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How I help transgender teens become who they want to be

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    I want you all to think
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    about the third word that was ever said
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    about you,
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    or if you were delivering,
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    about the person you were delivering.
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    And you can all mouth it if you want
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    or say it out loud.
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    It was, the first two were, "It's a ..."
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    Well, it shows you that
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    I also deal with issues where there's
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    not certainty of whether it's a girl or a boy,
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    so the mixed answer was very appropriate.
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    Of course, now the answer often comes
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    not at birth but at the ultrasound,
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    unless the prospective parents choose
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    to be surprised like we all were.
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    But I want you to think about what it is
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    that leads to that statement
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    on the third word,
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    because the third word
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    is a description of your sex,
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    and by that I mean,
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    made by a description of your genitals.
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    Now, as a pediatric endocrinologist,
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    I used to be very, very involved,
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    and still somewhat am,
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    in cases in which
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    there are mismatches
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    in the externals
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    or between the externals and the internals,
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    and we literally have to figure out
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    what is the description of your sex.
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    But there is nothing that is definable
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    at the time of birth
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    that would define you,
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    and when I talk about definition,
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    I'm talking about your sexual orientation.
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    We don't say, "It's a gay boy."
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    "A lesbian girl."
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    Those situations don't really define themselves
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    more until the second decade of life.
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    Nor do they define your gender,
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    which, as different from your anatomic sex,
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    describes your self-concept.
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    Do you see yourself
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    as a male or female
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    or somewhere in the spectrum in between?
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    That sometimes shows up
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    in the first decade of life,
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    but it can be very confusing for parents
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    because it is quite normative
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    for children to act in a cross-gender play and way,
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    and that in fact there are studies that show
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    that even 80 percent of children
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    who act in that fashion
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    will not persist in wanting to be
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    the opposite gender
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    at the time when puberty begins.
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    But at the time that puberty begins,
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    that means between about age 10 to 12 in girls,
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    12 to 14 in boys,
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    with breast budding
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    or two to three times increase in the gonads
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    in the case of genetic males,
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    by that particular point, the child who says
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    they are in the absolute wrong body
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    is almost certain to be transgender
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    and is extremely unlikely to change those feelings,
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    no matter how anybody tries reparative therapy
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    or any other noxious things.
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    Now this is relatively rare,
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    so I had relatively little
    personal experience with this,
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    and my experience was more typical
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    only because I had an adolescent practice.
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    And I saw someone age 24,
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    went through Harvard, genetically female,
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    went through Harvard with three male roommates
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    who knew the whole story,
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    a registrar who always listed his name
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    on course lists as a male name,
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    and came to me after graduating saying, "Help me.
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    I know you know a lot of endocrinology."
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    And indeed I've treated a lot of people
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    who were born without gonads.
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    This wasn't rocket science.
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    But I made a deal with him:
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    I'll treat you if you teach me.
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    And so he did.
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    And what an education I got
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    from taking care of all the members
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    of his support group.
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    And then I got really confused,
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    because I thought it was relatively easy at that age
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    to just give people the hormones
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    of the gender in which they were affirming,
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    but then my patient married,
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    and he married a woman
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    who had been born as a male,
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    had married as a male, had two children,
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    then went through a transition into female,
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    and now this delightful female
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    was attached to my male patient,
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    in fact got legally married because they showed up
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    as a man and a woman, and who knew?
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    Right? (Laughter)
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    And while I was confused about,
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    does this make so-and-so gay?
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    Does this make so-and-so straight?
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    I was getting sexual orientation
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    confused with gender identity.
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    And my patient said to me,
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    "Look, look, look.
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    If you just think of the following, you'll get it right:
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    Sexual orientation is who you go to bed with;
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    gender identity is who you go to bed as."
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    And I subsequently learned from the many adults --
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    I took care of about 200 adults —
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    I learned from them
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    that if I didn't look, peek as to who
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    their partner was in the waiting room,
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    I would never be able to guess
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    better than chance
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    whether they were gay, straight, bi,
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    or asexual in their affirmed gender.
