New machines for fusion research | Thomas Klinger | TEDxBrussels
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0:17 - 0:23What is behind me
is the powerhouse of the Universe. -
0:23 - 0:25It is just a conventional star.
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0:25 - 0:26It is our Sun.
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0:26 - 0:30And this power station
has been running for billions of years, -
0:30 - 0:35reliably delivering energy to us
and to the rest of the Universe -
0:35 - 0:36just by light emission.
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0:36 - 0:40So, that's a very nice thing,
and it obviously runs, -
0:40 - 0:42and the mechanism
through which it runs is fusion, -
0:42 - 0:45and I'm going to explain to you
something about that. -
0:45 - 0:47But I will also ask the question:
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0:47 - 0:50can we bring this mechanism
on Earth directly? -
0:50 - 0:52And the answer is no, by no means.
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0:52 - 0:56The Sun is too big, the Sun is too hot,
the Sun is too dense, -
0:56 - 0:59everything speaks against that;
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0:59 - 1:03but... and the story about the but:
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1:03 - 1:06we have to build machines,
clever machines; -
1:06 - 1:07we, humans have to build machines
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1:07 - 1:11in order to mimic this process,
in order to bring it on Earth. -
1:11 - 1:14So, for that, we have to understand
a few little things of physics. -
1:14 - 1:16Don't be afraid.
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1:16 - 1:19You have to carefully distinguish
between fission and fusion. -
1:20 - 1:26Fission is splitting heavy nuclei;
fusion is fusing light nuclei. -
1:26 - 1:28And they both belong to the same process:
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1:28 - 1:31it's a conversion of mass into energy,
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1:31 - 1:34and that's Einstein's
famous formula E=mc², -
1:34 - 1:36and that's the common mechanism.
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1:36 - 1:42And this energy is released just by speed,
by kinetic energy, by heat in other words. -
1:42 - 1:44So it generates heat.
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1:44 - 1:47And that's what we would like
to make use of. -
1:47 - 1:49And for that, we have to use a trick.
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1:49 - 1:54Instead of using conventional hydrogen,
we use versions of hydrogen. -
1:54 - 2:00And these two so-called isotopes
are called deuterium and tritium. -
2:01 - 2:07Deuterium is just heavy hydrogen,
tritium is super heavy hydrogen. -
2:07 - 2:09They both are actually hydrogen isotopes,
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2:09 - 2:12they behave like hydrogen,
just the mass is different. -
2:12 - 2:15And you can much more easily fuse them
than conventional hydrogen, -
2:15 - 2:19than the hydrogen we know
from the everyday world. -
2:19 - 2:22And when we fuse them, they collide,
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2:22 - 2:29and in the collision, they generate
a helium nucleus, an alpha particle, -
2:29 - 2:31and a neutron, and lots of energy.
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2:32 - 2:36And that's the process we would like
to make use of; we, fusion scientists. -
2:36 - 2:40And in order to get a feeling
what is this fuel about: -
2:40 - 2:44fusing one gram of deuterium-tritium
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2:44 - 2:49releases the same energy
as burning 10 million grams of coal. -
2:49 - 2:52And so, that's a fantastic fuel.
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2:52 - 2:56And so, you can say: is it available
on Earth, or is it just a dream? -
2:56 - 2:58And the answer is yes,
it is basically available. -
2:58 - 3:01So, deuterium is found just in seawater,
in a low concentration, -
3:01 - 3:03but we do not need much.
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3:03 - 3:06Tritium is available on Earth
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3:06 - 3:10by making use of a mechanism
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3:10 - 3:13that generates tritium from lithium.
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3:14 - 3:16And so, if you now
put everything together, -
3:16 - 3:22you can say that a half-filled
bath tub of water and an accumulator - -
3:22 - 3:27here, there's a lithium-ion
accumulator in this mobile phone - -
3:27 - 3:29would release enough energy
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3:29 - 3:33to supply an average European
for 25 years with electric energy. -
3:33 - 3:35That's of course, a big, big promise.
