The Venus Project Seminar (9 March 2014)

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[Technical Competence] Shawn, most people don't have
the ability to change things

although they think they have.

You can hire a man for so much money,

he's out to repair your roof or it might leak,
depending on his competence.

So we don't have chance takers so to speak

we don't take chances,
we have technical competence.

That means the ability to deal
with the problems your assigned.

- But its not technical elitism.
Do you want to talk about that?

It's not technical elitism, though.

- He said "It's not technical elitism."

- No its not technical elitism.
They're assigned duties.

If you come into the Venus Project,
they say, "What is your training?".

Say interior design, that means designing a house

with the easy access with safety devices
that's what you'd be doing,

designing a house so there's no fires no short circuits

and so the kids can't stick a
screwdriver in an electrical circuit.

If they did nothing would happen.
In other words,

you would be into what children
are apt to do without training,

without sufficient training. So you
try to block the occurrence from happening.

you don't try to treat it after it happens.

Today we make laws after a man kills somebody,

we make a law: "Thou shall not kill."
We don't do it before.

- Right, we are reactive instead of proactive.

- Yes, exactly.

Is it perfect? No, it's just a lot better
than the present-day system

and as time goes on it'll become shorter, better

and improve communication,

in each discipline, there is no ideal discipline

that you can train a person in
and say "That's it!" forever.

It isn't, it undergoes change as innovation comes in.

- Alright, and, move on to the next question.
The next one is:

"What are the conditions required to
perform experiments in the first city

to prove or refute whether
the theory works or not?"

- The first city would take students
that have studied The Venus Project,

that have been trained in how to react
in relation to accomplishing a given task

and if they are trained appropriately
they do the task appropriately,

if they're not, they don't even get to that position.

- The first city itself is actually...

- Is to test the validity of
The Venus Project's proposals.

- We also see it as a research center,
a large research center,

to develop the next city, more efficiently.

- Test out some more construction techniques,
more manufacturing techniques more...

- Or who to call if you don't know the
answer; you know who to call.

- And I imagine the place
having a massive amount of tours

and showing people in and out of the city

maybe even staying for a period of time
to take classes and be orientated.

- When you get a subway train today
its operated there's a machine operator,

there's a conductor, but they're
being done away with.

Machines are taking the place of the
train operator; especially on airports today,

there's nobody that operates
the transportation system. It's automated.

But before the train stops, it tells you:

"at Station 2d we have music restaurants, etc."

You're informed before you get out
of the train or the plane.

- And I never see anybody protesting that.

I never see people protesting stop-lights, or stop signs.

These are all things that
existed prior to them...

- They can make recommendations, and it
goes to the recommendation center,

And they correspond with the person
making the recommendations.

They ask further questions.
- Right.

- And you want to eventually eliminate
stop signs and the stop lights,

and just have transportation that's efficient.
People don't operate it.

- There's nobody accusing the
local board of people that -

- of engineers that put up the plumbing throughout the city

or the electrical systems - of technological elitism.
Nobody's accusing them of that.

It's simply taking care of
the necessities of life for humans

and even doing it on a much larger scale...

And naturally, if a competent person is ill,

he is replaced by another competent person.

We don't have a problem then,

if there's lots of technicians lined up for each job

and most people no need to work;

they can go to centers where they learn how to write,

or they learn how to communicate better

or they teach communication,
or take up any course that you feel,

not so much that you feel,
that the nation feels is needed.

- Not the nation, the globe. - Yes.
- The world right?

- No nations, the global interpretation
is what we use. - OK

- What is needed globally,

and your trained in that area.

If you come up with a new field, we train
people in that new field right away

because you can't rely on the others.

Everybody is updated on what to expect.

- That would be one of the interesting values
in a Resource Based Economy, is to know that

when you go through this education,
when you do this work

when you do this contribution,
your contributing to global society,

which is...
- And you know where to go, to find the answers;

you don't get into conflict with people.

There's no debates, there's dialogue.
You know the difference?

You talk with a person, they talk back.
Debate is out to win.

We're not out to win. We're out to accomplish

a given task with a minimum
expenditure energy and temperament.

- And that is the reinforcement, because

your standard of living goes up
continuously as well

and you know that you're participating in that.
That's the reinforcement.

- And even with all that, you might only
have to contribute a couple hours a week,

if any at all, because less than
ten percent of the world population,

maybe closer to six-percent would ever
need to work to sustain such a system.

That's the estimates,
I don't know how it will work out.

- Even if machines do all the work
man is still going to do creative work.

He's going to look at things,
make recommendations

but there'd be people that are specialized
in how to make recommendations.

- Gotcha.

