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The coming crisis in antibiotics

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    The first patient to be treated with an antibiotic
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    was a policeman from Oxford.
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    On his day off from work,
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    he was scratched by a rose thorn
    while working in the garden.
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    That small scratch became infected.
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    Over the next few days, his head was swollen
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    with abscesses,
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    and in fact his eye was so infected
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    that they had to take it out,
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    and by February of 1941,
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    this poor man was on the verge of dying.
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    He was at Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford,
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    and fortunately for him,
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    a small team of doctors
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    led by a Dr. Howard Florey
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    had managed to synthesize
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    a very small amount of penicillin,
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    a drug that had been discovered
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    12 years before by Alexander Fleming
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    but had never actually been used to treat a human,
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    and indeed no one even knew if the drug would work,
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    if it was full of impurities that would kill the patient,
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    but Florey and his team figured
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    if they had to use it, they might as well use it
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    on someone who was going to die anyway.
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    So they gave Albert Alexander,
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    this Oxford policeman, the drug,
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    and within 24 hours,
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    he started getting better.
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    His fever went down, his appetite came back.
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    Secondly, he was doing much better.
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    He was starting to run out of penicillin,
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    so what they would do was run with his urine
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    across the road to re-synthesize the penicillin
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    from his urine and give it back to him,
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    and that worked.
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    Day four, well on the way to recovery.
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    This was a miracle.
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    Day five, they ran out of penicillin,
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    and the poor man died.
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    So that story didn't end that well,
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    but fortunately for millions of other people
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    like this child who was treated again
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    in the early 1940s,
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    who was again dying of abscesses,
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    and within just six days, you can see,
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    recovered thanks to this wonder drug penicillin.
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    Millions have lived,
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    and global health has been transformed.
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    Now, antibiotics have been used
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    for patients like this,
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    but they've also been used rather frivolously
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    in some instances
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    for treating someone with just a cold or the flu
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    which they might not have responded to an antibiotic,
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    and they've also been used in large quantities
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    sub-therapeutically, which
    means in small concentrations,
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    to make chicken and hogs grow faster.
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    Just to save a few pennies on the price of meat,
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    we've spent a lot of antibiotics on animals,
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    not for treatment, not for sick animals,
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    but primarily for growth promotion.
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    Now, what did that lead us to?
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    Basically, the massive use of antibiotics
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    around the world
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    has imposed such large
    selection pressure on bacteria
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    that resistance is now a problem,
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    because we've now selected for just
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    the resistant bacteria.
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    And I'm sure you've all read
    about this in the newspapers,
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    you've seen this in every magazine
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    that you come across,
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    but I really want you to appreciate
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    the significance of this problem.
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    This is serious.
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    The next slide I'm about to show you
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    is of carbapenum resistance in acinetobacter.
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    Acinetobacter is a nasty hospital bug,
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    and carbapenum is pretty much
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    the strongest class of antibiotics
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    that we can throw at this bug.
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    And you can see in 1999,
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    this is the pattern of resistance,
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    mostly under about 10 percent
    across the United States.
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    Now watch what happens when we play the video.
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    So I don't know where you live,
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    but wherever it is, it certainly is a lot worse now
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    than it was in 1999,
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    and that is the problem of antibiotic resistance.
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    It's a global issue
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    affecting both rich and poor countries,
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    and at the heart of it, you might say, well,
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    isn't this really just a medical issue?
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    If we taught doctors of how
    not to use antibiotics as much,
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    if we taught patients how not to demand antibiotics,
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    perhaps this really wouldn't be an issue,
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    and maybe the pharmaceutical companies
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    should be working harder to develop
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    more antibiotics.
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    Now, it turns out that there's something
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    fundamental about antibiotics
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    which make it different from other drugs,
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    which is that if I misuse antibiotics
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    or I use antibiotics,
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    not only am I affected but others are affected as well,
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    in the same as if I choose to drive to work
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    or take a plane to go somewhere,
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    that the costs I impose on others
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    through global climate change go everywhere,
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    and I don't necessarily take
    these costs into consideration.
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    This is what economists might call
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    a problem of the commons,
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    and the problem of the commons is exactly
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    what we face in the case of antibiotics as well;
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    that we don't consider,
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    and we, including individuals, patients,
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    hospitals, entire health systems,
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    do not consider the costs that they impose on others
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    by the way antibiotics are actually used.
