Return to Video

Do kids think of sperm donors as family?

  • 0:01 - 0:03
    What is a parent?
  • 0:04 - 0:06
    What is a parent?
  • 0:07 - 0:09
    It's not an easy question.
  • 0:10 - 0:12
    Today we have adoption,
  • 0:12 - 0:14
    stepfamilies,
  • 0:14 - 0:16
    surrogate mothers ...
  • 0:16 - 0:19
    many parents face tough questions
  • 0:19 - 0:21
    and tough decisions.
  • 0:22 - 0:25
    Shall we tell our child
    about the sperm donation?
  • 0:27 - 0:29
    If so, when?
  • 0:29 - 0:31
    What words to use?
  • 0:32 - 0:38
    Sperm donors are often referred
    to as biological "fathers,"
  • 0:38 - 0:41
    but should we really
    be using the word "father?"
  • 0:42 - 0:44
    As a philosopher and social scientist,
  • 0:44 - 0:49
    I have been studying these questions
    about the concept of partenthood.
  • 0:49 - 0:51
    But today I will talk to you
  • 0:51 - 0:54
    about what I learned from talking
    to parents and children.
  • 0:55 - 1:00
    I will show you that they know
    what matters most in a family,
  • 1:00 - 1:02
    even though their family
    looks a little different.
  • 1:03 - 1:09
    I will show you their creative ways
    of dealing with tough questions,
  • 1:09 - 1:13
    but I will also show you
    the parents' uncerntainties.
  • 1:15 - 1:17
    We interviewed couples
  • 1:17 - 1:21
    who received fertility treatments
    at Ghent University Hospital,
  • 1:21 - 1:23
    using sperm from a donor.
  • 1:23 - 1:25
    In this treatment timeline,
  • 1:25 - 1:28
    you can see two points
    at which we conducted interviews.
  • 1:29 - 1:32
    We included heterosexual couples,
  • 1:32 - 1:37
    where the man for some reason
    did not have good-quality sperm,
  • 1:37 - 1:42
    and lesbian couples who obviously
    needed to find sperm elsewhere.
  • 1:43 - 1:46
    We also included children.
  • 1:47 - 1:49
    I wanted to know
  • 1:49 - 1:53
    how those children define concepts
    like parenthood and family.
  • 1:54 - 1:58
    In fact, that is what I asked them ...
  • 1:58 - 2:00
    only not in that way.
  • 2:02 - 2:04
    I drew an apple tree, instead.
  • 2:05 - 2:09
    This way I could ask abstract,
    philosophical questions
  • 2:09 - 2:12
    in a way that did not make them run off.
  • 2:13 - 2:15
    So as you can see,
  • 2:15 - 2:17
    the apple tree is empty.
  • 2:18 - 2:20
    And that illustrates my research approach.
  • 2:21 - 2:23
    By designing techniques like this,
  • 2:23 - 2:29
    I can bring as little as possible
    meaning and content to the interview,
  • 2:29 - 2:31
    because I want to hear that from them.
  • 2:32 - 2:35
    I asked them,
  • 2:35 - 2:38
    "What would your family look like
    if it were an apple tree?"
  • 2:39 - 2:42
    And they could take a paper
    apple for everyone who,
  • 2:42 - 2:43
    in their view,
  • 2:43 - 2:44
    was a member of the family.
  • 2:44 - 2:45
    Write a name on it,
  • 2:45 - 2:47
    and hang it wherever they wanted.
  • 2:47 - 2:49
    And I would ask questions.
  • 2:50 - 2:53
    Most children started
    with a parent or a sibling.
  • 2:54 - 2:57
    One started with "Boxer,"
  • 2:57 - 3:00
    the dead dog of his grandparents.
  • 3:00 - 3:01
    At this point,
  • 3:01 - 3:04
    none of the children started
    mentioning the donor.
  • 3:05 - 3:09
    So, I asked them about their birth story.
  • 3:09 - 3:11
    I said, "Before you were born,
  • 3:11 - 3:14
    it was just your mom and dad,
  • 3:14 - 3:16
    or mom and mommy;
  • 3:16 - 3:19
    can you tell me how
    you came into the family?"
  • 3:19 - 3:21
    And they explained.
  • 3:22 - 3:24
    One said,
  • 3:24 - 3:27
    "My parents did not have good seeds,
  • 3:27 - 3:31
    but there are friendly men out there
    who have spare seeds.
  • 3:32 - 3:33
    They bring them to the hospital,
  • 3:33 - 3:36
    and they put them in a big jar.
  • 3:36 - 3:38
    My mommy went there,
  • 3:38 - 3:41
    and she took two from the jar.
  • 3:41 - 3:43
    One for me and one for my sister.
  • 3:44 - 3:46
    She put the seeds in her belly --
  • 3:46 - 3:49
    somehow --
  • 3:49 - 3:51
    and her belly grew really big,
  • 3:51 - 3:53
    and there I was."
  • 3:53 - 3:54
    Hm.
  • 3:56 - 4:00
    So only when they started
    mentioning the donor,
  • 4:00 - 4:04
    I asked questions about him
    using their own words.
  • 4:04 - 4:05
    I said,
  • 4:05 - 4:10
    "If this would be an apple
