Outliers - 12 Knots

March 28, 2017 by William Trevaskis.
Original audio podcast, with transcript at http://www.ofthelion.org/12knots/2017/3/28/outliers-1

Bill Trevaskis: Imagine you're
in a movie theater full of people.

Right away you notice differences
in clothing, skin color, hair style,

symbols of religious
or cultural affiliation

that they choose to display.

However, beyond simple observation,
we're not able to see

the thoughts, feelings, and experiences
that make us each outliers.

You're listening to the 12 KNOTS podcast.

I'm Bill Trevaskis.

Feeling different can be challenging but
sometimes that challenge is self-imposed.

As a kid growing up in
suburban Southern California,

I was never under too much pressure
to join a club, make the honor roll,

or play sports.

With few a thousand students
in my high school,

there were plenty of kids
to fill each position.

At the K-12 school in North Haven,
the small island town where I live,

basketball is the school's
only varsity team sport.

It's a unifying force
during the long winters here.

So one night at a game
I asked fans one simple question.

To you, what does basketball mean
to this community?

Participant: Good to keep the spirits up
in the winter time.

Participant: I would say it means
getting together

so that the older crowd
knows the younger ones.

Participant: I think it's been
a long standing , really important thing

in this community.

Participant:. A feeling I have
for basketball:

just to love to go watch basketball

Participant: Basketball in the winter here
provides the entire community

with something to do on Friday
and Saturday nights, with entertainment,

and also every once in a while
something to feel really good about.

Participant: There is just a long, long tradition
of basketball here

and for me, probably one of
the biggest things is that it's the arena

where the community
has always come together

in the midst of the long cold winter
and it makes people happy.

Bill T.: You might think
that there's a lot of pressure to

play a game like basketball
in a town as small as North Haven.

And to many high school students,
there is.

Jake Greenlaw: Hello, my name is
Jake Greenlaw.

Bill T: This is my good friend, Jake.
Jake G.: Check, check.

Bill T.: Jake grew up on the island

and he graduated from
North Haven Community School in 2003.

Jake G.; such a long time ago.

Bill T.: I started out
by asking Jake

these same question
I asked the fans at the game:

What does basketball mean
to the community of North Haven?

Jake G.: Growing up out here, it was
definitely a big thing in the school

and everyone was kind of pushed
to play the sport.

All of the older people around me
at that point

were very into basketball.

They had all -- my father
and all of his classmates

had played basketball,

and he would look through all the pilots
and see how...

Bill T.: The Pilot he's referring
to the school yearbook.

Jake G.:... bad ass they all looked, and

it was very important
to play basketball out here.

I was just never that into sports.

I always wanted to be that guy
who was really good at basketball.

I mean, because I had -- all my friends
around me were into basketball.

They all play on the team
and I was just into other things.

I was just like not into sports.
I've never been into sports.

Bill T.: Was there anyone else
in your class who didn't play?

Jake G.: Not really.

No, it was like ... I mean,
I played pee-wee basketball.

My dad coached pee-wee basketball
actually.

But I did enjoy the
just hanging out with your friends,

and when we would go away and on trips,

I would love the bus ride
and going out to restaurants.

Eva Hopkins: I was never really ...
definitely wasn't a player

and I wasn't into going to the games either,
so it's still very mysterious.

I am Eva Hopkins.

Bill T.: Like Jake, Eva graduated
from North Haven Community School

and knowing her during that time,
I wondered what she felt about basketball.

Eva H.: ...it wasn't super high
on my list of things

I really wanted to leave the house for.

To be fair, there wasn't a lot
on that list anyway.

Bill T.: So why, I mean,
maybe there's one reason,

maybe there are several, but
why didn't you play?

Just to be clear, you didn't play at all.

Eva H.: I didn't play at all.

I think actually I went
to one practice maybe,

I don't know if it was pee-wee
or if it was older.

It might have been pee- wee, but I went
because I almost felt like I had to.

But at the time, I was also
very involved in music,

and in particular in the piano

and learning as much as I could
about how to play

and that was really where my passion was.

And the first exercise that we were doing,

I don't know,I must have
caught the ball funny and it like

I think it bent back my thumb
or something.

It was kind of a realization that oh, yes,
death can happen to you.

There's danger and I just I didn't want
to break fingers

or then lose practice time
with my instrument

and it just wasn't worth it for me
so I was kind of done.

I might have been the only girl
in my class who didn't play.

As far as it went in school,

there were plenty of other people
in the girl's team at the time

that I could have played,

and it wasn't if you don't play
there's no team.

