The challenges of an interplanetary architect | Xavier De Kestelier | TEDxLeuven
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0:20 - 0:22I must have been about twelve years old
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0:22 - 0:28when my dad took me to an exhibition
on space not far from here in Brussels. -
0:29 - 0:34The year was about - I think it was 1988 -
so it was the end of the Cold War. -
0:34 - 0:38There was a bit of one-upmanship going on
between the Americans and the Russians -
0:38 - 0:40bringing bits to that exhibition.
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0:42 - 0:44NASA brought a big blown-up space shuttle,
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0:45 - 0:49but the Russians,
they brought a "MIR" space station. -
0:50 - 0:55It was actually the training module,
you could go inside and check it all out. -
0:55 - 0:58That was a real thing, where
there were buttons, were wires, -
0:58 - 1:01where the astronauts were eating,
where they were working. -
1:02 - 1:07And when I came home, first thing I did,
I started drawing spaceships. -
1:08 - 1:11Those weren't science
fiction spaceships, no. -
1:12 - 1:15They were actually technical drawings,
there were sections, -
1:15 - 1:19cutaway sections of what a structure
would be made out of, -
1:19 - 1:22where the wires were,
where the screws were. -
1:24 - 1:28Fortunately, I didn't become a space
engineer, but I did become an architect. -
1:29 - 1:32These are some of the projects
I have been involved with -
1:32 - 1:35in the last decade and a half.
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1:35 - 1:39All these projects are quite different,
quite different shapes, -
1:39 - 1:42and it is because they are built
in different environments, -
1:42 - 1:44they have different constraints.
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1:44 - 1:48And I think, design
becomes really interesting -
1:48 - 1:52when you get really harsh constraints.
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1:53 - 1:58Now, these projects have been
all over the world, right? -
2:00 - 2:04A few years ago this map
wasn't good enough, it was too small. -
2:06 - 2:11We had to add this one,
because we were going to do -
2:11 - 2:14a project on the Moon
for the European Space Agency. -
2:15 - 2:17The artists designed a Moon habitat,
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2:19 - 2:21and one on Mars with NASA -
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2:21 - 2:25the competition to look at
a habitation on Mars. -
2:28 - 2:33Whenever you go
to another place as an architect -
2:33 - 2:35and try to design something,
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2:36 - 2:40you look at the local architecture,
the presidents that are there. -
2:40 - 2:42On the Moon, it is kind of
difficult, of course, -
2:42 - 2:46because there is only this,
there is only the Apollo missions. -
2:47 - 2:50The last time we went there -
I wasn't even born yet - -
2:51 - 2:54we only spent about three days there.
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2:55 - 2:59So, for me, that is kind of
a long camping trip, isn't it, -
2:59 - 3:01just a more expensive one.
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3:04 - 3:06The tricky thing
when you are going to build -
3:06 - 3:08on another planet or on Moon,
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3:09 - 3:12is how to get it there.
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3:14 - 3:17First of all, to get a kilogram,
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3:17 - 3:19for example, to the Moon surface,
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3:19 - 3:21it will cost about 200 000 dollars.
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3:23 - 3:24Very expensive.
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3:24 - 3:27So, you want to keep it very light.
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3:28 - 3:30Second, is space. Space is limited.
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3:30 - 3:32This is an area on the "five rocket".
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3:32 - 3:37The space you have there is about
four and a half meters by seven meters, -
3:37 - 3:38not that much.
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3:40 - 3:42So, it needs to be an architectural system
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3:42 - 3:46that is both compact,
or compactible, and light. -
3:46 - 3:49I think I have one right here.
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3:50 - 3:54It is very compact and it is very light.
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3:55 - 4:00And actually, this is
the one I made earlier. -
4:03 - 4:05So, what's the problem with it?
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4:05 - 4:09That inflatables are quite fragile,
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4:11 - 4:13they need to be protected,
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4:15 - 4:19specifically when you go to a very
harsh environment, like the Moon. -
4:21 - 4:23Look at it like this.
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4:25 - 4:29The temperature difference on a Moon base
could be anything up to 200 degrees. -
4:29 - 4:33On one side of the base
it could be a 100 degrees Celsius, -
4:33 - 4:36and on the other side
it could be minus 100 degrees. -
4:36 - 4:39You need to protect yourself from that.
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4:40 - 4:44The Moon also does not
have any magnetic fields, -
4:45 - 4:48which means that any radiation -
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4:48 - 4:51solar radiation, cosmic radiation -
will hit the surface. -
4:52 - 4:56We need to protect ourselves from that
as well, protect the astronauts from that. -
4:57 - 5:00And the third,
but definitely not the last, -
5:00 - 5:03the Moon doesn't have any atmosphere,
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5:04 - 5:08which means any meteorites coming into it
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5:08 - 5:10will not get burned up
and will hit the surface. -
5:10 - 5:13That's why the Moon is full of craters.
