Nicholas Carr's 'The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains'
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0:00 - 0:03JEFFREY BROWN: Hello, I'm Jeffrey Brown. Welcome to Art Beat at the PBS NewsHour.
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0:03 - 0:10Joining me today is Nicholas Carr, author of "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains."
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0:10 - 0:14This began with a provocative article a couple of years ago titled,
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0:14 - 0:19"Is Google Making Us Stupid?" Now I wonder did you expect the kind of backlash that that provoked?
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0:19 - 0:25NICHOLAS CARR: I didn't. When I wrote that article, I really saw it as a personal essay
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0:25 - 0:32about my own experience in using the Internet and how it was influencing the way I personally think.
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0:32 - 0:38I was quite surprised about the controversy the article set off.
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0:38 - 0:44JEFFREY BROWN: But for you this started in a very personal way right? By what you saw happening to your own thinking.
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0:44 - 0:49NICHOLAS CARR: Yeah, it was back in about 2007, and I had been on, like a lot people,
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0:49 - 0:54had been using the Internet a lot for about 10 years by then,
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0:54 - 1:01and obviously had received all the great benefits we get when we go online, but I noticed that
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1:01 - 1:07I was losing my ability to concentrate, and I particularly noticed it when I'd sit down, for instance,
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1:07 - 1:15to read a book, something that used to come completely naturally to me. I'd get a couple of paragraphs in or
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1:15 - 1:19a couple of pages in, and my mind wanted to behave the way it behaves when I'm online;
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1:19 - 1:26jumping from page to page, checking email, clicking on links, doing Googling.
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1:26 - 1:34That inspired me to start to think about how the technologies we use in our day-to-day lives like
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1:34 - 1:38the net can influence actually the way that we think.
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1:38 - 1:43JEFFREY BROWN: So you went to look at the research on neuroscience, and a lot of the book takes us through that.
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1:43 - 1:47What was the key thing you found in terms of the impact of the internet?
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1:47 - 1:51One thing you talk about is this idea called plasticity.
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1:53 - 1:56NICHOLAS CARR: Right, and one of the curious things about my own experience
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1:56 - 2:01was that the time I spent online seemed to be influencing the way I think
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2:01 - 2:06even when I wasn't in front of a computer, when I was sitting down and trying to read or trying to concentrate.
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2:06 - 2:14What I found is the recent discoveries about what brain scientists call neuroplasticity
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2:14 - 2:20really helped kind of unravel that conundrum, because what brain scientists have discovered
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2:20 - 2:26over the last couple of decades is that even as adults our brains are very malleable,
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2:26 - 2:33very plastic and they are constantly adapting down at the cellular level to what we use our minds for,
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2:33 - 2:42to our environment and so forth. What we can I think theorize is that as we train our brains
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2:42 - 2:48to take in information very, very quickly in a very interrupted, distracted way,
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2:48 - 2:53little bits of it come at us all the time, the way we experience it online
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2:53 - 3:00that strengthens those parts of our brain that are good at multitasking and good at zipping up,
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3:00 - 3:06shifting our focus very, very quickly. On the other hand, we are not exercising those parts of our brain
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3:06 - 3:13that are involved in deep concentration, deep attentiveness, things like contemplation and reflection.
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3:13 - 3:19And so what happens in the brain is that what we use gets stronger,
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3:19 - 3:23the actual cellular connections, and what we don't use weaken.
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3:23 - 3:30JEFFREY BROWN: What are we losing in terms of our thinking process, our ability to think more deeply?
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3:30 - 3:39NICHOLAS CARR: What we're losing is the ability to pay deep attention to one thing over a prolonged period of time.
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3:39 - 3:46It can be a long book, it can be listening to or engaging in a long conversation without
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3:46 - 3:54checking your iPhone or your BlackBerry all the time. Any kind of thought process that requires
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3:54 - 4:00focus on one thing is what is being disrupted and, unfortunately what another thing
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4:00 - 4:05brain science tells us is that the process of paying attention, paying deep attention,
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4:05 - 4:13activates a lot of our deepest thought processes, our long term memory,
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4:13 - 4:19our building of conceptual knowledge, critical thinking, all of those things hinge on our ability to pay attention.
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4:19 - 4:25JEFFREY BROWN: Is it also possible, though, that the gadgets that are connecting us to the internet are
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4:25 - 4:32themselves evolving perhaps in ways that might help us in the future? I've seen some suggestions, for example,
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4:32 - 4:37that on the iPad people are spending more time on a particular application
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4:37 - 4:45rather than flitting around, as you worry. So is there a chance that gadgets will perhaps help us?
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4:45 - 4:49NICHOLAS CARR: I think it would be nice to think that these will evolve in a way
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4:49 - 4:55that return us to our attention span, but unfortunately I think the way they are going to evolve
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4:55 - 4:59is the way that the net has evolved up until now, which is pushing even more
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4:59 - 5:03distractions and interruptions on us pretty much all day long.
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5:03 - 5:06JEFFREY BROWN: Nicholas Carr is the author of "The Shallows." Thanks for joining us.
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5:06 - 5:08NICHOLAS CARR: Thanks, Jeff.
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5:08 - 5:13JEFFREY BROWN: And I'm Jeffrey Brown for Art Beat of the PBS NewsHour. Thank you for joining us.
- Title:
- Nicholas Carr's 'The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains'
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Read the transcript: http://bit.ly/bE90Os
Aug. 7, 2010 -- In his book, "The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains," author Nicholas Carr looks through the lens of neuroscience at how the Internet shapes our brains.
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