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OEB 2015 - Opening Plenary - David Price

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    (OFF) Thanks very much...
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    (David Price) This is the
    ever-shrinking presentation.
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    It was originally 25 minutes,
    last night it was 23,
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    now it's 22.
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    I've got a 40-minute presentation.
    I'm just going to speak twice as quickly.
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    No, I'm only kidding, it's only
    20, 22 minutes.
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    And I've got a thing to time it
    to make sure I don't go over.
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    About four months ago, I was diagnosed
    with cancer of the colon.
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    And what was it, seven weeks ago,
    I had the operation
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    which kind of went okay,
    got rid of the tumor.
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    But when the colon was reconnected,
    it sprung a leak
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    and I got a thing called sepsis,
    which I later discovered,
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    is fatal in 60% of the cases.
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    What essentially happens with sepsis is
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    the organs start to pack in,
    one after the other,
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    so my heart was fibrillating,
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    I lost, kidneys stopped working,
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    lungs stopped working,
    so they put me on a ventilator.
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    And my wife Claire
    who's here somewhere
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    was told to bring the family around,
    because they didn't expect me
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    to get through the weekend.
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    As you can see, I survived, and this is
    actually the first talk I've given
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    since I was in intensive care.
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    I was in intensive care for a week.
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    So, when a sick, no, no honest.
    (Applause)
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    But when I say I'm delighted to be here,
    I'm not just being polite.
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    (laughter)
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    I'm talking existentially
    rather than conversationally.
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    But I wanted to start with that story
    because, in that process of the journey
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    from diagnosis to operation,
    I met with some remarkable people:
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    on forums and interest groups,
    but I also visited and interviewed people.
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    So I interviewed some people
    in the Netherlands
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    who are treating their loved ones,
    who've got end-stage cancer.
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    They are lay people, computer technicians,
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    who, frankly, conventional medicine's
    given up, they're stage 4,
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    they said there is nothing more we can do,
    so they're administering
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    intravenous cocktails of drugs,
    some of which are approved,
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    some of which are off-patent,
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    some of which are off-label.
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    I visited a clinic, here in Germany,
    which I can't name, because
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    they're kind of operating in the shadows
    in fear that they'll be closed down.
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    And what it seemed to me,
    once I looked beyond health
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    is that this is a phenomenon
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    which is happening
    in all kinds of areas of public life,
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    that we're seeing what I call
    people-powered innovation.
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    And I think it presents a real challenge
    for institutions and organizations.
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    So, why is it important?
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    I think it's important because it's
    kind of a natural consequence
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    of the issues I talked about
    in my book "Open"
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    where, now that we're able to share and
    exchange knowledge, we're now at a point
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    where we want to do something about it,
    and we want now
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    to be more in control of our own lives.
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    But I think it's particularly important
    for the people who are in this room today:
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    educators and human resource people,
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    because one of the things that we're
    seeing is a major shift in the way
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    in which we accredit knowledge
    and competencies.
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    I don't know if any of you have read
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    Phillip Brown's excellent book
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    called "The Global Auction," but he talks
    about how our graduates are facing
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    a high-skilled, low-income future
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    because of globalization
    and a whole range of other issues.
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    And recently, Laszlo Bock who is in charge
    of People Operations at Google said this,
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    "Your degree is not a proxy
    for your ability to do any job.
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    "The world only cares about
    and pays off on
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    "what you can do with what you know
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    "and it doesn't care how you learned it."
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    So my point, I guess, is that
    unless we change the product,
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    we risk being dis-intermediated.
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    By that, I mean learners
    can find other ways
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    to get the knowledge and skills
    that they need.
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    And let's face it, the product hasn't
    really changed much in decades.
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    So I'd argue that the best way
    to stay relevant
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    is to involve users
    in the process of innovation.
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    So this is what I mean by
    people-powered innovation,
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    a process where users lead users,
    accelerate innovation
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    by either advocating
    for new products or services,
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    tinkering with existing products
    and services,
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    or creating new products
    and services from scratch.
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    That's my kind of working definition,
    based partly
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    on Eric von Hippel's definition
    of people-powered innovation.
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    So here's some examples.
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    The potato crisp,
    the humble potato chip
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    was invented in 1853 by a chef
    called George Crum
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    who worked at a restaurant in Saratoga.
