We all worry about the threat of terrorism but should we? | Stephen Coleman | TEDxCanberra
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0:10 - 0:14You may have absolutely no idea
what I'm about to talk about, -
0:15 - 0:17but as soon as I throw up
something like this, -
0:17 - 0:20you're probably all thinking,
"Oh, he's going to talk about terrorism." -
0:21 - 0:23You're right, I am,
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0:23 - 0:27but hopefully, I'm going to do it
in a slightly different way -
0:27 - 0:29and get you to think about some things
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0:29 - 0:31that you may not have thought
about before, -
0:31 - 0:33particularly with regard to the way
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0:33 - 0:36we react to the threat
of a terrorist attack. -
0:38 - 0:44This sort of image and this event
is one of the images of the 21st century. -
0:45 - 0:47I think, when we talk about terrorism,
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0:47 - 0:51the reason a lot of people think
of images like this -
0:51 - 0:54is not just because this was
such a huge attack, -
0:54 - 0:59but also because this was the moment
that we, in the Western world went, -
0:59 - 1:05"The problems over there
can come and visit us over here." -
1:06 - 1:09Western states had dealt with
issues of terrorism before, -
1:09 - 1:12but basically, it had always
been homegrown terrorists -
1:12 - 1:13they were dealing with,
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1:13 - 1:14and this is a situation
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1:14 - 1:20where the problems over in that part
of the world suddenly came home; -
1:20 - 1:23in this case, to the United States.
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1:23 - 1:28I want to get you to think about
our response to this sort of attack, -
1:28 - 1:30and our response to terrorism in general.
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1:30 - 1:33It's actually surprisingly difficult
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1:33 - 1:35to get people to agree on
a definition of terrorism -
1:35 - 1:38so I hope, as Kofi Annan says,
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1:38 - 1:39"We can all agree
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1:39 - 1:41that any deliberate attack
on innocent civilians, -
1:41 - 1:42regardless of one's cause,
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1:42 - 1:45is unacceptable and fits
into the definition of terrorism." -
1:45 - 1:49That's actually
what I'm going to be talking about. -
1:49 - 1:54We all worry about
the threat of terrorism, -
1:54 - 1:59we all think about what sort of response
is appropriate to these threats, -
1:59 - 2:03and we all worry about what might happen
if we had a terrorist attack here. -
2:03 - 2:07Then we hear about terrorist attacks
going on around the world, -
2:07 - 2:11we see images of terrorist attacks,
we think about terrorism, -
2:11 - 2:16and we get this idea in our heads
- a not unreasonable idea - -
2:17 - 2:21that the people that carry out
these attacks are truly awful, -
2:22 - 2:24that they're evil.
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2:24 - 2:27But what tends to come
along with that in our heads -
2:27 - 2:29is this idea that because they're evil,
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2:29 - 2:34we can, and we must do
anything we possibly can -
2:34 - 2:38to stop a terrorist attack
from occurring where we are. -
2:39 - 2:43I think there are a lot of problems
with that sort of thought. -
2:43 - 2:46There's a lot of risks that come
with that sort of thought -
2:46 - 2:48that we don't really appreciate.
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2:50 - 2:52We often see our governments
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2:52 - 2:56talking about the risks
of terrorist attack, -
2:56 - 2:59and we see them talking
about how there's a need -
2:59 - 3:02to protect our lives and our security,
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3:02 - 3:07that we should all be able to walk
safely down the street during the day -
3:07 - 3:10and sleep safely in our beds at night.
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3:10 - 3:14Obviously, these things are,
in fact, really important, -
3:14 - 3:17but they're not the only important thing.
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3:18 - 3:22I'm sure people
in North Korea, for example, -
3:22 - 3:25can walk down the streets during the day,
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3:25 - 3:29sit in their houses, sleep
safely in their beds at night. -
3:29 - 3:32They are pretty safe
from a terrorist attack there, -
3:32 - 3:35but who wants to live in North Korea?
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3:36 - 3:39We can see if we look
all around the world, -
3:39 - 3:42there are places where people
are willing to risk -
3:42 - 3:44their life, their security, their liberty
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3:44 - 3:46to try and secure
some of these other rights -
3:46 - 3:49that we actually take for granted.
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3:49 - 3:53You can see that
in the current protests in Hong Kong, -
3:54 - 3:57a few years ago in the Arab Spring;
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3:57 - 3:59going further back,
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3:59 - 4:02to one of the iconic images
of the 20th century, -
4:04 - 4:06the Tank Man in Beijing
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4:06 - 4:09near the Tienanmen
Square Protests in 1989. -
4:09 - 4:12All these people were willing to risk
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4:12 - 4:15their lives, their security,
their liberty -
4:15 - 4:19to try and secure some
of these other rights that we have. -
4:20 - 4:22So, it's clear,
when we look at things like this, -
4:22 - 4:27that our life and our security
is not the only important thing, -
4:28 - 4:31That's something
we need to be keeping in mind -
4:31 - 4:33when we're thinking about
how we're responding -
4:33 - 4:35to the threat of a terrorist attack.
