1 00:00:00,310 --> 00:00:04,326 Let's begin with a story. 2 00:00:04,326 --> 00:00:06,277 Once upon a time -- 3 00:00:06,277 --> 00:00:09,343 well actually less than two years ago -- 4 00:00:09,343 --> 00:00:12,376 in a kingdom not so very far away, 5 00:00:12,376 --> 00:00:14,127 there was a man 6 00:00:14,127 --> 00:00:15,994 who traveled many miles 7 00:00:15,994 --> 00:00:19,576 to come to work at the jewel in the kingdom's crown -- 8 00:00:19,576 --> 00:00:22,160 an internationally famous company. 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,278 Let's call it Island Networks. 10 00:00:25,278 --> 00:00:28,126 Now this kingdom had many resources 11 00:00:28,126 --> 00:00:30,343 and mighty ambitions, 12 00:00:30,343 --> 00:00:32,910 but the one thing it lacked was people. 13 00:00:32,910 --> 00:00:36,343 And so it invited workers from around the world 14 00:00:36,343 --> 00:00:38,993 to come and help it build the nation. 15 00:00:38,993 --> 00:00:41,960 But in order to enter and to stay 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,495 these migrants had to pass a few tests. 17 00:00:45,495 --> 00:00:47,978 And so it was, our man presented himself 18 00:00:47,978 --> 00:00:49,747 to authorities in the kingdom, 19 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:52,945 looking forward to settling into his new life. 20 00:00:52,945 --> 00:00:56,195 But then something unexpected happened. 21 00:00:56,195 --> 00:00:59,795 The medical personnel who took blood samples from the man 22 00:00:59,795 --> 00:01:03,478 never actually told him what they were testing for. 23 00:01:03,478 --> 00:01:07,747 He wasn't offered counseling before or after the test, 24 00:01:07,747 --> 00:01:10,078 which is best medical practice. 25 00:01:10,078 --> 00:01:13,079 He was never informed of the results of the test. 26 00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:15,195 And yet, a couple of weeks later, 27 00:01:15,195 --> 00:01:18,229 he was picked up and taken to prison 28 00:01:18,229 --> 00:01:20,763 where he was subjected to a medical exam, 29 00:01:20,763 --> 00:01:23,514 including a full-body search 30 00:01:23,514 --> 00:01:27,112 in full view of the others in the cell. 31 00:01:27,112 --> 00:01:30,879 He was released, but then a day or two later, 32 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:35,848 he was taken to the airport and he was deported. 33 00:01:35,848 --> 00:01:39,113 What on earth did this man do 34 00:01:39,113 --> 00:01:41,263 to merit this treatment? 35 00:01:41,263 --> 00:01:43,865 What was his terrible crime? 36 00:01:43,865 --> 00:01:47,513 He was infected with HIV. 37 00:01:47,513 --> 00:01:50,644 Now the kingdom is one of about 50 countries 38 00:01:50,644 --> 00:01:54,916 that imposes restrictions on the entry or stay 39 00:01:54,916 --> 00:01:57,516 of people living with HIV. 40 00:01:57,516 --> 00:01:59,117 The kingdom argues 41 00:01:59,117 --> 00:02:04,317 that its laws allow it to detain or deport foreigners 42 00:02:04,317 --> 00:02:07,016 who pose a risk to the economy 43 00:02:07,016 --> 00:02:10,516 or the security or the public health 44 00:02:10,516 --> 00:02:12,633 or the morals of the state. 45 00:02:12,633 --> 00:02:16,466 But these laws, when applied to people living with HIV, 46 00:02:16,466 --> 00:02:19,848 are a violation of international human rights agreements 47 00:02:19,848 --> 00:02:23,068 to which these countries are signatories. 48 00:02:23,068 --> 00:02:24,316 But you know what? 49 00:02:24,316 --> 00:02:25,799 Matters of principle aside, 50 00:02:25,799 --> 00:02:30,784 practically speaking, these laws drive HIV underground. 51 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:33,382 People are less likely to come forth 52 00:02:33,382 --> 00:02:37,416 to be tested or treated or to disclose their condition, 53 00:02:37,416 --> 00:02:40,248 none of which helps these individuals 54 00:02:40,248 --> 00:02:44,417 or the communities these laws purport to protect. 