Department of Corrections: Dan Pacholke at TEDxMonroeCorrectionalComplex
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0:04 - 0:07My name is Dan Pacholke,
I'm the assistant secretary -
0:07 - 0:10of the prisons division
of the State Department of corrections. -
0:10 - 0:13We're seen as the organization that is
the bucket for failed social policy. -
0:13 - 0:17I can't define who comes to us
or how long they stay. -
0:17 - 0:19We get the people for whom
nothing else has worked, -
0:19 - 0:23people who have fallen through all
of the other social safety nets. -
0:23 - 0:25They can't contain them, so we must.
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0:25 - 0:26That's our job:
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0:26 - 0:29contain them, control them.
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0:29 - 0:31Over the years, as a prison system,
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0:31 - 0:33as a nation, and as a society,
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0:33 - 0:35we've become very good at that,
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0:35 - 0:37but that shouldn't make you happy.
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0:37 - 0:39Today we incarcerate
more people per capita -
0:39 - 0:41than any other country in the world.
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0:41 - 0:43We have more black men in prison today
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0:43 - 0:45than were under slavery in 1850.
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0:45 - 0:47We house the parents
of almost three million -
0:47 - 0:49of our community's children,
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0:49 - 0:51and we've become the new asylum,
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0:51 - 0:54the largest mental health provider
in this nation. -
0:54 - 0:56When we lock someone up,
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0:56 - 0:58that is no small thing.
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0:58 - 1:01And yet, we are called
the Department of Corrections. -
1:01 - 1:02Today I want to talk about
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1:02 - 1:05changing the way we think
about corrections. -
1:05 - 1:07I believe, and my experience tells me,
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1:07 - 1:09that when we change the way we think,
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1:09 - 1:11we create new possibilities, or futures,
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1:11 - 1:14and prisons need a different future.
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1:14 - 1:17I've spent my entire career
in corrections, over 30 years. -
1:17 - 1:19I followed my dad into this field.
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1:19 - 1:22He was a Vietnam veteran.
Corrections suited him. -
1:22 - 1:25He was strong, steady, disciplined.
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1:25 - 1:27I was not so much any of those things,
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1:27 - 1:29and I'm sure that worried him about me.
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1:29 - 1:32Eventually I decided,
if I was going to end up in prison, -
1:32 - 1:34I'd better end up
on the right side of the bars, -
1:34 - 1:35so I thought I'd check it out,
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1:35 - 1:37take a tour of the place my dad worked,
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1:37 - 1:39the McNeil Island Penitentiary.
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1:39 - 1:41Now this was the early '80s,
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1:41 - 1:43and prisons weren't quite what you see
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1:43 - 1:44on TV or in the movies.
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1:44 - 1:47In many ways, it was worse.
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1:47 - 1:49I walked into a cell house
that was five tiers high. -
1:49 - 1:51There were eight men to a cell.
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1:51 - 1:53there were 550 men in that living unit.
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1:53 - 1:55And just in case you wondered,
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1:55 - 1:58they shared one toilet
in those small confines. -
1:58 - 2:00An officer put a key in a lockbox,
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2:00 - 2:02and hundreds of men
streamed out of their cells. -
2:02 - 2:05Hundreds of men
streamed out of their cells. -
2:05 - 2:07I walked away as fast as I could.
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2:07 - 2:09Eventually I went back
and I started as an officer there. -
2:09 - 2:12My job was to run one of those cell blocks
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2:12 - 2:14and to control those hundreds of men.
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2:14 - 2:17When I went to work
at our receptions center, -
2:17 - 2:19I could actually hear the inmates
roiling from the parking lot, -
2:19 - 2:21shaking cell doors, yelling,
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2:21 - 2:23tearing up their cells.
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2:23 - 2:25Take hundreds of volatile people
and lock them up, -
2:25 - 2:27and what you get is chaos.
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2:27 - 2:30Contain and control - that was our job.
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2:31 - 2:33One way we learned
to do this more effectively -
2:33 - 2:35was a new type of housing unit
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2:35 - 2:37called the Intensive Management Unit, IMU,
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2:37 - 2:39a modern version of a "hole."