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    Now, that's a problem that's similar
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    to another area that we all know about,
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    which is of fuel use, and energy,
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    and of course energy use
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    both depletes energy as well as
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    leads to local pollution and climate change.
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    And typically, in the case of energy,
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    there are two ways in which
    you can deal with the problem.
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    One is, we can make better
    use of the oil that we have,
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    and that's analogous to making better use
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    of existing antibiotics,
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    and we can do this in a number of ways
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    that we'll talk about in a second,
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    but the other option is the "drill, baby, drill" option,
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    which in the case of antibiotics
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    is to go find new antibiotics.
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    Now, these are not separate.
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    They're related, because if we invest heavily
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    in new oil wells,
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    we reduce the incentives for conservation of oil
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    in the same way that's going to happen for antibiotics.
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    The reverse is also going to happen, which is that
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    if we use our antibiotics appropriately,
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    we don't necessarily have to make the investments
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    in new drug development.
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    And if you thought that these two were entirely,
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    fully balanced between these two options,
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    you might consider the fact that
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    this is really a game that we're playing.
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    The game is really one of coevolution,
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    and coevolution is, in this particular picture,
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    between cheetahs and gazelles.
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    Cheetahs have evolved to run faster,
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    because if they didn't run faster,
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    they wouldn't get any lunch.
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    Gazelles have evolved to run faster because
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    if they don't run faster, they would be lunch.
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    Now, this is the game we're
    playing against the bacteria,
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    except we're not the cheetahs,
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    we're the gazelles,
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    and the bacteria would,
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    just in the course of this little talk,
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    would have had kids and grandkids
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    and figured out how to be resistant
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    just by selection and trial and error,
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    trying it over and over again.
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    Whereas how do we stay ahead of the bacteria?
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    We have drug discovery processes,
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    screening molecules,
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    we have clinical trials,
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    and then, when we think we have a drug,
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    then we have the FDA regulatory process.
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    And once we go through all of that,
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    then we try to stay one step ahead
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    of the bacteria.
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    Now, this is clearly not a game that can be sustained,
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    or one that we can win
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    by simply innovating to stay ahead.
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    We've got to slow the pace of coevolution down,
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    and there are ideas that we can borrow from energy
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    that are helpful in thinking about
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    how we might want to do this in the case
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    of antibiotics as well.
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    Now, if you think about how we deal with
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    energy pricing, for instance,
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    we consider emissions taxes,
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    which means we're imposing the costs of pollution
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    on people who actually use that energy.
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    We might consider doing that for antibiotics as well,
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    and perhaps that would make sure that antibiotics
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    actually get used appropriately.
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    There are clean energy subsidies,
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    which are to switch to fuels
    which don't pollute as much
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    or perhaps don't need fossil fuels.
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    Now, the analogy here is perhaps we need
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    to move away from using antibiotics,
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    and if you think about it,
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    what are good substitutes for antibiotics?
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    Well, turns out that anything that reduces
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    the need for the antibiotic would really work,
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    so that could include improving
    hospital infection control
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    or vaccinating people,
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    particularly against the seasonal influenza,
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    and the seasonal flu is probably
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    the biggest driver of antibiotic use,
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    both in this country as well
    as in many other countries,
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    and that would really help.
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    A third option might include
    something like tradeable permits,
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    which are, we actually,
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    and these seem like faraway scenarios,
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    but if you consider the fact that we might not
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    have antibiotics for many people who have infections,
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    we might consider the fact that we might
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    want to allocate who actually gets to use
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    some of these antibiotics over others,
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    and some of these might have to
    be on the basis of clinical need,
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    but also on the basis of pricing.
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    And certainly consumer education works.
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    Very often, people overuse antibiotics
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    or prescribe too much without necessarily
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    knowing that they do so,
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    and feedback mechanisms
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    have been found to be useful,
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    both on energy —
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    When you tell someone that they're using
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    a lot of energy during peak hour,
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    they tend to cut back,
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    and the same sort of example has been performed
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    even in the case of antibiotics.
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    A hospital in St. Louis basically would put up
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    on a chart the names of surgeons
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    in the ordering of how much antibiotics they'd used
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    in the previous month,
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    and this was purely an informational feedback,
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    there was no shaming,
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    but essentially that provided some information back
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    to surgeons that maybe they could rethink
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    how they were using antibiotics.
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    Now, there's a lot that can be done
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    on the supply side as well.
