Why a good book is a secret door
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0:00 - 0:03Hi everybody. So my name is Mac.
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0:03 - 0:07My job is that I lie to children,
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0:07 - 0:09but they're honest lies.
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0:09 - 0:10I write children's books,
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0:10 - 0:14and there's a quote from Pablo Picasso,
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0:14 - 0:17"We all know that Art is not truth.
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0:17 - 0:20Art is a lie that makes us realize truth
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0:20 - 0:23or at least the truth that is
given us to understand. -
0:23 - 0:25The artist must know the manner whereby
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0:25 - 0:30to convince others of the
truthfulness of his lies." -
0:30 - 0:33I first heard this when I was a kid,
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0:33 - 0:35and I loved it,
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0:35 - 0:37but I had no idea what it meant.
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0:37 - 0:39(Laughter)
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0:39 - 0:41So I thought, you know what, it's what I'm here
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0:41 - 0:43to talk to you today about, though,
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0:43 - 0:45truth and lies, fiction and reality.
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0:45 - 0:47So how could I untangle
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0:47 - 0:49this knotted bunch of sentences?
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0:49 - 0:53And I said, I've got PowerPoint.
Let's do a Venn diagram. -
0:53 - 0:55["Truth. Lies."]
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0:55 - 0:57So there it is, right there, boom.
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0:57 - 0:58We've got truth and lies
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0:58 - 1:00and then there's this little space,
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1:00 - 1:01the edge, in the middle.
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1:01 - 1:08That liminal space, that's art.
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1:08 - 1:13All right. Venn diagram. (Laughter) (Applause)
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1:13 - 1:16But that's actually not very helpful either.
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1:16 - 1:20The thing that made me understand
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1:20 - 1:23that quote and really kind of what art,
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1:23 - 1:25at least the art of fiction, was,
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1:25 - 1:26was working with kids.
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1:26 - 1:29I used to be a summer camp counselor.
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1:29 - 1:31I would do it on my summers off from college,
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1:31 - 1:34and I loved it.
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1:34 - 1:36It was a sports summer camp
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1:36 - 1:38for four- to six-year-olds.
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1:38 - 1:40I was in charge of the four-year-olds,
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1:40 - 1:41which is good, because
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1:41 - 1:45four-year-olds can't play
sports, and neither can I. -
1:45 - 1:46(Laughter)
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1:46 - 1:49I play sports at a four-year-old level,
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1:49 - 1:53so what would happen is the kids would
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1:53 - 1:55dribble around some cones, and then got hot,
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1:55 - 1:57and then they would go sit underneath the tree
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1:57 - 2:00where I was already sitting — (Laughter) —
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2:00 - 2:02and I would just make up stories and tell them to them
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2:02 - 2:04and I would tell them stories about my life.
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2:04 - 2:06I would tell them about how, on the weekends,
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2:06 - 2:09I would go home and I would
spy for the Queen of England. -
2:09 - 2:12And soon, other kids
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2:12 - 2:14who weren't even in my group of kids,
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2:14 - 2:16they would come up to me, and they would say,
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2:16 - 2:18"You're Mac Barnett, right?
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2:18 - 2:21You're the guy who spies for the Queen of England."
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2:21 - 2:24And I had been waiting my whole life for strangers
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2:24 - 2:26to come up and ask me that question.
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2:26 - 2:29In my fantasy, they were svelte Russian women,
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2:29 - 2:30but, you know, four-year-olds —
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2:30 - 2:35you take what you can get in Berkeley, California.
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2:35 - 2:39And I realized that the stories that I was telling
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2:39 - 2:42were real in this way that was familiar to me
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2:42 - 2:44and really exciting.
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2:44 - 2:46I think the pinnacle of this for
me — I'll never forget this — -
2:46 - 2:49there was this little girl
named Riley. She was tiny, -
2:49 - 2:51and she used to always take
out her lunch every day -
2:51 - 2:53and she would throw out her fruit.
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2:53 - 2:55She would just take her fruit,
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2:55 - 2:56her mom packed her a melon every day,
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2:56 - 2:58and she would just throw it in the ivy
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2:58 - 3:00and then she would eat fruit snacks
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3:00 - 3:03and pudding cups, and I was like, "Riley,
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3:03 - 3:06you can't do that, you
have to eat the fruit." -
3:06 - 3:08And she was like, "Why?"