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3:35 - 3:36How to make it happen?
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3:36 - 3:40And this big promise has driven
mankind for 50 years already -
3:40 - 3:42to explore how it can work.
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3:42 - 3:46And this diagram here shows
the early days of fusion research. -
3:46 - 3:49It's from the 1950s,
so that's from Los Alamos [Lab] -
3:49 - 3:51and they built a device, a machine.
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3:51 - 3:54And there is this ring in the background -
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3:54 - 3:58at the center of the photo,
there's a ring with a purple glow - -
3:58 - 4:01and this ring, together with
what's surrounded by -
4:01 - 4:02was called the Perhapsatron -
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4:02 - 4:07and that's because the scientists
didn't know if it would work at all. -
4:07 - 4:09It worked somehow, but not sufficiently,
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4:09 - 4:15because the very basic problem of fusion
is fusion is very easy to do. -
4:15 - 4:18The fundamental nuclear process
is known, and it's easy to do. -
4:18 - 4:22The exercise is to make a lot
of fusion processes at the same time. -
4:22 - 4:24Again, so we need a lot of fusion
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4:24 - 4:27in order to generate
substantial amounts of energy. -
4:27 - 4:29And so, it became obvious
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4:29 - 4:34that one has to work on different things
in order to build the right machine. -
4:34 - 4:37The Perhapsatron not being
the right machine was discarded. -
4:37 - 4:40Many, many others followed,
other generations followed, -
4:40 - 4:43and I would like to give you
an update on the current status. -
4:43 - 4:45So, the magnetic field is very important:
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4:45 - 4:47you have to make use of the magnetic field
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4:47 - 4:51in order to confine this super hot gas
which we call plasma. -
4:51 - 4:54And you might have seen a plasma
already in reality -
4:54 - 4:57if you have seen the Northern Lights
or an Aurora Borealis. -
4:57 - 5:01That's a photo through
the window of an airplane -
5:01 - 5:03of the Aurora Borealis
over the Northern Pole. -
5:04 - 5:05The structure of the Aurora Borealis -
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5:05 - 5:09this stripe-like structure is given
by the magnetic field of the Earth. -
5:09 - 5:11So this is naturally occurring.
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5:11 - 5:15And the plasma is actually the ingredient
that's the boiling soup -
5:15 - 5:18that makes fusion happen
so many times as it should be -
5:18 - 5:20in order to really gain energy.
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5:20 - 5:24That's in the kind of standard machine.
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5:24 - 5:26We are building a fusion science:
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5:26 - 5:29it is called tokamak -
tokamak not tomahawk; -
5:29 - 5:31that's a big difference!
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5:32 - 5:34The tokamak consists
of superconducting coils -
5:34 - 5:37in which a very strong current is running.
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5:37 - 5:41It is also based on a strong current
running in the actual plasma, -
5:41 - 5:43and the plasma is ring-shaped.
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5:43 - 5:46So this purple ring there,
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5:46 - 5:49or this magenta ring shown there,
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5:49 - 5:52is the actual plasma
that is attached to the magnetic field. -
5:53 - 5:55That's the basic principle of a tokamak,
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5:55 - 5:56and nowadays,
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5:56 - 5:59we are brave enough
in fusion research to build big machines, -
5:59 - 6:03because they must be big in order to have
a lot of fusion reactions. -
6:03 - 6:06The biggest tokamak in the world,
now under construction, -
6:06 - 6:08is the tokamak ITER
in the South of France. -
6:08 - 6:10And it's a world tokamak in a sense.
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6:10 - 6:13It's not only a big tokamak,
the biggest tokamak in the world, -
6:13 - 6:14but it's also a world project,
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6:14 - 6:18because in the ITER project,
half of mankind is involved: -
6:18 - 6:24China, the USA, Russia, the EU,
India, Japan, and South Korea. -
6:24 - 6:27They're all joining forces
in order to build -
6:27 - 6:31this really big superconducting
tokamak in the South of France. -
6:31 - 6:37And this machine is going
to start operating in 2025. -
6:37 - 6:39This is a big, big project.
