Forensic neuroscience can mean life or death - Dr. Scott Fraser at TEDxUSC
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0:08 - 0:17The murder happened a little over
21 years ago on January 18th 1991. -
0:17 - 0:23In a small bedroom community
of Lynwood, California, -
0:23 - 0:27just a few miles southeast of Los Angeles.
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0:27 - 0:33Father came out of his house to tell
his teenage son and his five friends -
0:33 - 0:36that it was time for them
to stop horsing around -
0:36 - 0:39on the front lawn and on the sidewalk,
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0:39 - 0:42to get home,
finish their school work, -
0:42 - 0:44prepare themselves for bed.
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0:44 - 0:51And as the father was administering these
instructions, a car drove by, slowly. -
0:51 - 0:56And just after it passed the father
and the teenagers, a hand went out -
0:56 - 1:03from the front passenger window
and Bam! Bam!, killing the father. -
1:03 - 1:06And the car sped off.
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1:06 - 1:12The police investigating officers
were amazingly efficient. -
1:12 - 1:15They considered all the usual culprits,
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1:15 - 1:19and in less than 24 hours
they had selected their suspect; -
1:19 - 1:23Francisco Carrillo,
a seventeen-year-old kid, -
1:23 - 1:27who lived about two or three blocks away
from where the shooting occurred. -
1:27 - 1:32They found photos of him,
they prepared a photo array, -
1:32 - 1:38and the day after the shooting
they showed it to one of the teenagers -
1:38 - 1:46and he said, "That's the picture, that's
the shooter I saw that killed the father." -
1:46 - 1:51That was all a preliminary hearing judge
had to listen to, -
1:51 - 1:57to bind Mr Carrillo over
to stand trial for a first-degree murder. -
1:57 - 2:00In the investigation that followed
before the actual trial, -
2:00 - 2:06each of the other five teenagers was shown
photographs, the same photo array. -
2:08 - 2:11The picture that we best can determine
was probably the one that they were shown -
2:11 - 2:16in the photo array is in your bottom
left-hand corner of these mugshots. -
2:16 - 2:19The reason we're not sure absolutely
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2:19 - 2:26is because of the nature of evidence
preservation in our judicial system. -
2:26 - 2:31But that's another whole
TEDxTalk for later. -
2:31 - 2:37So, at the actual trial
all six of the teenagers testified -
2:37 - 2:44and indicated identifications
they had made in the photo array. -
2:44 - 2:49He was convicted,
he was sentenced to life imprisonment, -
2:49 - 2:54and transported to Folsom prison.
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2:54 - 3:01So what's wrong? Straightforward,
fair trial, full investigation. -
3:01 - 3:05Oh yes, no gun was ever found.
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3:05 - 3:07No vehicle was ever identified
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3:07 - 3:13as being the one in which
the shooter had extended his arm, -
3:13 - 3:19and no person was ever charged with
being the driver of the shooter's vehicle. -
3:19 - 3:23And Mr Carrillo's alibi?
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3:23 - 3:28Which of those parents
here in the room might not lie -
3:28 - 3:37concerning the whereabouts of your son or
daughter in an investigation of a killing? -
3:37 - 3:43Sent to prison,
adamantly insisting on his innocence, -
3:43 - 3:48which he has consistently for 21 years.
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3:48 - 3:51So what's the problem?
-
3:51 - 3:55The problems actually for
this kind of case come manifold -
3:55 - 4:02from decades of scientific research
involving human memory. -
4:02 - 4:05First of all we have
all the statistical analysis -
4:05 - 4:09from the Innocence Project work,
where we know -
4:09 - 4:13that we have, what,
250, 280 documented cases now, -
4:13 - 4:16where people have been
wrongfully convicted -
4:16 - 4:20and subsequently exonerated,
some from death row, -
4:20 - 4:24on the basis of later DNA analysis.
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4:24 - 4:29And you know that over three-quarters
of all of those cases of exoneration -
4:29 - 4:34involved only eye-witness
identification testimony -
4:34 - 4:38during the trial that convicted them.
