1 00:00:00,454 --> 00:00:06,966 On June 12, 2014, precisely at 3:33 2 00:00:06,966 --> 00:00:11,106 in a balmy winter afternoon in São Paulo, Brazil, 3 00:00:11,106 --> 00:00:14,632 a typical South American winter afternoon, 4 00:00:14,632 --> 00:00:17,612 this kid, this young man that you see celebrating here 5 00:00:17,612 --> 00:00:19,131 like he had scored a goal, 6 00:00:19,131 --> 00:00:25,062 Juliano Pinto, 29 years old, accomplished a magnificent deed. 7 00:00:26,102 --> 00:00:28,182 Despite being paralyzed 8 00:00:28,182 --> 00:00:33,163 and not having any sensation from mid-chest to the tip of his toes 9 00:00:33,163 --> 00:00:37,693 as the result of a car crash six years ago that killed his brother 10 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:45,187 and produced a complete spinal cord lesion that left Juliano in a wheelchair, 11 00:00:45,187 --> 00:00:50,217 Juliano rose to the occasion, and on this day did something 12 00:00:50,217 --> 00:00:56,222 that pretty much everybody that saw him in the six years deemed impossible. 13 00:00:57,062 --> 00:01:02,394 Juliano Pinto delivered the opening kick 14 00:01:02,394 --> 00:01:08,410 of the 2014 Brazilian World Soccer Cup here 15 00:01:08,410 --> 00:01:09,880 just by thinking. 16 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:12,697 He could not move his body, 17 00:01:12,697 --> 00:01:17,584 but he could imagine the movements needed to kick a ball. 18 00:01:17,584 --> 00:01:20,838 He was an athlete before the lesion. He's a para-athlete right now. 19 00:01:20,838 --> 00:01:24,300 He's going to be in the Paralympic Games, I hope, in a couple years. 20 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:28,882 But what the spinal cord lesion did not rob from Juliano 21 00:01:28,882 --> 00:01:31,883 was his ability to dream. 22 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:37,933 And dream he did that afternoon, for a stadium of about 75,000 people 23 00:01:37,933 --> 00:01:42,424 and an audience of close to a billion watching on TV. 24 00:01:42,424 --> 00:01:48,725 And that kick crowned, basically, 30 years of basic research 25 00:01:48,725 --> 00:01:50,972 studying how the brain, 26 00:01:50,972 --> 00:01:54,699 how this amazing universe that we have between our ears 27 00:01:54,699 --> 00:01:58,795 that is only comparable to universe that we have above our head 28 00:01:58,795 --> 00:02:01,561 because it has about 100 billion elements 29 00:02:01,561 --> 00:02:04,263 talking to each other through electrical brainstorms, 30 00:02:04,263 --> 00:02:09,504 what Juliano accomplished took 30 years to imagine in laboratories 31 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:12,107 and about 15 years to plan. 32 00:02:12,107 --> 00:02:16,606 When John Chapin and I, 15 years ago, proposed in a paper 33 00:02:16,606 --> 00:02:21,788 that we would build something that we called a brain-machine interface, 34 00:02:21,788 --> 00:02:24,745 meaning connecting a brain to devices 35 00:02:24,745 --> 00:02:28,289 so that animals and humans could just move these devices, 36 00:02:28,289 --> 00:02:30,140 no matter how far they are from their own bodies, 37 00:02:30,140 --> 00:02:32,726 just by imagining what they want to do, 38 00:02:32,726 --> 00:02:37,313 our colleagues told us that we actually needed professional help, 39 00:02:37,313 --> 00:02:40,010 of the psychiatry variety. 40 00:02:40,010 --> 00:02:45,452 And despite that, a Scot and a Brazilian persevered, 41 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:50,471 because that's how we were raised in our respective countries, 42 00:02:50,471 --> 00:02:52,607 and for 12, 15 years, 43 00:02:52,607 --> 00:02:56,996 we made demonstration after demonstration suggesting that this was possible. 44 00:02:56,996 --> 00:02:59,445 And a brain-machine interface is not rocket science, 45 00:02:59,445 --> 00:03:01,171 it's just brain research. 