    for the friendly man with the seeds,
  • 4:10 - 4:12
    what would you do with it?"
  • 4:12 - 4:15
    And one boy was thinking out loud,
  • 4:15 - 4:16
    holding the apple.
  • 4:16 - 4:18
    And he said,
  • 4:18 - 4:21
    "I won't put this one
    up there with the others.
  • 4:21 - 4:24
    He's not part of my family.
  • 4:24 - 4:27
    But I will not put him on the ground.
  • 4:27 - 4:29
    That's too cold and too hard.
  • 4:29 - 4:32
    I think he should be in the trunk,
  • 4:32 - 4:35
    because he made my family possible.
  • 4:35 - 4:37
    If we would not have done this,
  • 4:37 - 4:41
    that would really be sad
    because my family would not be here,
  • 4:41 - 4:43
    and I would not be here."
  • 4:46 - 4:50
    So also, parents
    constructed family tales --
  • 4:50 - 4:51
    tales to tell their children.
  • 4:53 - 4:56
    One couple explained their insemination
  • 4:56 - 5:00
    by taking their children to a farm
  • 5:00 - 5:03
    to watch a vet inseminate cows.
  • 5:04 - 5:05
    And why not?
  • 5:05 - 5:08
    It's their way of explaining;
  • 5:08 - 5:11
    their do-it-yourself
    with family narratives.
  • 5:11 - 5:12
    DIY.
  • 5:13 - 5:15
    And we had another couple
    who made books --
  • 5:15 - 5:17
    a book for each child.
  • 5:17 - 5:19
    They were really works of art
  • 5:19 - 5:22
    containing their thoughts and feelings
    throughout the treatment.
  • 5:22 - 5:25
    They even had the hospital
    parking tickets in there.
  • 5:26 - 5:27
    So it is DIY:
  • 5:27 - 5:30
    finding ways, words and images
  • 5:30 - 5:33
    to tell your family story to your child.
  • 5:34 - 5:37
    And these stories were highly diverse,
  • 5:37 - 5:40
    but they all had one thing in common.
  • 5:42 - 5:46
    It was a tale of longing for a child,
  • 5:46 - 5:48
    and a quest for that child.
  • 5:49 - 5:54
    It was about how special and how
    deeply loved their child was.
  • 5:55 - 6:00
    And research so far shows
    that these children are doing fine.
  • 6:00 - 6:03
    They do not have more
    problems than other kids.
  • 6:03 - 6:07
    Yet, these parents also wanted
    to justify their decisions
  • 6:07 - 6:09
    through the tales they tell.
  • 6:10 - 6:13
    They hope that their children
    will understand their reasons
  • 6:13 - 6:16
    for making the family in this way.
  • 6:16 - 6:20
    Underlying was a fear that their
    children might disapprove,
  • 6:20 - 6:23
    and would reject the non-genetic parent.
  • 6:23 - 6:25
    And that fear is understandable
  • 6:25 - 6:30
    because we live in a very
    heteronormative and geneticized society.
  • 6:31 - 6:32
    A world that still believes
  • 6:32 - 6:36
    that true families consist
    of one mom, one dad
  • 6:36 - 6:39
    and their genetically-related children.
  • 6:40 - 6:41
    Well.
  • 6:42 - 6:45
    I want to tell you about a teenage boy.
  • 6:46 - 6:48
    He was donor-conceived
    but not part of our study.
  • 6:49 - 6:51
    And one day he had
    an argument with his father,
  • 6:51 - 6:54
    and he yelled,
  • 6:54 - 6:56
    "You're telling me what to do?
  • 6:56 - 6:58
    You're not even my father!"
  • 7:00 - 7:03
    That was exactly what
    the parents in our study feared.
  • 7:04 - 7:06
    Now the boy soon felt sorry,
  • 7:06 - 7:08
    and they made up.
  • 7:08 - 7:12
    But it is the reaction of his father
    that is most interesting.
  • 7:12 - 7:14
    He said,
  • 7:14 - 7:19
    "This outburst had nothing to do
    with the lack of a genetic link.
  • 7:20 - 7:23
    It was about puberty,
  • 7:23 - 7:25
    being difficult.
  • 7:25 - 7:27
    It's what they do at that age.
  • 7:27 - 7:29
    It will pass."
  • 7:30 - 7:32
    What this man shows us
  • 7:32 - 7:35
    is that when something goes wrong,
  • 7:35 - 7:36
    we should not immediately think
  • 7:37 - 7:39
    it is because the family
    is a little different.
  • 7:40 - 7:43
    These things happen in all families.
  • 7:44 - 7:46
    And every now and then,
  • 7:46 - 7:48
    all parents may wonder:
  • 7:49 - 7:51
    am I a good enough parent?
  • 7:51 - 7:53
    These parents, too.
  • 7:53 - 7:57
    They, above all, wanted to do
    what's best for their child.
  • 7:58 - 8:00
    But they also sometimes wondered:
  • 8:00 - 8:02
    am I a real parent?
  • 8:03 - 8:06
    And their uncertainties were present
    long before they even were parents.
  • 8:07 - 8:08