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4:38 - 4:42We know that eye-witness identifications
are fallible -
4:42 - 4:46The other comes from
an interesting aspect of human memory, -
4:46 - 4:48that's related to various brain functions,
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4:48 - 4:53but I can sum up for the sake of brevity
here in a simple line: -
4:53 - 4:58the brain abhors a vacuum.
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4:58 - 5:03Under the best of observation conditions,
the absolute best, -
5:03 - 5:07we only detect, encode
and store in our brains, -
5:07 - 5:10bits and pieces of
the entire experience in front of us, -
5:11 - 5:13and they're stored
in different parts of the brain. -
5:13 - 5:15So now when it's important
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5:15 - 5:19for us to be able to recall
what it was that we experienced, -
5:21 - 5:28we have an incomplete, we have
a partial store, and what happens? -
5:28 - 5:33Below awareness, with no requirement
for any kind of motivated processing, -
5:33 - 5:41the brain fills in information
that was not there, not originally stored, -
5:41 - 5:45from inference, from speculation,
from sources of information -
5:45 - 5:50that came to you as
the observer after the observation. -
5:50 - 5:55But it happens without awareness such
that you aren't cognizant of it occurring. -
5:55 - 5:58It's called reconstructed memories.
It happens to us -
5:58 - 6:02in all the aspects of our lives,
all the time. -
6:03 - 6:08Let me ask you to consider
the horrific events of 9/11. -
6:08 - 6:12Think about when you first got
the information about this catastrophe, -
6:12 - 6:16how you felt and more importantly,
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6:17 - 6:25when was first time you saw
the second trade tower imploding collapse, -
6:25 - 6:28after the first trade tower had gone down?
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6:28 - 6:32If you're like most Americans,
myself included, -
6:32 - 6:34you have a very clear memory
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6:34 - 6:37that you saw the first tower come down
and then you saw -
6:37 - 6:42the second tower finally collapse
after the other plane crashed into it -
6:42 - 6:45within an hour or two afterwards.
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6:45 - 6:48I remember vividly where I was.
I was down at LAX, -
6:48 - 6:50at the satellite terminal
for American Airlines, -
6:50 - 6:53waiting to get on an airplane
to fly to San Diego. -
6:53 - 6:56Of course, all the air traffic was ceased.
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6:56 - 6:59And so I had nothing to do but
to sit and watch the television monitors -
6:59 - 7:03with all of the news broadcasts
over and over and over again. -
7:03 - 7:12Of the horrendous events and I know I saw
that second trade tower come down -
7:12 - 7:15an hour or two after the first.
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7:15 - 7:19And all of the research we have indicates
that most Americans too, -
7:19 - 7:22except for a few people
that live in certain places in New York. -
7:22 - 7:28And you know something?
That's a totally false memory. -
7:28 - 7:31It could not be something you experience,
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7:31 - 7:34there was absolutely no media footage
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7:34 - 7:42of the second trade tower collapsing
until over 24 hours after the event. -
7:42 - 7:46But in fact you know
intellectually, cognitively, -
7:46 - 7:49that they did occur fairly close in time.
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7:49 - 7:54You did know about and see the first one,
you did see the second one; -
7:54 - 7:58but you didn't see it until
over a day later at the earliest. -
7:58 - 8:02But the brain without you being aware
has pulled them together, -
8:02 - 8:07and you believe you saw them
very close in time. -
8:07 - 8:11It is a reconstructed memory,
not an accurate memory. -
8:11 - 8:15No matter how vivid,
no matter how sure you are, -
8:15 - 8:17it was those two considerations
among others, -
8:17 - 8:22reconstructed memory, the fact
about the eye-witness fallibility, -
8:22 - 8:28that was part of the instigation
for a group of appeal attorneys -
8:28 - 8:32led by an amazing lawyer,
named Ellen Eggers, -
8:32 - 8:39to pool their experience and accounts
together and petition the superior court -
8:39 - 8:43for a retrial for Francisco Carrillo.
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8:43 - 8:48They retained me
as a forensic neurophysiologist -
8:48 - 8:50because I had expertise
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8:50 - 8:55in eye-witness memory identification,
which obviously makes sense for this case, -
8:55 - 9:03but also because I'd expertise and testify
about the nature of human night vision. -
9:03 - 9:07Well, what's that got to do with this?
