Directing evolution | Laurie Garrett | TEDxDanubia
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0:12 - 0:15Ever since I was a small child,
this has been my hero. -
0:15 - 0:17This is Charles Darwin, of course.
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0:17 - 0:20And one of the reasons
he's always been my outstanding hero -
0:20 - 0:22is because he looked at the same things
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0:22 - 0:25that humanity
had been looking at for centuries, -
0:25 - 0:29without seeing it.
And he saw it: evolution. -
0:29 - 0:32He had no special tools,
he had no high-tech, -
0:32 - 0:34it was just insight.
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0:35 - 0:38A very powerful way of seeing the world.
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0:38 - 0:44And he created an absolute revolution
that started with telling humanity, -
0:44 - 0:48if we had our way, as a species,
we would destroy this world. -
0:48 - 0:52Because we will always seek to push
evolution in our favour as a species. -
0:53 - 0:56And of course, his 1859 manuscript,
Origin of the Species, -
0:56 - 1:02was the greatest revolution in biology
for all time prior. -
1:02 - 1:05And its basic thesis was:
the strong survive; -
1:05 - 1:10the weak, if they cannot adapt,
cease to exist and go extinct. -
1:11 - 1:15And, while there may be controversies,
he built the monument -
1:15 - 1:19upon which the three great revolutions
of biology today are standing: -
1:20 - 1:24metagenomics, the ability to mass-sequence
that which we see around the world -
1:24 - 1:29and know its DNA
at the absolute nucleotide level; -
1:29 - 1:32synthetic biology,
the ability to manipulate -
1:32 - 1:34that which we now understand;
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1:34 - 1:40and gain-of-function,
the ability to give species capacities -
1:40 - 1:43that nature never gave them
and probably never would. -
1:43 - 1:47These three are the big revolutions.
Let's start with metagenomics. -
1:47 - 1:49This says:
I can look at everybody in this room -
1:49 - 1:52and tell everybody's DNA sequence.
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1:52 - 1:55I now have that toolkit.
You have that toolkit. -
1:55 - 2:00And we can tell the sequence of everything
in our natural environment. -
2:00 - 2:03This is so revolutionary,
it has so completely changed -
2:03 - 2:06the way we look at the natural world,
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2:06 - 2:10that it is at least equivalent
to Charles Darwin's ability -
2:10 - 2:12to revolutionarily think about the world.
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2:12 - 2:18We go from looking into the world
from outside, through the microscope, -
2:18 - 2:19to actually deciphering it.
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2:19 - 2:26Because now the toolkit is available
to rapidly, quickly, and cheaply tell us -
2:26 - 2:30what is the DNA sequence of everything
we choose to look at. -
2:30 - 2:34And now we have the capacity
to decipher life, -
2:34 - 2:36in a way we never did before.
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2:36 - 2:41This is so new and it's
all in the last decade and less in time. -
2:41 - 2:45In fact, the speed at which this
is happening is so tremendous -
2:45 - 2:50that nobody in the entire scientific
community can tell you where we stand -
2:50 - 2:54in any given species analysis
at any given moment. It's going that fast. -
2:54 - 3:00And it is changing the entire
perspective of humanity on the planet, -
3:00 - 3:03even if you personally
don't know the biology. -
3:04 - 3:06And to see
how fast and rapidly it is changing: -
3:06 - 3:11our first sequenced human genome took
15 years and billions of dollars, -
3:11 - 3:16and then in 2010 we were able to do it for
10,000 dollars, an entire human genome. -
3:16 - 3:17That's "passé."
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3:17 - 3:19Now, it's under a thousand dollars.
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3:20 - 3:23So this going faster than
Moore's Law predicted -
3:23 - 3:26the declining costs
in computer technology. -
3:26 - 3:32The synthetic biology, genomics revolution
is taking the cost of sequencing down -
3:32 - 3:34to a level that is really incremental.
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3:34 - 3:36It's spare change.
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3:36 - 3:38And you can buy your own home sequencer
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3:38 - 3:41and be your own personal biohacker
in your kitchen, -
3:41 - 3:44and sequence your whole genome
now overnight. -
3:44 - 3:46And it will have cost you
practically nothing to do it. -
3:46 - 3:49Consider what the options are.
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3:49 - 3:54Well, there's a lot of people doing
their metagenomic sequencing of pathogens. -
3:54 - 3:58Let's look at the black death,
Yersinia pestis, smallpox, chickenpox, -
3:58 - 4:00the Justinian plague.