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6:40 - 6:43There's another concept
which is called a stellarator. -
6:43 - 6:46Stellarator means bringing
the [power of] a star on Earth. -
6:46 - 6:49And here, in blue again,
the magnets are shown -
6:49 - 6:51that generate a magnetic field.
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6:51 - 6:53And in yellow,
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6:53 - 6:58that's the shape of the plasma
given by the magnetic field geometry. -
6:59 - 7:00Stellarators need optimization.
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7:00 - 7:02What does optimization mean?
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7:02 - 7:05Optimization means
setting up a number of criteria: -
7:05 - 7:08good plasma stability,
improved heat insulation, -
7:08 - 7:11equilibrium, confinement,
things like that. -
7:11 - 7:14And you cast everything,
all these requirements, -
7:14 - 7:16in a set of computer codes -
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7:16 - 7:20very massive computer codes
with a lot of plasma theory in it - -
7:20 - 7:21and then you have to do
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7:21 - 7:24all these horribly complicated
calculations using supercomputers. -
7:24 - 7:26And the supercomputer
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7:26 - 7:29that has calculated the Wendelstein 7-X -
that's our stellarator - -
7:29 - 7:31was the Cray X-MP.
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7:31 - 7:36This device has more computer power
than the Cray X-MP - -
7:36 - 7:41this goes back to the mid 80s,
and supercomputers look different now - -
7:41 - 7:43but nevertheless,
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7:43 - 7:47the computing power was sufficient
to determine the shape of the coils. -
7:47 - 7:50These calculations were repeated
and confirmed many times, -
7:51 - 7:52and so we are pretty confident
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7:52 - 7:54that we have found
the right magnetic field. -
7:55 - 7:59The Wendelstein 7-X stellarator
consists now of the following elements: -
8:00 - 8:02the plasma - so that's
the shape of the plasma, -
8:02 - 8:06it looks a little bit like
a twisted tire of a bicycle - -
8:08 - 8:12the magnetic field coils,
these calculated magnetic field coils; -
8:12 - 8:15another set of coils
to change the magnetic field a little bit; -
8:15 - 8:18a massive steel structure
that carries these coils - -
8:18 - 8:22each coil weighs six tonnes
and has a diameter of three meters - -
8:23 - 8:25and of course,
also many pipes and connectors -
8:25 - 8:28to connect the magnet system together;
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8:28 - 8:30and also an outer vessel -
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8:30 - 8:32it's a massive steel vessel
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8:32 - 8:34because the coils
have to be operated in vacuum -
8:34 - 8:35since, for superconductivity,
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8:35 - 8:40you have to cool down the coils
to minus 270 degrees centigrade. -
8:41 - 8:44That's then the outer shape
of the machine. -
8:45 - 8:47It looks a little bit like a spaceship,
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8:47 - 8:48So the "Science" magazine wrote
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8:48 - 8:51it looks like
Han Solo’s Millennium Falcon, -
8:51 - 8:55and they also wrote
this machine was designed in hell. -
8:55 - 8:56It's all not true;
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8:56 - 9:00it's just a kind of engineering exercise,
and that's the machine in reality. -
9:01 - 9:03And you also have
the comparison to a person. -
9:03 - 9:05It is a complicated machine.
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9:05 - 9:08Four hundred technicians,
engineers, and scientists -
9:08 - 9:11have worked 20 years to build the machine
in Greifswald, Northern Germany. -
9:12 - 9:14Twenty years, one million assembly hours.
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9:14 - 9:16And the machine is running.
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9:16 - 9:17We were pushing the button,
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9:17 - 9:20and the physicists in the center
did the job for us. -
9:20 - 9:22In the inset, you also see the plasma.
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9:22 - 9:25The plasma is glowing nicely
bluish and reddish. -
9:25 - 9:28These are different stages
of the plasma development. -
9:29 - 9:31The machine runs perfectly fine.