I have a weird question here,
maybe it's not a weird question.

I'll go ahead and ask it.
It's been asked before.

What will happen to the bodies of the deceased

in a Resource Based Economy?

- I would have to leave that up
to the Resourced Based Economy.

- One thing I think...

- Those people that are trained
in the new social development,

leave their bodies to science.

- But they wouldn't be embalmed
and put in the ground, because even today

they have embalming fluid that's going
in the drinking water of every city

because of that, those practices.

- And yeah, the purpose of embalming fluid
is to allow their skin to remain

for the viewing, which is also
another discussion altogether,

whether that's relevant or not, and

like you said, it's polluting the
underwater ground system,

so it's polluting our food,
polluting our drinking water

and just so we can preserve the body
for a couple of days for funeral procession.

- All the laws will be changed
so they become functional.

- But you know all those are really old rituals.

To look at the dead, and preserve them,

cultures from a long time ago have all those
old myths about someone dying.

- I wouldn't say that the majority
can make the switch right away.

Those that can't make the switch,
they will be taken care of

and we'll keep things as they know them,

until they have watched
enough TV's and radio shows

in the future, to know the difference.

- Taken care in the sense of...
- You can't shove people into the future

you can expose them to it.
Those that wish to live in the new cities, will.

Those that can't, won't.

- Makes sense.

I think it will become obvious over time.

- Over time, not by military means torture or imprisonment.

There will be no prisons, no police.

Since people have access to
the necessities of life, they do not steal.

- Keep what works, shed what does not.

Let the things that don't work, the inefficient things

fall off to the wayside, over time.

I try to tell people, when we talk about this to the public,

there's no need to stop or prevent or remove anything

you don't have to use these words

we will just start working on relevant things,
and irrelevant things will fade away.

- They don't use the old telephone anymore,
you know, the big black ones.

- There may be 150 people in an airliner.

Only two operate the airliner.
The navigator and the pilot.

150 people do not participate in the operation of that airliner.

So when you say, "What will people do?"

They sit around in an airliner
and they just enjoy the view,

but they don't have to do anything.

- That's not to say that they can't
participate. Of course they can.

- Well very few of them would be an airline pilot,
that can walk in in an emergency.

In an emergency, if the pilot has
say a heart attack, the plane takes over.

Otherwise we have two pilots.

Until we do...

Until we have it automated that way,
we will use redundancy.

- You know they say what will people do,
most people don't do today what they want to do,

they really restricted in terms of what
they can do financially.

- Many people don't even
know what they want to do,

they've never been given an
opportunity even think about it.

They're told or directed into certain areas of their life.
- Oh my god.

(Joel) So what you're saying, in this culture,
you don't even dare to dream because of the pain.

- That's right. They say you live in quiet desperation.

Even when you are intrested in something
when you're younger,

you shoved out of that
to do something that makes a living.

- Most people are convinced

by the new television systems
of the profession their studying.

In other words, their professions that they study
will be what's needed at the time.

You don't become a plumber in the future,
when plumbing becomes automated.

So you can't pick your field (today).
The fields that are available are listed

and you can pick from that list,
which are hundreds of different things to do.

but that's up to you.

If you find that working on
human factors being of interest to you,

you can look up anything you want to
and pick whatever is needed,

we don't train people in
professions that are not needed.

Like sales people.

You can get specifications
of a product, and the durability

whatever you want to know is available,

but you don't need a salesman.

- How much mental capacity on Earth today
is wasted, in irrelevant professions

or never even come into fruition because of
no education or... for many reasons?

- Well if you took a person from this culture

and put them in the future, they'd say,

"I don't understand this, I don't
understand it at all!" And that's true.

Like I say, if you took
your grandmother to Miami Beach

and she saw the girls walking
around in bikinis, she might say:

"They've gone to far!" because of her background.

But you understand it's her background,
not that she's stupid; her background.

Now most of those backgrounds will be eliminated

in the future by education, out of it.

- And that's what the trends show already,
the trends are already showing these things.

- If you can't make the adjustment,
other nations will pass you by.

- But they are still teaching so many
professions that are... - obsolete...

- ...pushing money around, sales people,
insurance people, advertising,

bankers lawyers so many
things that people learn

they just take advantage one another

they don't really contribute very much,
they're parasites in this system.

- I just had a visual when I was in the military,

we use to have to sweep dust in the parking lots all the time,

just ridiculous, that was only one of our things.

All I was doing was pushing
dirt from one place to another.

The Earth is covered in dirt,
so what am I doing?

So I liken that to... sorry Jacque

I liken that to the money people,
they are just pushing it in different areas.