46 00:03:01,171 --> 00:03:04,418 It's nothing but using sensors 47 00:03:04,418 --> 00:03:07,965 to read the electrical brainstorms that a brain is producing 48 00:03:07,965 --> 00:03:09,971 to generate the motor commands 49 00:03:09,971 --> 00:03:12,184 that have to be downloaded to the spinal cord, 50 00:03:12,184 --> 00:03:14,847 so we projected sensors that can read 51 00:03:14,847 --> 00:03:18,362 hundreds and now thousands of these brain cells simultaneously, 52 00:03:18,362 --> 00:03:21,408 and extract from these electrical signals 53 00:03:21,408 --> 00:03:24,293 the motor planning that the brain is generating 54 00:03:24,293 --> 00:03:27,256 to actually make us move into space. 55 00:03:27,256 --> 00:03:30,942 And by doing that, we converted these signals into digital commands 56 00:03:30,942 --> 00:03:35,934 that any mechanical, electronic, or even a virtual device can understand 57 00:03:35,934 --> 00:03:42,490 so that the subject can imagine what he, she or it wants to make move, 58 00:03:42,490 --> 00:03:45,941 and the device obeys that brain command. 59 00:03:45,941 --> 00:03:49,845 By sensorizing these devices with lots of different types of sensors, 60 00:03:49,845 --> 00:03:51,630 as you are going to see in a moment, 61 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:55,099 we actually sent messages back to the brain to confirm 62 00:03:55,099 --> 00:03:59,054 that that voluntary motor will was being enacted, no matter where -- 63 00:03:59,054 --> 00:04:04,429 next to the subject, next door, or across the planet. 64 00:04:04,429 --> 00:04:07,670 And as this message gave feedback back to the brain, 65 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:11,888 the brain realized its goal: to make us move. 66 00:04:11,888 --> 00:04:15,346 So this is just one experiment that we published a few years ago, 67 00:04:15,346 --> 00:04:17,673 where a monkey, without moving its body, 68 00:04:17,673 --> 00:04:21,777 learned to control the movements of an avatar arm, 69 00:04:21,777 --> 00:04:23,823 a virtual arm that doesn't exist. 70 00:04:23,823 --> 00:04:27,025 What you're listening to is the sound of the brain of this monkey 71 00:04:27,025 --> 00:04:31,429 as it explores three different visually identical spheres 72 00:04:31,429 --> 00:04:33,088 in virtual space. 73 00:04:33,088 --> 00:04:37,130 And to get a reward, a drop of orange juice that monkeys love, 74 00:04:37,130 --> 00:04:40,942 this animal has to detect, select one of these objects 75 00:04:40,942 --> 00:04:42,703 by touching, 76 00:04:42,703 --> 00:04:44,355 not by seeing it, by touching it, 77 00:04:44,355 --> 00:04:47,400 because every time this virtual hand touches one of the objects, 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,483 an electrical pulse goes back to the brain of the animal 79 00:04:50,483 --> 00:04:54,876 describing the fine texture of the surface of this object, 80 00:04:54,876 --> 00:04:58,774 so the animal can judge what is the correct object that he has to grab, 81 00:04:58,774 --> 00:05:04,018 and if he does that, he gets a reward without moving a muscle. 82 00:05:04,018 --> 00:05:06,498 The perfect Brazilian lunch: 83 00:05:06,498 --> 00:05:10,213 not moving a muscle and getting your orange juice. 84 00:05:10,213 --> 00:05:13,017 So as we saw this happening, 85 00:05:13,017 --> 00:05:17,962 we actually came and proposed the idea that we had published 15 years ago. 86 00:05:17,962 --> 00:05:19,991 We reenacted this paper. 87 00:05:19,991 --> 00:05:21,960 We got it out of the drawers, 88 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,887 and we proposed that perhaps we could get a human being that is paralyzed 89 00:05:25,887 --> 00:05:30,190 to actually use the brain-machine interface to regain mobility. 90 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:32,368 The idea was that if you suffered -- 91 00:05:32,368 --> 00:05:34,641 and that can happen to any one of us. 92 00:05:34,641 --> 00:05:36,653 Let me tell you, it's very sudden. 93 00:05:36,653 --> 00:05:38,378 It's a millisecond of a collision, 94 00:05:38,378 --> 00:05:41,840 a car accident that transforms your life completely. 95 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,697 If you have a complete lesion of the spinal cord, 96 00:05:44,697 --> 00:05:48,080 you cannot move because your brainstorms cannot reach your muscles. 