55 00:02:44,417 --> 00:02:48,482 Today we can prevent the transmission of HIV. 56 00:02:48,482 --> 00:02:51,901 And with treatment, it is a manageable condition. 57 00:02:51,901 --> 00:02:54,732 We are very far from the days 58 00:02:54,732 --> 00:02:57,918 when the only practical response to dread disease 59 00:02:57,918 --> 00:03:00,498 was to have banished the afflicted -- 60 00:03:00,498 --> 00:03:03,400 like this, "The Exile of the Leper." 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,617 So you tell me why, in our age of science, 62 00:03:06,617 --> 00:03:09,183 we still have laws and policies 63 00:03:09,183 --> 00:03:12,466 which come from an age of superstition. 64 00:03:12,466 --> 00:03:15,733 Time for a quick show of hands. 65 00:03:15,733 --> 00:03:18,998 Who here has been touched by HIV -- 66 00:03:18,998 --> 00:03:22,082 either because you yourself have the virus 67 00:03:22,082 --> 00:03:25,567 or you have a family member or a friend or a colleague 68 00:03:25,567 --> 00:03:27,600 who is living with HIV? 69 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,700 Hands up. 70 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:30,681 Wow. Wow. 71 00:03:30,681 --> 00:03:33,600 That's a significant number of us. 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,132 You know better than anyone 73 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:38,399 that HIV brings out 74 00:03:38,399 --> 00:03:41,982 the best and the worst in humanity. 75 00:03:41,982 --> 00:03:44,702 And the laws reflect these attitudes. 76 00:03:44,702 --> 00:03:47,382 I'm not just talking about laws on the books, 77 00:03:47,382 --> 00:03:50,749 but laws as they are enforced on the streets 78 00:03:50,749 --> 00:03:53,682 and laws as they are decided in the courts. 79 00:03:53,682 --> 00:03:56,232 And I'm not just talking about laws 80 00:03:56,232 --> 00:03:58,601 as they relate to people living with HIV, 81 00:03:58,601 --> 00:04:01,832 but people who are at greatest risk of infection -- 82 00:04:01,832 --> 00:04:05,600 people such as those who inject drugs or sex workers 83 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,749 or men who have sex with men 84 00:04:07,749 --> 00:04:09,632 or transgendered persons 85 00:04:09,632 --> 00:04:12,100 or migrants or prisoners. 86 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,650 And in many parts of the world that includes women and children 87 00:04:15,650 --> 00:04:17,681 who are especially vulnerable. 88 00:04:17,681 --> 00:04:20,483 Now there are laws in many parts of the world 89 00:04:20,483 --> 00:04:23,915 which reflect the best of human nature. 90 00:04:23,915 --> 00:04:27,201 These laws treat people touched by HIV 91 00:04:27,201 --> 00:04:30,100 with compassion and acceptance. 92 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:33,499 These laws respect universal human rights 93 00:04:33,499 --> 00:04:36,183 and they are grounded in evidence. 94 00:04:36,183 --> 00:04:39,316 These laws ensure that people living with HIV 95 00:04:39,316 --> 00:04:41,432 and those at greatest risk 96 00:04:41,432 --> 00:04:45,016 are protected from violence and discrimination 97 00:04:45,016 --> 00:04:49,232 and that they get access to prevention and to treatment. 98 00:04:49,232 --> 00:04:52,028 Unfortunately, these good laws 99 00:04:52,028 --> 00:04:54,164 are counter-balanced by a mass 100 00:04:54,164 --> 00:04:57,165 of really bad law -- 101 00:04:57,165 --> 00:05:01,614 law which is grounded in moral judgement 102 00:05:01,614 --> 00:05:04,467 and in fear and in misinformation, 103 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:08,566 laws which specifically punish people living with HIV 104 00:05:08,566 --> 00:05:10,198 or those at greatest risk. 105 00:05:10,198 --> 00:05:12,965 These laws fly in the face of science, 106 00:05:12,965 --> 00:05:16,248 and they are grounded in prejudice 107 00:05:16,248 --> 00:05:20,066 and in ignorance and in a rewriting of tradition 108 00:05:20,066 --> 00:05:23,348 and a selective reading of religion. 