A new way to study the brain's invisible secrets
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0:01 - 0:02Hello, everybody.
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0:02 - 0:05I brought with me today a baby diaper.
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0:07 - 0:09You'll see why in a second.
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0:09 - 0:11Baby diapers have interesting properties.
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0:11 - 0:13They can swell enormously
when you add water to them, -
0:13 - 0:16an experiment done
by millions of kids every day. -
0:16 - 0:17(Laughter)
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0:17 - 0:19But the reason why
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0:19 - 0:21is that they're designed
in a very clever way. -
0:21 - 0:24They're made out of a thing
called a swellable material. -
0:24 - 0:27It's a special kind of material that,
when you add water, -
0:27 - 0:28it will swell up enormously,
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0:28 - 0:30maybe a thousand times in volume.
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0:30 - 0:34And this is a very useful,
industrial kind of polymer. -
0:34 - 0:36But what we're trying to do
in my group at MIT -
0:36 - 0:40is to figure out if we can do
something similar to the brain. -
0:40 - 0:41Can we make it bigger,
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0:41 - 0:42big enough that you
can peer inside -
0:42 - 0:45and see all the tiny building blocks,
the biomolecules, -
0:45 - 0:47how they're organized in three dimensions,
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0:47 - 0:51the structure, the ground truth
structure of the brain, if you will? -
0:51 - 0:52If we could get that,
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0:52 - 0:56maybe we could have a better understanding
of how the brain is organized -
0:56 - 0:57to yield thoughts and emotions
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0:57 - 0:59and actions and sensations.
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0:59 - 1:02Maybe we could try to pinpoint
the exact changes in the brain -
1:02 - 1:04that result in diseases,
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1:04 - 1:07diseases like Alzheimer's
and epilepsy and Parkinson's, -
1:07 - 1:10for which there are few
treatments, much less cures, -
1:10 - 1:14and for which, very often,
we don't know the cause or the origins -
1:14 - 1:16and what's really causing them to occur.
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1:17 - 1:18Now, our group at MIT
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1:18 - 1:21is trying to take
a different point of view -
1:21 - 1:24from the way neuroscience has
been done over the last hundred years. -
1:24 - 1:26We're designers. We're inventors.
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1:26 - 1:28We're trying to figure out
how to build technologies -
1:29 - 1:31that let us look at and repair the brain.
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1:31 - 1:32And the reason is,
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1:32 - 1:35the brain is incredibly,
incredibly complicated. -
1:35 - 1:38So what we've learned
over the first century of neuroscience -
1:38 - 1:41is that the brain is a very
complicated network, -
1:41 - 1:43made out of very specialized
cells called neurons -
1:43 - 1:45with very complex geometries,
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1:45 - 1:49and electrical currents will flow
through these complexly shaped neurons. -
1:50 - 1:52Furthermore, neurons
are connected in networks. -
1:52 - 1:56They're connected by little junctions
called synapses that exchange chemicals -
1:56 - 1:59and allow the neurons
to talk to each other. -
1:59 - 2:01The density of the brain is incredible.
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2:01 - 2:03In a cubic millimeter of your brain,
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2:03 - 2:05there are about 100,000 of these neurons
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2:05 - 2:08and maybe a billion of those connections.
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2:09 - 2:10But it's worse.
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2:10 - 2:13So, if you could zoom in to a neuron,
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2:13 - 2:15and, of course, this is just
our artist's rendition of it. -
2:15 - 2:20What you would see are thousands
and thousands of kinds of biomolecules, -
2:20 - 2:24little nanoscale machines
organized in complex, 3D patterns, -
2:24 - 2:27and together they mediate
those electrical pulses, -
2:27 - 2:31those chemical exchanges
that allow neurons to work together -
2:31 - 2:34to generate things like thoughts
and feelings and so forth. -
2:34 - 2:38Now, we don't know how
the neurons in the brain are organized -
2:38 - 2:39to form networks,
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2:39 - 2:42and we don't know how
the biomolecules are organized -
2:42 - 2:43within neurons
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2:43 - 2:45to form these complex, organized machines.