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    Now he gets the credit for inventing it,
    but I think
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    it should go to the disgruntled diner
    in that restaurant
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    who kept sending the potatoes back,
    said that they were too thickly sliced.
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    And this kept going backwards
    and forwards
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    and eventually George Crum got really
    pissed off about this
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    and cooked them as thin as he could,
    burned them to a crisp,
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    smothered them in salt
    and then sent them out.
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    And the diner loved it.
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    So he thought, oh,
    we're on to something here
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    but he didn't take out a patent, in fact,
    none of these examples have been patented.
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    So, 1853, we've always had
    people-powered innovation.
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    In fact, you could argue that up until
    the Industrial Revolution,
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    that's all we had, we had
    people-powered innovation.
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    But if you bring it a wee bit
    more up to date
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    I don't know if you know
    the story of the skateboard
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    but it was something that surfers, facing
    a window where they couldn't surf,
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    it was the best kind of substitute.
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    So they took a pair of roller-skates,
    chopped them in two,
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    put wheels on either end of a plank
    of wood, and you had a skateboard.
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    So the skateboard industry is now worth
    $4.8 billion a year.
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    And a similar story happened
    with the mountain bike.
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    It was basically cannibalized from
    other forms of bikes
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    and developed entirely by users.
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    To bring it even more up to date,
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    I don't know if you're aware
    of this thing called Patreon?
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    It's been set up by Jack Conte
    who is a musician.
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    Certainly, he wouldn't have thought
    himself as a kind of entrepreneur
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    but it kind of recreates
    in the digital age
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    the 18th century notion
    of patronage for artists.
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    So you pay up artists,
    because you like their work.
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    And it has been a hugely successful
    venture for Jack.
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    And then one of the few companies
    that have really latched onto
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    people-powered innovation
    at a very early stage
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    is Proctor & Gamble, who have developed
    a thing called Connect and Develop
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    and that service now,
    which brings in innovations
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    from outside of the organization,
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    that constitutes about half
    of all their innovations.
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    So much so that Proctor & Gamble say:
    "Proudly found elsewhere."
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    That's their motto.
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    And I wonder how many of us working
    in universities could say the same thing,
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    or how many of us who are
    learning officers in companies?
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    So, where do we see
    people-powered innovation?
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    Well, you can go to any maker space
    and you'll see it,
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    visit forums or interest groups,
    even groups like Anonymous,
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    whatever you may think
    of their philosophy,
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    you can't deny their ingenuity
    and innovation.
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    And I've looked at a number of examples
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    and I've identified
    four common characteristics.
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    I'm going to quickly go through them.
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    The first is need.
    The second is jugaad.
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    Don't worry if it's not
    a familiar term to you.
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    Third is the hacker ethic
    and the fourth is a sense of agency.
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    Right. Very quick examples.
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    It's a cliché, but it's a cliché
    for a reason,
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    that invention is indeed the mother
    of necessity.
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    And you get people-powered innovation
    where the need is greatest.
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    So it's no accident that some of the
    most innovative things that we now see
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    now are happening in the developed world
    in slums and favelas.
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    So 85% of mobile transactions
    have actually originated
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    in developing countries.
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    And 50% of them were created by users.
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    And if you think about it, that's kind of
    paved the way for things like
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    Apple Pay and Samsung Wallet.
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    The first use of mobile banking
    was actually in the Philippines,
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    and what people did there was to take
    pay-as-you-go top-up vouchers,
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    take the code from them, text them
    to their friends and family
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    in other parts of the Philippines, and
    they used it as a kind of currency.
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    But they're not just turning air time
    into money,
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    they're turning shit into money too.
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    This is a genuine sign,
    I didn't make this up
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    but it says, if you can't read the bottom
    it says,
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    "Shit Business is Serious Business".
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    And there's a guy in Lagos in Nigeria
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    and Lagos has a big
    public health problem
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    because people are using
    the streets as a toilet
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    but there is a graphic artist
    called Isaac Agbetusin
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    who invented a thing that he called
    the Dignified Mobile Toilet.
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    They look like the kind of Portaloos
    that you see on building sites
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    but he's designed it, built it,
    delivers it to communities
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    and then they charge people
    ten cents to use them.
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    But that's only part of the story, because
    then the waste is collected
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    and turned into biogas which is sold
    to energy companies.
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    It's ingenious. He's getting profit at
    both ends of the transaction.