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4:00 - 4:05And in every case, all the sequences are
posted open-source on the internet. -
4:05 - 4:08You too can mess with smallpox,
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4:08 - 4:10you too can mess now
with your Yersinia pestis. -
4:10 - 4:12With pretty much any microorganism.
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4:12 - 4:161918, an influenza
that killed 15 million human beings. -
4:16 - 4:20Whatever you choose to play with,
it's open-source, it's being sequenced -
4:20 - 4:22and it's happening at lightning speed.
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4:22 - 4:24And Darwin reminded us:
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4:24 - 4:29all this information we will utilize
only for the good of our own species. -
4:30 - 4:34And, in fact, the utilization is called
directed evolution. -
4:34 - 4:39That means humanity is deciding now
what is evolution on planet Earth. -
4:39 - 4:44We are changing the direction of
the entire course of planetary history. -
4:44 - 4:48And we're doing it in everything
from high school labs, all the way -
4:48 - 4:52up to the most sophisticated multinational
laboratory systems. -
4:52 - 4:56Among the choices we're making is,
which long-extincted species do we, -
4:56 - 4:59as Homo Sapiens,
wish to bring back to life? -
4:59 - 5:04This is not something that somebody else,
God, or whatever you believe in, decided. -
5:04 - 5:08This is us, human beings, saying "I want
woolly mammoths to walk on Earth again." -
5:08 - 5:11And indeed, already,
a graduate student of Berkeley -
5:11 - 5:17brought back a form of plant that had been
extinct since the Devonian age. -
5:17 - 5:20And it's back, it's alive,
it's replicating, -
5:20 - 5:22it's part of Earth again.
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5:22 - 5:25Who made that choice?
This kid. -
5:26 - 5:28And similarly, because of climate change,
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5:28 - 5:31we're getting the devastation
of permafrost zones -
5:31 - 5:33and deep glaciated zones,
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5:33 - 5:37and things that had been frozen
for millenia are coming back to life. -
5:38 - 5:39And scientists are making choices
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5:39 - 5:42about which ones
to resurrect out of the permafrost, -
5:42 - 5:47like this Pandora virus, which fortunately
does not infect human beings. -
5:47 - 5:49But what else lurks
beneath the permafrost? -
5:49 - 5:52What's the next thing to come forward?
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5:52 - 5:57Well, just three years ago,
our National Academy of Sciences in the US -
5:57 - 5:59predicted, they thought quite boldly,
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5:59 - 6:03that soon people would be building
life up from the DNA, -
6:03 - 6:07actually creating wholly new living creatures.
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6:07 - 6:10This was considered outlandish,
but it's already been done. -
6:10 - 6:13So that entire report is now
not only not controversial, -
6:13 - 6:16it's ancient history.
Three years ago. -
6:16 - 6:17What's been done?
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6:17 - 6:21Well, who you're seeing,
everybody picks and chooses -
6:21 - 6:23how to experiment with life.
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6:23 - 6:26So that now the scientist is directing
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6:26 - 6:32and is in charge of the evolution
of everything which he or she is viewing, -
6:32 - 6:37deciding the pace of the life
they are observing will take. -
6:37 - 6:40Manipulating it,
to see, "What if?", "What if?" -
6:40 - 6:42This is a revolution.
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6:42 - 6:46And it's a revolution that gets coupled
with what's called synthetic biology. -
6:46 - 6:48Synthetic biology means -
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6:48 - 6:50you might not know about it,
but your kids do -
6:50 - 6:52because they're all doing it
now in high school. -
6:52 - 6:56It means that you are actually taking
the sequences and manipulating them, -
6:56 - 6:59to produce a previously
non-existent microorganism. -
6:59 - 7:02There's a competition for
high school students and college kids. -
7:02 - 7:05Last year, sixty countries participated.
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7:05 - 7:10Every team that participated had to create
a previously non-exsistent life form. -
7:10 - 7:13And to prove that it was alive
and that it could replicate. -
7:13 - 7:15And these kids
were inventing all kinds of things. -
7:15 - 7:19Mostly very very great, wonderful things
you would say, "That's terrific. -
7:19 - 7:23I'm so glad you made
an asbestos eating bacteria." -
7:23 - 7:27But that is also part of the industry now.