109 00:05:23,348 --> 00:05:25,965 But you know what? You don't have to take my word for it. 110 00:05:25,965 --> 00:05:27,849 We're going to hear from two people 111 00:05:27,849 --> 00:05:30,382 who are on the sharp end of the law. 112 00:05:30,382 --> 00:05:32,583 The first is Nick Rhoades. He's an American. 113 00:05:32,583 --> 00:05:36,581 And he was convicted under the U.S. State of Iowa's law 114 00:05:36,581 --> 00:05:39,466 on HIV transmission and exposure -- 115 00:05:39,466 --> 00:05:42,918 neither of which offense he actually committed. 116 00:05:42,918 --> 00:05:46,116 (Video) Nick Rhoades: If something is against the law 117 00:05:46,116 --> 00:05:47,315 then that is telling society 118 00:05:47,315 --> 00:05:49,916 that is unacceptable, that's bad behavior. 119 00:05:49,916 --> 00:05:52,486 And I think the severity of that punishment 120 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:56,175 tells you how bad you are as a person. 121 00:05:56,175 --> 00:05:58,665 You're a class B felon, 122 00:05:58,665 --> 00:06:01,449 lifetime sex offender. 123 00:06:01,449 --> 00:06:05,482 You are a very, very, very bad person. 124 00:06:05,482 --> 00:06:08,869 And you did a very, very, very bad thing. 125 00:06:08,869 --> 00:06:11,424 And so that's just programmed into you. 126 00:06:11,424 --> 00:06:14,657 And you go through the correctional system 127 00:06:14,657 --> 00:06:16,458 and everyone's telling you the same thing. 128 00:06:16,458 --> 00:06:21,422 And you're just like, I'm a very bad person. 129 00:06:21,422 --> 00:06:23,387 Shereen El-Feki: It's not just a question 130 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:26,486 of unfair or ineffective laws. 131 00:06:26,486 --> 00:06:28,587 Some countries have good laws, 132 00:06:28,587 --> 00:06:31,237 laws which could stem the tide of HIV. 133 00:06:31,237 --> 00:06:34,337 The problem is that these laws are flouted. 134 00:06:34,337 --> 00:06:37,304 Because stigma gives unofficial license 135 00:06:37,304 --> 00:06:39,621 to treat people living with HIV 136 00:06:39,621 --> 00:06:40,937 or those at greatest risk 137 00:06:40,937 --> 00:06:43,271 unlike other citizens. 138 00:06:43,271 --> 00:06:44,970 And this is exactly what happened 139 00:06:44,970 --> 00:06:48,184 to Helma and Dongo from Namibia. 140 00:06:48,184 --> 00:06:49,911 (Video) Hilma: I found out 141 00:06:49,911 --> 00:06:52,825 when I went to the hospital for a pregnancy check-up. 142 00:06:52,856 --> 00:06:56,508 The nurse announced that every pregnant woman 143 00:06:56,508 --> 00:06:58,603 must also be tested for HIV that day. 144 00:06:58,603 --> 00:07:01,652 I took the test and the result showed I was positive. 145 00:07:01,652 --> 00:07:04,248 That's the day I found out. 146 00:07:04,248 --> 00:07:06,860 The nurse said to me, "Why should you people bcome pregnant 147 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:08,388 when you know you are HIV positive? 148 00:07:08,388 --> 00:07:10,783 Why are you pregnant when you are living positive?" 149 00:07:10,783 --> 00:07:13,772 I am sure now that is the reason they sterilized me. 150 00:07:13,772 --> 00:07:18,904 Because I am HIV positive. 151 00:07:18,904 --> 00:07:21,935 They didn't give the forms to me 152 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:25,672 or explain what was in the form. 153 00:07:25,672 --> 00:07:28,072 The nurse just came with it 154 00:07:28,072 --> 00:07:30,154 already marked where I had to sign. 155 00:07:30,154 --> 00:07:32,098 And with the labor pain, 156 00:07:32,098 --> 00:07:39,168 I didn't have the strength to ask them to read it to me. 157 00:07:39,168 --> 00:07:41,697 I just signed. 158 00:07:41,712 --> 00:07:44,850 SE: Hilma and Nick and our man in the kingdom 159 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:49,201 are among the 34 million people living with HIV 160 00:07:49,201 --> 00:07:51,317 according to recent estimates. 