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    So that leads us
    to the second characteristic.
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    And it's this word jugaad.
    And if you're not familiar with it,
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    it's a Hindi term which kind of means
    it's making the most of what you've got.
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    So I don't know if you can see
    the photograph on the right.
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    That's an ox-powered two-story truck.
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    During the rainy season,
    of course people get drenched
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    so somebody found the cabin
    from an old truck, put it on.
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    There are people on the top deck
    of the truck, people on the bottom,
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    and they're staying dry.
    Making the most of what you've got.
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    But it's also this sense of jugaad
    as meaning "good enough".
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    What you see on the left
    is the world's first clay refrigerator.
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    It was created, again,
    by just an ordinary user.
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    And of course it doesn't work
    as well as a powered refrigerator
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    that we might have in the West.
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    It's cooled by cold water
    which cools the clay.
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    But when you've got temperatures
    of 45, 50 degrees in summer,
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    it's good enough.
    It keeps the produce cool enough
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    to be used, and it doesn't go off.
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    Here's some very quick examples
    of jugaad as well.
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    Guy on the top left,
    he's frying his breakfast
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    while he's listening to his MP3 player.
    (audience laughing)
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    Guys on the top right have designated
    the compartment a sleeper compartment.
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    They took a blanket and put it up
    as a hammock.
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    Guy at the bottom right.
    This is fascinating.
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    He's turned what we call in the U.K.
    a flip-flop, Australians call them thongs,
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    he's turned it into a gun holster.
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    I don't know what he's doing
    with the other flip-flop.
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    And the guy on the bottom left
    has invented a kind of hands-free kit.
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    (audience laughing)
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    It's just a handkerchief with
    a mobile phone.
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    I hope to God he's cut a couple
    of holes out in the front.
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    But what we're seeing is that
    jugaad principles
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    are now being adopted
    by Western countries.
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    And if you think about it,
    a company like Google
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    when it talks about everything's
    (mumbles), fail fast and integrate
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    that's a kind of jugaad approach
    to innovation.
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    And when jugaad meets
    the next characteristic,
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    I think things get really interesting.
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    So when you combine a hacker ethic
    with jugaad,
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    I think you then start or rub up against
    what I would call
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    one of the biggest blockers
    to people-powered innovation,
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    and that's a kind of overly-strict
    regulatory framework.
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    And it's put there on the premise
    of protecting us and maintaining quality.
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    Now I'm assuming you all know the story
    of Wikipedia, so I'll give you
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    the truncated version.
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    When it was first started,
    it was called Newpedia
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    and they commissioned a bunch
    of academics to write articles
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    which were then going to be
    peer-reviewed to maintain the quality.
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    And two years into its existence,
    Newpedia had to close
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    cause it had a grand total of 25 articles,
    cause people had spent all that time
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    arguing about whether
    the article was good enough.
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    So it became Wikipedia,
    and as you know, Jimmy Wales then said,
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    "To hell with this.
    I'll make it open source.
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    "Anybody can write this.
    It will be good enough.
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    "And people can hack it
    and improve it."
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    But what's less commonly known
    is that Wikipedia wasn't
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    the kind of direct successor
    to Newpedia.
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    It sort of forked, and alongside Wikipedia
    was a thing called Citizendium.
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    Now, could you just put your hand up
    if you've ever used Wikipedia?
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    Yeah, pretty much everybody.
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    Can you put your hand up if
    you've used Citizendium?
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    Yes, and that's because
    they insisted on peer review.
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    And if you go on the Citizendium website,
    they've got something like 160,000 articles
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    which have been commissioned,
    and 106 of them, I think it is,
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    have actually been released for citation.
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    So, I don't know what's happening
    for all the rest, but it seems to me
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    there's a lesson here
    for academic publishing
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    because I don't believe peer review,
    unless it's open source,
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    does anything other than obstruct
    research and innovation and not advance it.
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    So here's an example from education,
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    which is what I'd consider
    to be jugaad in the hacker ethic.
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    There's a college in London
    called the School for Communication Arts.
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    It's run by a maverick called Marc Lewis,
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    and it serves the advertising industry.
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    Now, it provides tertiary-level courses
    but they're not degrees
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    because he can't get validated.
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    Why can't he get validated?
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    Because Marc invites people
    to hack its own programs,
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    and he does it via this.