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2:39 - 2:41We put inmates in cells
behind solid steel doors -
2:41 - 2:43with cuff ports so we could restrain them
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2:43 - 2:45and feed them.
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2:45 - 2:47Guess what?
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2:47 - 2:49It got quieter.
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2:49 - 2:51Disturbances died down
in the general population. -
2:51 - 2:53Places became safer
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2:53 - 2:55because those inmates
who were most violent or disruptive -
2:55 - 2:57could now be isolated.
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2:57 - 2:58But isolation isn't good.
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2:58 - 3:01Deprive people of social contact
and they deteriorate. -
3:01 - 3:03It was hard getting them out of IMU,
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3:03 - 3:05for them and for us.
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3:06 - 3:08Even in prison, it's no small thing
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3:08 - 3:09to lock someone up.
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3:09 - 3:12My next assignment was
to one of the state's deep-end prisons -
3:12 - 3:15where some of our more violent
or disruptive inmates are housed. -
3:15 - 3:18By then, the industry had advanced a lot,
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3:18 - 3:20and we had different tools and techniques
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3:20 - 3:21to manage disruptive behavior.
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3:21 - 3:24We had beanbag guns and pepper spray
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3:24 - 3:26and plexiglass shields,
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3:26 - 3:28flash bangs, emergency response teams.
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3:28 - 3:30We met violence with force
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3:30 - 3:31and chaos with chaos.
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3:31 - 3:34We were pretty good at putting out fires.
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3:34 - 3:37While I was there, I met
two experienced correctional workers -
3:37 - 3:39who were also researchers,
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3:39 - 3:42an anthropologist and a sociologist.
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3:42 - 3:44One day, one of them
commented to me and said, -
3:44 - 3:46"You know, you're pretty good
at putting out fires. -
3:46 - 3:49Have you ever thought
about how to prevent them?" -
3:49 - 3:51I was patient with them,
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3:51 - 3:53explaining our brute force approach
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3:53 - 3:54to making prisons safer.
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3:54 - 3:56They were patient with me.
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3:56 - 3:58Out of those conversations
grew some new ideas -
3:58 - 4:00and we started some small experiments.
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4:00 - 4:03First, we started training
our officers in teams -
4:03 - 4:06rather than sending them one or two
at a time to the state training academy. -
4:06 - 4:09Instead of four weeks of training,
we gave them 10. -
4:09 - 4:11Then we experimented
with an apprenticeship model -
4:11 - 4:14where we paired new staff
with veteran staff. -
4:14 - 4:16They both got better at the work.
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4:16 - 4:18We changed the way we trained our staff.
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4:19 - 4:22Second, we added
verbal de-escalation skills -
4:22 - 4:24into the training continuum
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4:24 - 4:26and made it part
of the use of force continuum. -
4:27 - 4:29It was the non-force use of force.
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4:29 - 4:31And then we did something
even more radical. -
4:31 - 4:34We trained the inmates
on those same skills. -
4:34 - 4:35We changed the skill set,
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4:35 - 4:38reducing violence,
not just responding to it. -
4:38 - 4:41Third, when we expanded our facility,
we tried a new type of design. -
4:41 - 4:45Now the biggest
and most controversial component -
4:45 - 4:47of this design, of course, was the toilet.
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4:49 - 4:51There were no toilets.
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4:51 - 4:54Now that might not sound
significant to you here today, -
4:54 - 4:56but at the time, it was huge.
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4:56 - 4:58No one had ever heard
of a cell without a toilet. -
4:58 - 5:00We all thought it was dangerous and crazy.
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5:00 - 5:02Even eight men to a cell had a toilet.
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5:02 - 5:05That small detail
changed the way we worked. -
5:05 - 5:07Inmates and staff started interacting
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5:07 - 5:09more often and openly
and developing a rapport. -
5:09 - 5:12It was easier to detect conflict
and intervene -
5:12 - 5:14before it escalated.
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5:14 - 5:17The unit was cleaner, quieter,
safer and more humane. -
5:17 - 5:19This was more effective
at keeping the peace -
5:19 - 5:22than any intimidation technique
I'd seen to that point. -
5:22 - 5:24Interacting changes the way you behave,
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5:24 - 5:27both for the officer and the inmate.
