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How do you explain consciousness?

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    Right now
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    you have a movie playing inside your head.
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    It's an amazing multi-track movie.
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    It has 3D vision and surround sound
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    for what you're seeing and hearing right now,
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    but that's just the start of it.
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    Your movie has smell and taste and touch.
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    It has a sense of your body,
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    pain, hunger, orgasms.
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    It has emotions,
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    anger, and happiness.
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    It has memories, like scenes from your childhood
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    playing before you.
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    And it has this constant voiceover narrative
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    in your stream of conscious thinking.
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    At the heart of this movie is you
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    experiencing all this directly.
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    This movie is your stream of consciousness,
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    the subject of experience
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    of the mind and the world.
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    Consciousness is one of the fundamental facts
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    of human existence.
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    Each of us is conscious.
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    We all have our own inner movie,
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    you and you and you.
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    There's nothing we know about more directly.
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    At least, I know about my consciousness directly.
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    I can't be certain that you guys are conscious.
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    Consciousness also is what makes life worth living.
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    If we weren't conscious, nothing in our lives
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    would have meaning or value.
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    But at the same time, it's the most
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    mysterious phenomenon in the universe.
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    Why are we conscious?
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    Why do we have these inner movies?
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    Why aren't we just robots
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    who process all this input,
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    produce all that output,
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    without experiencing the inner movie at all?
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    Right now, nobody knows the answers
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    to those questions.
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    I'm going to suggest that to integrate consciousness
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    into science, some radical ideas may be needed.
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    Some people say a science of consciousness
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    is impossible.
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    Science, by its nature, is objective.
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    Consciousness, by its nature, is subjective.
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    So there can never be a science of consciousness.
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    For much of the 20th century, that view held sway.
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    Psychologists studied behavior objectively,
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    neuroscientists studied the brain objectively,
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    and nobody even mentioned consciousness.
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    Even 30 years ago, when TED got started,
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    there was very little scientific work
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    on consciousness.
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    Now, about 20 years ago,
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    all that began to change.
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    Neuroscientists like Francis Crick
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    and physicists like Roger Penrose
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    said now is the time for science
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    to attack consciousness.
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    And since then, there's been a real explosion,
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    a flowering of scientific work
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    on consciousness.
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    And this work has been wonderful. It's been great.
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    But it also has some fundamental
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    limitations so far.
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    The centerpiece
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    of the science of consciousness in recent years
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    has been the search for correlations,
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    correlations between certain areas of the brain
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    and certain states of consciousness.
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    We saw some of this kind of work
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    from Nancy Kanwisher and the wonderful work
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    she presented just a few minutes ago.
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    Now we understand much better, for example,
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    the kinds of brain areas that go along with
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    the conscious experience of seeing faces
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    or of feeling pain
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    or of feeling happy.
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    But this is still a science of correlations.
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    It's not a science of explanations.
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    We know that these brain areas
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    go along with certain kinds of conscious experience,
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    but we don't know why they do.
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    I like to put this by saying
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    that this kind of work from neuroscience
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    is answering some of the questions
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    we want answered about consciousness,
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    the questions about what certain brain areas do
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    and what they correlate with.
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    But in a certain sense, those are the easy problems.
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    No knock on the neuroscientists.
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    There are no truly easy
    problems with consciousness.
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    But it doesn't address the real mystery
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    at the core of this subject:
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    why is it that all that physical processing in a brain
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    should be accompanied by consciousness at all?
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    Why is there this inner subjective movie?
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    Right now, we don't really have a bead on that.
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    And you might say,
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    let's just give neuroscience a few years.
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    It'll turn out to be another emergent phenomenon
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    like traffic jams, like hurricanes,
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    like life, and we'll figure it out.
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    The classical cases of emergence
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    are all cases of emergent behavior,
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    how a traffic jam behaves,
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    how a hurricane functions,
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    how a living organism reproduces
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    and adapts and metabolizes,
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    all questions about objective functioning.
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    You could apply that to the human brain
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    in explaining some of the behaviors
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    and the functions of the human brain
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    as emergent phenomena:
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    how we walk, how we talk, how we play chess,
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    all these questions about behavior.
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    But when it comes to consciousness,
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    questions about behavior
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    are among the easy problems.
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    When it comes to the hard problem,
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    that's the question of why is it
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    that all this behavior
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    is accompanied by subjective experience?
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    And here, the standard paradigm
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    of emergence,
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    even the standard paradigms of neuroscience,
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    don't really so far have that much to say.
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    Now, I'm a scientific materialist at heart.
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    I want a scientific theory of consciousness
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    that works,
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    and for a long time, I banged my head
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    against the wall
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    looking for a theory of consciousness
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    in purely physical terms
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    that would work.
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    But I eventually came to the conclusion
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    that that just didn't work for systematic reasons.
