Brain-to-brain communication has arrived. How we did it
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0:00 - 0:07On June 12, 2014, precisely at 3:33
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0:07 - 0:11in a balmy winter afternoon
in São Paulo, Brazil, -
0:11 - 0:15a typical South American winter afternoon,
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0:15 - 0:18this kid, this young man
that you see celebrating here -
0:18 - 0:19like he had scored a goal,
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0:19 - 0:25Juliano Pinto, 29 years old,
accomplished a magnificent deed. -
0:26 - 0:28Despite being paralyzed
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0:28 - 0:33and not having any sensation
from mid-chest to the tip of his toes -
0:33 - 0:38as the result of a car crash six years ago
that killed his brother -
0:38 - 0:45and produced a complete spinal cord lesion
that left Juliano in a wheelchair, -
0:45 - 0:50Juliano rose to the occasion,
and on this day did something -
0:50 - 0:56that pretty much everybody that saw him
in the six years deemed impossible. -
0:57 - 1:02Juliano Pinto delivered the opening kick
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1:02 - 1:08of the 2014 Brazilian
World Soccer Cup here -
1:08 - 1:10just by thinking.
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1:11 - 1:13He could not move his body,
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1:13 - 1:18but he could imagine the movements
needed to kick a ball. -
1:18 - 1:21He was an athlete before the lesion.
He's a para-athlete right now. -
1:21 - 1:24He's going to be in the Paralympic Games,
I hope, in a couple years. -
1:24 - 1:29But what the spinal cord lesion
did not rob from Juliano -
1:29 - 1:32was his ability to dream.
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1:32 - 1:38And dream he did that afternoon,
for a stadium of about 75,000 people -
1:38 - 1:42and an audience of close to a billion
watching on TV. -
1:42 - 1:49And that kick crowned, basically,
30 years of basic research -
1:49 - 1:51studying how the brain,
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1:51 - 1:55how this amazing universe
that we have between our ears -
1:55 - 1:59that is only comparable to universe
that we have above our head -
1:59 - 2:02because it has about 100 billion elements
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2:02 - 2:04talking to each other
through electrical brainstorms, -
2:04 - 2:10what Juliano accomplished
took 30 years to imagine in laboratories -
2:10 - 2:12and about 15 years to plan.
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2:12 - 2:17When John Chapin and I,
15 years ago, proposed in a paper -
2:17 - 2:22that we would build something
that we called a brain-machine interface, -
2:22 - 2:25meaning connecting a brain to devices
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2:25 - 2:28so that animals and humans
could just move these devices, -
2:28 - 2:30no matter how far they are
from their own bodies, -
2:30 - 2:33just by imagining what they want to do,
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2:33 - 2:37our colleagues told us that
we actually needed professional help, -
2:37 - 2:40of the psychiatry variety.
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2:40 - 2:45And despite that,
a Scot and a Brazilian persevered, -
2:45 - 2:50because that's how we were raised
in our respective countries, -
2:50 - 2:53and for 12, 15 years,
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2:53 - 2:57we made demonstration after demonstration
suggesting that this was possible. -
2:57 - 2:59And a brain-machine interface
is not rocket science, -
2:59 - 3:01it's just brain research.
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3:01 - 3:04It's nothing but using sensors
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3:04 - 3:08to read the electrical brainstorms
that a brain is producing -
3:08 - 3:10to generate the motor commands
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3:10 - 3:12that have to be downloaded
to the spinal cord, -
3:12 - 3:15so we projected sensors that can read
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3:15 - 3:18hundreds and now thousands
of these brain cells simultaneously, -
3:18 - 3:21and extract from these electrical signals
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3:21 - 3:24the motor planning
that the brain is generating -
3:24 - 3:27to actually make us move into space.
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3:27 - 3:31And by doing that, we converted
these signals into digital commands -
3:31 - 3:36that any mechanical, electronic,
or even a virtual device can understand -
3:36 - 3:42so that the subject can imagine
what he, she or it wants to make move, -
3:42 - 3:46and the device obeys that brain command.
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3:46 - 3:50By sensorizing these devices
with lots of different types of sensors, -
3:50 - 3:52as you are going to see in a moment,
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3:52 - 3:55we actually sent messages
back to the brain to confirm -
3:55 - 3:59that that voluntary motor will
was being enacted, no matter where -- -
3:59 - 4:04next to the subject, next door,
or across the planet. -
4:04 - 4:08And as this message gave feedback
back to the brain, -
4:08 - 4:12the brain realized its goal:
to make us move. -
4:12 - 4:15So this is just one experiment
that we published a few years ago, -
4:15 - 4:18where a monkey, without moving its body,
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4:18 - 4:22learned to control the movements
of an avatar arm, -
4:22 - 4:24a virtual arm that doesn't exist.