    At the start of treatments,
  • 8:08 - 8:10
    when they first saw the counselor --
  • 8:11 - 8:13
    and they paid close attention
    to the counselor
  • 8:13 - 8:16
    because they wanted to do it right --
  • 8:16 - 8:21
    even 10 years later they still remember
    the advice they were given.
  • 8:25 - 8:29
    So when they thought about the counselor
  • 8:29 - 8:31
    and the advice they were given,
  • 8:31 - 8:32
    we discussed that.
  • 8:32 - 8:37
    And we saw one lesbian couple who said,
  • 8:37 - 8:39
    "When our son asks us,
  • 8:39 - 8:43
    'Do I have a dad?'
  • Not Synced
    we will say 'No you do not have a dad,'
  • Not Synced
    but we will say nothing more,
  • Not Synced
    not unless he asks,
  • Not Synced
    because he might not be ready for that --
  • Not Synced
    the counselor said so."
  • Not Synced
    Well, I don't know,
  • Not Synced
    that's quite different from how
    we respond to children's questions.
  • Not Synced
    Like, milk --
  • Not Synced
    Is that made in a factory?
  • Not Synced
    We will say, "No it comes from cows,"
  • Not Synced
    and we will talk about the farmer,
  • Not Synced
    and the way the milk ends up in the shop.
  • Not Synced
    We will not say,
  • Not Synced
    "No, milk is not made in a factory."
  • Not Synced
    So something strange happened here,
  • Not Synced
    and of course these children noticed that.
  • Not Synced
    So one boy said,
  • Not Synced
    "I asked my parents loads of questions,
  • Not Synced
    but they acted really weird.
  • Not Synced
    So you know, I have a friend at school
    and she's made the same way.
  • Not Synced
    When I have a question
    I just go and ask her."
  • Not Synced
    Clever guy.
  • Not Synced
    Problem solved.
  • Not Synced
    But his parents did not notice,
  • Not Synced
    and it certainly what they had in mind,
  • Not Synced
    nor what the counselor had in mind
  • Not Synced
    when they were saying how important
    it is to be an open-communication family.
  • Not Synced
    And that's the strange thing about advice.
  • Not Synced
    When we offer people pills,
  • Not Synced
    we gather evidence first:
  • Not Synced
    we do tests,
  • Not Synced
    we do follow-up studies.
  • Not Synced
    We want to know,
  • Not Synced
    and rightly so,
  • Not Synced
    what this pill is doing,
  • Not Synced
    and how it effects peoples' lives.
  • Not Synced
    And advice?
  • Not Synced
    It is not enough for advice,
  • Not Synced
    or for professionals,
  • Not Synced
    to give advice that is
    theoretically sound,
  • Not Synced
    or well meant.
  • Not Synced
    It should be advice
    that there is evidence for.
  • Not Synced
    Evidence that it actually
    improves patients' lives.
  • Not Synced
    So the philosopher in me
    would now like to offer you a paradox.
  • Not Synced
    I advise you to stop following advice.
  • Not Synced
    [But, yes.]
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
  • Not Synced
    I will not end here
    with what went wrong --
  • Not Synced
    I would not be doing justice
    to the words we found in those families.
  • Not Synced
    Remember the books
    and the trip to the farm?
  • Not Synced
    When parents do things that work for them,
  • Not Synced
    they do brilliant things.
  • Not Synced
    What I want you to remember
    as members of families,
  • Not Synced
    in no matter what form or shape,
  • Not Synced
    is that what families need
    are warm relationships.
  • Not Synced
    And we do not need to be
    professionals to create those.
  • Not Synced
    Most of us to just fine.
  • Not Synced
    Although it may be hard work,
  • Not Synced
    and from time to time
    we can do with some advice.
  • Not Synced
    In that case,
  • Not Synced
    bear in mind three things.
  • Not Synced
    Work with advice
    that works for your family.
  • Not Synced
    Remember you're the expert
  • Not Synced
    because you live your family life.
  • Not Synced
    And finally,
  • Not Synced
    believe in your abilities
    and our creativity,
  • Not Synced
    because you can do it yourself.
  • Not Synced
    Thank you.
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
Title:
Do kids think of sperm donors as family?
Speaker:
Veerle Provoost
Description:

more » « less
Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
12:26

English subtitles

Revisions Compare revisions