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Archaeological Tourism: It's more than you can imagine | John Heffern |TEDxYerevan

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    I'm very excited to be here,
    proud to be speaking at TEDxYerevan today.
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    My topic today is archaeological tourism,
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    which I think has tremendous potential,
    tremendous potential for Armenia.
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    Now don't guess what this picture is,
    don't think about this picture.
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    (Laughter)
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    It is not hamburger meat,
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    it is nothing worse than hamburger meat,
    I assure you that.
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    More about this picture in a minute.
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    What I want to start with is a question,
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    to set the concepts
    for my presentation today.
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    The question is this,
    how long do you think,
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    how many years do you think,
    soft tissue, tissue from a body,
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    can last in an archaeological setting
    in a cave.
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    How many years?
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    My friend Boris Gasparyan,
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    who runs the archaeological institute
    here, he's here today,
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    tells me that soft tissue normally
    can last about 500-600 years
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    in an archaeological setting.
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    So you can imagine his surprise
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    when Boris and his team open up a skull,
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    that they found at an archaeological site
    here in Armenia,
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    and out drops brain tissue.
    Brain tissue from a skull
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    that Boris and his team found
    in the Areni Cave in Vayots Dzor Marz
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    here in Armenia.
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    And they found this skull
    on the six thousand year level.
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    So what does that mean?
    That means that this brain tissue
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    that normally would only last about
    500, 600 years in such a setting,
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    somehow lasted six thousand years
    in the Areni cave.
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    There’s something really unique
    happening here in Armenia,
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    and the Armenian people
    need to know about it;
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    the world needs to know about it.
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    So how do we, how does our media
    take better advantage
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    of these archaeological sites,
    and archaeological treasures,
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    both in the area
    of education and research,
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    but also in economics and tourism?
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    So we have some tourists here,
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    standing in the entrance of Areni cave.
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    Well, actually a handsome man
    in the middle is Boris, and not a tourist.
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    So we have these tourists standing
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    at the entrance to the Areni cave
    on this dirt path.
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    But what do you see
    in front of that dirt pathway?
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    You see various vessels and artifacts,
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    that I understand are about
    5000 years old, maybe 5500.
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    So the danger is that everybody
    that walks on that pathway
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    is going to damage
    some of these artifacts below.
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    One possible solution is
    to install an elevated walkway
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    along the wall behind those tourists,
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    and more about that elevated walkway
    in a minute.
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    5500 year old shoe from the Areni Cave
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    is currently on exhibit
    at the History Museum here in Yerevan.
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    Now, Nike Shoe Company
    does not know about this shoe yet,
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    (Laughter)
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    and I think when Nike finds out
    about this shoe,
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    it’s going to make a great commercial.
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    But most Armenians
    know about this shoe.
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    But the shoe is really something
    much more than a single artifact
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    that brings a few hundred more people
    to the History Museum every year.
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    If you go to the source of this shoe,
    to the Areni Cave,
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    you will really see, experience,
    and feel something really amazing.
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    Here’s Dina, I think she’s here today.
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    Here’s Dina.
    Dina’s on the research team here.
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    She’s the one, I think it was in 2008,
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    who uncovered that shoe in that small pit
    in the first level of the Areni Cave.
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    She uncovered the shoe in 2008,
    but the cave, the Areni Cave
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    has so much more to offer than the shoe,
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    and there’s so much in the Areni Cave,
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    so much in the cave that
    hasn’t even been explored yet.
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    The potential is really immense.
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    In other highlights of the cave,
    this one’s also pretty well-known.
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    This is the 6000 year old
    wine-making equipment from the cave,
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    6000 year old wine vessels.
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    And where the white arrow is where
    the people would stomp on the grapes
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    and the juice would run down
    into that vessel,
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    that round vessel in the middle.
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    And then the juice would be fermented
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    and stored in the vessels
    along the outside.
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    6000 year old equipment.
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    That means that these vessels
    have been there since about 4000 BC.
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    4000 BC is 3000 years
    before ancient Hellenic Greece.