Yeah, it just made sense for me
not to play.

Jake G.:I think people
are more accepting now in a way.

Bill T.: They're more accepting
to the choices people make?

Jake G.: Yeah.

Bill T.: So, did you ever
personally experience any backlash

or was it just in your head.

Jake G.: You know I was lucky
because people already knew me.

I was already a theater guy.
I was already a music guy.

People knew I was good at something.

But I feel for the kids that haven't
quite found themselves

or anything that they really
like to do yet

and are just like --
feel so uncomfortable in themselves,

but like out here, and if you don't have
the right group of friends

and if you're not doing one of those things,
it can just eat you alive.

Bill T.: After talking to Jake and Eva,
I wanted to get a different perspective.

The population at
North Haven Community School

right now is pretty small.

For example, there are only five girls
in the whole high school.

Ashlynn: ... I saw that earlier
and I got really scared.

Bill T.: I spoke with a couple of them
about basketball.

Ashlynn: Ashlynn and I'm a senior
nd I'm 17.

Shyanne W.: I'm Shyanne Waterman,
I'm a junior in high school and I'm 16

Ashlynn: I don't know, I don't really
feel like I was ever forced to do it

but people definitely didn't like it
if you didn't play.

Bill T.: What do you mean?

Ashlynn: Like if you didn't play,

they felt like you had an issue
with them personally,

like another kid who wanted you to play
and you said, "No, I don't want to play."

They were like, "Oh,"
and they would take it more personally

than just the fact you didn't want to play.

It was mostly students I feel like.

I mean the coaches kind of understood
like it's not for everyone.

It's just kind of like,
everyone would do it

just to do it and have fun
for the few kids

who did actually really want to do it

since there were so few kids.

Bill T.: Did you play at all?

Ashlynn: Mm-hmm), I played for two years.

Bill T.: Freshman and sophomore year?

Ashlynn: No, eighth grade
and freshman year.

Now that there are so few kids that it's
that they're a lot tougher on the kids,

that they want every single person
to play,

because just one kid saying
I don't want to play

makes a difference on whether or not
there's a team of the year.

Bill T.: Have you ever felt personally,
I don't want to say ...

have you ever just felt guilty
about not playing

or have you ever been made
to feel guilty about not playing?

Ashlynn: I did my sophomore year
because I couldn't play

because I injured my shoulder
the year before

during the basketball season and
shouldn't have even finished that season

but since I did, I injured it more and
wasn't able to play again the next year.

Then people just didn't understand that

because they couldn't physically
see something wrong with me

like I wasn't in a cast or something,
so they were like,

"No, you're fine to play,"

and they thought I was just using it
as an excuse not to play.

Yeah, I felt they definitely tried to
like guilt me into playing and they said,

"Oh, even if you just go to practices
and do this,

it's because you don't want to play
in the games or something."

I always enjoyed going
to see everyone play.

It's just basketball wasn't my thing.

Sports have never really
been my thing at all.

I don't know, I enjoyed going
and seeing it,

it's just play, I'm not athletic at all,
it's just embarrassing.

Shyanne W.: I always feel guilted
and pressured into playing

because I played my freshman, sophomore,

and I probably would have played this year
had there been a team,

because everyone is like, "Oh, come on,
you're tall. Play basketball!"

Bill T.: So you're saying the culture
hasn't really changed around

pushing people to play?

Shyanne W.: I mean, in my experience, no.

I don't know, just because it's like
kind of a North Haven thing.

Everybody is super excited
for basketball season

because that's the highlight of
everybody's winter weekends usually.

If there's not a team,

then everybody is not as excited
for things during winter.

Bill T.: Is there a girls' team this year?

Ashlyn:There's not going to be, no.

Bill T.: Not enough girls?

Ashlyn: No, not enough
high school girls, no,

so they're going to do a junior for RC
or something like that instead.

Bill T.: Would you have played
had there been a team?

Ashlyn: No. I don't know,

it will be interesting to see
what actually happens.

Barney H: I think the amazing thing
about this community is

it doesn't matter whether the team
is good or bad,

they come out, they cheer for them,
they applaud every kid.

So in a way, when I look back on it
I think that's probably the best thing.

It isn't that we're going
to have championship teams.

We have a community that supports
the kids doing what they're doing.

Bill T.: Lack of interest in sports

is one of the many hidden diversities
that exists on the small island.

Here's another one
that's becoming less hidden.

