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I have briefly touched upon the shady
tactics used by the governments
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to foment public support for war.
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One such program by the US was
put in place during the Cold War,
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called Operation Gladio,
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the aim of which was to have
paramilitary organizations
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stay behind in the Eastern Bloc
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to continue the destabilization
of regional powers.
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And although the program was finally
acknowledged in 2006,
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and is said to be long over,
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some allege that it never really ended:
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instead, this clandestine operation
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simply morphed to fit the needs
of the War on Terror.
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Here to help me break down this very
important and convoluted subject
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is James Corbett: independent journalist
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and host of The Corbett Report.
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Thanks for coming on, James.
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(James): Thank you for having me Abby.
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So, what did Operation Gladio
consist of,
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and how far-reaching was the program?
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Well: you were recently, on the program,
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talking about the top five conspiracies
that turned out to be true;
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and I think Operation Gladio
has to rank up there among them.
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"Gladio" is the code name for a
clandestine operation that,
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as you indicate, was set up
by NATO in conjunction with the CIA
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in the wake of World War II
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as the Cold War started to develop.
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And the official cover of this program
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was that it was designed as
a stay-behind program
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to fund, train, equip, supply, and
otherwise facilitate
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groups to be ready in the case
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of a Soviet invasion of Europe.
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And if that were to happen,
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basically, these groups would
be able to resist
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the Soviet occupation forces
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while NATO prepared some sort
of military response.
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That was, at least, the official cover
for what was happening;
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but ultimately what resulted
from this was,
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over the course of the five decades of
the Cold War
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these funds and arms and equipment
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were going to paramilitary groups
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and ultranationalist groups
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that were basically against...
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hard-line anti-Communists.
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And this resulted in a number of
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different operations, events,
and outrages
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that ultimately were blamed
on Communists
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as a way of trying to basically
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cripple the political Left
in Europe during that period.
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And perhaps the best-known
of those outrages and atrocities
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was the 1980 Bologna Bombing,
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which killed 85 people
and wounded 200 more.
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That was, again, directly linked
to this Operation Gladio.
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It was eventually exposed
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in the early 1990s
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in the Italian Parliament,
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and eventually, that resulted in an outcry
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that was supposedly going to kick off
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a European Parliamentary investigation
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that never actually occurred.
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But we've been led to believe
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-- in a lot of the English-language
media, and in the Western world --
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that this was specifically
focused on Europe,
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and it specifically started and ended
with the Cold War.
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But in fact, as more information
continues to come out about it,
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we start to see that, in fact,
the field of operations
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of Operation Gladio really is global
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and that it continues to this current day.
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Well let's talk about that transition.
I mean: very shocking.
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I didn't even really understand the extent
of Operation Gladio
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until I was watching your series.
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I recommend everyone to check that out.
A really thorough series,
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just basically outlining everything
that this operation was.
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As you said: I mean, it's a
decades-long operation
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that consisted of false-flag terror
attacks, death,
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the funding of ultranationalist groups
to foment terrorism.
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Let's talk about the transition into
Gladio B.
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You said that there's evidence showing
that this is actually
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still happening today, and it's actually
morphed into something else.
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What is that? And what evidence
is there to back that up?
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Well, as you say,
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I had a video series that I conducted
earlier this year
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with FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds.
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And as people may or may not
know, she's been referred to as
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"the most gagged woman
in the United States"
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by the ACLU and other organizations
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for having the state secrets privilege
applied to her case,
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to classify all sorts of information
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about what she was working on
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at her time in the FBI
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in the translation department at
the Washington Field Office.
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And basically the information
that she had
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indicated that there was a change
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that occurred in this Operation Gladio,
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that occurred in the mid-1990s.
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And she was specifically focused
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on the Turkish field of operations.
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And this is -- again -- documented and
on the record
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-- although little known and little
talked-about in the Western media --
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but Turkey was, in fact,
one of the first places
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where Operation Gladio eventuated; and
was, in fact, one of the central places
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as a geostrategic window: the bridge...
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-- the so-called bridge --
between Europe and the Middle East
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it's always had a geostrategic location,
and, as such,
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was one of the jewels in the crown
of the Operation Gladio program.