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2:46 - 2:48If we really want to understand this,
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2:48 - 2:50we're going to need new technologies.
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2:50 - 2:51But if we could get such maps,
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2:51 - 2:54if we could look at the organization
of molecules and neurons -
2:54 - 2:56and neurons and networks,
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2:56 - 2:59maybe we could really understand
how the brain conducts information -
2:59 - 3:01from sensory regions,
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3:01 - 3:02mixes it with emotion and feeling,
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3:02 - 3:05and generates our decisions and actions.
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3:05 - 3:09Maybe we could pinpoint the exact set
of molecular changes that occur -
3:09 - 3:10in a brain disorder.
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3:10 - 3:13And once we know how
those molecules have changed, -
3:13 - 3:16whether they've increased in number
or changed in pattern, -
3:16 - 3:19we could use those
as targets for new drugs, -
3:19 - 3:21for new ways of delivering
energy into the brain -
3:21 - 3:25in order to repair the brain
computations that are afflicted -
3:25 - 3:27in patients who suffer
from brain disorders. -
3:28 - 3:31We've all seen lots of different
technologies over the last century -
3:31 - 3:32to try to confront this.
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3:32 - 3:34I think we've all seen brain scans
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3:34 - 3:36taken using MRI machines.
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3:36 - 3:40These, of course, have the great power
that they are noninvasive, -
3:40 - 3:42they can be used on living human subjects.
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3:42 - 3:45But also, they're spatially crude.
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3:45 - 3:48Each of these blobs that you see,
or voxels, as they're called, -
3:48 - 3:50can contain millions
and millions of neurons. -
3:50 - 3:52So it's not at the level of resolution
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3:52 - 3:55where it can pinpoint
the molecular changes that occur -
3:55 - 3:57or the changes in the wiring
of these networks -
3:57 - 4:01that contributes to our ability
to be conscious and powerful beings. -
4:02 - 4:05At the other extreme,
you have microscopes. -
4:05 - 4:08Microscopes, of course, will use light
to look at little tiny things. -
4:08 - 4:11For centuries, they've been used
to look at things like bacteria. -
4:11 - 4:13For neuroscience,
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4:13 - 4:16microscopes are actually how neurons
were discovered in the first place, -
4:16 - 4:17about 130 years ago.
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4:17 - 4:20But light is fundamentally limited.
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4:20 - 4:23You can't see individual molecules
with a regular old microscope. -
4:23 - 4:25You can't look at these tiny connections.
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4:25 - 4:29So if we want to make our ability
to see the brain more powerful, -
4:29 - 4:31to get down to the ground truth structure,
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4:31 - 4:35we're going to need to have
even better technologies. -
4:36 - 4:38My group, a couple years ago,
started thinking: -
4:38 - 4:39Why don't we do the opposite?
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4:39 - 4:42If it's so darn complicated
to zoom in to the brain, -
4:42 - 4:44why can't we make the brain bigger?
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4:44 - 4:45It initially started
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4:45 - 4:48with two grad students in my group,
Fei Chen and Paul Tillberg. -
4:48 - 4:51Now many others in my group
are helping with this process. -
4:51 - 4:54We decided to try to figure out
if we could take polymers, -
4:54 - 4:56like the stuff in the baby diaper,
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4:56 - 4:58and install it physically
within the brain. -
4:58 - 5:00If we could do it just right,
and you add water, -
5:00 - 5:02you can potentially blow the brain up
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5:02 - 5:05to where you could distinguish
those tiny biomolecules from each other. -
5:05 - 5:08You would see those connections
and get maps of the brain. -
5:08 - 5:10This could potentially be quite dramatic.
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5:10 - 5:13We brought a little demo here.
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5:14 - 5:16We got some purified baby diaper material.