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4:24 - 4:27What you're listening to
is the sound of the brain of this monkey -
4:27 - 4:31as it explores three different
visually identical spheres -
4:31 - 4:33in virtual space.
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4:33 - 4:37And to get a reward,
a drop of orange juice that monkeys love, -
4:37 - 4:41this animal has to detect,
select one of these objects -
4:41 - 4:43by touching,
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4:43 - 4:44not by seeing it, by touching it,
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4:44 - 4:47because every time this virtual hand
touches one of the objects, -
4:47 - 4:50an electrical pulse goes back
to the brain of the animal -
4:50 - 4:55describing the fine texture
of the surface of this object, -
4:55 - 4:59so the animal can judge what is
the correct object that he has to grab, -
4:59 - 5:04and if he does that, he gets a reward
without moving a muscle. -
5:04 - 5:06The perfect Brazilian lunch:
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5:06 - 5:10not moving a muscle
and getting your orange juice. -
5:10 - 5:13So as we saw this happening,
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5:13 - 5:18we actually came and proposed the idea
that we had published 15 years ago. -
5:18 - 5:20We reenacted this paper.
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5:20 - 5:22We got it out of the drawers,
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5:22 - 5:26and we proposed that perhaps we could get
a human being that is paralyzed -
5:26 - 5:30to actually use the brain-machine
interface to regain mobility. -
5:30 - 5:32The idea was that if you suffered --
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5:32 - 5:35and that can happen to any one of us.
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5:35 - 5:37Let me tell you, it's very sudden.
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5:37 - 5:38It's a millisecond of a collision,
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5:38 - 5:42a car accident that
transforms your life completely. -
5:42 - 5:45If you have a complete lesion
of the spinal cord, -
5:45 - 5:48you cannot move because your brainstorms
cannot reach your muscles. -
5:48 - 5:52However, your brainstorms
continue to be generated in your head. -
5:52 - 5:56Paraplegic, quadriplegic patients
dream about moving every night. -
5:56 - 5:58They have that inside their head.
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5:58 - 6:02The problem is how
to get that code out of it -
6:02 - 6:05and make the movement be created again.
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6:05 - 6:08So what we proposed was,
let's create a new body. -
6:08 - 6:10Let's create a robotic vest.
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6:10 - 6:14And that's exactly why Juliano could
kick that ball just by thinking, -
6:14 - 6:19because he was wearing
the first brain-controlled robotic vest -
6:19 - 6:22that can be used by paraplegic,
quadriplegic patients to move -
6:22 - 6:24and to regain feedback.
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6:24 - 6:27That was the original idea, 15 years ago.
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6:27 - 6:32What I'm going to show you is how
156 people from 25 countries -
6:32 - 6:35all over the five continents
of this beautiful Earth, -
6:35 - 6:38dropped their lives,
dropped their patents, -
6:38 - 6:42dropped their dogs, wives,
kids, school, jobs, -
6:42 - 6:48and congregated to come to Brazil
for 18 months to actually get this done. -
6:48 - 6:52Because a couple years after Brazil
was awarded the World Cup, -
6:52 - 6:55we heard that the Brazilian government
wanted to do something meaningful -
6:55 - 6:57in the opening ceremony
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6:57 - 7:01in the country that reinvented
and perfected soccer -
7:01 - 7:03until we met the Germans, of course.
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7:03 - 7:04(Laughter)
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7:04 - 7:06But that's a different talk,
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7:06 - 7:10and a different neuroscientist
needs to talk about that. -
7:10 - 7:12But what Brazil wanted to do
is to showcase -
7:12 - 7:14a completely different country,
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7:14 - 7:17a country that values science
and technology, -
7:17 - 7:21and can give a gift to millions,
25 million people around the world -
7:21 - 7:24that cannot move any longer
because of a spinal cord injury. -
7:24 - 7:27Well, we went to the Brazilian government
and to FIFA and proposed, -
7:27 - 7:30well, let's have the kickoff
of the 2014 World Cup -
7:30 - 7:33be given by a Brazilian paraplegic
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7:33 - 7:38using a brain-controlled exoskeleton
that allows him to kick the ball -
7:38 - 7:40and to feel the contact of the ball.
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7:40 - 7:43They looked at us,
thought that we were completely nuts, -
7:43 - 7:45and said, "Okay, let's try."