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7:27 - 7:31And every kind of company
from agriculture, to cosmetics, to drugs, -
7:31 - 7:35everybody is now saying,
"Why wait for miracles to happen? -
7:35 - 7:37We're going in there and direct life,
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7:37 - 7:39make it produce what we want it to make,
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7:39 - 7:43and wow, this is
a revolution for the industries." -
7:43 - 7:47Huge profits down the lines,
tremendous possibilites, -
7:47 - 7:49just in antibiotics alone.
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7:49 - 7:55Mining a single species of yeast
and going through their entire sequence -
7:55 - 7:58to determine what synthetic biology
could produce from it -
7:58 - 8:02could come up with twenty candidates
[for] new antibiotics. -
8:02 - 8:06So this means that
there are tremendous upsides -
8:06 - 8:11and fantastic incentives associated
with this entire new sort -
8:11 - 8:14of synthetic biology
meets metagenomics era. -
8:15 - 8:19But I've just had to redo this powerpoint
right up until this morning -
8:19 - 8:22because things are breaking so fast.
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8:22 - 8:24A whole new chromosome,
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8:24 - 8:29a higher-order organism,
made from the DNA nucleotides up, -
8:29 - 8:32it has now self-replicated,
just published last week. -
8:32 - 8:35So this is a man-made yeast.
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8:35 - 8:37It's just one step away
from the next stage -
8:37 - 8:39which will be multicellular creatures.
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8:39 - 8:41But outdone already,
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8:41 - 8:45just announced this week,
is man-made new DNA pieces. -
8:45 - 8:49So instead just ACTG,
as the base pairs of DNA, -
8:49 - 8:52there is now X and Y.
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8:52 - 8:57And they have inserted it into
man-made organism and it replicated them. -
8:57 - 9:00So now, welcome to a whole new world.
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9:00 - 9:05Human beings have decided there shall
actually be a form of DNA on this planet -
9:05 - 9:06with creatures in it
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9:06 - 9:12that can make not 20 amino acids,
but 172 amino acids, -
9:12 - 9:15which means a whole new encyclopedia
of proteins is coming our way. -
9:15 - 9:19Well, one of the people that really
got this ball rolling is Craig Venter, -
9:19 - 9:22one of the greatest biotechnologists
on Earth. -
9:22 - 9:26He was part of sequencing
the original human genome project. -
9:26 - 9:32In 1999, he was the first person to create
a previously non-existent organism. -
9:32 - 9:35Actually, it had existed,
he just replicated it. -
9:35 - 9:39A Phage which is a tiny virus
that infects bacteria. -
9:39 - 9:42He proved it could be done
and he moved on, -
9:42 - 9:46and in 2010, he actually made the first
wholly synthetized living creature, -
9:46 - 9:51a yeast, and named it after his institute,
the J. Craig Venter Institue. -
9:52 - 9:55It replicated, it's alive,
it's sitting in freezers, -
9:55 - 9:57but this is a man-made life form.
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9:57 - 9:59So this was the first, serious one.
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9:59 - 10:01This year, he put out a new book
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10:01 - 10:04describing what he thinks
is the next stage. -
10:04 - 10:09He says: "Stop asking whether
it's a GMO food or whatever. -
10:09 - 10:11Just ask: 'Is the DNA man-made or not?'
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10:12 - 10:14If it's man-made
it's a synthesized organism." -
10:14 - 10:16It's as simple as that.
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10:16 - 10:19And now that we know
that all there is to DNA -
10:19 - 10:21is the actual sequence of the base pairs.
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10:21 - 10:24That's computerized software.
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10:24 - 10:29So now, life boils down to information
which he says can be transmitted. -
10:29 - 10:31Where?
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10:31 - 10:34It can be transmitted to somebody
else's computer or to a 3D printer. -
10:34 - 10:39And so he is now describing a new era
and he is testing it out with NASA, -
10:39 - 10:43sending a launcher to Mars
that will scoop up DNA samples -
10:43 - 10:44and send them back to Earh.
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10:44 - 10:47And he'll 3D print whatever is on Mars.
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10:47 - 10:50That means it's time to stop
thinking about DNA as a mistery -
10:50 - 10:53and it's time to start thinking about it
as an enginnering project. -
10:53 - 10:56Why think of 3D printers
as being about wooden plastic, -
10:56 - 11:00when they can be about nucleotides
including even the new ones, X and Y? -
11:00 - 11:05And your 3D printer can produce
whatever you can imagine as a life form. -
11:05 - 11:07This is our new era.