    He has a thing called the Curriculum Wiki.
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    So if you're in the advertising industry,
    and you think that there's
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    a particular skill which is not being developed,
    or there's some new processes and practices,
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    or if you're a student,
    or indeed a member of the public,
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    you can put up on the Curriculum Wiki
    what you think should be taught,
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    and Marc and his staff there
    will guarantee to turn that
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    into a set of learning outcomes
    with a syllabus.
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    And they'll have it up and running
    within six weeks.
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    Now of course, that means
    that it can't get validation,
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    because in the U.K.,
    universities want to know
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    what your program's going to be
    in five years' time.
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    He doesn't know what they're going
    to be doing in five weeks' time,
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    but he doesn't care because
    all the students get jobs.
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    They've got 100% employability rate.
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    So that's a case of, I think,
    the kind of regulatory frameworks
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    that we've got coming up against
    innovation and people-powered innovation.
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    And it seems to me that
    that sense of agency is really important.
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    In most examples of formal learning,
    it seems to me we've promoted
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    a kind of learned dependence.
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    We're the experts.
    You're the learners.
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    And if you want to progress
    to the next level,
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    then you're going to need us.
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    And then along came the biggest,
    disruptive innovation
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    since chewing gum in education,
    and that's YouTube.
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    And everybody suddenly went,
    "Hmm, maybe we don't need you guys
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    "as much as we thought we did."
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    And YouTube begat MOOCs.
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    And then the new mantra became
    "Any lecturer that can be replaced
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    "by a YouTube video, will be."
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    But whilst MOOCs and online learning allow
    learners to hack their education, sort of,
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    they don't yet build community
    or a sense of learner agency.
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    And I believe that building learner
    agency will be the next big development
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    in learning, because that's what we see
    in social learning now.
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    And learners expect that
    that agency in formal learning
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    is also going to be there.
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    So, it's not hard to do.
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    We just need to adopt social learning's
    six key motivations
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    which I talk about in the book.
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    And there's a whole other talk
    to go through these
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    but I'll just quickly list them.
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    So, a sense of do-it-yourself.
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    There's a great deal of autonomy
    in social learning.
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    You all know that because
    that's how you communicate.
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    I know I'm preaching to the converted here.
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    Second is immediacy.
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    There's what Lillian Katz called
    a horizontal relevance about learning
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    because you're getting the knowledge
    that you need now
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    to solve the challenge
    that you've got
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    rather than just-in-case
    at some point in the future.
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    There's an obvious sense
    of collegiality, do it with friends.
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    It's now the case that if you're
    on Twitter or Yammer,
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    you've probably got your closest
    collaborator on the other side
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    of the world, rather than
    on the other side of the office.
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    And then, there's a sense of playfulness
    about all of this stuff.
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    Then we get into the contentious ones.
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    Do unto others.
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    Now, I know that social media
    has got bullies, got trolls,
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    and there are bad people out there
    who do bad things,
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    but that's the stuff that gets reported.
  • 17:02 - 17:05
    What doesn't get reported
    are the million random acts of kindness
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    which happen every day because of
    that sense of generosity
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    which is powering the learning.
  • 17:11 - 17:12
    And similarly, for the last one.
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    There's a high visibility about the
    learning which is happening
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    in the social space which isn't
    being replicated, I would argue,
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    in the formal learning space.
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    Companies and universities
    get very nervous about the learning
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    being open to the rest of the world.
  • 17:28 - 17:32
    But I think these six qualities
    of social learning are
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    the means by which those communities
    develop a sense of agency.
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    And I'd argue that we need to think
    about how many of these
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    we can bring in to our formal
    learning programs.
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    And it's really encouraging to see
    the presentations that are scheduled
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    for the next couple of days,
    particularly the ones which
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    are about peer learning.
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    So they're the four kind of
    common characteristics
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    behind people-powered
    innovation.
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    I'm now, only got a couple of
    minutes left, so let's just finish
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    with perhaps three things
    that we could do
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    to develop more people-powered
    innovation.
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    First is don't be afraid of the pro-am.
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    The poster boy these days
    for the pro-am is this kid.
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    Just put your hand up
    if you recognize this kid.
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    Oh, not many.
    His name's Jack Andraka.
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    When he was fifteen,
    he came up with a biomarker
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    for pancreatic cancer because
    the need was there.
