’t stay without getting involved

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all these actions are taking place at a very subtle level

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these processes of the mind (mun), intellect (budhi), chit and ego

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are taking place at the subtle level

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Whereas the Gnanis, the Atma Gnanis, the Tirthankars

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don’t feel daya

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They don’t even feel dukh either

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They feel karuna

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When a mouse passes by…

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or when a small mouse passes by

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and a cat is pouncing to kill the mouse

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Then all these people who are full of daya

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will begin to jump up and down right there and then

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they get angry at the cat

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To save the rat, they hit the cat

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They throw the kitchen tongs [at the cat]

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they break the cats' leg

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and from within they feel happy that they saved the mouse

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they taste the sweet juice of doership (garvaras)

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that “I saved it [the mouse]”

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“I saved the mouse”

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And they feel contempt for the cat

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So for both cases; for one they felt daya

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and for the cat, they felt mercilessness

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so it become duality (dwandva)

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thus if daya exists then somewhere in some corner

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there verily will lie mercilessness

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it will be there…

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so for all those who are full of daya,

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it is always like this

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They try to save one,

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as a result

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they do [the opposite] with the other one

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Do you understand this?

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This is true for people with daya

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Whilst the Gnani’s don’t have daya

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Dada said,

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“We don’t have a cent of daya”

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“We don’t feel suffering if others are suffering”

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“We have compassion (karuna)”

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Karuna means that they feel the same for both;

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there is karuna for the mouse

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and there is also karuna for the cat

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There is no contempt

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Nor does the thought to kill them arise

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there are no feelings of any kind for either

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For both [animals] the inner intent is that of karuna

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now how can one have karuna for the mouse?

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And now how can one also have karuna for the cat?

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What must be the internal state of the Gnani?

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What [understanding] is set within,

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to actually have the same inner intent for both [animals]?

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They can see in their gnan

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What [do they see]?

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They [Gnanis] can see for both [animals]

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They can see it for the cat

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and they can see it for the mouse as well

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They see

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‘that really the cat is not charging any new karmas

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but right now

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the discharge to kill [the mouse] that has come

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[she will have to suffer] another discharge for this discharge

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this karmic account (hisaab) won’t leave her,

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during her discharge of the discharge’

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So they [Gnanis] will have karuna for her

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‘That what is this poor thing doing

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she has no idea what the result of this [action] will be’

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and on the other side

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they [Gnanis] have karuna for the mouse

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‘That this poor thing,

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has got this hisaab to suffer right now,

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although as a result,

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he [the mouse] is progressing to a higher development

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but he has this kind of a hisaab to die in this way’

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and in this manner they feel karuna [for the two]

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So, mercy and mercilessness doesn’t arise

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it is the same for both

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Gnani’s do not do any interference - reactions to interferences

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Tirthankars don’t have any interfere or reactions to interferences

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That is why

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Tirthankars are called idols of compassion,

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they are called oceans of compassion

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They constantly have karuna

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They have karuna towards all the living beings of this world

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Besides that, they have nothing else,

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They don’t want anything from anybody

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They don’t have ahamkar there

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They don’t have any inner intent to take or give

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They don’t have any inner intent to save or to kill

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To want to kill is verily ahamkar

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And to want to save is also ahamkar

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So ahamkar verily remains

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whereas in their [Gnanis/Tirthankars] case,

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there is no ahamkar

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When you try to explain this, still one doesn’t understand

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common people have a lot of inner intent to save,

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and that [inner intent] should be there

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because they are in the worldly life

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and they are with ahamkar

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therefore this is a positive ahamkar

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we are not saying that it [the ahamkar] is wrong

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but for those who want to attain the Self and go to Moksha

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they will have to become free of ahamkar,

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the direction they have chosen is different

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their destination is different

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this discussion is for them

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it is not for the common person

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for the common people,

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doing this and having daya is correct for them

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if that wasn’t there,

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then they would walk in the wrong direction

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because the Self has not been attained

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and the ahamkar hasn’t left

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if it [ahamkar] doesn’t fall into saving then

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it [ahamkar] will fall into hurting

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one or the other will be there

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in duality

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do you understand?

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this is a very minute point

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the demarcation is extremely minute

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it is an extremely minute demarcation

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between daya and karuna

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Even in your business

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this verily happens…

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The opposite party [antagonist]

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And our party versus

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the opposite party

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It happens in religion

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It also happens in business

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‘We’ are in none of this

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Everyone is seen in the form of the Self

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They are seen as if they were my own Self

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If this vision exists

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If this vision of the Self exists

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only then will karuna begin to flow

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Even if the slightest vision of the non-Self complex exists

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then karuna will not flow there

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and as a result mercy will come into existence

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and mercilessness will occur inevitably over there

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Experience this for yourself

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And then it will verily affect you inside

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The same [event] will be visible within

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It doesn’t go out of one’s chit

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The photo gets snapped there

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Uneasiness occurs over there

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You can’t bear the other person’s dukh

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And you feel inner suffering inside

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This is what is to be seen in todays’ samayik

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That

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How much of it is daya for us?

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observe that

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in the prakruti [mind-body complex] this part is daya

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And we have to come out of that

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And the ahamkar that is behind it

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observe that ahamkar - wherever the daya has arisen

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getting out of ahamkar, we have to move towards karuna

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Jai Sat Chit Anand