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    If you look at the price of penicillin,
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    the cost per day is about 10 cents.
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    It's a fairly cheap drug.
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    If you take drugs that have
    been introduced since then
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    — linezolid or daptomycin —
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    those are significantly more expensive,
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    so to a world that has been used
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    to paying 10 cents a day for antibiotics,
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    the idea of paying 180 dollars per day
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    seems like a lot.
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    But what is that really telling us?
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    That price is telling us
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    that we should no longer
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    take cheap, effective antibiotics as a given
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    into the foreseeable future,
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    and that price is a signal to us
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    that perhaps we need to be paying
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    much more attention to conservation.
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    That price is also a signal
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    that maybe we need to start
    looking at other technologies,
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    in the same way that gasoline prices are a signal
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    and an impetus, to, say,
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    the development of electric cars.
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    Prices are important signals
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    that we need to pay attention to,
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    but we also need to consider the fact that
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    although these high prices
    seem unusual for antibiotics,
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    they're nothing compared to the price per day
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    of some cancer drugs,
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    which might save a patient's life only
    for a few months or perhaps a year,
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    whereas antibiotics would potentially
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    save a patient's life forever.
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    So this is going to involve
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    a whole new paradigm shift,
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    and it's also a scary shift because
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    in many parts of this country,
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    in many parts of the world,
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    the idea of paying 200 dollars
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    for a day of antibiotic treatment
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    is simply unimaginable.
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    So we need to think about that.
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    Now, there are backstop options,
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    which is other alternative technologies
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    that people are working on.
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    It includes bacteriophages, probiotics,
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    quorum sensing, synbiotics.
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    Now, all of these are useful avenues to pursue,
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    and they will become even more lucrative
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    when the price of new antibiotics starts going higher,
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    and we've seen that the
    market does actually respond,
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    and the government is now considering
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    ways of subsidizing new antibiotics and development.
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    But there are challenges here.
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    We don't want to just throw money at a problem.
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    What we want to be able to do
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    is invest in new antibiotics
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    in ways that actually encourage
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    appropriate use and sales of those antibiotics,
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    and that really is the challenge here.
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    Now, going back to these technologies,
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    you all remember the line from that famous
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    dinosaur film, "Nature will find a way."
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    So it's not as if these are permanent solutions.
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    We really have to remember that,
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    whatever the technology might be,
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    that nature will find some way to work around it.
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    You might, well, this is just a problem
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    just with antibiotics and with bacteria,
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    but it turns out that we have the exact same
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    identical problem in many other fields as well,
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    with multi-drug resistant tuberculosis,
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    which is a serious problem in India and South Africa.
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    Thousands of patients are dying because
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    the second line drugs are so expensive,
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    and in some instances, even those don't work
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    and you have XDR TB.
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    Viruses are become resistant.
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    Agricultural pests. Malaria parasites.
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    Right now, much of the world depends on
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    one drug, artemisinin drugs,
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    essentially to treat malaria.
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    Resistance to artemisinin has already emerged,
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    and if this were to become widespread,
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    that puts at risk
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    the single drug that we have to treat malaria
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    around the world
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    in a way that's currently safe an efficacious.
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    Mosquitoes develop resistance.
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    If you have kids, you probably know about head lice,
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    and if you're from New York City, I understand that
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    the specialty there is bedbugs.
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    So those are also resistant.
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    And we have to bring an
    example from across the pond.
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    Turns out that rats are also resistant to poisons.
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    Now, what's common to all of these things is
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    the idea that we've had these technologies
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    to control nature only for the last 70, 80,
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    or a hundred years,
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    and essentially in a blink,
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    we have squandered our ability to control,
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    because we have not recognized
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    that natural selection and evolution was going to find
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    a way to get back,
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    and we need to completely rethink
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    how we're going to use
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    measures to control biological organisms,
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    and rethink how we incentivize
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    the development, introduction,
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    in the case of antibiotics prescription,
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    and use of these valuable resources.
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    And we really now need to start thinking about them
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    as natural resources.
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    And so that's, we stand at a crossroads.
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    An option is to go through that rethinking
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    and carefully consider incentives
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    to change how we do business.
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    The alternative is
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    a world in which even a blade of grass
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    is a potentially lethal weapon.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
The coming crisis in antibiotics
Speaker:
Ramanan Laxminarayan
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Video Language:
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Duration:
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