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    A close member of his family died
    of pancreatic cancer
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    because it wasn't spotted early enough.
  • 18:26 - 18:30
    So Jack came up, did all his research
    on Google and Wikipedia.
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    He calls them "teenager's two best friends."
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    And then he reached a point where
    he needed lab space.
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    So he wrote to 200 universities
    in America
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    and 199 of them turned him down.
  • 18:43 - 18:46
    They couldn't see what a 15-year-old
    could possibly tell them
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    about pancreatic cancer, I mean,
    he didn't even have a master's.
  • 18:50 - 18:52
    So how would he possibly be able
    to help them?
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    Now fortunately, one did,
    and that was Johns Hopkins.
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    And it's ready to go into production now,
    this biomarker.
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    But here again, he's come up,
    he's incredibly frustrated
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    because he's come up against
    regulatory framework
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    which is not allowing this thing
    to be made available
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    because of the ridiculous clinical
    trial system that we've got.
  • 19:11 - 19:13
    And it's going to be five,
    possibly ten years,
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    before this is now made available.
  • 19:16 - 19:18
    And as Jack says, "How many
    more people are going to die
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    "as a result of that?"
  • 19:21 - 19:23
    So that's one,
    don't be afraid of the pro-am,
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    and obviously,
    de-regulate where possible.
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    Welcome those education hackers.
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    But then finally, I think we've just
    not got to be in denial about this.
  • 19:32 - 19:35
    Since "Open" was published,
    I've worked with a lot of companies
  • 19:35 - 19:39
    and universities, and I go in
    and I tell them about the risks
  • 19:39 - 19:41
    of being dis-intermediated.
  • 19:41 - 19:44
    But I sense this kind of collective
    denial going on.
  • 19:44 - 19:47
    And it's understandable because
    for a long time,
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    learners had nowhere else to go.
  • 19:49 - 19:53
    And we've had a kind of monopoly
    for the past hundred years or more,
  • 19:53 - 19:57
    but the time to open up education
    is here and it's now,
  • 19:57 - 20:02
    and we have to involve users
    in redefining what we do.
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    So I began by talking about
    my recent cancer treatment.
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    And when I was first diagnosed, I had
    my first meeting with the oncologist.
  • 20:11 - 20:13
    And as you can imagine,
    I had done a ton of research
  • 20:13 - 20:16
    because I'm a hypochondriac,
    I don't mind admitting it.
  • 20:16 - 20:19
    The only consolation about
    being a hypochondriac
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    is that eventually you're proven right.
    (audience laughs)
  • 20:23 - 20:29
    So I was talking to the oncologist, and I
    said, "What are the alternatives to surgery?"
  • 20:29 - 20:33
    "What are going to be the side effects
    of chemotherapy, if I have to have it?"
  • 20:33 - 20:35
    And he was getting more
    and more frustrated.
  • 20:35 - 20:37
    I asked about holistic treatments.
  • 20:37 - 20:39
    Eventually, he kind of snapped
    at me, and he said,
  • 20:39 - 20:44
    "Look, just have the surgery.
    Don't overthink this."
  • 20:44 - 20:48
    Now, when a doctor tells you
    to not overthink it,
  • 20:48 - 20:51
    I would strongly recommend
    you find another doctor,
  • 20:51 - 20:53
    because that's the kind of
    Apple philosophy.
  • 20:53 - 20:55
    "You know, we've done
    all the research and the design.
  • 20:55 - 20:58
    "You should just be grateful
    that we're letting you buy it."
  • 20:58 - 21:03
    But one of these forums that I was on,
    the one I was telling you about
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    that are operating kind of
    on the boundaries,
  • 21:07 - 21:11
    go on there regularly, and this oncologist
    joined in on the conversation.
  • 21:11 - 21:13
    And people woke up smart,
    and they said,
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    "But we never get professionals
    coming on this forum."
  • 21:16 - 21:18
    And the oncologist said, "Well,
    it's really important
  • 21:18 - 21:20
    "that this dialogue takes place."
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    And I remember what he said.
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    He said, "Those who seek answers
    need to be part of the solution."
  • 21:27 - 21:31
    So I hope you'll think how you
    can bring more people-powered innovation
  • 21:31 - 21:35
    into your own learning programs, and
    enable people to be part of the solution.
  • 21:35 - 21:37
    Thanks very much for listening.