97 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,330 However, your brainstorms continue to be generated in your head. 98 00:05:52,330 --> 00:05:56,245 Paraplegic, quadriplegic patients dream about moving every night. 99 00:05:56,245 --> 00:05:58,397 They have that inside their head. 100 00:05:58,397 --> 00:06:01,738 The problem is how to get that code out of it 101 00:06:01,738 --> 00:06:04,662 and make the movement be created again. 102 00:06:04,662 --> 00:06:07,883 So what we proposed was, let's create a new body. 103 00:06:07,883 --> 00:06:09,619 Let's create a robotic vest. 104 00:06:09,619 --> 00:06:14,462 And that's exactly why Juliano could kick that ball just by thinking, 105 00:06:14,462 --> 00:06:18,781 because he was wearing the first brain-controlled robotic vest 106 00:06:18,781 --> 00:06:22,060 that can be used by paraplegic, quadriplegic patients to move 107 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:23,871 and to regain feedback. 108 00:06:23,871 --> 00:06:26,768 That was the original idea, 15 years ago. 109 00:06:26,768 --> 00:06:32,242 What I'm going to show you is how 156 people from 25 countries 110 00:06:32,242 --> 00:06:35,011 all over the five continents of this beautiful Earth, 111 00:06:35,011 --> 00:06:38,029 dropped their lives, dropped their patents, 112 00:06:38,029 --> 00:06:42,139 dropped their dogs, wives, kids, school, jobs, 113 00:06:42,139 --> 00:06:47,656 and congregated to come to Brazil for 18 months to actually get this done. 114 00:06:47,656 --> 00:06:51,531 Because a couple years after Brazil was awarded the World Cup, 115 00:06:51,531 --> 00:06:55,183 we heard that the Brazilian government wanted to do something meaningful 116 00:06:55,183 --> 00:06:56,881 in the opening ceremony 117 00:06:56,881 --> 00:07:00,621 in the country that reinvented and perfected soccer 118 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:02,827 until we met the Germans, of course. 119 00:07:02,827 --> 00:07:04,220 (Laughter) 120 00:07:04,220 --> 00:07:06,055 But that's a different talk, 121 00:07:06,055 --> 00:07:10,095 and a different neuroscientist needs to talk about that. 122 00:07:10,095 --> 00:07:12,169 But what Brazil wanted to do is to showcase 123 00:07:12,169 --> 00:07:13,894 a completely different country, 124 00:07:13,894 --> 00:07:16,782 a country that values science and technology, 125 00:07:16,782 --> 00:07:20,665 and can give a gift to millions, 25 million people around the world 126 00:07:20,665 --> 00:07:23,500 that cannot move any longer because of a spinal cord injury. 127 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:27,104 Well, we went to the Brazilian government and to FIFA and proposed, 128 00:07:27,104 --> 00:07:30,472 well, let's have the kickoff of the 2014 World Cup 129 00:07:30,472 --> 00:07:32,844 be given by a Brazilian paraplegic 130 00:07:32,844 --> 00:07:37,734 using a brain-controlled exoskeleton that allows him to kick the ball 131 00:07:37,734 --> 00:07:40,010 and to feel the contact of the ball. 132 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:42,624 They looked at us, thought that we were completely nuts, 133 00:07:42,624 --> 00:07:45,480 and said, "Okay, let's try." 134 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,720 We had 18 months to do everything from zero, from scratch. 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,956 We had no exoskeleton, we had no patients, 136 00:07:52,956 --> 00:07:54,173 we had nothing done. 137 00:07:54,173 --> 00:07:56,509 These people came all together 138 00:07:56,509 --> 00:08:00,757 and in 18 months, we got eight patients in a routine of training 139 00:08:00,757 --> 00:08:04,855 and basically built from nothing this guy, 140 00:08:04,855 --> 00:08:08,435 that we call Bra-Santos Dumont 1. 