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5:13 - 5:16Again, we need to protect
the astronauts from that. -
5:17 - 5:19So what kind of structure do we need?
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5:20 - 5:25The best thing is really a cave,
because a cave has lots of mass. -
5:25 - 5:29And we need mass, we need mass
to protect ourselves from temperatures, -
5:29 - 5:32from radiation, and from meteorites.
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5:35 - 5:37So, this is how we solved it.
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5:39 - 5:42We have indeed the blue part,
as you can see, -
5:42 - 5:45that is inflatable for a Moon base.
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5:46 - 5:49It gives you a lot of living space
and a lot of lab space. -
5:50 - 5:53And attached to it, you have a cylinder,
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5:54 - 5:57and that has all
the support structures in, -
5:57 - 6:00all the life support and also the airlock.
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6:01 - 6:04And on the top of that,
we have a structure - -
6:04 - 6:08that dome structure that protects
ourselves, it has a lot of mass in it. -
6:12 - 6:14Where are we going to get
this material from? -
6:14 - 6:17Are we going to bring concrete
and cement from Earth to the Moon? -
6:17 - 6:21Well, of course not, because it is
way too heavy, it's too expensive. -
6:22 - 6:25We are going to go
and use local materials. -
6:25 - 6:28Local materials is something
we do on Earth as well. -
6:28 - 6:30Wherever we build,
in whatever country we build, -
6:30 - 6:33we always look at what are
the local materials here. -
6:34 - 6:37The problem with the Moon is,
what are the local materials? -
6:37 - 6:40Well, there is not that many,
imagine we have one. -
6:41 - 6:42It is moon dust,
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6:44 - 6:48or fancy scientific name
"regolith", Moon regolith. -
6:49 - 6:52Great thing is, it is everywhere, right?
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6:52 - 6:54The surface is covered with it -
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6:54 - 6:58it is about 20 centimeters
up to a few meters everywhere. -
6:59 - 7:01But how are we going to build with it?
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7:01 - 7:04Well, we are going to use a 3D printer.
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7:05 - 7:08Whenever I ask any of you,
what a 3D printer is, -
7:08 - 7:11you probably think
of something about this size, -
7:12 - 7:16and they will print things
that are about this size. -
7:16 - 7:19Of course, we won't bring
a massive 3D printer to the Moon -
7:19 - 7:21to print a Moon base.
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7:21 - 7:25I am going to use a much smaller device,
something like this one over here. -
7:26 - 7:30This is the small device,
small robot rover that has a little scoop, -
7:30 - 7:35and it brings regolith to the dome,
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7:35 - 7:39and then it lays down
a thin layer of regolith. -
7:39 - 7:44And then, you will have the robot level
solidified layer by layer -
7:45 - 7:49until it creates,
after a few months, the full base. -
7:54 - 7:56You might have noticed
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7:56 - 8:01that it is quite a particular
structure that we are printing. -
8:01 - 8:04I have got a little example here.
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8:05 - 8:10We call this a closed-cell foam structure.
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8:10 - 8:12Looks quite natural.
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8:13 - 8:16The reason we are using this
as a part of that shelf structure -
8:16 - 8:20is that we only need
to solidify certain parts, -
8:21 - 8:24which means we have to bring
less binder from Earth -
8:24 - 8:26and it becomes much lighter.
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8:28 - 8:31This is really not just,
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8:31 - 8:34let's say, paper architecture, right?
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8:35 - 8:39We wanted to go and test this out,
so we went to Italy with this company, -
8:39 - 8:45and we tried out to print
a mock-up the real size. -
8:45 - 8:49We are also using, well, not moon dust,
because that would be -- -
8:49 - 8:52first of all, there's not a lot
of moon dust to do this with. -
8:52 - 8:54We used a moon dust simulant.
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8:55 - 9:01This is dust that has chemically
the same consistency as moon dust. -
9:01 - 9:04And we printed it layer by layer.
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9:05 - 9:09But you might notice
that the block we printed here -
9:09 - 9:11is about one and a half tons heavy,
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9:11 - 9:14and has much thicker structure
than the one I have here. -
9:15 - 9:18Well, this is because this one
I designed for the Moon -
9:18 - 9:22which has one sixth
of the gravity of Earth. -
9:22 - 9:26And this one here, of course,
is printed on Earth. -
9:26 - 9:28So it is much thicker.
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9:32 - 9:37That approach of designing
something and then covering it -
9:37 - 9:41with the protective dome,
we also did for a Mars project. -
9:42 - 9:45You see here three domes,
and you see the printers -
9:45 - 9:48printing these dome structures.
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9:50 - 9:53Now, there is a big difference
between Mars and Moon. -
9:53 - 9:54Let me explain it.