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But in the mid-1990s,
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Operation Gladio started to shift
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from that funding of paramilitaries
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and ultranationalist groups
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-- in Turkey, specifically --
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towards an operation more like
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what we saw in Afghanistan
in the 1980s:
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where the US, specifically,
was funding, and helping,
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and training, and arming
the mujahideen
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in their fight against the
Soviets in Afghanistan.
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And this became the model
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for what's known as Gladio B.
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Gladio B is the term that
-- Sibel Edmonds indicates --
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is the actual FBI file that they
have on this:
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the information on this in the FBI.
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But there is a different name
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for whatever office in the Pentagon
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actually works with NATO
on this operation.
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That's still classified:
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We don't know that. But we do know that
it's referred to as Gladio B by the FBI.
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And basically, this is the cooperation
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of NATO and US
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-- including high-ranking US State
Department officials and others --
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with Islamic terrorists, basically,
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in the perpetuation of a
strategy of tension
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which can be used as a type of weapon
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against... specifically in Central Asia
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and the Caucasus region,
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which is an exceptionally important part
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of the global chessboard,
as Zbigniew Brzezinski talks about.
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And in fact, in his 1997 book
The Grand Chessboard,
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he identified Central Asia as the
absolute key
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for... anyone who wants to have
world dominance in this day and age
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needs to control Central Asia.
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And that's where we find a lot of these
operations, now, are being based,
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with US and NATO officials
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cooperating with Islamic terrorists,
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in order to foment a type of
destabilization
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that is aimed, ultimately,
against rivals Russia and China.
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Right: very fascinating.
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I remember, in the video series you're
talking about,
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right before 9/11
-- as in 1997-2001 --
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I mean, we're talking about al-Zawahiri,
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alleged top al-Qaeda officials,
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being flown out, fostered by NATO,
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propagated by NATO, and also the CIA,
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and covert forces in the area.
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You said that this is actually
going on still, to this day.
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What are they doing?
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And explain, really, how this manifested
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into perpetuating what we're seeing
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play off across that region of the world
right now?
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Well you're exactly right
about that.
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And again, this comes directly
from Sibel Edmonds
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who was working directly
with the information from the FBI
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that Ayman al-Zawahiri was meeting
with top-level US officials
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in Baku, Azerbaijan, in 1997 to 2001
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-- in that range.
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And this is important because,
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for people who don't know,
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Ayman al-Zawahiri was, of course,
Osama Bin Laden's right-hand man
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and is now the nominal head
of al-Qaeda itself.
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So the fact that he had such high-level
contacts for so many years with...
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in the heart of the US State Department,
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and with high-ranking officials,
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is an exceptionally big story:
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for obvious reasons.
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And the fact that this is still ongoing,
I think, is certainly viewable
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in the context of what's happening
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in that Central Asia/Caucasus region
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with countries of such importance
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geostrategically: like Azerbaijan
and Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan
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which are in that Caspian Sea basin,
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and that corridor where a lot of the
pipelines for those oil resources
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are being hard-wired right now.
(And, of course, all of these various...)
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(Abby): And I wanted to jump in there
really, really quickly James, because
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we have about a minute left. But of
course, Sibel talks about drug-running
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in this operation as well: the heroin
from Afghanistan.
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But really quickly: I mean,
why haven't more of these allegations
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been covered in, even, independent
media, James?
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Unfortunately, there is a
total wall of silence on this.
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And part of the reason, I think, the
independent media hasn't picked up on it
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is because there is so much to talk
about, and there are
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so many connections
that a lot of people
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just simply haven't
even heard about before.
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So it is an area of the globe that
a lot of people aren't familiar with
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and it takes a lot of coaching
to get people familiar
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with some of the players and
names and dates.
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So just... that's one of the reasons
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why it hasn't been featured
in the independent media.
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And obviously, the mainstream media,
unfortunately -- as we know --
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is controlled on these types of subjects
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and won't go near this type of
blockbuster information.
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Well, now that you've kind of outlined the
preliminary base of knowledge about it,
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we'll get you on again to break it
more down. Thank you so much.
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James Corbett, Corbett Report.
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Everyone check out the series,
Operation Gladio [B].
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Thank you.
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