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7:45 - 7:50We had 18 months to do everything
from zero, from scratch. -
7:50 - 7:53We had no exoskeleton, we had no patients,
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7:53 - 7:54we had nothing done.
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7:54 - 7:57These people came all together
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7:57 - 8:01and in 18 months, we got eight patients
in a routine of training -
8:01 - 8:05and basically built from nothing this guy,
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8:05 - 8:08that we call Bra-Santos Dumont 1.
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8:09 - 8:13The first brain-controlled
exoskeleton to be built -
8:13 - 8:17was named after the most famous
Brazilian scientist ever, -
8:17 - 8:19Alberto Santos Dumont,
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8:19 - 8:25who, on October 19, 1901,
created and flew himself -
8:25 - 8:32the first controlled airship on air
in Paris for a million people to see. -
8:32 - 8:34Sorry, my American friends,
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8:34 - 8:35I live in North Carolina,
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8:35 - 8:40but it was two years
before the Wright Brothers flew -
8:40 - 8:42on the coast of North Carolina.
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8:42 - 8:45(Applause)
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8:45 - 8:50Flight control is Brazilian.
(Laughter) -
8:50 - 8:53So we went together with these guys
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8:53 - 8:56and we basically put
this exoskeleton together, -
8:56 - 9:0015 degrees of freedom,
hydraulic machine -
9:00 - 9:03that can be commanded by brain signals
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9:03 - 9:07recorded by a non-invasive technology
called electroencephalography -
9:07 - 9:10that can basically allow the patient
to imagine the movements -
9:10 - 9:14and send his commands
to the controls, the motors, -
9:14 - 9:16and get it done.
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9:16 - 9:19This exoskeleton was covered
with an artificial skin -
9:19 - 9:23invented by Gordon Cheng,
one of my greatest friends, in Munich, -
9:23 - 9:27to allow sensation from the joints moving
and the foot touching the ground -
9:27 - 9:32to be delivered back to the patient
through a vest, a shirt. -
9:32 - 9:35It is a smart shirt
with micro-vibrating elements -
9:35 - 9:40that basically delivers the feedback
and fools the patient's brain -
9:40 - 9:43by creating a sensation that it is not
a machine that is carrying him, -
9:43 - 9:46but it is he who is walking again.
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9:46 - 9:49So we got this going,
and what you'll see here -
9:49 - 9:54is the first time one of our patients,
Bruno, actually walked. -
9:54 - 9:57And he takes a few seconds
because we are setting everything, -
9:57 - 10:00and you are going to see a blue light
cutting in front of the helmet -
10:00 - 10:04because Bruno is going to imagine
the movement that needs to be performed, -
10:04 - 10:07the computer is going to analyze it,
Bruno is going to certify it, -
10:07 - 10:09and when it is certified,
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10:09 - 10:13the device starts moving
under the command of Bruno's brain. -
10:13 - 10:17And he just got it right,
and now he starts walking. -
10:17 - 10:20After nine years without
being able to move, -
10:20 - 10:23he is walking by himself.
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10:23 - 10:24And more than that --
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10:24 - 10:28(Applause) --
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10:28 - 10:29more than just walking,
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10:29 - 10:32he is feeling the ground,
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10:32 - 10:34and if the speed of the exo goes up,
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10:34 - 10:38he tells us that he is walking again
on the sand of Santos, -
10:38 - 10:42the beach resort where he used to go
before he had the accident. -
10:42 - 10:46That's why the brain is creating
a new sensation in Bruno's head. -
10:46 - 10:49So he walks, and at the end of the walk --
I am running out of time already -- -
10:49 - 10:52he says, "You know, guys,
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10:52 - 10:55I need to borrow this thing from you
when I get married, -
10:55 - 10:57because I wanted to walk to the priest
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10:57 - 11:01and see my bride and actually
be there by myself. -
11:01 - 11:04Of course, he will have it
whenever he wants. -
11:04 - 11:09And this is what we wanted to show
during the World Cup, and couldn't, -
11:09 - 11:13because for some mysterious reason,
FIFA cut its broadcast in half. -
11:14 - 11:21What you are going to see very quickly
is Juliano Pinto in the exo doing the kick -
11:21 - 11:24a few minutes before we went to the pitch
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11:24 - 11:26and did the real thing
in front of the entire crowd, -
11:26 - 11:30and the lights you are going to see
just describe the operation. -
11:30 - 11:35Basically, the blue lights pulsating
indicate that the exo is ready to go. -
11:35 - 11:38It can receive thoughts
and it can deliver feedback, -
11:38 - 11:41and when Juliano
makes the decision to kick the ball, -
11:41 - 11:44you are going to see
two streams of green and yellow light -
11:44 - 11:47coming from the helmet
and going to the legs, -
11:47 - 11:51representing the mental commands
that were taken by the exo -
11:51 - 11:53to actually make that happen.