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    So that means that in this part
    of the region, this part of Armenia,
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    there was a civilization and culture
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    that was sophisticated enough
    to make wine and to enjoy wine,
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    3000 before ancient Hellenic Greece.
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    Another wine story from Areni.
    This is the Zorah wine.
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    You probably know
    Bloomberg recently named
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    this Armenian red wine, Zorah wine,
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    one of the top ten wines in the world.
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    (Applause)
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    The vineyard here is
    in the shadows of the Areni Cave,
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    those hills beyond the vineyard
    is where the Areni Cave is.
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    Zorik, the Italian Armenian
    who runs the vineyard and the winery,
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    is committed to making this wine
    using traditional Armenian methods,
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    the grapes and the vessels,
    the ceramic vessels
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    that we saw in the earlier slide.
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    Now Zorik is becoming
    pretty famous now, right?
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    He’s got one of the top ten wines
    in the world.
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    So he is often invited now
    to wine-tasting events all over Europe.
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    He goes to these events now, and
    as soon as these European vintners,
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    who've been making wine
    for generations hear
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    that Zorik’s first vintage was in 2010,
    three years ago, 2010,
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    they turn up their nose at this newcomer
    to the wine-making business.
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    Zorik has a response now
    when he’s teased this way.
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    He now says I may be the newest
    wine-maker in this room today,
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    but my next door neighbor in the Areni Cave
    is the oldest wine-maker in the world.
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    (Applause)
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    So why don’t more people come here?
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    Why aren’t there students, PhD students,
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    researchers, and tourists
    all over this country?
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    There’s a lot of reasons,
    there’s limited access –
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    some of these sites are hard to reach,
    there’s not much promotion going on,
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    there’s inadequate resources,
    there are lots of reasons.
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    But one specific reason I want
    to show with this slide,
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    again from the Areni Cave.
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    This is also the 6000 year old level.
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    I think on the right side of your screen
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    you can probably see a couple of vessels
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    that are a part of that
    wine-making equipment.
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    But what do you see on the left side
    of that screen, in that red circle?
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    I see a passageway that is
    totally filled with dirt and rocks.
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    There’s no way to know what’s
    on the other side of that passageway
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    because the excavators,
    the archaeological teams here,
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    can’t continue their digging in Areni Cave
    because they can’t get the dirt out.
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    When you dig,
    you’ve got to do something with the dirt.
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    They can't get the dirt out
    without walking on that pathway
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    and damaging those artifacts below.
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    I see on the other side of that passageway
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    a big cavern with goodness knows
    what kind of treasures,
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    what kind of artifacts there might be
    on the other end of that pathway.
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    But right now we have no way to know
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    what’s on the other end
    of that passageway.
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    Armenia needs to fix this,
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    and Armenia’s international partners
    would like to help.
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    Here’s Boris again,
    this is at the institute,
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    the Archaeological Institute
    here in downtown Yerevan.
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    And he’s showing off some
    of the treasures from the Areni Cave.
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    In fact, there are hundreds
    of artifacts and treasures
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    that have been excavated
    from sites all over Armenia,
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    that are currently sitting
    in cardboard boxes and shoe boxes,
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    wrapped in tissue paper
    in warehouses and basements,
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    because there’s no place
    to display these treasures.
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    There’s no place to do research on them,
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    there’s no place to display
    them in institutes
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    and small buildings in downtown Yerevan.
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    So here’s Boris,
    he’s showing off this textile.
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    This is a 6000 year old textile
    from the Areni Cave.
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    It has no business being around
    so long, six thousand years.
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    So he’s describing to his visitors --
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    he’s had some visitors
    from the Smithsonian Institution
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    in Washington, D.C. and
    Carnegie Corporation in New York,
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    some really important
    potential international partners,
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    they are very interested
    in what the institute is doing.
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    So he describes
    the preserving capabilities of the cave.
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    He says the secret is a unique combination
    of temperature, humidity, and dung.
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    Dung, yes, cow and goat dung,
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    which apparently has remarkable
    preservative properties.
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    My wife Libby is trying to get Boris
    to bottle up some of that dung
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    (Laughter)
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    into a commercial face cream.