161 00:07:51,317 --> 00:07:53,185 They're the lucky ones 162 00:07:53,185 --> 00:07:54,869 because they're still alive. 163 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:56,734 According to those same estimates, 164 00:07:56,734 --> 00:08:00,718 in 2010 1.8 million people died 165 00:08:00,718 --> 00:08:03,117 of AIDS related causes. 166 00:08:03,117 --> 00:08:06,620 These are terrible and tragic figures. 167 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:11,051 But if we look a little more broadly into the statistics, 168 00:08:11,051 --> 00:08:14,252 we actually see some reason for hope. 169 00:08:14,252 --> 00:08:19,652 Looking globally, the number of new infections of HIV is declining. 170 00:08:19,652 --> 00:08:22,103 And looking globally as well, 171 00:08:22,103 --> 00:08:25,469 deaths are also starting to fall. 172 00:08:25,469 --> 00:08:27,502 There are many reasons for these positive developments, 173 00:08:27,502 --> 00:08:29,635 but one of the most remarkable 174 00:08:29,635 --> 00:08:32,802 is in the increase in the number of people around the world 175 00:08:32,802 --> 00:08:34,985 on anti-retroviral therapy, 176 00:08:34,985 --> 00:08:39,118 the medicines they need to keep their HIV in check. 177 00:08:39,118 --> 00:08:41,151 Now there are still many problems. 178 00:08:41,151 --> 00:08:44,501 Only about half of the people who need treatment 179 00:08:44,501 --> 00:08:46,734 are currently receiving it. 180 00:08:46,734 --> 00:08:48,586 In some parts of the world -- 181 00:08:48,586 --> 00:08:50,935 like here in the Middle East and North Africa -- 182 00:08:50,935 --> 00:08:54,318 new infections are rising and so are deaths. 183 00:08:54,318 --> 00:08:57,469 And the money, the money we need 184 00:08:57,469 --> 00:08:59,402 for the global response to HIV, 185 00:08:59,402 --> 00:09:02,398 that is shrinking. 186 00:09:02,398 --> 00:09:04,687 But for the first time 187 00:09:04,687 --> 00:09:07,905 in three decades into this epidemic 188 00:09:07,905 --> 00:09:12,022 we have a real chance to come to grips with HIV. 189 00:09:12,022 --> 00:09:13,988 But in order to do that 190 00:09:13,988 --> 00:09:17,887 we need to tackle an epidemic of really bad law. 191 00:09:17,887 --> 00:09:19,505 It's for this reason 192 00:09:19,505 --> 00:09:21,635 that the Global Commission on HIV and the Law, 193 00:09:21,635 --> 00:09:22,934 of which I'm a member, 194 00:09:22,934 --> 00:09:26,000 was established by the agencies of the United Nations -- 195 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,650 to look at the ways that legal environments 196 00:09:28,650 --> 00:09:30,667 are affecting people living with HIV 197 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:32,801 and those at greatest risk, 198 00:09:32,801 --> 00:09:34,551 and to recommend what should be done 199 00:09:34,551 --> 00:09:37,787 to make the law an ally, not an enemy, 200 00:09:37,787 --> 00:09:40,519 of the global response to HIV. 201 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:42,868 Let me give you just one example 202 00:09:42,868 --> 00:09:45,518 of the way a legal environment 203 00:09:45,518 --> 00:09:48,084 can make a positive difference. 204 00:09:48,084 --> 00:09:50,899 People who inject drugs 205 00:09:50,899 --> 00:09:52,714 are one of those groups I mentioned. 206 00:09:52,714 --> 00:09:54,835 They're at high risk of HIV 207 00:09:54,835 --> 00:09:56,700 through contaminated injection equipment 208 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,382 and other risk-related behaviors. 209 00:09:59,382 --> 00:10:03,064 In fact, one in every 10 new infections of HIV 210 00:10:03,064 --> 00:10:05,798 is among people who inject drugs. 211 00:10:05,798 --> 00:10:08,399 Now drug use or possession 212 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,548 is illegal in almost every country. 