The idea for this story came when a friend
at the Historical Society

gave us a photocopied article
from a 1901 issue of The Courier-Gazette,

the newspaper that still serves
Rockland, Maine

and the towns
around our island of North Haven.

Courtney: "Carvers Dual Existence.

Strange case at North Haven
astonishes the world.

Young man who wore female apparel
for 30 years

publishes statement
that he belongs to the opposite sex."

Bill T.: My wife, Courtney,
one of the producers of this show

realized that this story
was a piece of a bigger puzzle.

What is it like to be in the QuiltBag,

an acronym for
non-heterosexual or cisgender identities

in a place as small as North Haven?

Courtney: Arthur Lesley Carver,
the person from the headline

was raised as a woman on North Haven
in the late 1800,

and at 30 issued a sworn affidavit

that he actually was
and always had been a man.

The reason for the duality isn't specified
but the article mentions a nurse

who noticed unusual conditions at his birth.

So it's reasonable to assume
that Arthur was intersex.

Lillian, as he was known, was described
as having a fair complexion

and striking eyes,

and was considered an example

of the fair and buxom
daughters of the island

and had many male suitors.

A religious conversion inspired Arthur
to claim his male identity,

which he did a safe distance from North Haven
in Dorchester, Massachusetts.

It's fascinating and a little terrifying

to think what the reaction back home
must have been.

The Courier describes Carver's fear
of creating a sensation.

I wondered, do contemporary North Haveners
have the same fear?

Jacqueline C.: Chris and I,
just before we came up here

were talking about growing up.

We were best friends
and we did everything together

and I remember when he talked
about coming out

and I was like, "No, no, no."

It was so funny
because now we like look back on it,

and it's like, "Okay, we're both gay."

Jacqueline Curtis, 31.

Chris Emerson: Chris Emerson. I'm 30.

It was pretty clear that I was gay and
I didn't fit into the straight stereotype.

My brother knew as well.

I always, when we played together,
I was always the princess.

Jacqueline C.: I feel like I probably
had an inkling from a really young age

but I didn't really understand
what that meant.

And I think it's actually
when I started to kiss boys

and I didn't have that sort
of butterfly feeling,

I actually got really nervous
and had a lot of anxiety

and I remember feeling like

"Well, this doesn't feel
like I think it should feel."

But as I got a little older,
I was able to kind of kiss boys

and I made myself think that
that was what I wanted it to be.

Once that the relationships developed,

I had obviously more feelings
than just gut feelings,

but it still wasn't always
the right feeling.

Stacy Beverage: My name is Stacy Beverage.

I'm 43 and I've lived on North Haven
basically all my life.

I was born here down at the clinic
and moved away for about 12, 13 years

and lived in Portland.

And now, I'm back.

Stephanie: I'm Stephanie, age 23,

and I've lived on North Haven: basically
my whole life, summered out here,

and then moved out here permanently
in second grade.

Stacy B.: I was actually
married to a man

and we were living out here.

And I just knew
something wasn't totally right

and went and started visiting a friend
in Portland who I was not dating.

She was just a really good friend
from college.

And she had just come out as gay
and suddenly it just sort of clicked that

"oh, that's why things aren't working well
in my relationship."

But I mean, it was all good because
I'm still great friends with my ex-husband

and he was great about it.

And as far as -- I mean,
my family was great about it.

I've never really had
any backlash from it,

which is sort of surprising

because you think, a small island
off the coast of Maine,

maybe they would be really conservative
but everyone's been great.

Tobias McKenzie: I mean, yeah,
my story is kind of anti-climatic too.

I realized pretty early on,
probably like in middle school

and then just kept it to myself

because there wasn't a huge community
of LGBT anything out here.

And so, then I went to college
in Burlington, Vermont

and got to experience
new and different things

and came back here
and recently have come out

and really it's just
nothing interesting I guess.

Courtney: The anti-climax,
as Stephanie put it,

of North Haven's willingness
to accept its out community members

was a pleasant surprise.

The same was true for another
young North Havener who I spoke with.

Tobias McKenzie: I'm Tobias McKenzie
and currently, I'm 26 years old.

I'm a trans male.

I moved to the island
when -- right before my ninth birthday.

I have several other siblings

but I was the oldest kid
in the house growing up.

I grew up with a little brother.

We moved to the island
when my parents retired

and wanted to build their dream house.

I always had a sense
that something was different.

I think one of
the most significant points

was that growing up
I had no idea I was trans

because I had absolutely no way
to understand how I felt inside.

So I predominantly suppressed it.

