HIV -- how to fight an epidemic of bad laws
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0:00 - 0:04Let's begin with a story.
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0:04 - 0:06Once upon a time --
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0:06 - 0:09well actually less than two years ago --
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0:09 - 0:12in a kingdom not so very far away,
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0:12 - 0:14there was a man
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0:14 - 0:16who traveled many miles
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0:16 - 0:20to come to work at the jewel in the kingdom's crown --
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0:20 - 0:22an internationally famous company.
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0:22 - 0:25Let's call it Island Networks.
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0:25 - 0:28Now this kingdom had many resources
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0:28 - 0:30and mighty ambitions,
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0:30 - 0:33but the one thing it lacked was people.
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0:33 - 0:36And so it invited workers from around the world
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0:36 - 0:39to come and help it build the nation.
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0:39 - 0:42But in order to enter and to stay
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0:42 - 0:45these migrants had to pass a few tests.
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0:45 - 0:48And so it was, our man presented himself
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0:48 - 0:50to authorities in the kingdom,
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0:50 - 0:53looking forward to settling into his new life.
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0:53 - 0:56But then something unexpected happened.
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0:56 - 1:00The medical personnel who took blood samples from the man
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1:00 - 1:03never actually told him what they were testing for.
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1:03 - 1:08He wasn't offered counseling before or after the test,
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1:08 - 1:10which is best medical practice.
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1:10 - 1:13He was never informed of the results of the test.
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1:13 - 1:15And yet, a couple of weeks later,
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1:15 - 1:18he was picked up and taken to prison
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1:18 - 1:21where he was subjected to a medical exam,
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1:21 - 1:24including a full-body search
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1:24 - 1:27in full view of the others in the cell.
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1:27 - 1:31He was released, but then a day or two later,
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1:31 - 1:36he was taken to the airport and he was deported.
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1:36 - 1:39What on earth did this man do
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1:39 - 1:41to merit this treatment?
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1:41 - 1:44What was his terrible crime?
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1:44 - 1:48He was infected with HIV.
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1:48 - 1:51Now the kingdom is one of about 50 countries
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1:51 - 1:55that imposes restrictions on the entry or stay
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1:55 - 1:58of people living with HIV.
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1:58 - 1:59The kingdom argues
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1:59 - 2:04that its laws allow it to detain or deport foreigners
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2:04 - 2:07who pose a risk to the economy
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2:07 - 2:11or the security or the public health
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2:11 - 2:13or the morals of the state.
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2:13 - 2:16But these laws, when applied to people living with HIV,
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2:16 - 2:20are a violation of international human rights agreements
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2:20 - 2:23to which these countries are signatories.
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2:23 - 2:24But you know what?
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2:24 - 2:26Matters of principle aside,
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2:26 - 2:31practically speaking, these laws drive HIV underground.
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2:31 - 2:33People are less likely to come forth
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2:33 - 2:37to be tested or treated or to disclose their condition,
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2:37 - 2:40none of which helps these individuals
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2:40 - 2:44or the communities these laws purport to protect.
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2:44 - 2:48Today we can prevent the transmission of HIV.
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2:48 - 2:52And with treatment, it is a manageable condition.
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2:52 - 2:55We are very far from the days
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2:55 - 2:58when the only practical response to dread disease
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2:58 - 3:00was to have banished the afflicted --
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3:00 - 3:03like this, "The Exile of the Leper."
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3:03 - 3:07So you tell me why, in our age of science,
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3:07 - 3:09we still have laws and policies
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3:09 - 3:12which come from an age of superstition.
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3:12 - 3:16Time for a quick show of hands.
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3:16 - 3:19Who here has been touched by HIV --
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3:19 - 3:22either because you yourself have the virus
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3:22 - 3:26or you have a family member or a friend or a colleague
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3:26 - 3:28who is living with HIV?
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3:28 - 3:29Hands up.
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3:29 - 3:31Wow. Wow.
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3:31 - 3:34That's a significant number of us.
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3:34 - 3:36You know better than anyone
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3:36 - 3:38that HIV brings out
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3:38 - 3:42the best and the worst in humanity.
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3:42 - 3:45And the laws reflect these attitudes.
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3:45 - 3:47I'm not just talking about laws on the books,
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3:47 - 3:51but laws as they are enforced on the streets
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3:51 - 3:54and laws as they are decided in the courts.
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3:54 - 3:56And I'm not just talking about laws
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3:56 - 3:59as they relate to people living with HIV,
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3:59 - 4:02but people who are at greatest risk of infection --
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4:02 - 4:06people such as those who inject drugs or sex workers
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4:06 - 4:08or men who have sex with men
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4:08 - 4:10or transgendered persons
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4:10 - 4:12or migrants or prisoners.