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3:08 - 3:09And I was like, "Well, when
you throw the fruit in the ivy, -
3:09 - 3:13pretty soon, it's going to be overgrown with melons,"
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3:13 - 3:15which is why I think I ended up
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3:15 - 3:21telling stories to children and not
being a nutritionist for children. -
3:21 - 3:23And so Riley was like, "That will never happen.
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3:23 - 3:24That's not going to happen."
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3:24 - 3:27And so, on the last day of camp,
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3:27 - 3:29I got up early and I got a big cantaloupe
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3:29 - 3:31from the grocery store
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3:31 - 3:33and I hid it in the ivy,
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3:33 - 3:35and then at lunchtime, I was like,
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3:35 - 3:38"Riley, why don't you go over
there and see what you've done." -
3:38 - 3:41And — (Laughter) —
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3:41 - 3:43she went trudging through
the ivy, and then her eyes -
3:43 - 3:46just got so wide, and she pointed out this melon
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3:46 - 3:48that was bigger than her head,
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3:48 - 3:51and then all the kids ran over
there and rushed around her, -
3:51 - 3:52and one of the kids was like, "Hey,
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3:52 - 3:54why is there a sticker on this?"
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3:54 - 3:57(Laughter)
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3:57 - 4:00And I was like, "That is also why I say
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4:00 - 4:03do not throw your stickers in the ivy.
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4:03 - 4:08Put them in the trash can. It
ruins nature when you do this." -
4:08 - 4:14And Riley carried that melon around with her all day,
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4:14 - 4:16and she was so proud.
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4:16 - 4:21And Riley knew she didn't
grow a melon in seven days, -
4:21 - 4:23but she also knew that she did,
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4:23 - 4:26and it's a weird place,
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4:26 - 4:28but it's not just a place that kids can get to.
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4:28 - 4:32It's anything. Art can get us to that place.
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4:32 - 4:34She was right in that place in the middle,
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4:34 - 4:37that place which you could call art or fiction.
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4:37 - 4:39I'm going to call it wonder.
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4:39 - 4:42It's what Coleridge called the
willing suspension of disbelief -
4:42 - 4:44or poetic faith,
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4:44 - 4:46for those moments where a
story, no matter how strange, -
4:46 - 4:48has some semblance of the truth,
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4:48 - 4:50and then you're able to believe it.
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4:50 - 4:52It's not just kids who can get there.
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4:52 - 4:54Adults can too, and we get there when we read.
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4:54 - 4:57It's why in two days, people will be
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4:57 - 5:00descending on Dublin to take the walking tour
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5:00 - 5:06of Bloomsday and see everything
that happened in "Ulysses," -
5:06 - 5:08even though none of that happened.
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5:08 - 5:10Or people go to London and they visit Baker Street
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5:10 - 5:12to see Sherlock Holmes' apartment,
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5:12 - 5:14even though 221B is just a number that was painted
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5:14 - 5:17on a building that never
actually had that address. -
5:17 - 5:19We know these characters aren't real,
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5:19 - 5:21but we have real feelings about them,
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5:21 - 5:22and we're able to do that.
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5:22 - 5:24We know these characters aren't real,
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5:24 - 5:28and yet we also know that they are.
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5:28 - 5:31Kids can get there a lot more easily than adults can,
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5:31 - 5:33and that's why I love writing for kids.
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5:33 - 5:35I think kids are the best audience
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5:35 - 5:39for serious literary fiction.
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5:39 - 5:42When I was a kid,
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5:42 - 5:45I was obsessed with secret door novels,
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5:45 - 5:46things like "Narnia,"
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5:46 - 5:50where you would open a wardrobe
and go through to a magical land. -
5:50 - 5:52And I was convinced that secret doors really did exist
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5:52 - 5:54and I would look for them and try to go through them.
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5:54 - 5:58I wanted to live and cross over into
that fictional world, which is — -
5:58 - 6:04I would always just open people's closet doors.
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6:04 - 6:07I would just go through my mom's boyfriend's closet,
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6:07 - 6:09and there was not a secret magical land there.
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6:09 - 6:11There was some other weird stuff that
I think my mom should know about. -
6:11 - 6:13(Laughter)
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6:13 - 6:17And I was happy to tell her all about it.
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6:20 - 6:24After college, my first job was working
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6:24 - 6:26behind one of these secret doors.
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6:26 - 6:28This is a place called 826 Valencia.