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9:07 - 9:12Well, when you read through
the case materials in this Carrillo case, -
9:12 - 9:15one of the things
that suddenly strikes you is that -
9:15 - 9:19the investigating officers
said the lighting was good -
9:19 - 9:22at the crime scene, at the shooting.
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9:22 - 9:26All the teenagers testified
during the trial -
9:26 - 9:29that they could see very well.
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9:29 - 9:33But this occurred in mid-January,
in the northern hemisphere, -
9:33 - 9:38at 7 pm at night.
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9:38 - 9:41So when I did the calculations,
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9:41 - 9:45at that location on Earth at the time
of the incident of the shooting, -
9:45 - 9:50it was well past the end of civil twilight
and there was no moon up the night. -
9:50 - 9:53So all the light in this area
from the sun and the moon -
9:53 - 9:55is what you see on the screen right here.
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9:55 - 10:01The only lighting in that area had to come
from artificial sources. -
10:01 - 10:05And that's where I go out and I do
the actual reconstruction of the scene -
10:05 - 10:08with photometers,
with various measures of illumination -
10:08 - 10:12and various other
measures of power perception -
10:12 - 10:15along with special cameras
and high-speed film; -
10:15 - 10:20take all the measurements and record them,
and then take photographs. -
10:20 - 10:23and this is what the scene looked like
at the time the of the shooting -
10:23 - 10:25from the position of the teenagers
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10:25 - 10:28looking at the car going by and shooting.
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10:28 - 10:31This is looking directly
across the street, -
10:31 - 10:35remember the investigating officer's
report said the lighting was good; -
10:35 - 10:39teenagers said they could see very well.
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10:39 - 10:44This is looking directly across the street
from where they were standing. -
10:44 - 10:51This is looking down to the east
where the shooting vehicle sped off. -
10:51 - 10:57And this is the lighting directly behind
the father and the teenagers. -
10:57 - 11:01As you can see it is at best poor.
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11:01 - 11:05No one is gonna call this
well-lit, good lighting -
11:05 - 11:09and in fact as nice as these pictures are
and the reason we take them -
11:09 - 11:11is I knew I was going
to have to testify in court. -
11:11 - 11:15And a picture is worth
more than a thousand words -
11:15 - 11:19when you're trying to communicate numbers,
abstract concepts like lux, -
11:19 - 11:22the international measurement
of illumination, -
11:22 - 11:26the Ishihara color
are color perception test values. -
11:26 - 11:29When you present those to people
who are not well-versed -
11:29 - 11:31in those aspects of science and that,
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11:31 - 11:34they become salamanders
in the noonday sun. -
11:34 - 11:37It's like talking about
the tangent of the visual angle; -
11:37 - 11:41their eyes just glaze over.
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11:41 - 11:44A good forensic expert
also has to be a good educator, -
11:44 - 11:48a good communicator and that's part
of the reason why we take the pictures -
11:48 - 11:50to show not only where
the light sources are -
11:50 - 11:53and what we call the spill,
the distribution, -
11:53 - 11:56but also so that
it's easier for the trier of fact -
11:56 - 11:59to understand the circumstances.
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11:59 - 12:03So these are some of the pictures
that in fact I use when I testify. -
12:03 - 12:06But more importantly were to me,
the scientists, are those readings, -
12:06 - 12:10the photometer readings,
which I can then convert -
12:10 - 12:16into actual predictions
of the visual capability of the human eye -
12:16 - 12:20under those circumstances.
And from my readings -
12:20 - 12:24that I recorded at the scene
under the same solar and lunar conditions -
12:24 - 12:27at the same time and so on and so forth,
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12:27 - 12:30I could predict that there would be
no reliable color perception -
12:30 - 12:33which is crucial for face recognition.
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12:33 - 12:35And that there would
only be scotopic vision -
12:35 - 12:37which meant there'd be
very little resolution -
12:37 - 12:39which we call boundary or edge detection,
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12:39 - 12:43and furthermore because the eyes would
have been totally dilated -
12:43 - 12:45under this light,
the depth of field, -
12:45 - 12:49the distance at which you can
focus and see details -
12:49 - 12:54would have been less
than 18 inches away. -
12:54 - 12:57I testified to that to the court
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12:57 - 13:02and while the judge was very attentive,
it had been a very, very long hearing -
13:02 - 13:04for this petition for a retrial.