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    It's a long story,
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    but the core idea is just that what you get
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    from purely reductionist explanations
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    in physical terms, in brain-based terms,
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    is stories about the functioning of a system,
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    its structure, its dynamics,
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    the behavior it produces,
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    great for solving the easy problems
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    — how we behave, how we function —
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    but when it comes to subjective experience
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    — why does all this feel like
    something from the inside? —
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    that's something fundamentally new,
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    and it's always a further question.
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    So I think we're at kind of impasse here.
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    We've got this wonderful great chain of explanation,
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    we're used to it, where physics explains chemistry,
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    chemistry explains biology,
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    biology explains parts of psychology.
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    But consciousness
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    doesn't seem to fit into this picture.
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    On the one hand, it's a datum
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    that we're conscious.
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    On the other hand, we don't know how
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    to accommodate it into our
    scientific view of the world.
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    So I think consciousness right now
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    is a kind of anomaly,
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    one that we need to integrate
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    into our view of the world, but we don't yet see how.
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    Faced with anomaly like this,
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    radical ideas may be needed,
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    and I think that we may need one or two ideas
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    that initially seem crazy
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    before we can come to grips with consciousness
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    scientifically.
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    Now, there are a few candidates
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    for what those crazy ideas might be.
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    My friend Dan Dennett, who's here today, has one.
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    His crazy idea is that there is no hard problem
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    of consciousness.
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    The whole idea of the inner subjective movie
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    involves a kind of illusion or confusion.
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    Actually, all we've got to do is explain
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    the objective functions, the behaviors of the brain,
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    and then we've explained everything
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    that needs to be explained.
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    Well I say, more power to him.
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    That's the kind of radical idea
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    that we need to explore
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    if you want to have a purely reductionist
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    brain-based theory of consciousness.
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    At the same time, for me and for many other people,
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    that view is a bit too close to simply
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    denying the datum of consciousness
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    to be satisfactory.
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    So I go in a different direction.
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    In the time remaining,
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    I want to explore two crazy ideas
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    that I think may have some promise.
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    The first crazy idea
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    is that consciousness is fundamental.
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    Physicists sometimes take
    some aspects of the universe
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    as fundamental building blocks:
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    space and time and mass.
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    They postulate fundamental laws governing them,
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    like the laws of gravity or of quantum mechanics.
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    These fundamental properties and laws
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    aren't explained in terms of anything more basic.
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    Rather, they're taken as primitive,
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    and you build up the world from there.
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    Now sometimes, the list of fundamentals expands.
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    In the 19th century, Maxwell figured out
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    that you can't explain electromagnetic phenomena
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    in terms of the existing fundamentals
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    — space, time, mass, Newton's laws —
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    so he postulated fundamental laws
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    of electromagnetism
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    and postulated electric charge
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    as a fundamental element
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    that those laws govern.
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    I think that's the situation we're in
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    with consciousness.
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    If you can't explain consciousness
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    in terms of the existing fundamentals
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    — space, time, mass, charge —
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    then as a matter of logic,
    you need to expand the list.
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    The natural thing to do is to postulate
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    consciousness itself as something fundamental,
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    a fundamental building block of nature.
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    This doesn't mean you suddenly
    can't do science with it.
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    This opens up the way for you to do science with it.
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    What we then need is to study
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    the fundamental laws governing consciousness,
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    the laws that connect consciousness
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    to other fundamentals: space, time, mass,
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    physical processes.
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    Physicists sometimes say
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    that we want fundamental laws so simple
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    that we could write them on the front of a t-shirt.
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    Well I think something like that is the situation
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    we're in with consciousness.
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    We want to find fundamental laws so simple
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    we could write them on the front of a t-shirt.
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    We don't know what those laws are yet,
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    but that's what we're after.
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    The second crazy idea
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    is that consciousness might be universal.
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    Every system might have some degree
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    of consciousness.
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    This view is sometimes called panpsychism:
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    pan for all, psych for mind,
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    every system is conscious,
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    not just humans, dogs, mice, flies,
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    but even [??], microbes,
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    elementary particles.
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    Even a photon has some degree of consciousness.
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    The idea is not that photons are intelligent
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    or thinking.
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    You know, it's not that a photon
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    is wracked with angst
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    because it's thinking, "Aww, I'm always
    buzzing around near the speed of light.
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    I never get to slow down and smell the roses."
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    No, not like that.
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    But the thought is maybe photons might have
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    some element of raw, subjective feeling,
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    some primitive precursor to consciousness.
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    This may sound a bit kooky to you.
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    I mean, why would anyone think such a crazy thing?
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    Some motivation comes from the first crazy idea,
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    that consciousness is fundamental.
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    If it's fundamental, like space and time and mass,
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    it's natural to suppose that it might be universal too,
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    the way they are.
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    It's also worth noting that although the idea
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    seems counterintuitive to us,
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    it's much less counterintuitive to people
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    from different cultures,
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    where the human mind is seen as much more
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    continuous with nature.