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4:12 - 4:16And in many parts of the world that includes women and children
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4:16 - 4:18who are especially vulnerable.
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4:18 - 4:20Now there are laws in many parts of the world
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4:20 - 4:24which reflect the best of human nature.
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4:24 - 4:27These laws treat people touched by HIV
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4:27 - 4:30with compassion and acceptance.
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4:30 - 4:33These laws respect universal human rights
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4:33 - 4:36and they are grounded in evidence.
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4:36 - 4:39These laws ensure that people living with HIV
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4:39 - 4:41and those at greatest risk
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4:41 - 4:45are protected from violence and discrimination
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4:45 - 4:49and that they get access to prevention and to treatment.
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4:49 - 4:52Unfortunately, these good laws
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4:52 - 4:54are counter-balanced by a mass
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4:54 - 4:57of really bad law --
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4:57 - 5:02law which is grounded in moral judgement
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5:02 - 5:04and in fear and in misinformation,
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5:04 - 5:09laws which specifically punish people living with HIV
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5:09 - 5:10or those at greatest risk.
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5:10 - 5:13These laws fly in the face of science,
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5:13 - 5:16and they are grounded in prejudice
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5:16 - 5:20and in ignorance and in a rewriting of tradition
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5:20 - 5:23and a selective reading of religion.
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5:23 - 5:26But you know what? You don't have to take my word for it.
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5:26 - 5:28We're going to hear from two people
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5:28 - 5:30who are on the sharp end of the law.
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5:30 - 5:33The first is Nick Rhoades. He's an American.
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5:33 - 5:37And he was convicted under the U.S. State of Iowa's law
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5:37 - 5:39on HIV transmission and exposure --
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5:39 - 5:43neither of which offense he actually committed.
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5:43 - 5:46(Video) Nick Rhoades: If something is against the law
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5:46 - 5:47then that is telling society
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5:47 - 5:50that is unacceptable, that's bad behavior.
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5:50 - 5:52And I think the severity of that punishment
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5:52 - 5:56tells you how bad you are as a person.
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5:56 - 5:59You're a class B felon,
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5:59 - 6:01lifetime sex offender.
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6:01 - 6:05You are a very, very, very bad person.
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6:05 - 6:09And you did a very, very, very bad thing.
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6:09 - 6:11And so that's just programmed into you.
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6:11 - 6:15And you go through the correctional system
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6:15 - 6:16and everyone's telling you the same thing.
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6:16 - 6:21And you're just like, I'm a very bad person.
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6:21 - 6:23Shereen El-Feki: It's not just a question
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6:23 - 6:26of unfair or ineffective laws.
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6:26 - 6:29Some countries have good laws,
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6:29 - 6:31laws which could stem the tide of HIV.
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6:31 - 6:34The problem is that these laws are flouted.
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6:34 - 6:37Because stigma gives unofficial license
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6:37 - 6:40to treat people living with HIV
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6:40 - 6:41or those at greatest risk
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6:41 - 6:43unlike other citizens.
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6:43 - 6:45And this is exactly what happened
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6:45 - 6:48to Helma and Dongo from Namibia.
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6:48 - 6:50(Video) Hilma: I found out
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6:50 - 6:53when I went to the hospital for a pregnancy check-up.
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6:53 - 6:57The nurse announced that every pregnant woman
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6:57 - 6:59must also be tested for HIV that day.
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6:59 - 7:02I took the test and the result showed I was positive.
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7:02 - 7:04That's the day I found out.
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7:04 - 7:07The nurse said to me, "Why should you people bcome pregnant
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7:07 - 7:08when you know you are HIV positive?
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7:08 - 7:11Why are you pregnant when you are living positive?"
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7:11 - 7:14I am sure now that is the reason they sterilized me.
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7:14 - 7:19Because I am HIV positive.
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7:19 - 7:22They didn't give the forms to me
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7:22 - 7:26or explain what was in the form.
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7:26 - 7:28The nurse just came with it
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7:28 - 7:30already marked where I had to sign.
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7:30 - 7:32And with the labor pain,
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7:32 - 7:39I didn't have the strength to ask them to read it to me.
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7:39 - 7:42I just signed.
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7:42 - 7:45SE: Hilma and Nick and our man in the kingdom
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7:45 - 7:49are among the 34 million people living with HIV
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7:49 - 7:51according to recent estimates.
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7:51 - 7:53They're the lucky ones
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7:53 - 7:55because they're still alive.