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13:04 - 13:09And as a result I'd noticed
out of the corner of my eye -
13:09 - 13:14that I thought that maybe the judge
was going to need a little more of a nudge -
13:14 - 13:17than just more numbers.
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13:17 - 13:23And here I became a bit audacious
and I turned and I asked the judge, -
13:23 - 13:28I said, "Your honor, I think you should
go out and look at the scene yourself." -
13:28 - 13:34Now I may have used a tone
which was more like a dare than a request, -
13:34 - 13:39but nonetheless it's to
this man's credit and his courage, -
13:39 - 13:44that he said, "Yes, I will"
a shocker in American jurisprudence. -
13:46 - 13:48So in fact we found
the same identical conditions, -
13:48 - 13:50we reconstructed the entire thing again,
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13:50 - 13:54he came out with
an entire brigade of sheriff's officers -
13:54 - 14:01to protect him in this community.
(Laughter) -
14:01 - 14:05We had him stand actually
slightly in the street, so closer -
14:05 - 14:10to the shooter vehicle
than the actual teenagers were. -
14:10 - 14:13So he stood a few feet from the curb
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14:13 - 14:15toward the middle of the street.
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14:15 - 14:18We had a car that came by,
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14:18 - 14:22same identical car
as described by the teenagers. -
14:22 - 14:25It had a driver and a passenger,
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14:25 - 14:29and after the car had passed the judge by,
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14:29 - 14:32the passenger extended his hand,
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14:32 - 14:35pointed it back to the judge,
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14:35 - 14:39as the car continued on,
just as the teenagers had described it. -
14:39 - 14:42Now, we didn't use a real gun in his hand,
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14:42 - 14:47we thought the sheriff's department
would probably question the necessity -
14:47 - 14:49for that kind of realism.
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14:53 - 14:58So we had a black object in his hand that
was similar to the gun that was described. -
14:58 - 15:01He pointed, Bam!
And this is what the judge saw. -
15:01 - 15:04This is the car
30 feet away from the judge. -
15:08 - 15:10There's an arm sticking out
of the passenger side -
15:10 - 15:15and pointed back at you.
That's 30 feet away. -
15:15 - 15:17Some of the teenagers
just said that in fact -
15:17 - 15:20the car was 15 feet away
when it shot. -
15:20 - 15:23There's 15 feet.
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15:25 - 15:28At this point I became a little concerned.
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15:28 - 15:32This judge is someone
you'd never wanna play poker with. -
15:32 - 15:35He was totally stoic.
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15:35 - 15:37I couldn't see a twitch of his eyebrow,
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15:37 - 15:40I couldn't see
the slightest bend of his head. -
15:40 - 15:44I had no sense of how
he was reacting to this. -
15:44 - 15:47And after he looked at this re-enactment,
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15:47 - 15:51he turned to me and he says, "Is there
anything else you want me to look at?" -
15:51 - 15:56I said, "Your Honor," and I don't know
whether I was emboldened, -
15:56 - 16:00by the scientific measurements
that I had in my pocket, -
16:00 - 16:02and my knowledge that they are accurate,
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16:02 - 16:07or whether it was just sheer stupidity,
which is what the defense lawyers thought -
16:07 - 16:12when they heard me say, "Yes Your Honor,
I want you to stand right there. -
16:12 - 16:16I want the car to go around
the block again. -
16:16 - 16:22And I want it to come, and I want it
to stop right in front of you, -
16:22 - 16:25three to four feet away
and I want the passenger -
16:25 - 16:29to extend his hand with a black object,
point right at you, -
16:29 - 16:34and you can look at it
as long as you want." -
16:34 - 16:40And that's what he saw.
(Laughter) -
16:40 - 16:43You'll notice,
which was also in my test report, -
16:43 - 16:46all the dominant lighting
is coming from the north side -
16:46 - 16:50which means that the shooter's face
would have been photo occluded, -
16:50 - 16:53would have been backlit.
Furthermore, the roof of the car -
16:53 - 16:58is causing what we call
a shadow cloud inside the car, -
16:58 - 17:01which is making it darker.