When I moved to California
and to San Jose at age 20,

I started looking around more
and started to get a clearer picture

of what was going on inside my head.

Growing up, it was always a struggle

because I hated being treated
like a girl and I had no idea why.

Courtney: You were angry a lot.

I had you as a student
and you were often very angry.

Tobias M.: By the time you got there,
yes, I was.

That was related
to a few different things.

But I think the main problem was that
there wasn't a whole lot of diversity

apart from individual personality.

So I had no examples.

I had only ever heard of drag queens,
which I didn't identify with at all.

I appreciated them for who they were
in their craft

but I felt no connection,
so it was no hint to how I felt inside.

I remember when I was 13 or 14,
I looked in the mirror

and I asked myself if
I should have been born a boy.

That was the only time
I'd ever spoken it loud,

and I immediately went

"I am not in the right place to explore
that particular line of thought.

I have no knowledge of it,
no real understanding,"

and so I kind of just pushed it down.

And it wasn't until they told me
what a cisgender person felt like,

and cisgender being someone who feels
like the gender they were born into ...

when someone explained what that was,
I was like, "Oh, that's not me."

And so, that started my more
in-depth investigation

and discovery of what I was going through.

Courtney: When you communicated that
to your family on North Haven,

did they have a reference point?

Tobias M.: Absolutely none whatsoever.

My parents are very loving
and did the very best to be open minded

but it was not something
they were ever ready to hear.

They weren't expecting it at all.

And so I came out to my mother
by telling her

I wanted breast reduction surgery.

And I had a very large chest,
I was double D.

And she being the second gen feminist,
thought wonderful, awesome for your health

and for not wanting to deal with big boobs.

And I said okay, well,
I kind of want them reduced all the way.

And so she said,
"Well, what does that mean?"

And I said, "Mom, I'm transgender.
I'm a male at heart.

I want to get rid of my boobs.
I want to live as a boy."

And I guess that night
she did a lot of research.

Courtney: You were in your 20s then?

Tobias M.: Yes, I had just turned 21
and I was --

I kind of grew my support network
at school

because there were a lot of people
who were involved in the community

and understood what it could be like
to come to terms with something

as obviously life-altering as that.

So I really built up
a base of support there

and then I came out to my mom and dad.

Courtney: So then, as you transitioned,

you came back to the island
during that process.

How was that? What was that like?

Tobias M.: It was funny.

I didn't tell anybody
that I was transitioning.

I told no one from North Haven.

I had a few friends on Facebook,
but mostly I kind of expected

just to do this return and
have everyone go “wait, who are you?”

I had gotten top surgery in early 2011,

and when I went back I had started
taking testosterone

and it had started to kick in, you know,
a few changes here and there.

But apparently, I sent a letter to my mom

and I put Tobias McKenzie
in the "from" column.

And she was asked by a few people
who saw the envelope

who Tobias McKenzie was.

I suppose the idea was

there was a great scandal
of the long lost sibling.

And she was very open about it.

She was always very supportive.

And she told them,
"No, you formerly knew her."

And then -- so when I came out,
the weirdest thing I remember was

I came out and I expected it
to be this huge surprise.

I expected people not to know,

not to have any idea who I was
or what had happened.

And instead, everybody,
everybody knew who I was.

Everybody knew my then chosen
now legal name, Tobias.

And the hilarious thing was,

no one called me by my old name
or by female pronouns

and this is when my parents
couldn't keep track of it.

They were using my old name,
they were using female pronouns.

And that was really weird
to deal with at home

and then walk out in public
and everyone was getting it right

It was just ... it was really funny.

Courtney: Yeah.

So it's been okay coming back
to this place where you felt like

you had no reference points

and now you are maybe
a reference point for somebody?

Tobias M.: Oh, absolutely.

It's strange but I feel like
for the most part, people decided:

"Oh, so that's why
you were a bit different."

Courtney: Tobias' point
about that lack of a community,

a reference point on North Haven

was something each person
we spoke with mentioned.

Sue Campbell: Out as I want to be
is a nonprofit based in Rockland, Maine.

Courtney: I spoke with Sue Campbell --

Sue Campbell: My name is Sue Campbell

Courtney: -- whose organization
now called OUT Maine

seeks to provide that community

for the isolated QuiltBag youth
of mid-coast Maine.

Sue C.: I think growing up LGBTQ
anywhere is a challenge.

I think when you add in
the rural factor,

it adds a whole n’other layer.

Society sets certain norms
and in a small rural environment,

those norms are probably
even more stringent

and people don't understand diversity
because they've never seen diversity.