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6:28 - 6:30It's at 826 Valencia Street
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6:30 - 6:33in the Mission in San Francisco,
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6:33 - 6:35and when I worked there, there
was a publishing company -
6:35 - 6:37headquartered there called McSweeney's,
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6:37 - 6:41a nonprofit writing center called 826 Valencia,
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6:41 - 6:43but then the front of it
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6:43 - 6:44was a strange shop.
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6:44 - 6:46You see, this place was zoned retail,
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6:46 - 6:49and in San Francisco, they were
not going to give us a variance, -
6:49 - 6:52and so the writer who founded
it, a writer named Dave Eggers, -
6:52 - 6:54to come into compliance
with code, he said, "Fine, -
6:54 - 6:59I'm just going to build a pirate supply store."
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6:59 - 7:02And that's what he did. (Laughter)
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7:02 - 7:04And it's beautiful. It's all wood.
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7:04 - 7:05There's drawers you can pull out and get citrus
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7:05 - 7:08so you don't get scurvy.
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7:08 - 7:11They have eyepatches in lots of colors,
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7:11 - 7:13because when it's springtime, pirates want to go wild.
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7:13 - 7:18You don't know. Black is boring. Pastel.
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7:18 - 7:20Or eyes, also in lots of colors,
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7:20 - 7:21just glass eyes, depending on how you want
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7:21 - 7:25to deal with that situation.
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7:25 - 7:28And the store, strangely,
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7:28 - 7:32people came to them and bought things,
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7:32 - 7:34and they ended up paying the rent
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7:34 - 7:36for our tutoring center, which was behind it,
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7:36 - 7:39but to me, more important was the fact
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7:39 - 7:42that I think the quality of work you do,
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7:42 - 7:44kids would come and get instruction in writing,
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7:44 - 7:49and when you have to walk this weird, liminal,
fictional space like this to go do your writing, -
7:49 - 7:52it's going to affect the kind of work that you make.
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7:52 - 7:55It's a secret door that you can walk through.
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7:55 - 7:57So I ran the 826 in Los Angeles,
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7:57 - 8:01and it was my job to build the store down there.
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8:01 - 8:04So we have The Echo Park Time Travel Mart.
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8:04 - 8:07That's our motto: "Whenever
you are, we're already then." -
8:07 - 8:11(Laughter)
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8:11 - 8:16And it's on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles.
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8:16 - 8:18Our friendly staff is ready to help you.
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8:18 - 8:20They're from all eras,
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8:20 - 8:24including just the 1980s, that guy on the end,
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8:24 - 8:26he's from the very recent past.
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8:26 - 8:28There's our Employees of the Month,
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8:28 - 8:31including Genghis Khan, Charles Dickens.
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8:31 - 8:34Some great people have come up through our ranks.
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8:34 - 8:36This is our kind of pharmacy section.
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8:36 - 8:37We have some patent medicines,
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8:37 - 8:40Canopic jars for your organs,
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8:40 - 8:41communist soap that says,
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8:41 - 8:46"This is your soap for the year."
(Laughter) -
8:46 - 8:48Our slushy machine broke
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8:48 - 8:51on the opening night and
we didn't know what to do. -
8:51 - 8:53Our architect was covered in red syrup.
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8:53 - 8:55It looked like he had just murdered somebody,
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8:55 - 8:57which it was not out of the question
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8:57 - 8:59for this particular architect,
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8:59 - 9:01and we didn't know what to do.
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9:01 - 9:02It was going to be the highlight of our store.
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9:02 - 9:03So we just put that sign on it that said,
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9:03 - 9:07"Out of order. Come back yesterday."
(Laughter) -
9:07 - 9:10And that ended up being a better joke than slushies,
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9:10 - 9:14so we just left it there forever.
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9:14 - 9:18Mammoth Chunks. These things
weigh, like, seven pounds each. -
9:18 - 9:20Barbarian repellent. It's full of salad
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9:20 - 9:25and potpourri — things that barbarians hate.
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9:25 - 9:27Dead languages.
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9:27 - 9:29(Laughter)
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9:29 - 9:32Leeches, nature's tiny doctors.
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9:32 - 9:36And Viking Odorant, which
comes in lots of great scents: -
9:36 - 9:40toenails, sweat and rotten vegetables, pyre ash.
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9:40 - 9:42Because we believe that Axe Body Spray
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9:42 - 9:43is something that you should
only find on the battlefield, -
9:43 - 9:48not under your arms.