213 00:10:10,548 --> 00:10:14,798 But some countries take a harder line on this than others. 214 00:10:14,798 --> 00:10:17,482 In Thailand people who use drugs, 215 00:10:17,482 --> 00:10:20,333 or are merely suspected of using drugs, 216 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:22,199 are placed in detention centers, 217 00:10:22,199 --> 00:10:24,116 like the one you see here, 218 00:10:24,116 --> 00:10:26,199 where they are supposed to clean up. 219 00:10:26,199 --> 00:10:29,131 There is absolutely no evidence 220 00:10:29,131 --> 00:10:31,982 to show that throwing people into detention 221 00:10:31,982 --> 00:10:34,315 cures their drug dependence. 222 00:10:34,315 --> 00:10:36,482 There is, however, ample evidence 223 00:10:36,482 --> 00:10:38,482 to show that incarcerating people 224 00:10:38,482 --> 00:10:43,700 increases their risk of HIV and other infections. 225 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:49,350 We know how to reduce HIV transmission and other risks 226 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:51,115 in people who inject drugs. 227 00:10:51,115 --> 00:10:53,246 It's called harm reduction, 228 00:10:53,246 --> 00:10:55,030 and it involves, among other things, 229 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:58,161 providing clean needles and syringes, 230 00:10:58,161 --> 00:11:00,996 offering opioid substitution therapy 231 00:11:00,996 --> 00:11:03,262 and other evidence-based treatments 232 00:11:03,262 --> 00:11:05,512 to reduce drug dependence. 233 00:11:05,512 --> 00:11:08,029 It involves providing information 234 00:11:08,029 --> 00:11:10,047 and education and condoms 235 00:11:10,047 --> 00:11:13,178 to reduce HIV transmission, 236 00:11:13,178 --> 00:11:15,695 and also providing HIV testing 237 00:11:15,695 --> 00:11:17,528 and counseling and treatment 238 00:11:17,528 --> 00:11:19,346 should people become infected. 239 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,879 Where the legal environment allows for harm reduction 240 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:25,133 the results are striking. 241 00:11:25,133 --> 00:11:26,963 Australia and Switzerland 242 00:11:26,963 --> 00:11:29,564 were two countries which introduced harm reduction 243 00:11:29,564 --> 00:11:32,264 very early on in their HIV epidemics, 244 00:11:32,264 --> 00:11:35,283 and they have a very low rate of HIV 245 00:11:35,283 --> 00:11:37,446 among injecting drug users. 246 00:11:37,446 --> 00:11:39,797 The U.S. and Malaysia 247 00:11:39,797 --> 00:11:42,347 came to harm reduction a little later, 248 00:11:42,347 --> 00:11:46,314 and they have higher rates of HIV in these populations. 249 00:11:46,314 --> 00:11:47,997 Thailand and Russia, however, 250 00:11:47,997 --> 00:11:49,899 have resisted harm reduction 251 00:11:49,899 --> 00:11:51,631 and have stringent laws 252 00:11:51,631 --> 00:11:53,197 which punish drug use. 253 00:11:53,197 --> 00:11:54,697 And hey, surprise, 254 00:11:54,697 --> 00:12:00,064 very high rates of HIV among people who are injecting drugs. 255 00:12:00,064 --> 00:12:02,930 At the Global Commission we have studied the evidence, 256 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:04,681 and we've heard the experiences 257 00:12:04,681 --> 00:12:09,014 of over 700 people from 140 countries. 258 00:12:09,014 --> 00:12:11,272 And the trend? Well the trend is clear. 259 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:14,597 Where you criminalize people living with HIV 260 00:12:14,597 --> 00:12:15,963 or those at greatest risk, 261 00:12:15,963 --> 00:12:18,712 you fuel the epidemic. 262 00:12:18,712 --> 00:12:22,981 Now coming up with a vaccine for HIV 263 00:12:22,981 --> 00:12:24,182 or a cure for AIDS -- 264 00:12:24,182 --> 00:12:26,680 now that's rocket science. 