Belgium Gilles

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i am the belgian coordinator for the

the zeitgeist movement belgium

I created the website at the end of january 2010

the movement itself started officially at that moment

the position that the people hold

are not really positions

it's a coordinator-ship

and with that I mean

especially a bit the

the spokesperson

one person to approach that knows of

of all things in the movement

with that we have two backup coordinators

if something should happen to me you never know

so they have all accesses

so we have a good redundancy

a good backup of things

what we do, yes light

events, the movement itself is actually

started slowly, the events we had then

were short on not very succesful

the first z-days were kind of

well, it's a start

and we learn

yes for the future, there are

a lot of things we can improve

work on it

and together with the whole movement

we try to make the best of it

an international collaboration

is not yet at the order

because we have to clean

a bit our own 'shop'

organize to make a good structure

but for that we have not enough of people

that have enough time for it

that is one of the difficulties in this society

we are all stuck in our 38- to 40 or more workhour week

then you come home and have you household, kids

anything that occupies you for a couple of hours

and then it's hard to find the extra energy

to effectively work for such a thing

yes, I think that we, when I look at today

there is a growth and the people that join

are better informed and less

there still is mis information

but we try to handle this misinformation

from the start the first

echos we get from that person

immediately clearly explain what the possible

errors are in what they see what the movement is,

and what the movement is

and in that way we try to

be as fast as possible to be clear

to avoid misconceptions

and that the movement can't stop

to win in the movement

the belgian movement

itself

i support it completely otherwise I wouldn't put so much time

it takes practically all my free time

to organize it completely, my

motivation to keep working for it

is the RBE model,

at the moment, I don't see much other things that could

that could top it (be better)

it's a system om constant improvement

so that's something

de scientific method is a very important, the base of a RBE

constant improvements

look for the errors and

constantly having information up to date

when we look, today

in everything we do, the most recent information is important because

to make the necessary decisions

personally I have problems, well problems..

I don't agree with how decisions are made

decisions and especially the expression of an opinion

that someone has, that someone that

doesn't have enough knowledge to have a an opinion or valid opinion

therefore one of the important points in a RBE

is the arriving at decisions

and no people in power, no people who will tell how things are done

the answers simply come automatically

it becomes clear and obvious

and that is the best manner to make decisions

simply arrive at decisions by using the scientific method

because de scientific method also allows to

use the most recent information to

at a moment to make a decision

and not simply addressing a random public of people

to express their opinion about how they think about

that something of what had to be decided for them

or what they think is the best way

to make a bridge or for example

collect resources

it's actually the only logical way

and today we see it too little

in the real society

rbe's it seems for a lot of people

something that's alien, extra-terrestrial

but in principal, rbe's exist over the whole world

you can start seeing it that each

household a rbe is

the people, hte parents, the children

there are purchases, and that are the resources in the house

and with that there needs to be intelligent handling because there's

only a limited budget to acquire the resources

and you can see that budget as the source

on this planet. These are the resources on the planet

this is the budget you have

with the resources we have on the planet

so you should handle them intelligently

to effectively be sustainable and guarantee

that there's enough for everyone

because, yes, unintelligent handling would be waste

making things double, redundancy is an enemy on that issue

we have to manage resources efficiently

you are in fact not

ask you kids for money if the want a candy

a diner or breakfast

you're not going to ask money when you

clea their diaper or clean their room

you work in a rbe, you work for the good of this micro

community at home

that is one of the examples

you also have, we also use a lot the example of the nasa spaceships

those are on their own also rbe's

now take that today, there's a planet that's discovered

where human life can survive

at that place

then there's not immediately worked with money

there's simply resources that are found and worked with

and what's needed is used to effectively

make things and

there is no politics involved that say

we have to have such an infrastructure

no, it is thought about and planned

according to the scientific method you effectively come to the decisions

to realize these things

and that is for me one of the important

convictions to go to a rbe

the history in belgium

(way to go Gilles!!! :)))

the history in belgium is quite limited

the whole movement, tzm, exists

not very long, in belgium we exist since 2010

the events we had were not extremely

big but we did have some successful events

our first z-day was

quite a chaos

it was not specifically done by someone

in the movement

we were very young, we were looking for

a good structure, not looking really for a structure,

but arrive at a structure

and therefore you need the right tools

and as seen the most of us this is something new

it took a while before we found something

at the moment we have a number of ideas

better ideas about how we can do things

and how we do them effectively

events that have been followed such as

the belgian premier of zeitgeist moving forward

we had this in the movie theater (cinema) "sphinx"

and there we actually

were very impressed by the people that showed

it think we had something of 180 people

completely out of our expectations because

we had originally booked a screening room of 50 people

so we quickly had to contact and hoped to have a bigger room available

and such things, yes that's a big motivation to continue

because you get the support, a lot of courage of the people

that are behind you, and they recognize

that not everyone has enough

time to effectively put everything into it

but in this way it motivates you - it motivates me anyway

to completely go for it

in the future, we have, we had the zeitgeist moving forward, but also the z-day

a little bit more formal event

a little more formal. There lies the emphasis on presenting the ideas

and actually the transfer of the ideas

how to ease as much as possible so that the people effectively can follow

what today there's actually going on

or where the problems really are

the real causes and how we, with this knowledge can improve something

actually a plan that's not definitive

but an idea, a logical result of what we recognize today

so on z-day we had a number of presentation

we had a dutch (language) presentation, actually 3 dutch presentations

where a number of our movement. Had their own made presentations and showed them

presented by themselves of course

The venue was not as high as the zeitgeist moving forward, because of the entertainment

level of the film and the popularity on the internet because of the previous films

but it was a very interesting day. Got to know a lot of interesting people.