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4:37 - 4:41This is a map of all the terrorist attacks
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4:41 - 4:43in 2013 all around the world
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4:43 - 4:46put together
by the Global Terrorism Database. -
4:46 - 4:49They, I should say, take
a fairly broad view of terrorism, -
4:49 - 4:52so there are some events on here
that a lot of people might say, -
4:52 - 4:56"That doesn't really count
as a terrorist attack." -
4:56 - 5:00If you look at this map, you can see,
from the intensity of some of these things -
5:00 - 5:03and the concentration
of attacks in various places, -
5:03 - 5:05there are places around the world
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5:05 - 5:08where terrorism is
a really serious, everyday threat. -
5:08 - 5:12In Afghanistan, in Pakistan,
in Iraq, and so on, -
5:12 - 5:15there are lots of terrorist attacks,
serious terrorist attacks, -
5:15 - 5:17happening all the time.
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5:17 - 5:19But then if you look at places
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5:19 - 5:25like Europe, North America,
Australia, or New Zealand, -
5:26 - 5:29suddenly, things start
to look a little different. -
5:29 - 5:33There aren't many terrorist
attacks in these places. -
5:33 - 5:38We need to think seriously about
what the actual risk is. -
5:39 - 5:42We want it to be the case
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5:42 - 5:44that there aren't
terrorist attacks in these places, -
5:44 - 5:46but how do we achieve that?
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5:46 - 5:50The way we go about achieving that
is actually really important. -
5:51 - 5:53How serious is the risk really?
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5:53 - 5:57Let's compare the risk of terrorism
with some other things. -
5:58 - 6:03You're nearly 100 times more likely
to drown in your own bathtub -
6:03 - 6:05than you are to be killed by a terrorist.
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6:07 - 6:12You're eight times more likely
to be killed by a lightning strike -
6:12 - 6:14than you are to be killed by a terrorist.
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6:16 - 6:18Since 2003,
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6:19 - 6:22three times as many Australians
have been killed -
6:22 - 6:25falling out of their own beds
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6:25 - 6:28than Australians killed by
terrorist attacks anywhere in the world. -
6:28 - 6:29(Laughter)
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6:35 - 6:41Yes, but we really need
to protect ourselves, -
6:42 - 6:43so we start to think,
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6:43 - 6:47"What about this situation?
How do we protect ourselves? -
6:47 - 6:49What do we need to do?"
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6:49 - 6:52If we're really serious about protecting
our lives and our security, -
6:52 - 6:55maybe, there are in fact,
other things that we should be looking at. -
6:55 - 6:58So we've talked about
some really extraordinary situations, -
6:58 - 7:01but what about really common ones?
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7:01 - 7:07You are tens of thousands times
more likely to die an early death -
7:07 - 7:11from a preventable disease
brought on by unhealthy eating -
7:11 - 7:13than you are to be killed by a terrorist.
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7:14 - 7:18So, if we really want to protect
our lives and our security, -
7:18 - 7:21if we're really worried about them
maybe we should think about this. -
7:21 - 7:25If we consider this in the same terms
as we're talking about with terrorism, -
7:25 - 7:28does that mean we should give police
great new powers -
7:28 - 7:32to go out and seek out
those involved in unhealthy eating? -
7:32 - 7:33(Laughter)
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7:33 - 7:37To cope with organizations
that promote unhealthy eating practices? -
7:37 - 7:41That advocate unhealthy
eating practices in others? -
7:41 - 7:44Should we give police
new enforcement powers? -
7:44 - 7:47The idea of a fat camp
might take on a whole new meaning -
7:47 - 7:50if it was located at Guantanamo Bay.
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7:50 - 7:51(Laughter)
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7:53 - 7:55Of course, if you were doing this,
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7:55 - 7:57there might be some police departments
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7:57 - 7:59that needed some new
internal investigation. -
7:59 - 8:01(Laughter)
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8:03 - 8:05I'm sure that there are people thinking,
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8:05 - 8:08"Yeah, but comparing that to terrorism,
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8:08 - 8:11when you're on unhealthy eating,
you're hurting yourself, -
8:11 - 8:13and terrorists
are attacking other people." -
8:13 - 8:16Maybe there's something to that,
although, if you think about it, -
8:16 - 8:18there's lots of parents and caregivers
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8:18 - 8:22who give unhealthy foods to those children
and others in their care, -
8:22 - 8:25but OK, let's look at something else then:
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8:27 - 8:28Traffic accidents.
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8:28 - 8:33You are 1,000 times more likely to die
in a motor vehicle accident -
8:33 - 8:35than you are to be killed by a terrorist,
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8:35 - 8:38and this is something
that does affect everybody. -
8:38 - 8:41Anybody from any walk of life
might well be killed -
8:41 - 8:43in a motor vehicle accident.
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8:43 - 8:46If we're serious about life and security,
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8:46 - 8:48should be something about this?