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17:01 - 17:06And this is three to four feet away.
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17:06 - 17:08Why did I take the risk?
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17:08 - 17:12I knew the depth of field was
18 inches or less. -
17:12 - 17:18Three to four feet; it might as well
have been a football field away. -
17:19 - 17:23This is what he saw, went back,
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17:23 - 17:25there was a few more days of evidence
that was heard. -
17:25 - 17:28At the end of it, he made the judgment
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17:28 - 17:32that he was going to grant
the petition for a retrial, -
17:32 - 17:35and furthermore he released Mr Carrillo
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17:35 - 17:38so he could aid in the preparation
of his own defense -
17:38 - 17:43if the prosecution decided to retry him.
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17:44 - 17:49Which they decided not to.
He is now a freed man. -
17:49 - 17:56(Applause)
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17:56 - 18:01This is him embracing here
his grandmother-in-law. -
18:01 - 18:05His girlfriend was pregnant
when he went to trial -
18:05 - 18:08and she had a little baby boy.
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18:08 - 18:11He and his son are both attending
Cal State, Long Beach, -
18:11 - 18:13right now, taking classes.
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18:13 - 18:19(Applause)
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18:19 - 18:25What does this example, what's important
to keep in mind for ourselves? -
18:27 - 18:31First of all there's a long history
of antipathy between science and the law -
18:31 - 18:34in American jurisprudence.
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18:34 - 18:38I could regale you with
horror stories of ignorance. -
18:38 - 18:42Over decades of experience
as a forensic expert, -
18:42 - 18:46of just trying to get science
into the courtroom, -
18:46 - 18:51deposing council
always fighting an opposer. -
18:51 - 18:55One suggestion is that all of us
become much more attuned -
18:55 - 19:00to the necessity, through policy,
through procedures, -
19:00 - 19:03to get more science in the courtroom.
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19:03 - 19:06And I think one large step
toward that is more requirements, -
19:06 - 19:10with all due respect to the law schools,
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19:10 - 19:14of science, technology,
engineering, mathematics, -
19:14 - 19:20for anyone going into the law
because they become the judges. -
19:20 - 19:23Think about how
we select our judges in this country, -
19:23 - 19:27it's very different
than most other cultures. -
19:27 - 19:31The other ones I wanna suggest,
the caution that all of us have to have, -
19:31 - 19:33I constantly have to remind myself
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19:33 - 19:39about just how accurate are the memories
that we know are true, -
19:39 - 19:42that we believe in.
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19:42 - 19:49There is decades of research,
examples and examples of cases like this, -
19:49 - 19:53where individuals really, really believe.
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19:53 - 19:57None of those teenagers
who identified him -
19:57 - 20:00thought that they were picking
the wrong person, -
20:00 - 20:03none of them thought
they couldn't see the person's face. -
20:03 - 20:06We all have to be very careful.
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20:06 - 20:14You just saw a marvelous film
about all kinds of complexities of memory, -
20:14 - 20:18It is an enormously confusing
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20:18 - 20:23and difficult set of processes
and principles that are involved. -
20:23 - 20:27All our memories
are reconstructed memories. -
20:27 - 20:29They are the product
of what we originally experienced -
20:29 - 20:32and everything that's happened afterwards.
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20:32 - 20:38They're dynamic, they're malleable,
they're volatile, and as a result -
20:38 - 20:42we all need to remember to be cautious.
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20:42 - 20:49That the accuracy of our memories
is not measured in how vivid they are -
20:49 - 20:53nor how certain you are
that they're correct. -
20:53 - 20:59I'm sure I saw the second trade tower
collapse an hour later, -
20:59 - 21:04but I know it could not have happened.
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21:04 - 21:05Thank you.
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21:05 - 21:07(Applause)
- Title:
- Forensic neuroscience can mean life or death - Dr. Scott Fraser at TEDxUSC
- Description:
-
Dr Scott Fraser discusses a drive-by shooting in which witness evidence turned out to be flawed as in many other similar cases. He considers the problems of memory and looks at how the quality of light at a crime scene can be scientifically investigated.
- Video Language:
- English
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- Duration:
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