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How synchronized hammer strikes could generate nuclear fusion

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    Wow, this is bright.
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    It must use a lot of power.
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    Well, flying you all in here
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    must have cost a bit of energy too.
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    So the whole planet needs a lot of energy,
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    and so far we've been running mostly on fossil fuels.
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    We've been burning gas.
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    It's been a good run.
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    It got us to where we are, but we have to stop.
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    We can't do that anymore.
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    So we are trying different types of energy now,
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    alternative energy,
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    but it proved quite difficult to find something
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    that's as convenient and as cost-effective
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    as oil, gas, and coal.
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    My personal favorite is nuclear energy.
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    Now, it's very energy-dense,
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    it produces solid, reliable power,
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    and it doesn't make any CO2.
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    Now we know of two ways
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    of making nuclear energy: fission and fusion.
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    Now in fission, you take a big nucleus,
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    you break it in part, in two,
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    and it makes lots of energy,
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    and this is how the nuclear reactor today works.
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    It works pretty good.
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    And then there's fusion.
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    Now, I like fusion. Fusion's much better.
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    So you take two small nuclei,
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    you put it together, and you make helium,
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    and that's very nice.
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    It makes lots of energy.
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    This is nature's way of producing energy.
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    The sun and all the stars in the universe
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    run on fusion.
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    Now, a fusion plant
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    would actually be quite cost-effective
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    and it also would be quite safe.
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    It only produces short term radioactive waste,
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    and it cannot melt down.
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    Now, the fuel from fusion comes from the ocean.
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    In the ocean, you can extract the fuel
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    for about one thousandth of a cent
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    per kilowatt-hour, so that's very, very cheap.
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    And if the whole planet would run on fusion,
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    we could extract the fuel from the ocean.
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    It would run for billions and billions of years.
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    Now, if fusion is so great, why don't we have it?
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    Where is it?
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    Well, there's always a bit of a catch.
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    Fusion is really, really hard to do.
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    So the problem is, those two nuclei,
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    they are both positively charged,
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    so they don't want to fuse.
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    They go like this. They go like that.
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    So in order to make them fuse,
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    you have to throw them at
    each other with great speed,
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    and if they have enough speed,
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    they will go against their impulsion,
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    they will touch, and they will make energy.
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    Now, the particle speed
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    is a measure of the temperature.
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    So the temperature required for fusion
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    is 150 billion degrees C.
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    This is rather warm,
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    and this is why fusion is so hard to do.
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    Now, I caught my little fusion bug
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    when I did my Ph.D here at the
    University of British Columbia,
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    and then I got a big job in a laser printer place
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    making printing for the printing industry.
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    I worked there for 10 years,
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    and I got a little bit bored,
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    and then I was 40, and I got a mid-life crisis,
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    you know, the usual thing:
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    who am I? What should I do?
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    What should I do? What can I do?
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    And then I was looking at my good work,
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    and what I was doing is I was cutting the forests
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    around here in B.C.
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    and burying you, all of you,
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    in millions of tons of junk mail.
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    Now, that was not very satisfactory.
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    So some people buy a Porsche.
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    Others get a mistress.
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    But I've decided to get my bit
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    to solve global warming and make fusion happen.
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    Now, so the first thing I did
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    is I looked into the literature and I see,
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    how does fusion work.
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    So the physicists have been
    working on fusion for a while,
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    and one of the ways they do it
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    is with something called a tokamak.
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    It's a big ring of magnetic coil,
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    super-connected coil,
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    and it makes a magnetic field
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    in a ring like this,
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    and the hot gas in the middle,
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    which is called a plasma, is trapped.
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    The particles go round and round and round
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    the circle at the wall.
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    Then they throw a huge amount of heat in there
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    to try to cook that to fusion temperature.
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    So this is the inside of one of those donuts,
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    and on the right side you can see
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    the fusion plasma in there.
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    Now a second way of doing this
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    is by using laser fusion.
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    Now in laser fusion, you have a little ping pong ball,
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    you put the fusion fuel in the center,
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    and you zap that with a whole
    bunch of laser around it.
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    The lasers are very strong, and it squashes
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    the ball really, really quick.
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    And if you squeeze something hard enough,
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    it gets hotter,
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    and if it gets really really fast,
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    and they do that in one billionth of a second,
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    it makes enough energy and enough heat
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    to make fusion.