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9:57 - 10:03This diagram shows you to scale
the size of Earth and the Moon -
10:03 - 10:07and the real distance,
about 400 thousand kilometers. -
10:09 - 10:10Then go to Mars.
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10:11 - 10:15The distance from Mars to Earth
and this picture here is taken -
10:15 - 10:19by the rover of Mars, Curiosity,
looking back at Earth. -
10:19 - 10:22You can see the little sparkle
there - that is the Earth, -
10:22 - 10:24400 million kilometers away.
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10:25 - 10:28The problem with the distance is
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10:28 - 10:31that it is thousand times distance
Earth–Moon, pretty far away, -
10:32 - 10:35but there is no direct radio contact
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10:35 - 10:38with, for example, the Curiosity rover.
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10:39 - 10:42So I cannot teleoperate it from Earth,
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10:42 - 10:46I can't say, "Mars rover, go left!",
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10:46 - 10:49because that signal will take
twenty minutes to get to Mars, -
10:50 - 10:53then the rover might go left,
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10:53 - 10:55and then it will take other 20 minutes
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10:55 - 10:57before it can tell me,
"Oh, yeah, I went left." -
10:59 - 11:02So, staff rovers and robots
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11:03 - 11:05are going to have to work autonomously.
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11:06 - 11:12The only issue with it is that
missions to Mars are highly risky. -
11:13 - 11:16We have only seen it a few weeks ago.
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11:16 - 11:20What if half of the missions
doesn't arrive in Mars, what do we do? -
11:21 - 11:25Instead of building just one
or two rovers, as we did on the Moon, -
11:25 - 11:27we're going to build hundreds of them.
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11:28 - 11:31And to be like a termites mount,
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11:31 - 11:35I would take half of the colony
of termites away, -
11:35 - 11:37they would still be able
to build the mount. -
11:37 - 11:40It might take a little bit longer.
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11:40 - 11:44The same here: if half of our rovers
or robots don't arrive, -
11:44 - 11:47well, it will take a bit longer
but we'll still be able to do it. -
11:47 - 11:50Here we even have three different robots.
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11:51 - 11:55In the back, you see the digger,
it is really good at digging regolith. -
11:56 - 11:59Then, we have the transporter,
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11:59 - 12:03great at taking regolith
and bringing it to the structure. -
12:03 - 12:06And the last ones -
the little ones with little legs - -
12:06 - 12:07they don't need to move a lot.
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12:07 - 12:10What they do is: they go
and sit on a layer of regolith, -
12:10 - 12:12and they microwave it together,
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12:12 - 12:16and layer by layer
create that dome structure. -
12:20 - 12:22We also wanted to try that out,
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12:23 - 12:26so we went out on a workshop
and we created -
12:27 - 12:30our own swarm of robots.
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12:30 - 12:31Here we go.
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12:32 - 12:35We built ten of those -
it's a small swarm - -
12:35 - 12:41and we took six tons of sand
and we tried out how these little robots -
12:41 - 12:45would actually be able to move
sand around, Earth sand in this case. -
12:46 - 12:48They were not teleoperated, right?
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12:49 - 12:53Nobody was telling them go left, go right,
or giving them a pre-described path. -
12:53 - 12:59No, they were given a task:
move sand from this area to that area. -
12:59 - 13:02And if they came
across an obstacle, like a rock, -
13:02 - 13:06they had to sort it out themselves,
or they came across another robot -
13:06 - 13:08that'd be able to make decisions.
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13:09 - 13:12Or even if half of them fell out,
the batteries died, -
13:12 - 13:16they still had to be able
to finish that task. -
13:17 - 13:20Now, I talked about redundancy.
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13:22 - 13:25But that was not only with the robots,
it was also with the habitat. -
13:26 - 13:29On the Mars project
we decided to do three domes -
13:31 - 13:36because if one didn't arrive
the other two could still form a base. -
13:36 - 13:39And that was mainly because
each of the domes actually -
13:39 - 13:42have a life support system
built in the floor, -
13:42 - 13:44so they can work independently.
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13:45 - 13:49It was also in this project that we
started to think a little bit more, -
13:49 - 13:53how is it for an astronaut
or cosmonaut to live in a base. -
13:55 - 13:57Again, look at precedence.
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13:57 - 13:59Here, is the International Space Station.
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13:59 - 14:04I don't know about you,
but I wouldn't really want to live -
14:04 - 14:06in that space for six months or a year.
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14:07 - 14:10It is really living inside a machine.
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14:11 - 14:15Well, maybe science fiction gives us
better clues, right, in the movie "Moon"? -
14:16 - 14:22Often in science fiction you'll see
very sleek clinical spaces -
14:23 - 14:25and also loads of corridors -
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14:25 - 14:27in science fiction -
loads of corridors all the time. -
14:28 - 14:30And knowing what we know now,
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14:30 - 14:33what we don't have in space is space.