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    In other words,
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    one thing has absolutely nothing to do
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    with the other.
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    And the data show it.
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    Now, as I took care of the 200 adults,
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    I found it extremely painful.
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    These people were -- many of them
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    had to give up so much of their lives.
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    Sometimes their parents would reject them,
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    siblings, their own children,
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    and then their divorcing spouse
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    would forbid them from seeing their children.
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    It was so awful, but why did they do it
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    at 40 and 50?
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    Because they felt they had to affirm themselves
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    before they would kill themselves.
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    And indeed, the rate of suicide
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    among untreated transgendered people
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    is among the highest in the world.
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    So what to do?
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    I was intrigued in going to a conference
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    in Holland, where they are experts in this,
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    and saw the most remarkable thing.
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    They were treating young adolescents
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    after giving them the most intense
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    psychometric testing of gender,
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    and they were treating them by blocking
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    the puberty that they didn't want.
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    Because basically, kids look about the same,
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    each sex, until they go through puberty,
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    at which point, if you feel you're in the wrong sex,
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    you feel like Pinocchio becoming a donkey.
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    The fantasy that you had that your body will change
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    to be who you want it to be with puberty
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    actually is nullified by the puberty you get.
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    And they fall apart.
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    So that's why putting the puberty on hold—
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    Why on hold? You can't just give them
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    the opposite hormones that young.
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    They'll end up stunted in growth,
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    and you think you can have
    a meaningful conversation
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    about the fertility effects of such treatment
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    with a 10-year-old girl, a 12-year-old boy?
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    So this buys time in the diagnostic process
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    for four or five years
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    so that they can work it out,
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    they can have more and more testing,
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    they can live without feeling their bodies
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    are running away from them.
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    And then, in a program they call 12-16-18,
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    around age 12 is when they
    give the blocking hormones,
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    and then at age 16 with retesting,
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    they requalify.
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    Now remember, the blocking
    hormones are reversible,
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    but when you give the hormones of the opposite sex,
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    you now start spouting breasts and facial hair
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    and voice, depending on what you're using,
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    and those effects are permanent
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    or require surgery to remove
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    or electrolysis,
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    and you can never really affect the voice.
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    So this is serious, and this is 15-, 16-year-old stuff.
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    And then at 18, they're eligible for surgery,
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    and while there's no good surgery
    for females to males genitally,
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    the male-to-female surgery
    has fooled gynecologists.
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    That's how good it can be.
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    So I looked at how the patients were doing,
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    and I looked at patients who
    just looked like everybody else,
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    except they were pubertally delayed.
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    But once they gave them the hormones
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    consistent with the gender they affirm,
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    they look beautiful.
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    They look normal. They had normal heights.
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    You would never be able to pick them out
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    in a crowd.
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    So at that point, I decided I'm going to do this.
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    This is really where the pediatric
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    endocrine realm comes in,
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    because in fact, if you're going to deal with it
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    in kids age 10-12, 10-14,
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    that's pediatric endocrinology.
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    So I brought some kids in,
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    and this now became the standard of care,
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    and Children's Hospital was behind it.
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    By my showing them the kids before and after,
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    people who never got treated
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    and people who wished to be treated,
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    and pictures of the Dutch,
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    they came to me and said,
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    "You've got to do something for these kids."
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    Well, where were these kids before?
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    They were out there suffering, is where they were.
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    So we started a program in 2007.
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    It became the first program of its kind --
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    but it's really of the Dutch kind --
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    in North America.
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    And since then, we have 160 patients.
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    Did they come from Afghanistan? No.
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    They came, 75 percent of them came
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    from within 150 miles of Boston.
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    And some came from England.
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    Jackie had been abused in the Midlands, in England.
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    She's 12 years old there,
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    she was living as a girl
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    but she was being beaten up.
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    It was a horror show.
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    They had to homeschool her.
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    And the reason the British were coming was
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    because they would not treat anybody
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    with anything under age 16,
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    which means they were consigning them
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    to an adult body, no matter what happened,
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    even if they tested them well.