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    (Laughter)
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    We’ll see how that sells,
    Boris, we’ll see how that sells.
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    (Laughter)
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    Areni Cave is not alone,
    there are many sites all over Armenia.
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    This is a place called Kakavadzor,
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    it’s a newly discovered site,
    it’s on the road to Gyumri.
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    A magnificent open site,
    it’s a promontory,
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    I hope you can see on the picture
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    there are magnificent gorges
    on both sides.
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    And the promontory points directly
    at Mountain Ararat
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    a magnificent, a magnificent sight.
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    And the promontory
    is full of dozens of altars
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    and different kinds of carved-out beds
    you can see here.
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    Sacrifices, rituals, goodness knows
    what these were used for
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    because this site
    has not been excavated at all.
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    And look at the picture on the right.
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    The picture on the right
    are two magnificent snake petroglyphs
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    on flat stone in somebody’s driveway.
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    There’s a house at the entrance
    to this promontory
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    and these petroglyphs
    are sitting right on the ground,
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    I guess this guy drives
    through these things
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    on his way to work every day.
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    Where else but Armenia would you have
    two snake petroglyphs,
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    from, I don’t know,
    5500 years old,
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    that’s what this site is,
    in somebody’s driveway.
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    It’s really quite, quite amazing.
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    So, Kakavadzor, newly discovered site,
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    5500 years old,
    no excavations yet.
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    University students, PhD students,
    universities, all over the world
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    would salivate to have a chance
    to work with the team
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    from the institute to excavate this site.
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    What can we do to make this happen,
    how can we make this happen?
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    Wait, hold on, there’s more.
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    I hope you can see this picture.
    This site is in Armavir Marz.
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    Some of us recently visited this site,
    it’s from Google Earth,
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    the picture is from thousands of feet up,
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    I don’t know how far away the camera is.
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    So you can tell this is a huge structure,
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    a tremendous structure, stone structure.
    4500 years old or so.
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    It’s used for hunting,
    or was used for hunting.
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    You can maybe see on the right side
    of your screen an opening
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    which is where the people would entice
    or drive the animals into that opening.
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    The animals would instinctively
    run along the inside of that stone wall
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    and at this point on the left side
    of your screen there’s a big pit.
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    Animals fall into the pit, whalla, dinner.
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    This is a hunting structure
    from 4500 years old
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    on a hillside in Armavir Marz.
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    There are also petroglyphs all over.
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    As exciting as this site is to see,
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    there’s something
    even more exciting about it.
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    This site and the analysis of this site
    is changing the way,
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    changing the conversation among
    anthropologists and archaeologists
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    about the origin of human communities.
    It’s a pretty big deal.
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    Why did people come together
    into communities or villages,
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    why did they start working together?
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    The traditional thought is maybe
    it was the introduction of agriculture.
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    It caused hunters and gatherers
    to come together into a village.
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    But this demonstration,
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    this was before the introduction
    of agriculture in this region,
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    this demonstrates that people worked
    together on communal projects
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    in communities of one sort or another,
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    before the introduction of agriculture
    is changing, potentially changing,
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    a revolutionary idea,
    changing the way
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    anthropologists are looking
    at this really important point.
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    And this site is right in our backyard.
    in Armavir Marz.
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    There are many other sites,
    there’s Ukhtasar mountain,
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    there’s Sisian,
    magnificent petroglyphs all over,
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    just to demonstrate again
    that the potential is enormous.
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    There are sites all over Armenia,
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    a dozen or so
    that are being worked on now,
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    many more than that
    not being worked on.
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    The potential is really enormous.
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    So here’s my challenge,
    the challenge is the Embassy,
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    we’ve just now received
    from Washington about $50,000
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    to begin work on Areni Cave,
    working with the Institute.
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    We’re going to put a perimeter fence,
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    protective fence,
    around the outside of the cave,
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    we’re going to begin to install
    that elevated walkway
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    that we talked about on that earlier slide.
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    Hopefully it will improve access
    to the cave,
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    and that’s a start.