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11:07 - 11:09It goes like this:
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11:09 - 11:13you do your sequencing, it gets
cheaper every day and faster every day. -
11:13 - 11:16You send it to a computer anywhere
in the entire world. -
11:16 - 11:18You could be anybody
with any motive doing this. -
11:18 - 11:23It prints out through a 3D printer
and bingo! You have a life form. -
11:23 - 11:26This is an impossible thing to regulate.
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11:26 - 11:29An impossible thing
for intelligence forces. -
11:29 - 11:34And the key goal of synthetic biology
is to give functions to life forms -
11:34 - 11:37that they would not
naturally have evolved - -
11:37 - 11:40or at least we don't think
they would have - -
11:40 - 11:44to try and test the limits
on what life forms can do -
11:44 - 11:47is called gain-of-function work.
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11:47 - 11:49And it's extremely controversial.
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11:49 - 11:53It was really kicked off by folks
looking at bird flu, the H5N1 virus, -
11:53 - 11:55which rarely infects people.
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11:55 - 11:59People get it from birds.
It doesn't spread person to person. -
11:59 - 12:02But when a person does get it,
60 percent of them die of it. -
12:02 - 12:05So this is one of the most dangerous
viruses in the world. -
12:05 - 12:08And several different scientific teams
were wondering, but why? -
12:08 - 12:10Why doesn't it spread between people?
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12:10 - 12:14And they decided the best way to answer
was to go ahead and make a form of it, -
12:14 - 12:18deliberately, in the lab,
that would spread and kill people. -
12:18 - 12:23So they made three different gene changes,
three base pairs of DNA. -
12:23 - 12:25Two different labs
independently competing. -
12:25 - 12:31They ran the altered viruses through
ferrets, as a substitute for humans, -
12:31 - 12:36and after a few rounds of passaging,
the animals indeed got an airborne, -
12:36 - 12:40mammal-to-mammal transmitting
super bird flu. -
12:40 - 12:43Well, this of course was
highly controversial, -
12:43 - 12:45but the Chinese said:
"Ah, big deal!" -
12:45 - 12:49And the made a 127 new bird flus,
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12:49 - 12:535 of which spread
through the air between guinea pigs, -
12:53 - 12:56causing lethal infection
in another substitute for humans, -
12:56 - 12:59another mammalian species.
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12:59 - 13:02So, now, we've opened the flood gates,
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13:03 - 13:07to human-directed evolution
being about testing for virulence, -
13:07 - 13:09testing for the trasmissibility
of organisms, -
13:09 - 13:13altering them
to infect different species. -
13:13 - 13:17We've also opened the door
to creating factories for pharmaceuticals, -
13:17 - 13:19and all sorts of likely production.
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13:19 - 13:24And finally, possibly for using cells,
man-made cells as substitutes for animals, -
13:25 - 13:28for testing of drugs
and of pharmaceuticals and so on. -
13:28 - 13:30Is this safe?
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13:30 - 13:33Particularly, when I tell you
the pace of which this is all going on, -
13:33 - 13:35and I've described
to you the explosive nature -
13:35 - 13:37of this research field.
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13:37 - 13:41Well, the only control mechanisms
we have over this are: -
13:41 - 13:461969 Biological Weapons Convention,
the International Health Regulations, -
13:46 - 13:49which are to be enforced by
the World Health Organization, -
13:49 - 13:51which is frankly
on the edge of bankruptcy. -
13:51 - 13:54The World Health Organization
has been running on a huge deficit -
13:54 - 13:56for 3 years now,
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13:56 - 13:58laid off 20% of its staff,
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13:58 - 14:02and shut down its pandemic and
emergency outbreak response capacity. -
14:02 - 14:03So, oops!
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14:04 - 14:06Who is in charge here?
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14:06 - 14:10Really, being in charge requires
some kind of global solidarity -
14:10 - 14:12that we don't really have right now.
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14:12 - 14:14It requires transparency.
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14:14 - 14:19Every nation, every group must disclose
what they're doing and be honest about it. -
14:19 - 14:21If you have an outbreak,
you have to report it. -
14:21 - 14:25You don't cover it up
like China did with SARS in 2003. -
14:25 - 14:28We have to figure out
how to share not only the risks, -
14:28 - 14:32associated with directed evolution
and natural outbreaks, -
14:32 - 14:35but the benefits, the vaccines,
the drugs, which we don't. -
14:35 - 14:40And we have to have mutualism,
like the sharks swimming with pilotfish. -
14:40 - 14:43The big guys and the little guys
have to mutually get something, -
14:43 - 14:45back and forth, from each other,
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14:45 - 14:49that makes it beneficial
for them to coexist. -
14:49 - 14:54Can the big shark countries coexist with
the little pilotfish countries -
14:54 - 14:56in a way that is mutualist?