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    A deeper motivation comes from the idea that
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    perhaps the most simple and powerful way
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    to find fundamental laws connecting consciousness
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    to physical processing
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    is to link consciousness to information.
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    Wherever there's information processing,
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    there's consciousness.
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    Complex information processing, like in a human,
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    complex consciousness.
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    Simple information processing,
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    simple consciousness.
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    A really exciting thing is in recent years,
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    a neuroscientist, Giulio Tononi,
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    has taken this kind of theory
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    and developed it rigorously
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    with a mathematical theory.
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    He has a mathematical measure
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    of information integration
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    which he calls "phi,"
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    measuring the amount of information
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    integrated in a system.
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    And he supposes that phi goes along
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    with consciousness.
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    So in a human brain,
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    incredibly large amount of information integration,
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    high degree of phi,
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    a whole lot of consciousness.
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    In a mouse, medium degree
    of information integration,
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    still pretty significant,
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    pretty serious amount of consciousness.
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    But as you go down to worms,
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    microbes, particles,
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    the amount of phi falls off.
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    The amount of information integration falls off,
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    but it's still non-zero.
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    On Tononi's theory,
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    there's still going to be a non-zero degree
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    of consciousness.
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    In effect, he's proposing a fundamental law
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    of consciousness: high phi, high consciousness.
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    Now I don't know if this theory is right,
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    but it's actually perhaps the leading theory right now
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    in the science of consciousness,
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    and it's been used to integrate a whole range
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    of scientific data,
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    and it does have a nice property
    that it is in fact simple enough
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    you can write it on the front of a t-shirt.
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    Another final motivation is that
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    panpsychism might help us to integrate
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    consciousness into the physical world.
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    Physicists and philosophers have often observed
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    that physics is curiously abstract.
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    It describes the structure of reality
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    using a bunch of equations,
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    but it doesn't tell us about the reality
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    that underlies it.
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    As Stephen Hawking puts it,
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    what puts the fire into the equations?
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    Well, on the panpsychist view,
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    you can leave the equations of physics as they are,
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    but you can take them to be describing
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    the flux of consciousness.
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    That's what physics really is ultimately doing,
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    describing the flux of consciousness.
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    On this view, it's consciousness
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    that puts the fire into the equations.
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    On that view, consciousness doesn't dangle
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    outside the physical world
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    as some kind of extra.
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    It's there right at its heart.
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    This view, I think, the panpsychist view,
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    has the potential to transfigure our relationship
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    to nature,
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    and it may have some pretty serious social
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    and ethical consequences.
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    Some of these may be counterintuitive.
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    I used to think I shouldn't eat anything
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    which is conscious,
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    so therefore I should be vegetarian.
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    Now, if you're a panpsychist and you take that view,
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    you're going to go very hungry.
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    So I think when you think about it,
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    this tends to transfigure your views,
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    whereas what matters for ethical purposes
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    and moral considerations,
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    not so much the fact of consciousness,
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    but the degree and the complexity of consciousness.
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    It's also natural to ask about consciousness
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    in other systems, like computers.
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    What about the artificially intelligent system
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    in the movie "Her," Samantha?
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    Is she conscious?
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    Well, if you take the informational,
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    panpsychist view,
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    she certainly has complicated information processing
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    and integration,
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    so the answer is very likely yes, she is conscious.
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    If that's right, it raises pretty serious
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    ethical issues about both the ethics
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    of developing intelligent computer systems
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    and the ethics of turning them off.
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    Finally, you might ask about the consciousness
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    of whole groups,
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    the planet.
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    Does Canada have its own consciousness?
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    Or at a more local level,
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    does an integrated group
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    like the audience at a TED conference,
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    are we right now having a
    collective TED consciousness,
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    an inner movie
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    for this collective TED group
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    which is distinct from the inner movies
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    of each of our parts?
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    I don't know the answer to that question,
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    but I think it's at least one
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    worth taking seriously.
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    Okay, so this panpsychist vision,
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    it is a radical one,
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    and I don't know that it's correct.
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    I'm actually more confident about
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    the first crazy idea,
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    that consciousness is fundamental,
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    than about the second one,
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    that it's universal.
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    I mean, the view raises any number of questions,
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    has any number of challenges,
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    like how do those little bits
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    of consciousness add up
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    to the kind of complex consciousness
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    we know and love.
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    If we can answer those questions,
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    then I think we're going to be well on our way
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    to a serious theory of consciousness.
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    If not, well, this is the hardest problem perhaps
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    in science and philosophy.
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    We can't expect to solve it overnight.
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    But I do think we're going to figure it out eventually.
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    Understanding consciousness is a real key, I think,
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    both to understanding the universe
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    and to understanding ourselves.
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    It may just take the right crazy idea.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How do you explain consciousness?
Speaker:
David Chalmers
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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
18:37

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