There are percentages somewhere
in the neighborhood of about 5%

are the numbers that are reported
here in Maine.

We know that those are low.

So if you look at your population,
you can assume that

about 5% of those folks are going to be
LGBTQ in some way, shape, or form.

When I first started doing this work
about a year ago,

we had three out of the nine mainland
high schools with GSTAs, we now have --

Courtney: GSTA stands for
Gay/Straight/Transgender Alliance.

Groups like this provide community support
and advocacy for students

who identify within the spectrum
or want to be allies.

North Haven Community School
has had a very small GSTA since 2015.

Sue C.: -- you know,lesbian or gay or,
we're seeing a lot more of the students

that are coming out as transgender as well.

I think at a lot of these small communities
you see people who --

they know people as individuals
so they accept them very easily.

But when you suddenly are thinking
of things outside of that,

it is when it becomes
much more challenging.

Courtney: What are
some of the risk factors

that affect LTBTQ youth in a rural area?

Sue C.: Well, isolation
is one of the biggest ones.

We see a lot of youth
that are not accepted by their families,

they're not accepted by their communities,

so they become homeless.

Very quickly, the homeless population
here is very high.

They have a much higher
suicide ideation rates than their peers.

And so it is a very tough population
to work with

because they are of much higher risk
of harming themselves, or being homeless,

and not getting the necessary supports.

Courtney: What kind of resources
do you think would be most helpful

for students on North Haven

who think that they might be
on the LGBTQ spectrum

or want to be allies?

Sue C.: I think the biggest thing

that community members here on North Haven
or the schools could do

is to allow the students to know that
they're open and welcoming and accepting,

and that there are safe people
and safe spaces.

If the youth feel
that they can't be safe,

then they're not going to be willing
to tell anyone

that they may be experiencing feelings,

whether that is feelings
of sexual identity or gender identity.

If they don't feel like they can be safe
then they're not going to come out.

So, creating inclusive
and welcoming communities

is probably the biggest thing
that you can do.

If you have students
that do come forward,

then it's providing
the appropriate supports to them,

but always leaning
to the open and understanding

of wherever it is that they are at the time.

Courtney: What do you think that

LGBTQ adults in a community like this
can offer to the youth?

Sue C.: They can be role models.

If you can be open about who you are

and present a good, strong
role model for students,

regardless of what your experiences
might have been,

one would hope that LGBTQ adults
would want perhaps the experiences

that youth would have to be different

than what they may have experienced
when they were young.

Bill T.: North Haven's population
reflects a growing diversity

in religious identity, sexuality,
gender identity, and race.

And for the most part,

while people within those groups
might feel a little isolated,

their presence is welcomed and embraced.

But in 2015, Courtney and I went
to Brooklyn, New York

to speak with someone who had
a very different experience on North Haven

several decades ago.

Pete Beveridge: Pete Beveridge,
age, I'm 85.

Bill T.: Pete Beveridge is part
of a huge North Haven clan

with members in the summer community
and year-round community.

Historically, the family
spent summers on North Haven

in their compound called The Colony,

which is just down the road
from where I live.

Pete wrote about his family's history
in a recent book also called The Colony,

which he said he wrote as a way
of healing a rift in his family

described in his first book,
Domestic Diversity.

He told us his story as we sat
in his Brooklyn apartment.

Pete B.: -- a good friend,
Peter Cooper, he invited me

to a party being given up in Harlem

at the home of my future wife, Hortense,

or Tee as we called her,
was an African-American

in the sense that Barack Obama is.

She had a father who was born in Africa,
in Liberia.

Her mother was an Afro- American
from Virginia.

Courtney: What year was that?

Pete Beveridge:'52, '53.

Bill T.: So, let's back up a little bit.

Pete talks about meeting,
falling in love with

and eventually marrying Tee,
an African-American woman in 1952.

Pete's story
before and after this point

is pretty fascinating.

Pete B.: Well, my political awakening,
if you would call it such,

has actually started with my senior year
in high school

when I became involved
in the progressive party,

which is a third party that was started
by Henry Wallace at that time.

He ran against Truman in 1948.

When I went to college,

I became the president
of the Young Progressives at Harvard.

So my politics, my left-wing politics
when I was at school

didn't sit too well with my family,

but for the most part,
we just agreed not to talk politics

when we were together.

It didn't really affect
my relationship at that time.

Bill T.: Pete goes on
to describe

one of his first true loves,
a Jewish girl named Dorothy.

