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Stern: So how do you know an idea is good enough
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if you never try it on stage?
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CK: Well, there is a few different ...
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There is some ideas I just know.
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Some ideas you just go
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'cause you've been repeated
the rhythm so many times
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being on stage and talking
and getting laughs
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Stern: Right.
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CK: I'll have a thought and I'll go
Oh that's ju.. oh that's a bit
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Stern: 'Cause you know it from
all the years of doing it ?
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Yeah you just know
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and then there's other bit things where I go
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I don't think anyone would ever like this.
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This actually might be troubling
to some crowds.
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I wanna try it anyway.
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Stern: Give me an example, if
you could think of one,
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where you said to yourself this could be really good
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but troubling to the crowd and then you got up
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and it just totally--
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like the crowd was just disturbed by it.
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Like, I'm pretty sure my crowd was disturbed
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by Richard's bestiality brackets.
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[CK laughing]
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Don't you think--
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What are you thinking about now
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that can possibly go wrong, or did in the past?
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CK: These days, well, I don't
know about these days, uh,
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I mean I had one bit that never quite made it
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'cause I didn't -- and I could've made it work.
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Stern: Because you were having a dark thought?
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CK: Yeah.
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Stern: It was dark?
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CK: Yeah.
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Stern: What was this dark thought?
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CK: Well last year, I think I did
this on the show actually,
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on the series. I think I put it in there.
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But it was a thing about, uh, you know
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people hate child molesters so much.
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They hate them worse than murderers
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or anybody else.
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Stern: Right, right.
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CK: So getting caught child
molesting is just,
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that's the end.
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Stern: That's the worse.
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CK: It's really the end of your life in every way.
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Stern: That's right.
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CK: Whatever you had is gone.
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Right, so uh, that's why a lot of kids
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that get molested get killed.
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'Cause whatever got you to the moment
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where you molested a kid,
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once you hit that moment,
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you're like, "I can't let this kid go now,
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'cause I'm fucked if this kid
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goes home and tells anybody."
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So you kill the kid.
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So the bit was that if we could hate child
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molesting a little less,
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we might get some kids back.
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[laughing]
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Stern: That is a brilliant thought.
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CK: If somebody could go,
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say to themselves, "Alright I've
molested--"
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You know, someone could call you and go,
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"Hey, I molested your kid.
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Do you want him back after soccer?
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Do you want me to drop him off
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after his game?
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Does he have any allergies I
should know about?"
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Stern: So, we're hurting children by
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hating child molesters so much.
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CK: That's right. Well, I wasn't able to
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come to that conclusion.
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The way I made the bit work, for me,
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and made it palpable for some audiences,
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like 20%, was to say,
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"I don't -- that what I just said is true,
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that if we hated child molesters less,
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less children would die.
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I don't know what to do
with that information."
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[laughing]
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Stern: Like you don't know where to go.
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CK: I don't know what to do with it.
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Stern: You came to the right place today.
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Yeah, this is the place to air those
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kinds of thoughts. Wow.
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CK: So that was a bit where I thought--
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Stern: Maybe the bit was you
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starting a group. I dont, I don't know.
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[laughing]
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CK: When I hit that moment
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when I had that thought,
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I thought, "I'm fucked,
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because I know that's funny
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and people are gonna get upset."
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But I had to do it.
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Stern: But yeah, you have to do that
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because it's so great.
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CK: It's a smart, fun thing to say,
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and I know I'm gonna upset some people
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but I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
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Stern: To me, one of the most
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brilliant hours of stand up
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was when I heard Chris Rock
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do that -- I forget what the special was called
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on HBO but it was all about, you know,
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race issues and, um, black people who,
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uh books were like kryptonite --
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I mean it was the darkest fucking
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most like honest appraisal of everything.
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But I mean, I bet you there was a time
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where he went, "Man, I don't know
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if I don't even know if I can do this stuff."
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CK: Well the thing is,
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you have to with all comedy,
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you have to be willing to fail
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to get something to work.
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And a lot of bits that I've done
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have started off bombing,
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like when I started doing that bit,
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people'd just go "Oh."
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Not even like, uh -- just the bottom
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would drop out of the room,
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it's a bad feeling.
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Stern: Afraid to laugh.
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CK: Yes, just, "Oh no" and
like murmuring, "Oh my goodness."
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Woman: And then they don't know what to
think of your material.
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CK: No, and then you lose credibility
with the audience,
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and then you get a film of sweat,
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and you go, "Here I am, and I just said
this shit, and I'm gonna try to save it."
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But if you repeat that a few times, if you're
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willing to do that, the bit gets stronger
and stronger, and you find ways
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to make it work for people.
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Stern: Yeah, man, oh my God.
That's just so great.