141 00:08:09,315 --> 00:08:12,740 The first brain-controlled exoskeleton to be built 142 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:16,896 was named after the most famous Brazilian scientist ever, 143 00:08:16,896 --> 00:08:18,869 Alberto Santos Dumont, 144 00:08:18,869 --> 00:08:24,672 who, on October 19, 1901, created and flew himself 145 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:31,899 the first controlled airship on air in Paris for a million people to see. 146 00:08:31,899 --> 00:08:33,918 Sorry, my American friends, 147 00:08:33,918 --> 00:08:35,228 I live in North Carolina, 148 00:08:35,228 --> 00:08:40,110 but it was two years before the Wright Brothers flew 149 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:42,274 on the coast of North Carolina. 150 00:08:42,274 --> 00:08:44,849 (Applause) 151 00:08:45,339 --> 00:08:50,117 Flight control is Brazilian. (Laughter) 152 00:08:50,117 --> 00:08:53,117 So we went together with these guys 153 00:08:53,117 --> 00:08:56,018 and we basically put this exoskeleton together, 154 00:08:56,018 --> 00:08:59,990 15 degrees of freedom, hydraulic machine 155 00:08:59,990 --> 00:09:02,707 that can be commanded by brain signals 156 00:09:02,707 --> 00:09:06,925 recorded by a non-invasive technology called electroencephalography 157 00:09:06,925 --> 00:09:10,114 that can basically allow the patient to imagine the movements 158 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:14,065 and send his commands to the controls, the motors, 159 00:09:14,065 --> 00:09:15,867 and get it done. 160 00:09:15,867 --> 00:09:18,730 This exoskeleton was covered with an artificial skin 161 00:09:18,730 --> 00:09:22,814 invented by Gordon Cheng, one of my greatest friends, in Munich, 162 00:09:22,814 --> 00:09:27,400 to allow sensation from the joints moving and the foot touching the ground 163 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,940 to be delivered back to the patient through a vest, a shirt. 164 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:34,910 It is a smart shirt with micro-vibrating elements 165 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:39,733 that basically delivers the feedback and fools the patient's brain 166 00:09:39,733 --> 00:09:43,204 by creating a sensation that it is not a machine that is carrying him, 167 00:09:43,204 --> 00:09:46,454 but it is he who is walking again. 168 00:09:46,454 --> 00:09:49,313 So we got this going, and what you'll see here 169 00:09:49,313 --> 00:09:54,003 is the first time one of our patients, Bruno, actually walked. 170 00:09:54,003 --> 00:09:56,881 And he takes a few seconds because we are setting everything, 171 00:09:56,881 --> 00:10:00,178 and you are going to see a blue light cutting in front of the helmet 172 00:10:00,178 --> 00:10:04,098 because Bruno is going to imagine the movement that needs to be performed, 173 00:10:04,098 --> 00:10:07,306 the computer is going to analyze it, Bruno is going to certify it, 174 00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:09,115 and when it is certified, 175 00:10:09,115 --> 00:10:12,642 the device starts moving under the command of Bruno's brain. 176 00:10:12,642 --> 00:10:17,217 And he just got it right, and now he starts walking. 177 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:20,003 After nine years without being able to move, 178 00:10:20,003 --> 00:10:22,673 he is walking by himself. 179 00:10:22,673 --> 00:10:24,275 And more than that -- 180 00:10:24,275 --> 00:10:27,503 (Applause) -- 181 00:10:27,503 --> 00:10:29,290 more than just walking, 182 00:10:29,290 --> 00:10:31,608 he is feeling the ground, 183 00:10:31,608 --> 00:10:33,651 and if the speed of the exo goes up, 184 00:10:33,651 --> 00:10:38,102 he tells us that he is walking again on the sand of Santos, 185 00:10:38,102 --> 00:10:42,293 the beach resort where he used to go before he had the accident. 186 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:45,757 That's why the brain is creating a new sensation in Bruno's head. 187 00:10:45,757 --> 00:10:49,456 So he walks, and at the end of the walk -- I am running out of time already -- 188 00:10:49,456 --> 00:10:52,180 he says, "You know, guys, 189 00:10:52,180 --> 00:10:54,811 I need to borrow this thing from you when I get married, 190 00:10:54,811 --> 00:10:57,316 because I wanted to walk to the priest 191 00:10:57,316 --> 00:11:01,090 and see my bride and actually be there by myself. 