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5:16 - 5:18It's much easier
just to buy it off the Internet -
5:18 - 5:22than to extract the few grains
that actually occur in these diapers. -
5:22 - 5:24I'm going to put just one teaspoon here
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5:25 - 5:26of this purified polymer.
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5:27 - 5:29And here we have some water.
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5:29 - 5:31What we're going to do
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5:31 - 5:34is see if this teaspoon
of the baby diaper material -
5:34 - 5:35can increase in size.
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5:37 - 5:40You're going to see it increase in volume
by about a thousandfold -
5:40 - 5:42before your very eyes.
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5:50 - 5:52I could pour much more of this in there,
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5:52 - 5:53but I think you've got the idea
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5:53 - 5:56that this is a very,
very interesting molecule, -
5:56 - 5:58and if can use it in the right way,
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5:58 - 6:00we might be able
to really zoom in on the brain -
6:00 - 6:03in a way that you can't do
with past technologies. -
6:03 - 6:05OK. So a little bit of chemistry now.
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6:05 - 6:08What's going on
in the baby diaper polymer? -
6:08 - 6:09If you could zoom in,
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6:09 - 6:12it might look something like
what you see on the screen. -
6:12 - 6:17Polymers are chains of atoms
arranged in long, thin lines. -
6:17 - 6:18The chains are very tiny,
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6:18 - 6:20about the width of a biomolecule,
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6:20 - 6:22and these polymers are really dense.
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6:22 - 6:23They're separated by distances
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6:23 - 6:26that are around the size of a biomolecule.
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6:26 - 6:27This is very good
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6:27 - 6:30because we could potentially
move everything apart in the brain. -
6:30 - 6:32If we add water, what will happen is,
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6:32 - 6:34this swellable material
is going to absorb the water, -
6:34 - 6:37the polymer chains will move
apart from each other, -
6:37 - 6:39and the entire material
is going to become bigger. -
6:40 - 6:41And because these chains are so tiny
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6:41 - 6:44and spaced by biomolecular distances,
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6:44 - 6:46we could potentially blow up the brain
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6:46 - 6:47and make it big enough to see.
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6:48 - 6:49Here's the mystery, then:
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6:49 - 6:53How do we actually make
these polymer chains inside the brain -
6:53 - 6:55so we can move all the biomolecules apart?
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6:55 - 6:56If we could do that,
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6:56 - 6:59maybe we could get
ground truth maps of the brain. -
6:59 - 7:00We could look at the wiring.
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7:00 - 7:03We can peer inside
and see the molecules within. -
7:04 - 7:06To explain this, we made some animations
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7:06 - 7:09where we actually look
at, in these artist renderings, -
7:09 - 7:13what biomolecules might look
like and how we might separate them. -
7:13 - 7:15Step one: what we'd have
to do, first of all, -
7:15 - 7:19is attach every biomolecule,
shown in brown here, -
7:19 - 7:21to a little anchor, a little handle.
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7:21 - 7:24We need to pull the molecules
of the brain apart from each other, -
7:24 - 7:26and to do that, we need
to have a little handle -
7:26 - 7:29that allows those polymers to bind to them
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7:29 - 7:30and to exert their force.
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7:31 - 7:34Now, if you just take baby diaper
polymer and dump it on the brain, -
7:34 - 7:36obviously, it's going to sit there on top.
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7:37 - 7:39So we need to find a way
to make the polymers inside. -
7:39 - 7:41And this is where we're really lucky.
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7:41 - 7:43It turns out, you can
get the building blocks, -
7:43 - 7:44monomers, as they're called,
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7:44 - 7:46and if you let them go into the brain
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7:46 - 7:48and then trigger the chemical reactions,
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7:48 - 7:51you can get them to form
those long chains, -
7:51 - 7:53right there inside the brain tissue.
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7:53 - 7:56They're going to wind their way
around biomolecules -
7:56 - 7:57and between biomolecules,
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7:57 - 7:59forming those complex webs
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7:59 - 8:02that will allow you, eventually,
to pull apart the molecules -
8:02 - 8:03from each other.