He mentions the amount
of anti-Semitism

that existed at the time,
not just politically

but within his own family as well.

Pete B.: I had to stay up
until I was maybe 16 or 17.

I really wasn't aware of the fact
that they were "different" from me.

They were just myclassmates.

But it was actually several years later
that my mother wrote me a letter

explaining, just after I broke up
with Dorothy,

explaining how relieved she was.

I'm not sure exactly how the quote went,
what it was.

And I don't think that I am anti-Semitic

because it's not that Dorothy
had the characteristics of Jewish people

that we didn't like her.

It was because I never felt

that she was completely open
and forthcoming with me.

Bill T.: Although the relationship
didn't last very long with Dorothy,

it drove a surprising wedge
between Pete and his family,

and that wedge would be driven
further by subsequent events.

Pete B: I had joined the Communist Party
when I was at Harvard,

and upon graduating,
I decided to continue my education

at Columbia where I went
the following year to get an MA.

And I made that decision mainly because
the Korean war was going on at that time,

and I was draft bait,

and if I had left school
I would have been drafted.

Courtney: You and Tee began dating

and when did you introduce her
to your family?

Pete B.: She had an apartment
on 125th Street,

which she shared with another couple.

By the end of the semester at Columbia,
I had moved in with her.

That was the spring of '53.

And our period of courtship, if you will,
coincided with the period

when Ethel and Julius Rosenberg
were being tried and convicted

and eventually executed.

And that was a very traumatic point
for people in the party

and in the left wing at that time,

because it was sort of a feeling that
if this could happen to them,

it could happen to us.

So Tee and I spent a lot of weekends
traveling down to Washington

to picket the White House

and demonstrate
to save the Rosenbergs.

On several of those occasions,
I stayed with my parents

who were living in Alexandria
at the time,

and brought Tee out
to introduce her to them.

A year or two later
when I married Tee,

my mother said to me:

"Well, you know, the first time
you brought Tee out here,

I knew what was going to happen."

My father and mother were conflicted
in ... during their

or I should say liberal inclinations
to accept my relationship

and an extreme reaction

on the part of my father's siblings,
my aunts, and uncles.

When Tee and I decided
to get married in 1953,

we told my parents

and sent out notice
to my uncles and aunts.

And we started receiving letters
from my relatives

who never wrote to me before
explaining why I shouldn't marry Tee.

My uncle Arnold, my father's brother,
who was a business man

and had more money
than the rest of the family

was paying the taxes on the property
that the family owned.

And he threatened that
if I brought Tee to The Colony,

he would pull out and stop,
withdraw his financial support.

This was pretty important
at that time.

So I decided not to push
the confrontation

and stay away from The Colony
with Tee.

After I married Tee in 1953,

there was a period of about 20 years
when I didn't go back to North Haven.

I had very little relationship
with my cousins or my aunts and uncles.

As a result, there is a big gap
in my family relationships.

There's a whole period of time

when I didn't know
or didn't relate to my family.

This going on top of my childhood

where it was a very large
and closely knit family,

it was very hurtful
and made me very sorrowful

because I loved North Haven
and I loved my family.

Bill T.: It wasn't until the 1970s

that Pete was able to return
to North Haven and The Colony with Tee.

But in the 1980s they separated.

Pete continues to visit the island
to this day

and we've enjoyed some nice visits
with him and his family.

Any community large or small
benefits from all kinds of diversity.

Here's Sue Campbell again.

Sue C.: Oh, it adds all sorts
of really interesting things.

People get to experience things
that are very different

than what they grew up with
or what they know,

and it broadens their horizons

and really opens their eyes
to other things

that are different in other places.

Bill T.: Special thanks to
Avery Waterman, Harold Cooper,

John Emerson, Barney Hallowell,
Janice Jones, Jake Greenlaw,

Eva Hopkins, Ashlynn Ames,
Shyanne Waterman,

Nan Lee and Emily Greenlaw
at the Historical Society,

Jacqueline Curtis, Chis Emerson,
Stacy Beverage, Stephanie Brown,

Tobias McKenzie, Sue Campbell,
and of course Pete Beveridge.

Both Pete's books,
Domestic Diversity and The Colony

can be purchased at
northhavenmainehistoricalsociety.org.

12 KNOTS is written and produced
right here on the island of North Haven

by me and my wife Courtney Naliboff.

Music is composed and performed
by yours truly.

Thanks for listening.

Transcript used in the subtitles was made
possible by a Grant from CCACaptioning.org