192 00:11:01,090 --> 00:11:04,482 Of course, he will have it whenever he wants. 193 00:11:04,482 --> 00:11:08,564 And this is what we wanted to show during the World Cup, and couldn't, 194 00:11:08,564 --> 00:11:12,738 because for some mysterious reason, FIFA cut its broadcast in half. 195 00:11:13,618 --> 00:11:21,291 What you are going to see very quickly is Juliano Pinto in the exo doing the kick 196 00:11:21,291 --> 00:11:23,588 a few minutes before we went to the pitch 197 00:11:23,588 --> 00:11:26,499 and did the real thing in front of the entire crowd, 198 00:11:26,499 --> 00:11:29,880 and the lights you are going to see just describe the operation. 199 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,768 Basically, the blue lights pulsating indicate that the exo is ready to go. 200 00:11:34,768 --> 00:11:37,843 It can receive thoughts and it can deliver feedback, 201 00:11:37,843 --> 00:11:40,861 and when Juliano makes the decision to kick the ball, 202 00:11:40,861 --> 00:11:43,964 you are going to see two streams of green and yellow light 203 00:11:43,964 --> 00:11:46,641 coming from the helmet and going to the legs, 204 00:11:46,641 --> 00:11:50,742 representing the mental commands that were taken by the exo 205 00:11:50,742 --> 00:11:52,641 to actually make that happen. 206 00:11:52,641 --> 00:11:55,336 And in basically 13 seconds, 207 00:11:55,336 --> 00:11:57,419 Juliano actually did. 208 00:11:57,419 --> 00:11:59,135 You can see the commands. 209 00:11:59,135 --> 00:12:03,475 He gets ready, the ball is set, and he kicks. 210 00:12:03,475 --> 00:12:05,353 And the most amazing thing is, 211 00:12:05,353 --> 00:12:08,585 10 seconds after he did that, and looked at us on the pitch, 212 00:12:08,585 --> 00:12:10,862 he told us, celebrating as you saw, 213 00:12:10,862 --> 00:12:12,692 "I felt the ball." 214 00:12:13,562 --> 00:12:15,759 And that's priceless. 215 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:17,631 (Applause) 216 00:12:17,631 --> 00:12:19,131 So where is this going to go? 217 00:12:19,131 --> 00:12:21,066 I have two minutes to tell you 218 00:12:21,066 --> 00:12:24,316 that it's going to the limits of your imagination. 219 00:12:24,316 --> 00:12:26,495 Brain-actuating technology is here. 220 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:29,049 This is the latest: We just published this a year ago, 221 00:12:29,049 --> 00:12:31,282 the first brain-to-brain interface 222 00:12:31,282 --> 00:12:34,909 that allows two animals to exchange mental messages 223 00:12:34,909 --> 00:12:38,485 so that one animal that sees something coming from the environment 224 00:12:38,485 --> 00:12:44,037 can send a mental SMS, a torpedo, a neurophysiological torpedo, 225 00:12:44,042 --> 00:12:45,648 to the second animal, 226 00:12:45,648 --> 00:12:49,525 and the second animal performs the act that he needed to perform 227 00:12:49,525 --> 00:12:53,983 without ever knowing what the environment was sending as a message, 228 00:12:53,983 --> 00:12:57,279 because the message came from the first animal's brain. 229 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,649 So this is the first demo. 230 00:12:59,649 --> 00:13:03,603 I'm going to be very quick because I want to show you the latest. 231 00:13:03,603 --> 00:13:09,173 But what you see here is the first rat getting informed 232 00:13:09,192 --> 00:13:12,125 by a light that is going to show up on the left of the cage 233 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:15,865 that he has to press the left cage to basically get a reward. 234 00:13:15,865 --> 00:13:17,658 He goes there and does it. 235 00:13:17,658 --> 00:13:19,984 And the same time, he is sending a mental message 236 00:13:19,984 --> 00:13:23,007 to the second rat that didn't see any light, 237 00:13:23,007 --> 00:13:25,368 and the second rat, in 70 percent of the times 238 00:13:25,368 --> 00:13:29,581 is going to press the left lever and get a reward 239 00:13:29,581 --> 00:13:33,716 without ever experiencing the light in the retina. 