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11:53 - 11:55And in basically 13 seconds,
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11:55 - 11:57Juliano actually did.
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11:57 - 11:59You can see the commands.
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11:59 - 12:03He gets ready,
the ball is set, and he kicks. -
12:03 - 12:05And the most amazing thing is,
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12:05 - 12:0910 seconds after he did that,
and looked at us on the pitch, -
12:09 - 12:11he told us, celebrating as you saw,
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12:11 - 12:13"I felt the ball."
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12:14 - 12:16And that's priceless.
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12:16 - 12:18(Applause)
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12:18 - 12:19So where is this going to go?
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12:19 - 12:21I have two minutes to tell you
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12:21 - 12:24that it's going to the limits
of your imagination. -
12:24 - 12:26Brain-actuating technology is here.
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12:26 - 12:29This is the latest: We just
published this a year ago, -
12:29 - 12:31the first brain-to-brain interface
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12:31 - 12:35that allows two animals
to exchange mental messages -
12:35 - 12:38so that one animal that sees something
coming from the environment -
12:38 - 12:44can send a mental SMS,
a torpedo, a neurophysiological torpedo, -
12:44 - 12:46to the second animal,
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12:46 - 12:50and the second animal performs
the act that he needed to perform -
12:50 - 12:54without ever knowing what
the environment was sending as a message, -
12:54 - 12:57because the message came
from the first animal's brain. -
12:57 - 13:00So this is the first demo.
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13:00 - 13:04I'm going to be very quick
because I want to show you the latest. -
13:04 - 13:09But what you see here
is the first rat getting informed -
13:09 - 13:12by a light that is going to show up
on the left of the cage -
13:12 - 13:16that he has to press the left cage
to basically get a reward. -
13:16 - 13:18He goes there and does it.
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13:18 - 13:20And the same time,
he is sending a mental message -
13:20 - 13:23to the second rat
that didn't see any light, -
13:23 - 13:25and the second rat,
in 70 percent of the times -
13:25 - 13:30is going to press the left lever
and get a reward -
13:30 - 13:34without ever experiencing
the light in the retina. -
13:34 - 13:38Well, we took this
to a little higher limit -
13:38 - 13:43by getting monkeys to collaborate
mentally in a brain net, -
13:43 - 13:45basically to donate their brain activity
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13:45 - 13:48and combine them to move
the virtual arm that I showed you before, -
13:48 - 13:53and what you see here is the first time
the two monkeys combine their brains, -
13:53 - 13:57synchronize their brains perfectly
to get this virtual arm to move. -
13:57 - 14:00One monkey is controlling the x dimension,
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14:00 - 14:03the other monkey
is controlling the y dimension. -
14:03 - 14:07But it gets a little more interesting
when you get three monkeys in there -
14:07 - 14:11and you ask one monkey to control x and y,
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14:11 - 14:14the other monkey to control y and z,
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14:14 - 14:17and the third one to control x and z,
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14:17 - 14:19and you make them all
play the game together, -
14:19 - 14:25moving the arm in 3D into a target
to get the famous Brazilian orange juice. -
14:25 - 14:27And they actually do.
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14:27 - 14:31The black dot is the average
of all these brains working -
14:31 - 14:34in parallel, in real time.
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14:34 - 14:37That is the definition
of a biological computer, -
14:37 - 14:42interacting by brain activity
and achieving a motor goal. -
14:42 - 14:44Where is this going?
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14:44 - 14:46We have no idea.
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14:46 - 14:48We're just scientists.
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14:48 - 14:49(Laughter)
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14:49 - 14:52We are paid to be children,
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14:52 - 14:56to basically go to the edge
and discover what is out there. -
14:56 - 14:57But one thing I know:
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14:57 - 15:00One day, in a few decades,
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15:00 - 15:03when our grandchildren
surf the Net just by thinking, -
15:03 - 15:07or a mother donates her eyesight
to an autistic kid who cannot see, -
15:07 - 15:10or somebody speaks because
of a brain-to-brain bypass, -
15:10 - 15:17some of you will remember
that it all started on a winter afternoon -
15:17 - 15:21in a Brazilian soccer field
with an impossible kick. -
15:21 - 15:22Thank you.