265 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,463 But changing the law isn't. 266 00:12:28,463 --> 00:12:31,176 And in fact, a number of countries are starting to make progress 267 00:12:31,176 --> 00:12:32,759 on a number of points. 268 00:12:32,759 --> 00:12:36,797 To begin, countries need to review their legislation 269 00:12:36,797 --> 00:12:40,329 as it touches HIV and vulnerable groups. 270 00:12:40,329 --> 00:12:42,446 On the back of those reviews, 271 00:12:42,446 --> 00:12:44,412 governments should repeal laws 272 00:12:44,412 --> 00:12:47,580 that punish or discriminate against people living with HIV 273 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:49,797 or those at greatest risk. 274 00:12:49,797 --> 00:12:52,313 Repealing a law isn't easy, 275 00:12:52,313 --> 00:12:54,097 and it's particularly difficult 276 00:12:54,097 --> 00:12:58,380 when it relates to touchy subjects like drugs and sex. 277 00:12:58,380 --> 00:13:01,947 But there's plenty you can do while that process is underway. 278 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:06,246 One of the key points is to reform the police 279 00:13:06,246 --> 00:13:09,063 so that they have better practices on the ground. 280 00:13:09,063 --> 00:13:10,818 So for example, outreach workers 281 00:13:10,818 --> 00:13:13,818 who are distributing condoms to vulnerable populations 282 00:13:13,818 --> 00:13:16,934 are not themselves subject to police harassment 283 00:13:16,934 --> 00:13:19,884 or abuse or arbitrary arrest. 284 00:13:19,884 --> 00:13:21,385 We can also train judges 285 00:13:21,385 --> 00:13:24,552 so that they find flexibilities in the law 286 00:13:24,552 --> 00:13:27,702 and so that they rule on the side of tolerance 287 00:13:27,702 --> 00:13:29,601 rather than prejudice. 288 00:13:29,601 --> 00:13:31,119 We can retool prisons 289 00:13:31,119 --> 00:13:34,484 so that HIV prevention and harm reduction 290 00:13:34,484 --> 00:13:36,704 is available to prisoners. 291 00:13:36,704 --> 00:13:41,219 The key to all this is reinforcing civil society. 292 00:13:41,219 --> 00:13:42,902 Because civil society is key 293 00:13:42,902 --> 00:13:45,768 to raising awareness among vulnerable groups 294 00:13:45,768 --> 00:13:47,552 of their legal rights. 295 00:13:47,552 --> 00:13:49,169 But awareness needs action. 296 00:13:49,169 --> 00:13:50,635 And so we need to ensure 297 00:13:50,635 --> 00:13:52,968 that these people who are living with HIV 298 00:13:52,968 --> 00:13:54,635 or at greatest risk of HIV 299 00:13:54,635 --> 00:13:57,369 have access to legal services 300 00:13:57,369 --> 00:14:00,285 and they have equal access to the courts. 301 00:14:00,285 --> 00:14:02,986 And also important is talking to communities 302 00:14:02,986 --> 00:14:05,135 so that we change interpretations 303 00:14:05,135 --> 00:14:07,635 of religious or customary law, 304 00:14:07,635 --> 00:14:09,453 which is too often used 305 00:14:09,453 --> 00:14:12,936 to justify punishment and fuel stigma. 306 00:14:12,936 --> 00:14:14,184 For many of us here 307 00:14:14,184 --> 00:14:17,703 HIV is not an abstract threat. 308 00:14:17,703 --> 00:14:20,202 It hits very close to home. 309 00:14:20,202 --> 00:14:22,719 The law, on the other hand, 310 00:14:22,719 --> 00:14:27,152 can seem remote, arcane, the stuff of specialists, 311 00:14:27,152 --> 00:14:29,234 but it isn't. 312 00:14:29,234 --> 00:14:32,119 Because for those of us who live in democracies, 313 00:14:32,119 --> 00:14:34,435 or in aspiring democracies, 314 00:14:34,435 --> 00:14:37,452 the law begins with us. 315 00:14:37,452 --> 00:14:40,385 Laws that treat people living with HIV 316 00:14:40,385 --> 00:14:43,053 or those at greatest risk with respect 317 00:14:43,053 --> 00:14:47,901 start with the way that we treat them ourselves: as equals. 318 00:14:47,901 --> 00:14:52,535 If we are going to stop the spread of HIV in our lifetime, 319 00:14:52,535 --> 00:14:56,202 then that is the change we need to spread. 320 00:14:56,202 --> 00:14:57,601 Thank you. 321 00:14:57,601 --> 00:15:05,435 (Applause)