240 00:13:33,716 --> 00:13:37,850 Well, we took this to a little higher limit 241 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:42,582 by getting monkeys to collaborate mentally in a brain net, 242 00:13:42,582 --> 00:13:44,772 basically to donate their brain activity 243 00:13:44,772 --> 00:13:48,290 and combine them to move the virtual arm that I showed you before, 244 00:13:48,290 --> 00:13:53,058 and what you see here is the first time the two monkeys combine their brains, 245 00:13:53,058 --> 00:13:57,316 synchronize their brains perfectly to get this virtual arm to move. 246 00:13:57,316 --> 00:14:00,116 One monkey is controlling the x dimension, 247 00:14:00,116 --> 00:14:02,996 the other monkey is controlling the y dimension. 248 00:14:02,996 --> 00:14:07,176 But it gets a little more interesting when you get three monkeys in there 249 00:14:07,176 --> 00:14:10,983 and you ask one monkey to control x and y, 250 00:14:10,983 --> 00:14:13,654 the other monkey to control y and z, 251 00:14:13,654 --> 00:14:16,532 and the third one to control x and z, 252 00:14:16,532 --> 00:14:18,648 and you make them all play the game together, 253 00:14:18,648 --> 00:14:24,602 moving the arm in 3D into a target to get the famous Brazilian orange juice. 254 00:14:24,602 --> 00:14:26,987 And they actually do. 255 00:14:26,987 --> 00:14:31,161 The black dot is the average of all these brains working 256 00:14:31,161 --> 00:14:34,019 in parallel, in real time. 257 00:14:34,019 --> 00:14:37,105 That is the definition of a biological computer, 258 00:14:37,105 --> 00:14:41,647 interacting by brain activity and achieving a motor goal. 259 00:14:41,647 --> 00:14:43,536 Where is this going? 260 00:14:43,536 --> 00:14:46,121 We have no idea. 261 00:14:46,121 --> 00:14:47,921 We're just scientists. 262 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,218 (Laughter) 263 00:14:49,218 --> 00:14:51,774 We are paid to be children, 264 00:14:51,774 --> 00:14:55,764 to basically go to the edge and discover what is out there. 265 00:14:55,764 --> 00:14:57,450 But one thing I know: 266 00:14:57,450 --> 00:14:59,635 One day, in a few decades, 267 00:14:59,635 --> 00:15:03,157 when our grandchildren surf the Net just by thinking, 268 00:15:03,157 --> 00:15:07,475 or a mother donates her eyesight to an autistic kid who cannot see, 269 00:15:07,475 --> 00:15:10,403 or somebody speaks because of a brain-to-brain bypass, 270 00:15:10,403 --> 00:15:16,730 some of you will remember that it all started on a winter afternoon 271 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:20,502 in a Brazilian soccer field with an impossible kick. 272 00:15:20,502 --> 00:15:22,498 Thank you. 273 00:15:22,498 --> 00:15:28,163 (Applause) 274 00:15:31,962 --> 00:15:35,222 Thank you. 275 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,004 Bruno Giussani: Miguel, thank you for sticking to your time. 276 00:15:51,004 --> 00:15:53,529 I actually would have given you a couple more minutes, 277 00:15:53,529 --> 00:15:56,913 because there are a couple of points we want to develop, and, of course, 278 00:15:56,913 --> 00:16:00,810 clearly it seems that we need connected brains to figure out where this is going. 279 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:02,712 So let's connect all this together. 280 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,381 So if I'm understanding correctly, 281 00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:06,880 one of the monkeys is actually getting a signal 282 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,146 and the other monkey is reacting to that signal 283 00:16:09,146 --> 00:16:13,631 just because the first one is receiving it and transmitting the neurological impulse. 284 00:16:13,631 --> 00:16:15,855 Miguel Nicolelis: No, it's a little different. 285 00:16:15,855 --> 00:16:18,746 No monkey knows of the existence of the other two monkeys. 