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15:22 - 15:28(Applause)
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15:32 - 15:35Thank you.
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15:47 - 15:51Bruno Giussani: Miguel,
thank you for sticking to your time. -
15:51 - 15:54I actually would have given you
a couple more minutes, -
15:54 - 15:57because there are a couple of points
we want to develop, and, of course, -
15:57 - 16:01clearly it seems that we need connected
brains to figure out where this is going. -
16:01 - 16:03So let's connect all this together.
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16:03 - 16:04So if I'm understanding correctly,
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16:04 - 16:07one of the monkeys
is actually getting a signal -
16:07 - 16:09and the other monkey
is reacting to that signal -
16:09 - 16:14just because the first one is receiving it
and transmitting the neurological impulse. -
16:14 - 16:16Miguel Nicolelis:
No, it's a little different. -
16:16 - 16:19No monkey knows of the existence
of the other two monkeys. -
16:19 - 16:22They are getting a visual feedback in 2D,
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16:22 - 16:24but the task they have
to accomplish is 3D. -
16:24 - 16:27They have to move an arm
in three dimensions. -
16:27 - 16:30But each monkey is only getting
the two dimensions on the video screen -
16:30 - 16:32that the monkey controls.
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16:32 - 16:35And to get that thing done,
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16:35 - 16:38you need at least two monkeys
to synchronize their brains, -
16:38 - 16:40but the ideal is three.
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16:40 - 16:43So what we found out is that
when one monkey starts slacking down, -
16:43 - 16:46the other two monkeys
enhance their performance -
16:46 - 16:48to get the guy to come back,
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16:48 - 16:50so this adjusts dynamically,
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16:50 - 16:54but the global synchrony remains the same.
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16:54 - 16:57Now, if you flip
without telling the monkey -
16:57 - 16:59the dimensions that each brain
has to control, -
16:59 - 17:02like this guy is controlling x and y,
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17:02 - 17:04but he should be controlling now y and z,
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17:04 - 17:09instantaneously, that animal's brain
forgets about the old dimensions -
17:09 - 17:11and it starts concentrating
on the new dimensions. -
17:11 - 17:15So what I need to say is
that no Turing machine, -
17:15 - 17:19no computer can predict
what a brain net will do. -
17:19 - 17:21So we will absorb technology
as part of us. -
17:21 - 17:24Technology will never absorb us.
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17:24 - 17:26It's simply impossible.
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17:26 - 17:30BG: How many times have you tested this?
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17:30 - 17:32And how many times
have you succeeded versus failed? -
17:32 - 17:34MN: Oh, tens of times.
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17:34 - 17:37With the three monkeys?
Oh, several times. -
17:37 - 17:41I wouldn't be able to talk about this here
unless I had done it a few times. -
17:41 - 17:44And I forgot to mention, because of time,
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17:44 - 17:48that just three weeks ago,
a European group -
17:48 - 17:53just demonstrated the first
man-to-man brain-to-brain connection. -
17:53 - 17:54BG: And how does that play?
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17:54 - 17:59MN: There was one bit of information --
big ideas start in a humble way -- -
17:59 - 18:05but basically the brain activity
of one subject -
18:05 - 18:09was transmitted to a second object,
all non-invasive technology. -
18:09 - 18:14So the first subject got a message,
like our rats, a visual message, -
18:14 - 18:16and transmitted it to the second subject.
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18:16 - 18:21The second subject received
a magnetic pulse in the visual cortex, -
18:21 - 18:24or a different pulse,
two different pulses. -
18:24 - 18:27In one pulse, the subject saw something.
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18:27 - 18:29On the other pulse,
he saw something different. -
18:29 - 18:31And he was able to verbally indicate
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18:31 - 18:34what was the message
the first subject was sending -
18:34 - 18:37through the Internet across continents.
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18:37 - 18:39Moderator: Wow.
Okay, that's where we are going. -
18:39 - 18:42That's the next TED Talk
at the next conference. -
18:42 - 18:45Miguel Nicolelis, thank you.
MN: Thank you, Bruno. Thank you.
- Title:
- Brain-to-brain communication has arrived. How we did it
- Speaker:
- Miguel Nicolelis
- Description:
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You may remember neuroscientist Miguel Nicolelis — he built the brain-controlled exoskeleton that allowed a paralyzed man to kick the first ball of the 2014 World Cup. What’s he working on now? Building ways for two minds (rats and monkeys, for now) to send messages brain to brain. Watch to the end for an experiment that, as he says, will go to "the limit of your imagination."
- Video Language:
- English
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- Duration:
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