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5:27 - 5:29We changed the environment
and we changed the behavior. -
5:29 - 5:32Now, just in case
I hadn't learned this lesson, -
5:32 - 5:34they assigned me to headquarters next,
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5:34 - 5:37and that's where I ran
straight up against system change. -
5:37 - 5:39Now, many things work
against system change: -
5:39 - 5:41politics and politicians, bills and laws,
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5:41 - 5:43courts and lawsuits, internal politics.
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5:43 - 5:46System change is difficult and slow,
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5:46 - 5:48and oftentimes it doesn't take you
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5:48 - 5:50where you want to go.
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5:50 - 5:53It's no small thing
to change a prison system. -
5:54 - 5:57So what I did do is I reflected
on my earlier experiences -
5:57 - 5:59and I remembered that
when we interacted with offenders, -
5:59 - 6:01the heat went down.
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6:01 - 6:03When we changed the environment,
the behavior changed. -
6:03 - 6:05And these were not huge system changes.
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6:05 - 6:08These were small changes,
and they created new possibilities. -
6:08 - 6:11So next, I got reassigned
as superintendent of a small prison. -
6:11 - 6:13And at the same time,
I was working on my degree -
6:13 - 6:15at the Evergreen State College.
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6:15 - 6:17I interacted with a lot of people
who were not like me, -
6:17 - 6:19people who had different ideas
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6:19 - 6:21and came from different backgrounds.
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6:21 - 6:22One of them was a rainforest ecologist.
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6:22 - 6:26She looked at my small prison
and what she saw was a laboratory. -
6:26 - 6:29We talked and discovered
how prisons and inmates -
6:29 - 6:31could actually help advance science
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6:31 - 6:33by helping them complete projects
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6:33 - 6:34they couldn't complete on their own,
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6:34 - 6:37like repopulating endangered species:
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6:37 - 6:39frogs, butterflies,
endangered prairie plants. -
6:39 - 6:41At the same time, we found ways to make
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6:41 - 6:43our operation more efficient
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6:43 - 6:45through the addition of solar power,
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6:45 - 6:48rainwater catchment,
organic gardening, recycling. -
6:48 - 6:51This initiative has led to many projects
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6:51 - 6:53that have had huge system-wide impact,
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6:53 - 6:56not just in our system,
but in other state systems as well, -
6:56 - 6:59small experiments making a big difference
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6:59 - 7:01to science, to the community.
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7:01 - 7:05The way we think about
our work changes our work. -
7:05 - 7:07The project just made my job
more interesting and exciting. -
7:07 - 7:09I was excited. Staff were excited.
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7:09 - 7:11Officers were excited.
Inmates were excited. -
7:11 - 7:13They were inspired.
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7:13 - 7:15Everybody wanted to be part of this.
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7:15 - 7:17They were making a contribution,
a difference, -
7:17 - 7:19one they thought
was meaningful and important. -
7:19 - 7:21Let me be clear
on what's going on here, though. -
7:21 - 7:23Inmates are highly adaptive.
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7:23 - 7:24They have to be.
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7:24 - 7:27Oftentimes, they know more
about our own systems -
7:27 - 7:29than the people who run them.
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7:29 - 7:30And they're here for a reason.
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7:30 - 7:33I don't see my job
as to punish them or forgive them, -
7:33 - 7:35but I do think they can have
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7:35 - 7:37decent and meaningful lives
even in prison. -
7:37 - 7:40So that was the question:
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7:40 - 7:42Could inmates live
decent and meaningful lives, -
7:42 - 7:44and if so,
what difference would that make? -
7:46 - 7:48So I took that question
back to the deep end, -
7:48 - 7:51where some of our
most violent offenders are housed. -
7:51 - 7:53Remember, IMUs are for punishment.
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7:53 - 7:55You don't get perks there,
like programming. -
7:55 - 7:57That was how we thought.