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8:03 - 8:06And every time one
of those little handles is around, -
8:06 - 8:09the polymer will bind to the handle,
and that's exactly what we need -
8:09 - 8:12in order to pull the molecules
apart from each other. -
8:12 - 8:13All right, the moment of truth.
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8:13 - 8:16We have to treat this specimen
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8:16 - 8:19with a chemical to kind of loosen up
all the molecules from each other, -
8:19 - 8:21and then, when we add water,
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8:21 - 8:24that swellable material is going
to start absorbing the water, -
8:24 - 8:26the polymer chains will move apart,
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8:26 - 8:28but now, the biomolecules
will come along for the ride. -
8:28 - 8:31And much like drawing
a picture on a balloon, -
8:31 - 8:32and then you blow up the balloon,
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8:32 - 8:33the image is the same,
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8:34 - 8:36but the ink particles have moved
away from each other. -
8:36 - 8:40And that's what we've been able
to do now, but in three dimensions. -
8:40 - 8:42There's one last trick.
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8:42 - 8:43As you can see here,
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8:43 - 8:45we've color-coded
all the biomolecules brown. -
8:45 - 8:47That's because they all
kind of look the same. -
8:47 - 8:49Biomolecules are made
out of the same atoms, -
8:49 - 8:52but just in different orders.
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8:52 - 8:53So we need one last thing
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8:53 - 8:55in order to make them visible.
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8:55 - 8:56We have to bring in little tags,
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8:56 - 8:59with glowing dyes
that will distinguish them. -
8:59 - 9:02So one kind of biomolecule
might get a blue color. -
9:02 - 9:04Another kind of biomolecule
might get a red color. -
9:05 - 9:06And so forth.
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9:06 - 9:07And that's the final step.
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9:07 - 9:10Now we can look at something like a brain
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9:10 - 9:11and look at the individual molecules,
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9:12 - 9:14because we've moved them
far apart enough from each other -
9:14 - 9:16that we can tell them apart.
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9:16 - 9:19So the hope here is that
we can make the invisible visible. -
9:19 - 9:21We can turn things that might seem
small and obscure -
9:21 - 9:23and blow them up
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9:23 - 9:26until they're like constellations
of information about life. -
9:26 - 9:28Here's an actual video
of what it might look like. -
9:28 - 9:31We have here a little brain in a dish --
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9:31 - 9:32a little piece of a brain, actually.
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9:32 - 9:34We've infused the polymer in,
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9:34 - 9:35and now we're adding water.
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9:35 - 9:38What you'll see is that,
right before your eyes -- -
9:38 - 9:40this video is sped up about sixtyfold --
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9:40 - 9:43this little piece of brain tissue
is going to grow. -
9:43 - 9:46It can increase by a hundredfold
or even more in volume. -
9:46 - 9:49And the cool part is, because
those polymers are so tiny, -
9:49 - 9:51we're separating biomolecules
evenly from each other. -
9:51 - 9:53It's a smooth expansion.
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9:53 - 9:56We're not losing the configuration
of the information. -
9:56 - 9:58We're just making it easier to see.
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9:59 - 10:02So now we can take
actual brain circuitry -- -
10:02 - 10:05here's a piece of the brain
involved with, for example, memory -- -
10:05 - 10:06and we can zoom in.
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10:06 - 10:09We can start to actually look at
how circuits are configured. -
10:09 - 10:11Maybe someday we could read out a memory.
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10:11 - 10:14Maybe we could actually look
at how circuits are configured -
10:14 - 10:15to process emotions,
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10:15 - 10:18how the actual wiring
of our brain is organized -
10:18 - 10:20in order to make us who we are.
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10:20 - 10:22And of course, we can pinpoint, hopefully,
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10:22 - 10:26the actual problems in the brain
at a molecular level. -
10:26 - 10:28What if we could actually
look into cells in the brain -
10:28 - 10:31and figure out, wow, here are the 17
molecules that have altered -
10:31 - 10:35in this brain tissue that has been
undergoing epilepsy -
10:35 - 10:36or changing in Parkinson's disease
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10:37 - 10:38or otherwise being altered?