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7:55 - 7:57According to those same estimates,
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7:57 - 8:01in 2010 1.8 million people died
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8:01 - 8:03of AIDS related causes.
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8:03 - 8:07These are terrible and tragic figures.
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8:07 - 8:11But if we look a little more broadly into the statistics,
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8:11 - 8:14we actually see some reason for hope.
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8:14 - 8:20Looking globally, the number of new infections of HIV is declining.
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8:20 - 8:22And looking globally as well,
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8:22 - 8:25deaths are also starting to fall.
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8:25 - 8:28There are many reasons for these positive developments,
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8:28 - 8:30but one of the most remarkable
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8:30 - 8:33is in the increase in the number of people around the world
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8:33 - 8:35on anti-retroviral therapy,
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8:35 - 8:39the medicines they need to keep their HIV in check.
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8:39 - 8:41Now there are still many problems.
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8:41 - 8:45Only about half of the people who need treatment
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8:45 - 8:47are currently receiving it.
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8:47 - 8:49In some parts of the world --
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8:49 - 8:51like here in the Middle East and North Africa --
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8:51 - 8:54new infections are rising and so are deaths.
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8:54 - 8:57And the money, the money we need
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8:57 - 8:59for the global response to HIV,
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8:59 - 9:02that is shrinking.
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9:02 - 9:05But for the first time
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9:05 - 9:08in three decades into this epidemic
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9:08 - 9:12we have a real chance to come to grips with HIV.
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9:12 - 9:14But in order to do that
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9:14 - 9:18we need to tackle an epidemic of really bad law.
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9:18 - 9:20It's for this reason
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9:20 - 9:22that the Global Commission on HIV and the Law,
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9:22 - 9:23of which I'm a member,
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9:23 - 9:26was established by the agencies of the United Nations --
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9:26 - 9:29to look at the ways that legal environments
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9:29 - 9:31are affecting people living with HIV
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9:31 - 9:33and those at greatest risk,
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9:33 - 9:35and to recommend what should be done
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9:35 - 9:38to make the law an ally, not an enemy,
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9:38 - 9:41of the global response to HIV.
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9:41 - 9:43Let me give you just one example
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9:43 - 9:46of the way a legal environment
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9:46 - 9:48can make a positive difference.
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9:48 - 9:51People who inject drugs
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9:51 - 9:53are one of those groups I mentioned.
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9:53 - 9:55They're at high risk of HIV
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9:55 - 9:57through contaminated injection equipment
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9:57 - 9:59and other risk-related behaviors.
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9:59 - 10:03In fact, one in every 10 new infections of HIV
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10:03 - 10:06is among people who inject drugs.
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10:06 - 10:08Now drug use or possession
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10:08 - 10:11is illegal in almost every country.
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10:11 - 10:15But some countries take a harder line on this than others.
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10:15 - 10:17In Thailand people who use drugs,
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10:17 - 10:20or are merely suspected of using drugs,
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10:20 - 10:22are placed in detention centers,
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10:22 - 10:24like the one you see here,
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10:24 - 10:26where they are supposed to clean up.
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10:26 - 10:29There is absolutely no evidence
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10:29 - 10:32to show that throwing people into detention
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10:32 - 10:34cures their drug dependence.
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10:34 - 10:36There is, however, ample evidence
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10:36 - 10:38to show that incarcerating people
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10:38 - 10:44increases their risk of HIV and other infections.
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10:44 - 10:49We know how to reduce HIV transmission and other risks
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10:49 - 10:51in people who inject drugs.
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10:51 - 10:53It's called harm reduction,
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10:53 - 10:55and it involves, among other things,
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10:55 - 10:58providing clean needles and syringes,
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10:58 - 11:01offering opioid substitution therapy
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11:01 - 11:03and other evidence-based treatments
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11:03 - 11:06to reduce drug dependence.
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11:06 - 11:08It involves providing information
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11:08 - 11:10and education and condoms
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11:10 - 11:13to reduce HIV transmission,
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11:13 - 11:16and also providing HIV testing
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11:16 - 11:18and counseling and treatment
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11:18 - 11:19should people become infected.
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11:19 - 11:23Where the legal environment allows for harm reduction
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11:23 - 11:25the results are striking.
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11:25 - 11:27Australia and Switzerland
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11:27 - 11:30were two countries which introduced harm reduction
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11:30 - 11:32very early on in their HIV epidemics,
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11:32 - 11:35and they have a very low rate of HIV
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11:35 - 11:37among injecting drug users.