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7:57 - 8:00But then we started to realize
that if any inmates -
8:00 - 8:02needed programming,
it was these particular inmates. -
8:02 - 8:04In fact, they needed
intensive programming. -
8:04 - 8:06So we changed our thinking 180 degrees,
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8:06 - 8:08and we started looking
for new possibilities. -
8:08 - 8:11What we found was a new kind of chair.
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8:11 - 8:13Instead of using the chair for punishment,
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8:13 - 8:14we put it in classrooms.
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8:14 - 8:17Okay, we didn't forget
our responsibility to control, -
8:17 - 8:20but now inmates
could interact safely, face-to-face -
8:20 - 8:21with other inmates and staff,
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8:21 - 8:23and because control
was no longer an issue, -
8:23 - 8:26everybody could focus on other things,
like learning. -
8:26 - 8:28Behavior changed.
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8:28 - 8:31We changed our thinking,
and we changed what was possible, -
8:31 - 8:33and this gives me hope.
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8:33 - 8:36Now, I can't tell you
that any of this stuff will work. -
8:36 - 8:39What I can tell you,
though, it is working. -
8:39 - 8:42Our prisons are getting safer
for both staff and inmates, -
8:42 - 8:44and when our prisons are safe,
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8:44 - 8:48we can put our energies
into a lot more than just controlling. -
8:49 - 8:51Reducing recidivism
may be our ultimate goal, -
8:51 - 8:53but it's not our only goal.
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8:53 - 8:55To be honest with you, preventing crime
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8:55 - 8:57takes so much more
from so many more people -
8:57 - 8:59and institutions.
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8:59 - 9:02If we rely on just prisons
to reduce crime, -
9:02 - 9:04I'm afraid we'll never get there.
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9:04 - 9:06But prisons can do some things
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9:06 - 9:08we never thought they could do.
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9:08 - 9:10Prisons can be the source of innovation
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9:10 - 9:11and sustainability,
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9:11 - 9:14repopulating endangered species
and environmental restoration. -
9:14 - 9:16Inmates can be scientists and beekeepers,
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9:16 - 9:18dog rescuers.
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9:18 - 9:21Prisons can be the source
of meaningful work -
9:21 - 9:23and opportunity for staff
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9:23 - 9:25and the inmates who live there.
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9:25 - 9:28We can contain and control
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9:28 - 9:30and provide humane environments.
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9:30 - 9:32These are not opposing qualities.
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9:33 - 9:35We can't wait 10 to 20 years to find out
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9:35 - 9:36if this is worth doing.
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9:36 - 9:38Our strategy is not massive system change.
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9:38 - 9:40Our strategy is hundreds of small changes
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9:40 - 9:44that take place in days or months,
not years. -
9:44 - 9:47We need more small pilots
where we learn as we go, -
9:47 - 9:50pilots that change
the range of possibility. -
9:50 - 9:53We need new and better ways
to measure impacts -
9:53 - 9:55on engagement, on interaction,
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9:55 - 9:57on safe environments.
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9:57 - 9:59We need more opportunities
to participate in -
9:59 - 10:01and contribute to our communities,
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10:01 - 10:03your communities.
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10:03 - 10:06Prisons need to be secure, yes, safe, yes.
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10:06 - 10:08We can do that.
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10:08 - 10:10Prisons need to provide
humane environments -
10:10 - 10:12where people can participate, contribute,
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10:12 - 10:13and learn meaningful lives.
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10:13 - 10:15We're learning how to do that.
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10:15 - 10:17That's why I'm hopeful.
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10:17 - 10:19We don't have to stay stuck
in old ideas about prison. -
10:19 - 10:21We can define that. We can create that.
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10:21 - 10:24And when we do that thoughtfully
and with humanity, -
10:24 - 10:26prisons can be more than the bucket
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10:26 - 10:28for failed social policy.
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10:28 - 10:30Maybe finally, we will earn our title:
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10:30 - 10:32a department of corrections.
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10:32 - 10:34Thank you.
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10:34 - 10:37(Applause)
- Title:
- Department of Corrections: Dan Pacholke at TEDxMonroeCorrectionalComplex
- Description:
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Through personal experiences and observations, this story examines how small changes have profound impacts on incarceration. It suggests how incarceration and its story can continue to evolve with a greater connection to humanity and meaning.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 10:43
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