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    (applause)
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    - David, thank you very much, indeed.
    You're great, at 23 minutes,
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    so thank you very much indeed
    for making that happen.
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    And some of these questions
    actually will be applicable
  • 21:54 - 21:57
    for Cory and for Ian as well, so you
    may want to pick them up
  • 21:57 - 21:59
    in your remarks too.
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    But let me just reflect some of
    the comments that we've been getting,
  • 22:01 - 22:02
    and there you can see the address.
  • 22:02 - 22:04
    I can take many more if you want.
  • 22:04 - 22:07
    This one from Alejandro Molini.
  • 22:07 - 22:13
    The shift to a new age of opportunity,
    what exactly is this shift towards?
  • 22:14 - 22:16
    - Well, I think that's a bigger question.
  • 22:16 - 22:21
    That's a question that I asked myself when
    I looked at the overall theme for today.
  • 22:21 - 22:26
    But certainly as far as the thing that I
    was talking about, for me
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    it is this shift towards knowledge
    is becoming more open.
  • 22:30 - 22:34
    It's a curious kind of battle which is
    constantly taking place
  • 22:34 - 22:38
    cause I think Cory will be talking
    to some extent about institutions
  • 22:38 - 22:42
    and how they're making it difficult
    for that knowledge to be shared.
  • 22:42 - 22:46
    But I think what we've seen over
    the past ten years, is a desire
  • 22:46 - 22:48
    for people to have more control
    over their lives,
  • 22:48 - 22:52
    and the implication behind all that,
    which is why I think dis-intermediation
  • 22:52 - 22:56
    is such a powerful implication.
  • 22:56 - 22:59
    If you're part of the music industry,
    you never thought that you'd be done out.
  • 22:59 - 23:02
    If you were a travel agent, you never
    really thought that people
  • 23:02 - 23:04
    would want to organize their
    own holidays.
  • 23:04 - 23:08
    If you're a taxi driver, you probably
    didn't see Uber coming.
  • 23:08 - 23:11
    But that to me is part of that shift.
  • 23:11 - 23:15
    - What about this comment from
    Maria Ebro?
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    A very interesting talk, but how do
    you ensure confidentiality?
  • 23:19 - 23:23
    How do you balance control
    versus innovation?
  • 23:23 - 23:26
    - Yep, there is no easy answer to that.
  • 23:26 - 23:33
    And when I talk about regulatory
    frameworks, of course you wouldn't want
  • 23:33 - 23:36
    to get on a plane and wonder if
    the pilot was actually somebody
  • 23:36 - 23:39
    who previously was sitting
    in the back row.
  • 23:39 - 23:43
    There are some needs for that
    regulatory framework,
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    but I think we've gone too far.
  • 23:45 - 23:49
    And now that knowledge is
    everywhere, it's possible that
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    the next big breakthroughs
    in a lot of these areas
  • 23:52 - 23:53
    will come from laypeople.
  • 23:53 - 23:57
    I just think that what happens currently
    is that we shut those people out
  • 23:57 - 24:02
    of the conversation, and we need to work
    with them, as Proctor & Gamble did.
  • 24:02 - 24:06
    - But do you see this as a genuinely
    serious problem, the issue of balancing
  • 24:06 - 24:08
    control and innovation?
  • 24:08 - 24:11
    - Well absolutely, but we were just
    talking about this earlier when we
  • 24:11 - 24:15
    were talking about the Google DNS thing,
    and Google then potentially have access
  • 24:15 - 24:19
    to a lot of confidential information.
  • 24:19 - 24:22
    There's almost a sense in which, I think,
    the younger generation,
  • 24:22 - 24:29
    anybody under the age of 20-25 has almost
    given up on the notion of confidentiality.
  • 24:29 - 24:35
    I think people, and it's not always in
    their best interests, but I think people
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    are recognizing that perhaps they've just
    got to give some of that information away,
  • 24:41 - 24:43
    and you have to trust some of those
    organizations,
  • 24:43 - 24:45
    but there's no easy answer to this.
  • 24:45 - 24:50
    I think it's constantly in play, it's
    constantly in flux, this tension.
  • 24:50 - 24:53
    - All right, I'm trying to reflect as many
    of your thoughts as are coming to me
  • 24:53 - 24:55
    at the moment, so we're moving
    all over the place.