(Laughter) -
9:48 - 9:50And these are robot emotion chips,
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9:50 - 9:52so robots can feel love or fear.
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9:52 - 9:53Our biggest seller is Schadenfreude,
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9:53 - 9:55which we did not expect.
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9:55 - 9:56(Laughter)
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9:56 - 9:58We did not think that was going to happen.
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9:58 - 10:01But there's a nonprofit behind it,
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10:01 - 10:02and kids go through a door
that says "Employees Only" -
10:02 - 10:04and they end up in this space
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10:04 - 10:06where they do homework and write stories
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10:06 - 10:08and make films and this is a book release party
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10:08 - 10:10where kids will read.
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10:10 - 10:12There's a quarterly that's published
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10:12 - 10:13with just writing that's done by the kids
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10:13 - 10:14who come every day after school,
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10:14 - 10:16and we have release parties
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10:16 - 10:19and they eat cake and read for their parents
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10:19 - 10:22and drink milk out of champagne glasses.
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10:22 - 10:25And it's a very special space,
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10:25 - 10:28because it's this weird space in the front.
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10:28 - 10:31The joke isn't a joke.
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10:31 - 10:34You can't find the seams on the fiction,
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10:34 - 10:37and I love that. It's this little bit of fiction
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10:37 - 10:40that's colonized the real world.
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10:40 - 10:44I see it as kind of a book in three dimensions.
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10:44 - 10:46There's a term called metafiction,
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10:46 - 10:50and that's just stories about stories,
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10:50 - 10:52and meta's having a moment now.
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10:52 - 10:54Its last big moment was probably in the 1960s
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10:54 - 10:57with novelists like John Barth and William Gaddis,
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10:57 - 10:58but it's been around.
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10:58 - 11:01It's almost as old as storytelling itself.
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11:01 - 11:04And one metafictive technique
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11:04 - 11:06is breaking the fourth wall. Right?
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11:06 - 11:09It's when an actor will turn to the audience
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11:09 - 11:10and say, "I am an actor,
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11:10 - 11:13these are just rafters."
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11:13 - 11:15And even that supposedly honest moment,
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11:15 - 11:17I would argue, is in service of the lie,
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11:17 - 11:20but it's supposed to foreground the artificiality
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11:20 - 11:21of the fiction.
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11:21 - 11:23For me, I kind of prefer the opposite.
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11:23 - 11:26If I'm going to break down the fourth wall,
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11:26 - 11:28I want fiction to escape
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11:28 - 11:30and come into the real world.
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11:30 - 11:35I want a book to be a secret door that opens
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11:35 - 11:37and lets the stories out into reality.
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11:37 - 11:40And so I try to do this in my books.
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11:40 - 11:42And here's just one example.
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11:42 - 11:44This is the first book that I ever made.
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11:44 - 11:47It's called "Billy Twitters
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11:47 - 11:49And it's about a kid who gets a blue whale as a pet
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11:49 - 11:50but it's a punishment
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11:50 - 11:53and it ruins his life.
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11:53 - 11:56So it's delivered overnight by FedUp.
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11:56 - 11:58(Laughter)
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11:58 - 12:00And he has to take it to school with him.
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12:00 - 12:01He lives in San Francisco —
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12:01 - 12:04very tough city to own a blue whale in.
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12:04 - 12:08A lot of hills, real estate is at a premium.
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12:08 - 12:11This market's crazy, everybody.
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12:11 - 12:15But underneath the jacket is this case,
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12:15 - 12:19and that's the cover underneath the book, the jacket,
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12:19 - 12:20and there's an ad
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12:20 - 12:24that offers a free 30-day risk-free trial
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12:24 - 12:25for a blue whale.
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12:25 - 12:28And you can just send in a
self-addressed stamped envelope -
12:28 - 12:32and we'll send you a whale.
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12:32 - 12:37And kids do write in.
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12:37 - 12:40So here's a letter. It says, "Dear people,
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12:40 - 12:43I bet you 10 bucks you won't send me a blue whale.
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12:43 - 12:46Eliot Gannon (age 6)."