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14:34 - 14:37So, it's maybe not such
a good example either. -
14:38 - 14:40But I think this is a good example.
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14:41 - 14:44This is Halley VI,
the British Antarctic Survey. -
14:45 - 14:47It is a British base in the Antarctic.
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14:49 - 14:54What is interesting here, is that
the base is in a very harsh climate, -
14:54 - 14:56especially in winter.
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14:57 - 15:00On top of that, it is very isolated.
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15:01 - 15:04It is actually not possible
to get evacuated from Halley VI -
15:04 - 15:06during winter months.
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15:06 - 15:09It's easier to get evacuated from the ISS,
International Space Station, -
15:09 - 15:11than it is from Halley VI.
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15:11 - 15:14So, we went then, spoke to people there -
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15:14 - 15:17well, not there, the ones
that were in London, -
15:17 - 15:19who stayed there earlier -
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15:19 - 15:22and had long conversations
about it with them. -
15:23 - 15:27A lot of things came up, and one
of the things they mentioned a lot was: -
15:28 - 15:31"Well, you know, imagine,
we live and also work there. -
15:31 - 15:35So, we live and work in the same place,
it's like living in your own office." -
15:36 - 15:38How does that work?
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15:38 - 15:43And they said, they really
missed tactile things. -
15:44 - 15:46Tactile, what does that mean?
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15:46 - 15:48"Look at what we did, they said,
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15:48 - 15:53"We put up, we took some --
some crate, some packaging crate -
15:53 - 15:56that we had laying around,
some plywood, put it on the wall, -
15:56 - 15:59put some rope around,
and we kind of built these things. -
15:59 - 16:02So, it felt a little bit more homey,
a bit more tactile." -
16:04 - 16:07And tactile was not the only word
they used for the wood surfaces. -
16:07 - 16:10They also said, "Oh, we're also
growing our own lettuce now, -
16:10 - 16:14because all the food we have
is great, it is frozen or is in tins, -
16:14 - 16:18but what we miss is just
something crunchy, something tactile." -
16:19 - 16:23So, we took these ideas into the interior
of our base then, you know. -
16:23 - 16:28Why not have a wooden floor
in a Mars base? -
16:28 - 16:33This might be a plank of wood,
this might be a thin layer of veneer -
16:33 - 16:35on a top of some carbon fiber boards.
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16:36 - 16:39And why not grow some vegetables?
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16:39 - 16:44These Mars bases wouldn't be able
to sustain themselves with food. -
16:44 - 16:50But one could grow some things
to get some crunchy lettuce now and then. -
16:53 - 16:55Windows, very important.
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16:56 - 17:01This is a Cupola, the most popular place
in the International Space Station -
17:02 - 17:07designed in 1987, installed in 2010,
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17:07 - 17:10took 23 years, why?
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17:10 - 17:13It was not because
it was technically so difficult, no. -
17:14 - 17:18It was mainly because from a pure
technical engineering point of view, -
17:19 - 17:21it's not necessary.
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17:22 - 17:27But from a human perspective,
it is the best place in a space station. -
17:28 - 17:33So, we very much took that idea
an implemented it in our Moon base, -
17:33 - 17:37and had skylights
bringing natural daylights. -
17:39 - 17:44And take it also into the Mars base
and a lab space. -
17:45 - 17:50Why not have some natural
Mars daylight coming in? -
17:54 - 17:58Anyway, you might think,
what is this? This is pretty crazy. -
17:59 - 18:03Why would you as an architect
get involved in space, -
18:03 - 18:07because it's such a technical field?
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18:08 - 18:14Well, I am actually really convinced
that from recreative view and design view -
18:15 - 18:20you are able to solve really hard
and really constraint problems, -
18:21 - 18:25and I really feel that there is a place
for design and architecture -
18:25 - 18:29in purchase like
interplanetary habitation. -
18:29 - 18:30Thank you.
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18:30 - 18:34(Applause)
- Title:
- The challenges of an interplanetary architect | Xavier De Kestelier | TEDxLeuven
- Description:
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The stars have always spoken to our imagination.
The Moon and Mars are just two of the destinations that make many of us look up and dream. Some even want to move there permanently...
In this fascinating talk, Xavier De Kestelier - a lunar and Mars base architect - explores how we can build structures that can withstand the extreme conditions of other planets and can still provide a home to our astronauts.Xavier De Kestelier, architect and visiting Professor at Ghent University and Adjunct Professor at Syracuse University is joint head of Foster+ Partners’ Specialist Modelling Group (SMG), the architecture practice’s multi-disciplinary research and development group. His team has been exploring the possibilities of large scale 3D printing to construct lunar habitations.
Addressing the challenges of transporting materials to the moon, he studies the use of lunar soil, known as regolith, as building matter.This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
- Video Language:
- English
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- Duration:
- 18:36