People that like on zeitgeist moving forward premiere, that encourage you

that say

that really, congratulate (feliciteren) I would say

wish the best for the development of the movement

and in the future we only see things getting better and better

we have more and more experience with events

with past events and this gives us extra knowledge to make it better in the future

and at the moment we are planning the zeitgeist media festival

planning is finished, but looks good

and most of the people that are involved in the event are effectively engaged

and want to go for it completely. This is ideal for us

and it proves the motivation that is arising in the movement

we are actually with a small 600 on the website of people registered

and on facebook we're at 700

and step by step people start to - because of course registering doesn't

give a direct consequence - there isn't a link towards it

to people that are immediately active

it shows simply the awareness and the people that effectively wanted to go on the website

and to leave something behind, an e-mail. It personally sometimes

so we now certain percentages. It's always a lower percentage.

And in the future we're looking out for new events we'll have

it'll only get better

it's looking very well

we're starting.. we're lucky with the contacts we have

the people we contacted to effectively work together

and I'm talking about people of the city, the services, other people of organizations

that can help, if we tell them about the ideas of a rbe and tzm

they are mostly positive, because who doesn't want a better world?

and yes, that's what we completely represent

and we hope in the future to motivate the people to make a bit of time to spread awareness

In Belgium, I don't have much knowledge what is going on here

yet we all know that there are problems with

governments, that we still don't have a government

now, my interest in this is hard to find

somewhere in my mind, of my conviction of a RBE, is it difficult to motivate myself to

effectively spark interest for this

because it's very clear that politicians can't solve problems

they are not trained to solve problems

as problems are of technical nature

it is not the politicians that take care of your car or mecanics of your car

or eclectricity; or the refrigirators that preserve your food. Politicians have nothing to do with that.

It's absurd to think that a democracy as it exists today

and people effectively believe in it, in a way that someone can be elected to represent you

but there's nobody that can represent yourself as good as yourself

the whole idea of politics is absurd

I find it outdated

now it may have been necessary, there is still social evolution needed

and the social evolution can have something to do with it

but with the technological evolution, we surpassed this a long time ago

we don't need an opinion of someone

in politics for example to build a bridge, how to most efficiently develop energy-technology

because these are really the progress(es) of society

it's technology, it's through technology that we became more civilized

had we not developed the first steam engine motor

these are simple examples, the steam engine is perhaps not an ideal example

but if we today would live with clubs and bow and arrows

no electricity, no water out of the faucet, no cars, no transport means

there's your civilization, civilization is the state of technology

and no politician has anything to do with it

I don't believe in the effective solving of problems by politics

and when you look today a lot of solutions haven't been there

now, it had its use

but it can be much improved

and these people are really not needed

we can free these people from such a suppresive(?Gilles! >:-)) job

and we can let them do what they like to do

maybe they prefer gardening over sitting behind a desk to try to agree with someone else

who also has an opinion about things.

and to discuss with this person until you get to a decision

but I don't believe that you can arrive at decisions this way

the scientific method can help effectively; effective arrive to an answer

technological progress are the things that are important for social evolution

for how civilized we are, it is the civilization, technology

it seem a lot technocratic; technology talks only about scientists and not politicians

now, I can't deny it, this is simply the result

this is what society has become, because of this we came this far.

How I see a transition...

I don't believe that there's a fixed plan

a belief that there's a fixed plan could exist is I think impossible

there are too much variables in the world to create, design such a thing

we have a lot of cultures, backgrounds

it's impossible to account for everything in one simple formula

but how I could see a transition

is first maybe specific, free up money to stimulate technological progress

like for example the energy sector

to try to decouple in first steps, from non sustainable sources such as coal or

more dangerous sources as uranium, these are things; when we put money in this

to stabilize the energy sector and fully dependent

so that is less labor needed there, less people, less maintenance, so better energy systems

we could then already free up a whole lot of people; because with better energy system,

we would create an abundance of energy

that's the basis of progress

and in that way actually, we can begin step by step to free people from jobs that are actually useless like

administrative departments, these people don't contribute anything to progress of our society

they are only there to maintain a certain system

it's unnecessary and we can free these people

we can do it actually today, but there's a transition needed

people can't be thrown from one day on another in a whole new system

although here we're dealing with the "chicken or the egg" problem

we know that the human behavior is mainly formed by the environment

and when we alter the environment, the human behavior will also follow

so if you effectively drop people in a sort of-rbe, then they will effectvely adapt

but such a thing can't happen on a massive scale, because then you'll revert to the old ego systems

that want power, want to be on the top, that want the alpha positions

because they still have the old notions of the system

it's actually their frame of reference and such a thing can't be done in great mass

it's only an opinion, it's not the scientific method is use for this

but yes, there's no fixed plan and I think that somewhere there can be worked with these ideas

step by step start to freeing people and then they can effectively work on their passions

what also is an important part is, education, training especially,

so the people that now give training, teachers are maybe not always well rewarded in this system

so therefore there should be money created for them to give them more means

because it's a very stressful job in certain cases

now we still have money as a motivational factor, we can't have teachers in poor situations

or when they come home after a stressful day, we can't put these people in a situation

where they again are stressed at home; they take this stress to school, and this stress

is projected on the students. That's a negative vortex

everyone is absorbed by it and the result is not always interesting

there are a number of things that are important to have for certainly a transition

that's how I about see it, certain parts, certainly not the full view