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11:37 - 11:40The U.S. and Malaysia
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11:40 - 11:42came to harm reduction a little later,
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11:42 - 11:46and they have higher rates of HIV in these populations.
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11:46 - 11:48Thailand and Russia, however,
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11:48 - 11:50have resisted harm reduction
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11:50 - 11:52and have stringent laws
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11:52 - 11:53which punish drug use.
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11:53 - 11:55And hey, surprise,
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11:55 - 12:00very high rates of HIV among people who are injecting drugs.
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12:00 - 12:03At the Global Commission we have studied the evidence,
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12:03 - 12:05and we've heard the experiences
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12:05 - 12:09of over 700 people from 140 countries.
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12:09 - 12:11And the trend? Well the trend is clear.
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12:11 - 12:15Where you criminalize people living with HIV
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12:15 - 12:16or those at greatest risk,
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12:16 - 12:19you fuel the epidemic.
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12:19 - 12:23Now coming up with a vaccine for HIV
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12:23 - 12:24or a cure for AIDS --
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12:24 - 12:27now that's rocket science.
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12:27 - 12:28But changing the law isn't.
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12:28 - 12:31And in fact, a number of countries are starting to make progress
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12:31 - 12:33on a number of points.
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12:33 - 12:37To begin, countries need to review their legislation
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12:37 - 12:40as it touches HIV and vulnerable groups.
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12:40 - 12:42On the back of those reviews,
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12:42 - 12:44governments should repeal laws
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12:44 - 12:48that punish or discriminate against people living with HIV
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12:48 - 12:50or those at greatest risk.
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12:50 - 12:52Repealing a law isn't easy,
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12:52 - 12:54and it's particularly difficult
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12:54 - 12:58when it relates to touchy subjects like drugs and sex.
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12:58 - 13:02But there's plenty you can do while that process is underway.
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13:02 - 13:06One of the key points is to reform the police
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13:06 - 13:09so that they have better practices on the ground.
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13:09 - 13:11So for example, outreach workers
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13:11 - 13:14who are distributing condoms to vulnerable populations
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13:14 - 13:17are not themselves subject to police harassment
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13:17 - 13:20or abuse or arbitrary arrest.
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13:20 - 13:21We can also train judges
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13:21 - 13:25so that they find flexibilities in the law
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13:25 - 13:28and so that they rule on the side of tolerance
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13:28 - 13:30rather than prejudice.
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13:30 - 13:31We can retool prisons
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13:31 - 13:34so that HIV prevention and harm reduction
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13:34 - 13:37is available to prisoners.
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13:37 - 13:41The key to all this is reinforcing civil society.
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13:41 - 13:43Because civil society is key
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13:43 - 13:46to raising awareness among vulnerable groups
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13:46 - 13:48of their legal rights.
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13:48 - 13:49But awareness needs action.
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13:49 - 13:51And so we need to ensure
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13:51 - 13:53that these people who are living with HIV
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13:53 - 13:55or at greatest risk of HIV
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13:55 - 13:57have access to legal services
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13:57 - 14:00and they have equal access to the courts.
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14:00 - 14:03And also important is talking to communities
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14:03 - 14:05so that we change interpretations
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14:05 - 14:08of religious or customary law,
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14:08 - 14:09which is too often used
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14:09 - 14:13to justify punishment and fuel stigma.
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14:13 - 14:14For many of us here
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14:14 - 14:18HIV is not an abstract threat.
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14:18 - 14:20It hits very close to home.
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14:20 - 14:23The law, on the other hand,
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14:23 - 14:27can seem remote, arcane, the stuff of specialists,
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14:27 - 14:29but it isn't.
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14:29 - 14:32Because for those of us who live in democracies,
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14:32 - 14:34or in aspiring democracies,
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14:34 - 14:37the law begins with us.
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14:37 - 14:40Laws that treat people living with HIV
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14:40 - 14:43or those at greatest risk with respect
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14:43 - 14:48start with the way that we treat them ourselves: as equals.
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14:48 - 14:53If we are going to stop the spread of HIV in our lifetime,
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14:53 - 14:56then that is the change we need to spread.
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14:56 - 14:58Thank you.
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14:58 - 15:05(Applause)
- Title:
- HIV -- how to fight an epidemic of bad laws
- Speaker:
- Shereen El-Feki
- Description:
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There is an epidemic of HIV, and with it an epidemic of bad laws -- laws that effectively criminalize being HIV positive. At the TEDxSummit in Doha, TED Fellow Shereen El-Feki gives a forceful argument that these laws are not only based in stigma, but are helping the disease spread.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 15:28
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