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14:56 - 14:58This is the only way
we'll get through this. -
14:58 - 15:00Well, right now, that's not the case,
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15:00 - 15:04as this gentleman taught me
when I visited him in Bangladesh. -
15:04 - 15:09He is a poultry farmer, sophisticated guy,
he computerizes all his farms, -
15:09 - 15:11but his farm got hit by bird flu.
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15:11 - 15:16And he was so upset by the pain
and suffering his chickens went through -
15:16 - 15:18that he willingly went along
with the goverment mandate, -
15:18 - 15:21that he slaughtered his entire flock.
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15:21 - 15:25It's farmers like him that are keeping
everybody in this room safe. -
15:25 - 15:28They live in poor countries,
nobody is compensating them -
15:28 - 15:32for destroying their infected animals,
whether it's chickens, ducks, whatever. -
15:32 - 15:38And it's in laboratories of this caliber
that most of your safety is being ensured -
15:38 - 15:42by grossly underpaid people
that are trying to figure out -
15:42 - 15:44what lurks in nature.
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15:44 - 15:46And now, we are going to throw at them.
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15:46 - 15:47You think lurking in nature is bad,
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15:47 - 15:50wait, till you'll see what we're going
to make in rich countries -
15:50 - 15:54and throw your way as man-made,
directed evolution organisms. -
15:54 - 15:58Try being ready for that one,
boys and girls! -
15:58 - 15:59It's not mutualism.
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15:59 - 16:03We don't have the kind of world
where the shared risk and benefit ratio -
16:03 - 16:04makes any sense at all.
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16:04 - 16:10I can assure reasonable amount of safety
for any of us or the animals we eat. -
16:10 - 16:12So, what are my predictions?
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16:12 - 16:15And you can hold me to these the next time
you see me at some TED meeting. -
16:15 - 16:18First of all,
metagenomics is going to on steroids. -
16:18 - 16:22Costs are going to come down even more,
the speed of this machines more, -
16:22 - 16:24people are going to sequence
entire oceans, -
16:24 - 16:26they're going to sequence entire forests,
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16:26 - 16:29we are going to know more about the world
than we can imagine. -
16:29 - 16:32We will see larger organisms man-made.
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16:32 - 16:36I predict that by the end of next year,
a multicellular organism will be made. -
16:36 - 16:38Completely synthesized.
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16:38 - 16:43Something nasty will come out
of the permafrost or the glacier melts. -
16:43 - 16:44And it's really just a question
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16:44 - 16:48of what kind of living
current species it will affect -
16:48 - 16:52and what willl science do
with this nasty organism. -
16:52 - 16:57We will see the 3D printing of life
become normalized, -
16:57 - 17:00become a routine function
in the pharmaceutical industry, -
17:00 - 17:03and food industry,
it will become absolutely normal -
17:03 - 17:05by the end of this decade.
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17:05 - 17:08Nobody will believe
that any of you are even stunned by it. -
17:08 - 17:12And the benefits of all this
actually will be very real. -
17:12 - 17:15We'll be looking at
a 15 to 20 billion dollar industry, -
17:15 - 17:19within the next 4 years, 5 years.
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17:19 - 17:22And many products
that you will be utterly dependent on -
17:22 - 17:25will come from
the synthetic biology industry. -
17:25 - 17:31But the speed of it and the safety of it
will be dangerous, mistakes will be made, -
17:31 - 17:34something will leak from a laboratory,
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17:34 - 17:39or be deliberately leaked
by somebody of malevolent intent. -
17:39 - 17:42And it will only then be
that a moment comes -
17:42 - 17:44when the nations come to their senses,
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17:44 - 17:47and think about
how to properly regulate this new world. -
17:47 - 17:48Thank you.
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17:48 - 17:50(Applause.)
- Title:
- Directing evolution | Laurie Garrett | TEDxDanubia
- Description:
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This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences.
Writer and journalist Laurie Garrett examines the consequences of health care and biotechnology. She claims Charles Darwin a true hero, as he is the one recognizing the essence of existence: the evolution. In her speech, she points out how wonderful evolution is in its natural way. Unfortunately, humanity would like to control it. - Video Language:
- English
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