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10:38 - 10:41If we get that systematic list
of things that are going wrong, -
10:41 - 10:43those become our therapeutic targets.
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10:43 - 10:45We can build drugs that bind those.
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10:45 - 10:48We can maybe aim energy
at different parts of the brain -
10:48 - 10:50in order to help people
with Parkinson's or epilepsy -
10:50 - 10:53or other conditions that affect
over a billion people -
10:53 - 10:54around the world.
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10:55 - 10:57Now, something interesting
has been happening. -
10:57 - 11:00It turns out that throughout biomedicine,
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11:00 - 11:03there are other problems
that expansion might help with. -
11:03 - 11:06This is an actual biopsy
from a human breast cancer patient. -
11:07 - 11:09It turns out that if you look at cancers,
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11:09 - 11:10if you look at the immune system,
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11:10 - 11:13if you look at aging,
if you look at development -- -
11:13 - 11:17all these processes are involving
large-scale biological systems. -
11:17 - 11:21But of course, the problems begin
with those little nanoscale molecules, -
11:21 - 11:25the machines that make the cells
and the organs in our body tick. -
11:25 - 11:28So what we're trying
to do now is to figure out -
11:28 - 11:31if we can actually use this technology
to map the building blocks of life -
11:31 - 11:33in a wide variety of diseases.
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11:33 - 11:36Can we actually pinpoint
the molecular changes in a tumor -
11:36 - 11:38so that we can actually
go after it in a smart way -
11:38 - 11:42and deliver drugs that might wipe out
exactly the cells that we want to? -
11:42 - 11:44You know, a lot of medicine
is very high risk. -
11:44 - 11:46Sometimes, it's even guesswork.
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11:47 - 11:51My hope is we can actually turn
what might be a high-risk moon shot -
11:51 - 11:52into something that's more reliable.
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11:52 - 11:54If you think about the original moon shot,
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11:54 - 11:56where they actually landed on the moon,
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11:56 - 11:58it was based on solid science.
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11:58 - 11:59We understood gravity;
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11:59 - 12:01we understood aerodynamics.
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12:01 - 12:02We knew how to build rockets.
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12:02 - 12:05The science risk was under control.
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12:05 - 12:07It was still a great, great
feat of engineering. -
12:07 - 12:10But in medicine, we don't
necessarily have all the laws. -
12:10 - 12:13Do we have all the laws
that are analogous to gravity, -
12:13 - 12:16that are analogous to aerodynamics?
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12:16 - 12:17I would argue that with technologies
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12:17 - 12:19like the kinds I'm talking about today,
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12:19 - 12:21maybe we can actually derive those.
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12:21 - 12:24We can map the patterns
that occur in living systems, -
12:24 - 12:28and figure out how to overcome
the diseases that plague us. -
12:29 - 12:32You know, my wife and I
have two young kids, -
12:32 - 12:35and one of my hopes as a bioengineer
is to make life better for them -
12:35 - 12:37than it currently is for us.
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12:37 - 12:40And my hope is, if we can
turn biology and medicine -
12:40 - 12:45from these high-risk endeavors
that are governed by chance and luck, -
12:45 - 12:49and make them things
that we win by skill and hard work, -
12:49 - 12:51then that would be a great advance.
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12:51 - 12:52Thank you very much.
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12:52 - 13:02(Applause)
- Title:
- A new way to study the brain's invisible secrets
- Speaker:
- Ed Boyden
- Description:
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Neuroengineer Ed Boyden wants to know how the tiny biomolecules in our brains generate emotions, thoughts and feelings -- and he wants to find the molecular changes that lead to disorders like epilepsy and Alzheimer's. Rather than magnify these invisible structures with a microscope, he wondered: What if we physically enlarge them and make them easier to see? Learn how the same polymers used to make baby diapers swell could be a key to better understanding our brains.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 13:15
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