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    So this is the inside of one such machine.
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    You see the laser beam and the pellet
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    in the center.
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    Now, most people think that fusion is going nowhere.
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    They always think that the physicists are in their lab
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    and they're working hard, but nothing is happening.
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    That's actually not quite true.
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    This is a curve of the gain in fusion
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    over the last 30 years or so,
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    and you can see that we're making now
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    about 10,000 times more fusion than we used to
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    when we started.
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    That's a pretty good gain.
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    As a matter of fact, it's as fast
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    as the fabled Moore's Law
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    that defined the amount of transistors
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    they can put on a chip.
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    Now this dot here is called JET,
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    the Joint European Torus.
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    It's a big tokamak donut in Europe,
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    and this machine in 1997
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    produced 16 megawatts of fusion power
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    with 17 megawatts of heat.
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    Now, you say, that's not much useful,
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    but it's actually pretty close,
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    considering we can get
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    about 10,000 times more than we started.
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    The second dot here is the NIF.
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    It's the National Ignition Facility.
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    It's a big laser machine in the U.S.,
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    and last month they announced
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    with quite a bit of noise
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    that they had managed to make more fusion energy
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    from the fusion
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    than the energy they put in the
    center of the ping pong ball.
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    Now, that's not quite good enough,
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    because the laser to put that energy in
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    was more energy than that,
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    but it was pretty good.
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    Now this is ITER,
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    pronounced in French, EE-tairh.
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    So this is a big collaboration of different countries
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    that are building a huge magnetic donut
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    in the south of France,
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    and this machine, when it's finished,
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    will produce 500 megawatts of fusion power
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    with only 50 megawatts to make it.
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    So this one is the real one.
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    It's going to work.
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    That's the kind of machine that makes energy.
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    Now if you look at the graph, you will notice
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    that those two dots are a little bit
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    on the right of the curve.
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    We kind of have fallen off the progress.
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    Actually, the science to make those machines
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    was really in time
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    to produce fusion during that curve.
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    However, there has been a bit of politics going on,
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    and the will to do it was not there,
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    so it drifted to the right.
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    ITER, for example, could have been built
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    in 2000 or 2005,
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    but because it's a big international collaboration,
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    the politics got in and it delayed it a bit.
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    For example, it took them about three years
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    to decide where to put it.
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    Now, fusion is often criticized
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    for being a little too expensive.
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    Yes, it did cost, you know,
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    a billion dollars or two billion dollars a year
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    to make this progress.
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    But you have to compare that to the cost
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    of making the Moore's Law.
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    That cost way more than that.
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    The result of the Moore's Law
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    is this cell phone here in my pocket.
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    This cell phone, and the internet behind it,
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    cost about one trillion dollars,
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    just so I can take a selfie
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    and put it on Facebook.
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    Then when my dad sees that,
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    he'll be very proud.
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    We also spend about 650 billion dollars a year
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    in subsidies for oil and gas
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    and renewable energy.
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    Now, we spend one half a percent of that on fusion.
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    So me, personally, I don't think it's too expensive.
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    I think it's actually been shortchanged,
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    considering it can solve all our energy problems
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    cleanly for the next couple of billions of years.
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    Now I can say that, but I'm a little bit biased,
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    because I started a fusion company
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    and I don't even have a Facebook account.
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    So when I started this fusion company in 2002,
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    I knew I couldn't fight with the big lads.
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    They had much more resources than me.
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    So I decided I would need to find a solution
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    that is cheaper and faster.
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    Now magnetic and laser fusion
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    are pretty good machines.
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    They are awesome pieces of technology,
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    wonderful machines, and they have shown
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    that fusion can be done.
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    However, as a power plant,
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    I don't think they're very good.
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    They're way too big, way too complicated,
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    way too expensive,
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    and also, they don't deal very much
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    with the fusion energy.
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    When you make fusion, the energy comes out
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    as neutrons, fast neutrons comes out of the plasma.
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    Those neutrons hit the wall of the machine.
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    It damages it.
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    And also, you have to catch
    the heat from those neutrons
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    and run some steam to spin a turbine somewhere,
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    and on those machines,
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    it was all a bit of an afterthought.
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    So I decided that surely there
    is a better way of doing that.
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    So back to the literature,
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    and I read about the fusion everywhere.
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    One way in particular attracts my attention,
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    and it's called magnetized target fusion,
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    or MTF for short.