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8:50 - 8:51There's plenty of evidence that says
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8:51 - 8:55reducing speed limits saves lives.
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8:55 - 8:59Heaps of evidence here,
so why not halve all speed limits -
8:59 - 9:01if we're really serious
about saving lives? -
9:01 - 9:04Why not give police
massive enforcement powers, -
9:04 - 9:07maybe technology that allows them
to track every vehicle -
9:07 - 9:11and make sure they're actually complying
with these speed limits? -
9:11 - 9:14Allow them to target those
who are involved in speeding behaviors, -
9:14 - 9:17or who might be involved
in speeding behaviors, -
9:17 - 9:19or who we think may have some involvement
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9:19 - 9:21with others who are involved
in speeding behaviors. -
9:21 - 9:23(Laughter)
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9:24 - 9:28I think if we start talking
about speeding in the same way -
9:28 - 9:31we've been talking about terrorism
and the risks involved with speeding -
9:31 - 9:35in the same way we talked about
the risks of a terrorist attack, -
9:35 - 9:37then we maybe start to think
there's a problem. -
9:37 - 9:39I suggest it's not about our speeding,
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9:39 - 9:43but again, about how we think
about terrorist attack. -
9:44 - 9:48There are lots of quotes
that I thought about throwing up here -
9:48 - 9:50to help make my point,
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9:50 - 9:51but I think, in the end,
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9:51 - 9:54the best one that was suggested
by one of my daughters -
9:54 - 9:57- actually, it comes from
"Captain America: The Winter Soldier," -
9:57 - 10:02where one of the villains
in that says basically, -
10:02 - 10:05"People will fight for their freedom
if people try to take it from them, -
10:05 - 10:07but if you cause enough trouble,
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10:07 - 10:12people will willingly give up
their freedom for a more secure world." -
10:13 - 10:17That's what we've done
with our response to terrorism. -
10:18 - 10:21Terrorism is about causing fear,
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10:21 - 10:24about causing terror, hence the name,
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10:24 - 10:28and you don't even need
to kill anybody or hurt anybody -
10:28 - 10:31to actually cause fear and terror.
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10:33 - 10:36If we talk about it enough,
if we worry about it enough, -
10:36 - 10:38we do that to ourselves.
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10:39 - 10:44We bring in all of these reactions,
police powers, security service powers -
10:44 - 10:46to try and deal with this problem.
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10:46 - 10:52So, we bring in laws that say we'll allow
foreign imprisonment without trial, -
10:52 - 10:56for massive violations
of people's privacy. -
10:56 - 10:57Retroactive laws that make it illegal
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10:57 - 11:00for people to do things
that they already did -
11:00 - 11:03that weren't a crime when they did them.
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11:04 - 11:08That we allow those people amongst us
who are dealing with these problems -
11:08 - 11:11to violate the rule of law
in various ways. -
11:12 - 11:14We have our politicians saying,
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11:14 - 11:16"We need to make sure
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11:17 - 11:20that we don't let
these terrorists steal away -
11:20 - 11:22our fundamental rights and freedoms,"
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11:23 - 11:28and then we give them up of our own accord
as a response to the threat of terrorism. -
11:29 - 11:33There is a real threat,
certainly, a much greater threat, -
11:33 - 11:36in some parts of the world than in others,
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11:37 - 11:40and we need to actually
respond to that threat, -
11:40 - 11:44we need to think about
how we'll deal with these situations, -
11:44 - 11:47but our response actually needs to be
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11:47 - 11:51a calm one, a reasoned one,
a well-balanced one, -
11:51 - 11:56and it needs to take into account
the actual severity of the threat; -
11:56 - 12:00it needs to be
a realistic approach about that. -
12:00 - 12:03Any extreme approach that we take
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12:03 - 12:08just builds the fear that we already have
and in fact, helps the terrorists. -
12:09 - 12:10Thank you.
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12:10 - 12:11(Applause)
- Title:
- We all worry about the threat of terrorism but should we? | Stephen Coleman | TEDxCanberra
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
Stephen Coleman examines the threat of global terrorism and its affect on public policy. But what are the real risks of terrorism to the public? His response is surprising.
Stephen works in a diverse range of areas in applied ethics, including military ethics, police ethics, medical ethics, space ethics and the practical applications of human rights. He has published and presented in various forms in Australia, the United States, the United Kingdom, New Zealand and Hong Kong. Coleman is the Director of the Ethics program for the Australian Centre for the Study of Armed Conflict and Society (ACSACS) at UNSW, Canberra, as well as a Research Fellow with the international Consortium on Emerging Technology, Military Operations and National Security (CETMONS).
Previously he has been a Resident Fellow at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at the United States Naval Academy, where he was part of a large research project examining the ethical implications of various new and developing military technologies. This project helped to brief the Department of Defense, the US Congress and the White House on these issues. He can also make balloon and origami animals, juggle, breathe fire and ride a unicycle, though not all at the same time.
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