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    Jackie, on top of it, was,
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    by virtue of skeletal markings,
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    destined to be six feet five.
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    And yet, she had just begun
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    a male puberty.
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    Well, I did something a little bit innovative,
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    because I do know hormones,
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    and that estrogen is much more potent
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    in closing epiphyses, the growth plates,
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    and stopping growth, than testosterone is.
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    So we blocked her testosterone
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    with a blocking hormone,
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    but we added estrogen, not at 16, but at 13.
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    And so here she is at 16, on the left.
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    And on her 16th birthday, she went to Thailand,
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    where they would do a genital plastic surgery.
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    They will do it, 18 or not.
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    And she ended up 5'11"
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    but more than that, she has normal breast size,
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    because by blocking testosterone,
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    every one of our patients
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    has normal breast size
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    if they get to us at the appropriate age, not too late.
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    And on the far right, there she is.
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    She went public,
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    semifinalist in the Miss England competition.
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    The judges debated as to, can they do this?
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    Can they make her —
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    And one of them quipped, I'm told,
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    "But she has more natural self
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    than half the other contestants."
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    (Laughter)
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    And some of them have been rearranged a little bit,
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    but it's all her DNA.
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    And she's become a remarkable spokeswoman.
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    And she was offered contracts as a model,
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    at which point she teased me, where she said,
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    "You know, I might have had a better chance
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    as a model if you'd made me six feet one."
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    Go figure. (Laughter)
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    So this picture, I think, says it all.
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    It really says it all.
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    These are Nicole and brother Jonas,
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    identical twin boys,
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    and proven to be identical,
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    in which Nicole had affirmed herself
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    as a girl as early as age three.
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    At age seven, they changed her name,
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    and came to me at the very beginnings
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    of a male puberty.
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    Now you can imagine looking at Jonas
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    at only 14 that male puberty
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    is early in this family,
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    because he looks more like a 16-year-old,
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    but it makes the point all the more
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    why you have to be conscious
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    of where the patient is.
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    Nicole has done pubertal blockade in here,
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    and Jonas is just going -- biologic control.
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    This is what Nicole would look like
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    if we weren't doing what we were doing.
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    He's got a prominent Adam's apple.
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    He's got angular bones to the face, a mustache,
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    and you can see there's a height difference
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    because he's gone through
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    a growth spurt that she won't get.
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    Now Nicole is on estrogen.
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    She has a bit of a form to her.
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    This family went to the White House last spring
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    because of their work
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    in overturning an anti-discrimination,
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    there was a bill that would block
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    the right of transgender people in Maine
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    to use public bathrooms,
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    and it looked like the bill was going to pass,
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    and that would have been a problem,
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    but Nicole went personally
    to every legislator in Maine
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    and said, "I can do this.
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    If they see me, they'll understand
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    why I'm no threat in the lady's room,
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    but I can be threatened in the men's room."
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    And then they finally got it.
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    So where do we go from here?
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    Well, we still have a ways to go
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    in terms of anti-discrimination.
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    There are only 17 states that have
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    an anti-discrimination law
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    against discrimination in housing,
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    employment, public accommodation,
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    only 17 states, and five of them are in New England.
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    We need less expensive drugs.
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    They cost a fortune.
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    And we need to get this condition
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    out of the DSM.
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    It is as much a psychiatric disease
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    as being gay and lesbian,
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    and that went out the window in 1973,
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    and the whole world changed.
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    And this isn't going to break anybody's budget.
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    This is not that common.
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    But the risks of not doing anything for them
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    not only puts all of them at risk
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    of losing their lives to suicide,
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    but it also says something about
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    whether we are a truly inclusive society.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How I help transgender teens become who they want to be
Speaker:
Norman Spack
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Duration:
16:53
  • 15:24 lady's room -> ladies' room

  • The English transcript was updated on 12/7/2015. At 10:34, "and Children's Hospital was behind it" was changed to "the [Boston] Children's Hospital was behind it."

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