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    Now, in MTF, what you want to do
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    is you take a big vat
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    and you fill that with liquid metal,
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    and you spin the liquid metal
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    to open of vortex in the center,
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    you know, a bit like your sink.
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    When you pull the plug on a sink, it makes a vortex.
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    And then you have some pistons
    driven by the pressure
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    that goes on the outside,
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    and this compresses the liquid metal
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    around the plasma, and it compresses it,
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    it gets hotter, like laser,
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    and then it makes fusion.
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    So it's a bit of a mix
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    between a magnetized fusion
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    and the laser fusion.
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    So those have a couple of very good advantages.
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    The liquid metal absorbs all the neutrons
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    and no neutrons hit the wall,
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    and therefore there's no damage to the machine.
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    The liquid metal gets hot,
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    so you can pump that in a heat exchanger,
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    make some steam, spin a turbine.
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    So that's a very convenient way of doing
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    this part of the process.
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    And finally, all the energy to make the fusion happen
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    comes from steam-powered pistons,
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    which is way cheaper than laser
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    or superconducting coil.
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    Now this was all very good
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    except for the problem that it didn't quite work.
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    (Laughter)
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    There's always a catch.
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    So when you compress that,
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    the plasma cools down
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    faster than the compression speed,
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    so you're trying to compress it,
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    but the plasma cools down and
    cools down and cools down
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    and then it did absolutely nothing.
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    So when I saw that, I said,
    well, this is such a shame,
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    because it's a very, very good idea.
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    So hopefully I can improve on that.
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    So I thought about it for a minute,
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    and I said, okay, how can we make that work better?
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    So then I thought about impact.
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    What about if we use a big hammer
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    and we swing it and we hit the nail like this,
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    Ii the place of putting the hammer on the nail
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    and pushing and try to put it in? That won't work.
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    So what the idea is
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    is to use the idea of an impact.
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    So we accelerate the pistons with steam,
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    that takes a little bit of time,
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    but then, bang! you hit the piston,
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    and baff, all the energy is done instantly,
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    down instantly to the liquid,
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    and that compresses the plasma much faster.
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    So I decided, okay, this is good, let's make that.
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    So we build this machine in this garage here.
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    We make a small machine
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    that we managed to squeeze
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    a little bit of neutrons out of that,
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    and those are my marketing neutrons,
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    and with those marketing neutrons,
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    then I raise about 50 million dollars,
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    and I hire 65 people. That's my team here.
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    And this is what we want to build.
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    So it's going to be a big machine,
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    about three meters in diameter,
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    liquid lead spinning around,
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    bit vortex in the center,
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    put the plasma on the top and on the bottom,
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    piston hit on the side,
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    bang! it compresses it,
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    and it will make some energy,
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    and the neutron will come out in the liquid metal,
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    going to go in a steam engine and make the turbine,
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    and some of the steam will go back
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    to fire the piston.
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    We're going to run that about one time per second,
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    and if we will produce 100 megawatts of electricity.
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    Okay, we also built this injector,
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    so this injector makes the plasma to start with.
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    It makes the plasma at about
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    a lukewarm temperature of three million degrees C.
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    Unfortunately, it doesn't last quite long enough,
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    so we need to extend the life
    of the plasma a little bit,
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    but last month it got a lot better,
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    so I think we have the plasma compressing now.
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    Then we build a small sphere, about this big,
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    14 pistons around it,
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    and this will compress the liquid.
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    However, plasma is difficult to compress.
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    When you compress it,
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    it tends to go a little bit crooked like that,
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    so you need the timing of the piston
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    to be very good,
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    and for that we use several control systems
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    which was not possible in 1970,
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    but we now can do that
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    with nice, new electronics.
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    So finally, most people think that fusion
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    is in the future and will never happen,
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    but as a matter of fact, fusion is getting very close.
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    We are almost there.
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    The big labs have shown that fusion is doable,
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    and now there are small companies
    that are thinking about that,
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    and they say, it's not that it cannot be done,
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    but it's how to make it cost-effectively.
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    General Fusion is one of those small companies,
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    and hopefully, very soon, somebody, someone,
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    will crack that nut,
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    and perhaps it will be General Fusion.
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    Thank you very much.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How synchronized hammer strikes could generate nuclear fusion
Speaker:
Michel Laberge
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