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9:31 - 9:34That's very satisfying
after 20 years of construction, -
9:34 - 9:37and we are putting a lot of hope
on the performance of this machine. -
9:37 - 9:39And here's the performance:
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9:39 - 9:430.01 grams of hydrogen
were injected into the vessel, -
9:43 - 9:46heated up with 4 million watts
of microwave power -
9:46 - 9:49to 100 million degrees centigrade
for the electrons -
9:49 - 9:52and 20 million degrees centigrade
for the hydrogen. -
9:52 - 9:55That wasn't that bad
for the first step of the machine. -
9:55 - 9:58We have to increase
the particle density by a factor of 5, -
9:58 - 10:00which sounds easy,
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10:00 - 10:02but it needs more heating power.
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10:02 - 10:05We are currently upgrading the machine
to increase the heating power -
10:05 - 10:08to ten million watts, to ten megawatts,
for ten-second pulses, -
10:08 - 10:11and later on, also for longer ones.
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10:11 - 10:12I would like to conclude.
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10:12 - 10:15I would like to make
a case here for fusion. -
10:15 - 10:16Fusion is clean;
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10:16 - 10:20it has no CO₂ emission -
keyword 'climate change'; -
10:21 - 10:23no long term waste -
different from fission; -
10:24 - 10:27it is abundant - enough fusion fuel
for millions of years; -
10:27 - 10:29and it's accessible to everybody -
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10:29 - 10:32so nobody owns the fusion fuel,
which is very important, of course; -
10:32 - 10:35it's safe - there are
no catastrophic failures possible; -
10:35 - 10:37and it's economic -
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10:37 - 10:41the machines are expensive,
but the fuel cost is essentially zero. -
10:41 - 10:44Two key machines in the world are:
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10:44 - 10:45Wendelstein 7-X -
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10:45 - 10:48here the mission is to help create
a hydrogen plasma for 30 minutes, -
10:48 - 10:52and this has never been done before,
the standard is a few seconds up to now; -
10:52 - 10:54and the ITER mission
is to create a fusion plasma -
10:54 - 10:58which generates ten times more energy
than needed to create plasma. -
10:58 - 11:00I think that will be a major breakthrough,
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11:00 - 11:04and then, we have
a new primary energy source, -
11:04 - 11:05and I should say
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11:05 - 11:10this is the only new primary energy source
mankind is working on. -
11:10 - 11:12Thank you for your attention.
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11:12 - 11:13(Applause)
- Title:
- New machines for fusion research | Thomas Klinger | TEDxBrussels
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
Plasma physicist Thomas Klinger is dealing with the fundamental principles of a future power plant, which – like the Sun – will produce energy from the fusion of light atomic nuclei. Embedded in an international endeavor, this requires the design and construction of large research facilities such as ITER and Wendelstein 7-X to develop the knowledge base for the exploitation of a new clean and abundant primary energy source.
Thomas Klinger is head of the "Stellarator Dynamics and Transport" Division and since 2005 scientific director of the project "Wendelstein 7-X" as well as member of the Directorate of IPP.
The Wendelstein 7-X (W7-X) reactor is an experimental stellarator (nuclear fusion reactor) built in Greifswald, Germany, by the Max Planck Institute of Plasma Physics (IPP).
In April 2001, he was appointed as Scientific Member of the Max-Planck Society and Director at the Max-Planck-Institute of Plasma Physics (IPP) in Greifswald.
After a research period in France he obtained his PhD in 1994 with a thesis on non-linear plasma dynamics. As a research assistant at the University of Kiel, Klinger was concerned with drift wave turbulence and nonlinear plasma structures. As visiting scientist he conducted research at the Alfvén Laboratory in Stockholm, the Centre de Physique Théorique and the Université Aix-Provence in Marseille and the Max-Planck-Institute of Plasma Physics in Garching. He obtained his habilitation in 1998 with a thesis on the control of plasma instabilities. Shortly thereafter he was appointed Professor of Experimental Physics at the Ernst-Moritz Arndt University, Greifswald, where he has headed the Institute of Physics as chair from 2000 till 2001.
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