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    (Applause)
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    Get more tourists in to appreciate
    the sites and the cave,
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    maybe bring more resources
    to the institute,
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    and allow the resumption
    of the excavation,
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    so we can get the dirt out and see what’s
    on the other end of that passageway.
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    So it’s a start.
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    There’s another important partner
    that’s been working with the Institute,
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    Michael Gfoeller,
    who’s here today with us,
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    a retired US Ambassador,
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    he was the Deputy Ambassador.
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    (Applause)
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    He was number two here at the US Embassy
    back in the late 1990s,
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    and since he left Armenia,
    he and his brother Joe
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    have been raising funds
    for archaeological digs
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    in the Republic of Armenia.
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    (Applause)
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    But they really have been
    virtually alone in this effort.
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    There really is nobody else,
    who has been working insistently
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    to support and work with the Institute
    and Boris and his team on his digs.
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    Other countries about the size of Armenia,
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    Israel and Cyprus, even little Malta,
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    have done some pretty good work
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    to excavate their sites
    and conserve their sites
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    and promote their sites
    for education and tourism.
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    Why not Armenia? Why not Armenia?
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    So how can we help?
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    The Institute is working
    with traditional partners,
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    with Embassies and
    international organizations
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    and foundations and universities.
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    And again, making a bit of a start,
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    doing some important good work.
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    But there are lots of platforms out there,
    new creative platforms,
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    where individuals can contribute
    to efforts like this.
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    In fact, Armenia doesn’t make
    very good use
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    of any of these platforms right now.
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    There’s huge potential for Armenia.
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    Crowdfunding, crowdsourcing,
    microloans, social entrepreneurship,
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    huge potential including
    in this area of archaeology.
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    And there’s one site that I gather
    is about to do a campaign,
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    hopefully pretty soon, in archaeology,
    a crowdfunding platform.
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    So my plea to you today,
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    I hope that everybody today
    will be leaving Tumo Center,
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    they will all be committed
    to doing what we can
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    through our organizations,
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    or individually, through one
    of these crowdfunding sites,
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    to bring these archaeological
    treasures to light
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    and to show off Armenia
    as an archaeological treasure.
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    Armenia is starting to do some good work
    in promoting its religious sites,
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    its historic sites, its cultural sites.
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    Why not the archaeological sites?
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    So again, I hope when we leave here
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    we do more than just imagine
    all the great stuff
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    that you can see at the Areni Cave.
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    I hope we can go out and
    we see it ourselves.
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    And I hope even more importantly
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    that we bring that story to the world.
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    Thank you very much.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Archaeological Tourism: It's more than you can imagine | John Heffern |TEDxYerevan
Description:

Among the many treasures in Armenia, archeology is an untapped resource, both for academic understanding and development of tourism. Ambassador Heffern describes his passion for Armenian archeology and highlights several sites that can be developed.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDxTalks
Duration:
18:17
  • Hi Gohar, I see you have already put a lot of work into this transcript, but I have to return it form some more improvements. Some lines are still too long, which you can check in the New Editor. Please make sure they're not longer than 84 characters (42 per line). This tutorial can help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvNQoD32Qqo Thanks!

  • Hi! I'm sorry this took so long, but i finally got to doing the approval. There were some things left that needed fixing and due to the bad microphone situation I also didn't understand two things. Is there a way to ask the original speaker what he meant? And now I really think I'd like to see Armenia! :) All the best, Judith

    00:46 It would make sense to have the whole sentence in the same subtitle (it is nothing worse than hamburger meat)
    04:54 -- I cannot understand what he says but he does not say "other"
    06:43 -- it's recommendable to start and finish a unit in a sentence on the same screen.
    10:43 -- Don't forget to check if the words you use exist. :) It's "promontory"
    11:01 -- again, I don't think he says "carved-out things". It sounds like "carved-out beds", but that doesn't make much sense either. Is there a way we can ask him? Can you contact him and check?

    1304 etc: I understand that "marz" is not part of the actual word, but in English it just looks like it's a misspelled English word if you don't capitalize it too, can we capitalize it too? (and all the previous times)

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