  • 24:55 - 24:59
    What about this from Alex Anesteciadas.
  • 24:59 - 25:05
    Where do we see people-powered
    innovation going now?
  • 25:05 - 25:09
    - I'd love to see more of it in education
    because I think it is one of the areas.
  • 25:09 - 25:10
    - How can that be achieved?
  • 25:10 - 25:14
    - How can it be achieved?
    It can be achieved by strategic decisions
  • 25:14 - 25:17
    by organizations that they're going
    to work with.
  • 25:17 - 25:21
    I just started working with the largest
    bank in Ireland, and they took
  • 25:21 - 25:26
    a conscious decision their services
    hadn't changed much in about 30 years.
  • 25:26 - 25:30
    And so they need people to help them
    redesign those services.
  • 25:30 - 25:34
    But that has to come from the
    senior management,
  • 25:34 - 25:38
    recognizing that in most cases,
    the rate of innovation
  • 25:38 - 25:40
    cannot possibly keep up with the
    demand for change
  • 25:40 - 25:43
    that customers are exercising.
  • 25:43 - 25:46
    - There's a comment here which is really
    based around the generational challenge,
  • 25:46 - 25:49
    I suspect, from Ben Fisher.
  • 25:49 - 25:54
    How do we get all teachers now to work with
    this new reality, the new media,
  • 25:54 - 25:56
    the new digital space, to work
    with these new opportunities?
  • 25:56 - 25:59
    And it's something which I'm sure Cory
    and Ian would address as well.
  • 25:59 - 26:01
    Your view, David, at the moment.
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    - What I always say, and I do a lot of work
    in schools, and when people are trying
  • 26:08 - 26:12
    to bring in new innovations, particularly
    technologically-based ones,
  • 26:12 - 26:16
    is work with the enthusiasts and don't
    waste your time with the people
  • 26:16 - 26:20
    who are just not going to want to change
    no matter what happens.
  • 26:20 - 26:23
    We were having a conversation with a
    colleague from Australia.
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    (applause)
  • 26:24 - 26:30
    I can see people have got the scars
    where they've tried.
  • 26:30 - 26:33
    Colleague last night had just that problem.
  • 26:33 - 26:37
    You know that there are some people,
    and you can see the challenge.
  • 26:37 - 26:42
    They're in their 50s, 60s, and they've
    just decided they've learned enough stuff.
  • 26:42 - 26:44
    You know, it's like
    the Homer Simpson thing.
  • 26:44 - 26:47
    Every time I get a new piece of
    information, some more stuff
  • 26:47 - 26:49
    has got to go out of the brain
    to make way for it.
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    - You're being very defeatist,
    aren't you?
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    - I'm not. I'm just know that if you
    want innovation to happen,
  • 26:56 - 26:58
    you've got to protect it
    and nurture it,
  • 26:58 - 27:02
    and that the best way to do that
    is to create a safe space for innovation.
  • 27:02 - 27:05
    So I've worked in schools that will create
    these innovation pods,
  • 27:05 - 27:08
    and they have a simple rule where they
    say, "You don't have to be part
  • 27:08 - 27:11
    "of this innovation if you don't want to.
    The only thing you can't do
  • 27:11 - 27:15
    "is to say anything or do anything which
    is going to prevent it from taking place.
  • 27:15 - 27:19
    "If you don't want to be part of it, then
    at least step out of the way."
  • 27:19 - 27:23
    So I think that,
    because it's really hard
  • 27:23 - 27:26
    to get new innovations
    to happen in education.
  • 27:26 - 27:32
    Education has always progressed
    incrementally, and the problem is now,
  • 27:32 - 27:34
    the world's moving so fast that
    that incremental shift
  • 27:34 - 27:36
    isn't going to cut it anymore.
  • 27:36 - 27:38
    - This is coming through as a theme
    which I'm sure is in the back
  • 27:38 - 27:41
    of almost everyone's mind in the
    audience here, all the delegates,
  • 27:41 - 27:44
    but this is continuing this, David.
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    How can we integrate the shift in the
    organization's core as mainstream?
  • 27:49 - 27:52
    How can we change
    the working way of people,
  • 27:52 - 27:55
    change, appreciate the opportunities?
  • 27:55 - 27:58
    I'm interpreting now, this question.
  • 27:58 - 28:01
    - Well, again I come back
    to involving the learners.