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12:46 - 12:49(Laughter) (Applause)
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12:51 - 12:53So what Eliot and the other kids
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12:53 - 12:55who send these in get back
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12:55 - 12:58is a letter in very small print
from a Norwegian law firm — -
12:58 - 13:02(Laughter) —
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13:02 - 13:06that says that due to a change in customs laws,
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13:06 - 13:08their whale has been held up in Sognefjord,
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13:08 - 13:09which is a very lovely fjord,
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13:09 - 13:11and then it just kind of talks about Sognefjord
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13:11 - 13:13and Norwegian food for
a little while. It digresses. -
13:13 - 13:15(Laughter)
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13:17 - 13:19But it finishes off by saying that
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13:19 - 13:21your whale would love to hear from you.
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13:21 - 13:23He's got a phone number,
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13:23 - 13:28and you can call and leave him a message.
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13:28 - 13:30And when you call and leave him a message,
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13:30 - 13:32you just, on the outgoing message,
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13:32 - 13:37it's just whale sounds and then a beep,
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13:37 - 13:41which actually sounds a lot like a whale sound.
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13:41 - 13:43And they get a picture of their whale too.
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13:43 - 13:45So this is Randolph,
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13:45 - 13:49and Randolph belongs to a kid named Nico
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13:49 - 13:53who was one of the first kids to ever call in,
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13:53 - 13:55and I'll play you some of Nico's message.
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13:55 - 14:00This is the first message I ever got from Nico.
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14:00 - 14:02(Audio) Nico: Hello, this is Nico.
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14:02 - 14:06I am your owner, Randolph. Hello.
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14:06 - 14:09So this is the first time I can ever talk to you,
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14:09 - 14:16and I might talk to you soon another day. Bye.
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14:16 - 14:18Mac Barnett: So Nico called back, like, an hour later.
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14:18 - 14:20(Laughter)
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14:20 - 14:24And here's another one of Nico's messages.
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14:24 - 14:28(Audio) Nico: Hello, Randolph, this is Nico.
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14:28 - 14:33I haven't talked to you for a long time,
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14:33 - 14:38but I talked to you on Saturday or Sunday,
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14:38 - 14:40yeah, Saturday or Sunday,
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14:40 - 14:43so now I'm calling you again
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14:43 - 14:48to say hello and I wonder what you're doing right now,
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14:48 - 14:51and I'm going to probably call you again
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14:51 - 14:53tomorrow or today,
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14:53 - 14:57so I'll talk to you later. Bye.
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14:57 - 15:01MB: So he did, he called back that day again.
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15:01 - 15:05He's left over 25 messages for Randolph
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15:05 - 15:08over four years.
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15:08 - 15:10You find out all about him
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15:10 - 15:12and the grandma that he loves
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15:12 - 15:14and the grandma that
he likes a little bit less — -
15:14 - 15:16(Laughter) —
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15:16 - 15:19and the crossword puzzles that he does,
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15:19 - 15:23and this is — I'll play you one
more message from Nico. -
15:23 - 15:26This is the Christmas message from Nico.
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15:26 - 15:28[Beep] (Audio) Nico: Hello, Randolph,
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15:28 - 15:32sorry I haven't talked to you in a long time.
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15:32 - 15:34It's just that I've been so busy
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15:34 - 15:37because school started,
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15:37 - 15:40as you might not know, probably,
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15:40 - 15:44since you're a whale, you don't know,
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15:44 - 15:48and I'm calling you to just say,
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15:48 - 15:52to wish you a merry Christmas.
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15:52 - 15:57So have a nice Christmas,
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15:57 - 16:04and bye-bye, Randolph. Goodbye.
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16:04 - 16:05MB: I actually got Nico,
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16:05 - 16:08I hadn't heard from in 18 months,
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16:08 - 16:12and he just left a message two days ago.
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16:12 - 16:15His voice is completely different,
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16:15 - 16:18but he put his babysitter on the phone,
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16:18 - 16:22and she was very nice to Randolph as well.
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16:22 - 16:27But Nico's the best reader I could hope for.
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16:27 - 16:30I would want anyone I was writing for
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16:30 - 16:32to be in that place emotionally
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16:32 - 16:35with the things that I create.
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16:35 - 16:38I feel lucky. Kids like Nico are the best readers,
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16:38 - 16:42and they deserve the best stories we can give them.
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16:42 - 16:44Thank you very much.
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16:44 - 16:47(Applause)
- Title:
- Why a good book is a secret door
- Speaker:
- Mac Barnett
- Description:
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Childhood is surreal. Why shouldn't children's books be? In this whimsical talk, award-winning author Mac Barnett speaks about writing that escapes the page, art as a doorway to wonder — and what real kids say to a fictional whale.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 16:59
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