286 00:16:18,746 --> 00:16:21,682 They are getting a visual feedback in 2D, 287 00:16:21,682 --> 00:16:24,355 but the task they have to accomplish is 3D. 288 00:16:24,355 --> 00:16:26,954 They have to move an arm in three dimensions. 289 00:16:26,954 --> 00:16:30,356 But each monkey is only getting the two dimensions on the video screen 290 00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:32,132 that the monkey controls. 291 00:16:32,132 --> 00:16:35,150 And to get that thing done, 292 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:37,964 you need at least two monkeys to synchronize their brains, 293 00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,735 but the ideal is three. 294 00:16:39,735 --> 00:16:43,351 So what we found out is that when one monkey starts slacking down, 295 00:16:43,351 --> 00:16:45,962 the other two monkeys enhance their performance 296 00:16:45,962 --> 00:16:47,944 to get the guy to come back, 297 00:16:47,944 --> 00:16:50,050 so this adjusts dynamically, 298 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:54,399 but the global synchrony remains the same. 299 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:57,023 Now, if you flip without telling the monkey 300 00:16:57,023 --> 00:16:59,321 the dimensions that each brain has to control, 301 00:16:59,321 --> 00:17:01,620 like this guy is controlling x and y, 302 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:04,035 but he should be controlling now y and z, 303 00:17:04,035 --> 00:17:08,818 instantaneously, that animal's brain forgets about the old dimensions 304 00:17:08,818 --> 00:17:11,336 and it starts concentrating on the new dimensions. 305 00:17:11,336 --> 00:17:14,623 So what I need to say is that no Turing machine, 306 00:17:14,623 --> 00:17:18,825 no computer can predict what a brain net will do. 307 00:17:18,825 --> 00:17:21,206 So we will absorb technology as part of us. 308 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:23,815 Technology will never absorb us. 309 00:17:23,815 --> 00:17:26,456 It's simply impossible. 310 00:17:26,456 --> 00:17:29,506 BG: How many times have you tested this? 311 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,051 And how many times have you succeeded versus failed? 312 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,327 MN: Oh, tens of times. 313 00:17:34,327 --> 00:17:36,565 With the three monkeys? Oh, several times. 314 00:17:36,565 --> 00:17:41,185 I wouldn't be able to talk about this here unless I had done it a few times. 315 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:43,786 And I forgot to mention, because of time, 316 00:17:43,786 --> 00:17:47,547 that just three weeks ago, a European group 317 00:17:47,547 --> 00:17:52,637 just demonstrated the first man-to-man brain-to-brain connection. 318 00:17:52,637 --> 00:17:54,157 BG: And how does that play? 319 00:17:54,157 --> 00:17:58,739 MN: There was one bit of information -- big ideas start in a humble way -- 320 00:17:58,739 --> 00:18:05,102 but basically the brain activity of one subject 321 00:18:05,102 --> 00:18:09,308 was transmitted to a second object, all non-invasive technology. 322 00:18:09,308 --> 00:18:13,552 So the first subject got a message, like our rats, a visual message, 323 00:18:13,552 --> 00:18:16,106 and transmitted it to the second subject. 324 00:18:16,106 --> 00:18:20,588 The second subject received a magnetic pulse in the visual cortex, 325 00:18:20,588 --> 00:18:24,094 or a different pulse, two different pulses. 326 00:18:24,094 --> 00:18:26,799 In one pulse, the subject saw something. 327 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:28,935 On the other pulse, he saw something different. 328 00:18:28,935 --> 00:18:30,918 And he was able to verbally indicate 329 00:18:30,918 --> 00:18:33,958 what was the message the first subject was sending 330 00:18:33,958 --> 00:18:36,853 through the Internet across continents. 331 00:18:36,853 --> 00:18:39,372 Moderator: Wow. Okay, that's where we are going. 332 00:18:39,372 --> 00:18:41,689 That's the next TED Talk at the next conference. 333 00:18:41,689 --> 00:18:44,596 Miguel Nicolelis, thank you. MN: Thank you, Bruno. Thank you.