- Shawn, instead of a Pentagon,

you have a lot of people trained in bridging
the difference between nations.

The Pentagon would serve
as an organization

as an intermediate organization
to bridge the different between cultures.

- There's hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of soldiers on the planet,

if they were retrained into being
scientists, engineers, mathematicians

all these things, medical people...

a how much would all of our
standards of living be higher,

just by that alone?

You get people who get their
kicks out of helping one another,

in learning things and
doing something constructive.

Instead of getting their kicks out of
beating somebody.

- Oh I thought you meant...

- Shawn, do you feel there is
any question I didn't answer?

- No no, I was just trying to answer
some questions from the community

and trying to get you
to respond to their questions.

I think they value that a lot from you,
and it is nice that you are able to do that,

and to come on the show obviously [laughing]

- Anything else? - I have one more thing...

it's probably more for Joel and Roxanne
and it has to do with their documentary

updates on that and how's it going?
You guys raised the money for it...

(Joel) "What documentary?" [Laughter]

- Joel's entire life right now right?

I mean, all day, every day working
on that thing. Also you right?

On top of all The Venus Project
management and that type of stuff.

- Well we both do all that management, we split that job too

because it is just too much for two people.

- Well you often have like ten jobs
at the same time, it's really, it's amazing.

- But the documentary is coming along well.

We're getting a lot of people

We're getting interviews from people
and Joel has been running around the country...

- And this wasn't something that we put in,
that we had in the original plans

but because we did reach those...
a degree of the stretch goals,

we decided to do it, and spend the
money on getting these interviews.

And they are very... we think
they will enrich the whole film.

The interviews are something
we thought of afterwards,

because we did reach that goal,

so Joel has been running around
the country getting the interviews

and we are really having them describe
the conditions of society today.

- And then reinforcing a lot of
the clips he already has within the film.

- We think it will...

Yes one person is an environmental specialist
in how we can transition over to...

...how it's totally possible and
he explains and gives hard data

of how you can convert the
whole United States in 20 years to...

renewable resources,
no fossil fuel burning.

- Most people don't even know
what the problems are today

They don't even know what question to ask.

But in the future they will,
they'll be shown how our system works,

children will be taken on tours to every industry

so they see how things are made and they
understand where it comes from,

and they understand different production methods,

they understand the meaning of automation.

They don't argue about what will people do.

I imagine how people go about,
"what do I want to do with my life?"

and they have their heroes,
they have their sports heroes,

their super heroes, their comic book heroes;

their father or mother wants to
push them into a certain direction.

So the decision they make with their life,
their future and their profession

is based on environment,

and in the future I imagine a child,
a relatively young child

who at least has access to information says,
"I wanna become an astronaut."

and the computer displays the
entire path of becoming an astronaut,

and that child has much more
information almost immediately

then our current people today
have over a 20-year period.

So I think that's going to be an
awesome advantage in the future too.

- And they probably wouldn't
be aspiring to just one thing,

because being an astronaut means
learning about many different things.

- Right, and it can branch off very easily into many other aspects,

because that's a pretty broad field also.

- When they say, "What will motivate people,
if they have access to things?"

just say the end of war, poverty,
starvation in the world,

arguments between husband-and-wife,
all that will disappear.

Fist fights will disappear.
The common things that

we've been conditioned to want to watch,
prize fights, will disappear.

Because it harms the brain people
not because Fresco doesn't like fights.

- There's really nothing, at no time
where we reach a plateau

where there's no other inquiry. Things will always be changing.

It's like when you get T.V. then people
start thinking of 3-dimensional T.V.

Or when you get cameras or computers
that are faster, then they get faster

and smaller and more efficient and don't heat up.

- We haven't even finished exploring Earth yet, we're far from that.

We haven't been to the depths of the ocean,
we haven't really explored all aspects of Earth.

And that's not even including later on after,

much in the future when we are dealing with space.

That's nearly limitless exploration and endeavors.

- And if they ask more questions
you can write them down.

Remember, The Venus Project is a very different system.

That's why you can't use
comparisons with today's system.

- That's all the referent that people have
at this point though. - Of course.

- That's why we stress education, it gives a person more tools,

more capabilities to understand more things.

- That's why semantics doesn't
mean anything in a monetary system

because it doesn't change the system.

You can't exceed the system with language.

You can only exceed the system with events,

recommended procedures that are better.

You can't exceed the system by telling people
to be good, be kind be considerate.

You have to take away the conditions
that makes it necessary for you to be kind,

and to be kind, you design
highways that aren't slippery,

where no accidents, or less accidents occur.

In the future, everybody becomes an innovator,

a creator.

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