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    I've kind of been involved in music
    education for a while
  • 28:06 - 28:10
    because I was a musician
    before I got a real job.
  • 28:10 - 28:18
    And one of the programs
    I introduced was pretty radical
  • 28:18 - 28:20
    because it was about starting
    with the kids' musical interests,
  • 28:20 - 28:23
    and at the time, teachers said,
    "But we don't know anything
  • 28:23 - 28:24
    "about hip-hop."
  • 28:24 - 28:26
    And I'd say to people, "Yes,
    but you've got a pair of ears.
  • 28:26 - 28:28
    "You can help these students."
  • 28:28 - 28:33
    I think what happens is that when
    educators see the impact
  • 28:33 - 28:36
    that it's having on students, that
    innovation is having on their lives,
  • 28:36 - 28:42
    you hope that most of them
    will accept the need to change.
  • 28:42 - 28:45
    And in the process of changing,
    it seems to me that
  • 28:45 - 28:47
    you're not just changing
    the pedagogy,
  • 28:47 - 28:51
    you're changing the relationship
    with your students.
  • 28:51 - 28:56
    And that is the big emotive pull,
    it seems to me, for educators.
  • 28:56 - 28:59
    When you become a learner
    alongside those students,
  • 28:59 - 29:02
    that fundamentally changes
    the nature of that relationship.
  • 29:02 - 29:08
    But we've become so used to seeing
    educators as the experts
  • 29:08 - 29:12
    that most people are terrified
    of taking that particular hat off
  • 29:12 - 29:14
    and putting the learner hat on.
  • 29:14 - 29:18
    - All right, David, one last question.
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    When will companies step up
    to the plate, based on something
  • 29:21 - 29:26
    you were saying earlier, and truly hire
    based on competence and not degrees?
  • 29:26 - 29:28
    That's from Daniel Evans,
    last question.
  • 29:28 - 29:32
    - Yeah, well, Google has now got,
    I think, Cory would know this.
  • 29:32 - 29:35
    Is it 14% of their hires now
    don't have a degree?
  • 29:35 - 29:38
    - I don't know the number,
    but what they've decided
  • 29:38 - 29:42
    is that they can get around the
    tight labor market,
  • 29:42 - 29:44
    where they're competing with
    Facebook for every new hire
  • 29:44 - 29:47
    and bidding them up, by hiring
    people Facebook wouldn't hire,
  • 29:47 - 29:49
    people without degrees who
    nevertheless do good work.
  • 29:49 - 29:52
    And they did double-blinded
    experiments internally
  • 29:52 - 29:54
    with their HR department that
    showed that the degrees
  • 29:54 - 29:56
    were irrelevant to the performance.
  • 29:56 - 29:58
    And so, they're doing what's
    commercially smart.
  • 29:58 - 30:01
    - Yeah, and I think there's a kind of
    trickle-down effect,
  • 30:01 - 30:06
    so Ernst & Young have said they are no
    longer going to hire people on degrees.
  • 30:06 - 30:09
    They've got other ways of assessing
    their competence and capability.
  • 30:09 - 30:12
    So I think we'll start to see this,
    increasingly so.
  • 30:12 - 30:18
    And also, as the currency of the degree,
    as what it means, diminishes,
  • 30:18 - 30:22
    and I do believe it will diminish,
    I think that people will start to say,
  • 30:22 - 30:28
    "Well, hang on, why are we simply
    hiring on the basis of a degree?"
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    So, I think it will take time,
    but it's on its way and it's inevitable.
  • 30:32 - 30:35
    - All right, David, thank you
    very much indeed.
  • 30:35 - 30:36
    - Thank you.
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  • Again, thanks a bunch, Cathy!
    Best wishes for this year.

  • Hi Claude,
    I enjoy thinking that somebody will enjoy this video. It was a pretty cool one about innovation. I'm already innovating my children's educations by homeschooling them. YouTube and other online things are amazing tools for future education. Lynda.com is a great tool for adults to learn new career skills as well.

    Happy 2016 to you too!

  • Hi again, Cathy,

    Re home schooling your children: you could use one of non language "Metadata" tracks (not Metadata: audiodescription, though, that one is really useful for scripting audio descriptions) to ask questions synced with a video, and have your children answer there: it'll create awfully long pseudo-subtitles, but it doesn't matter.

    Best

    Claude

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