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When people of Muslim heritage challenge fundamentalism

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    Could I protect my father
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    from the Armed Islamic Group with a paring knife?
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    That was the question I faced
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    one Tuesday morning in June of 1993,
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    when I was a law student.
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    I woke up early that morning
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    in Dad's apartment
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    on the outskirts of Algiers, Algeria,
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    to an unrelenting pounding on the front door.
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    It was a season as described by a local paper
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    when every Tuesday a scholar fell
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    to the bullets of fundamentalist assassins.
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    My father's university teaching of Darwin
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    had already provoked a classroom visit
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    from the head of the so-called
    Islamic Salvation Front,
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    who denounced Dad as an advocate of biologism
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    before Dad had ejected the man,
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    and now whoever was outside
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    would neither identify himself nor go away.
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    So my father tried to get the police on the phone,
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    but perhaps terrified by the rising tide
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    of armed extremism that had already claimed
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    the lives of so many Algerian officers,
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    they didn't even answer.
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    And that was when I went to the kitchen,
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    got out a paring knife,
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    and took up a position inside the entryway.
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    It was a ridiculous thing to do, really,
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    but I couldn't think of anything else,
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    and so there I stood.
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    When I look back now, I think
    that that was the moment
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    that set me on the path was to writing a book
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    called "Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here:
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    Untold Stories from the Fight
    Against Muslim Fundamentalism."
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    The title comes from a Pakistani play.
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    I think it was actually that moment
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    that sent me on the journey
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    to interview 300 people of Muslim heritage
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    from nearly 30 countries,
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    from Afghanistan to Mali,
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    to find out how they fought fundamentalism
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    peacefully like my father did,
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    and how they coped with the attendant risks.
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    Luckily, back in June of 1993,
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    our unidentified visitor went away,
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    but other families were so much less lucky,
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    and that was the thought
    that motivated my research.
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    In any case, someone would return
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    a few months later and leave a note
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    on Dad's kitchen table,
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    which simply said, "Consider yourself dead."
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    Subsequently, Algeria's
    fundamentalist armed groups
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    would murder as many as 200,000 civilians
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    in what came to be known
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    as the dark decade of the 1990s,
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    including every single one
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    of the women that you see here.
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    In its harsh counterterrorist response,
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    the state resorted to torture
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    and to forced disappearances,
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    and as terrible as all of these events became,
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    the international community largely ignored them.
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    Finally, my father, an Algerian
    peasant's son turned professor,
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    was forced to stop teaching at the university
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    and to flee his apartment,
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    but what I will never forget
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    about Mahfoud Bennoune, my dad,
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    was that like so many other Algerian intellectuals,
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    he refused to leave the country
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    and he continued to publish pointed criticisms,
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    both of the fundamentalists
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    and sometimes of the government they battled.
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    For example, in a November 1994 series
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    in the newspaper El Watan
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    entitled "How Fundamentalism
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    Produced a Terrorism without Precedent,"
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    he denounced what he called
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    the terrorists' radical break with the true Islam
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    as it was lived by our ancestors.
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    These were words that could get you killed.
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    My father's country taught me
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    in that dark decade of the 1990s that
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    the popular struggle against Muslim fundamentalism
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    is one of the most important
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    and overlooked human rights struggles
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    in the world.
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    This remains true today, nearly 20 years later.
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    You see, in every country
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    where you hear about armed jihadis
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    targeting civilians,
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    there are also unarmed people
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    defying those militants that you don't hear about,
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    and those people need our support to succeed.
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    In the West, it's often assumed
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    that Muslims generally condone terrorism.
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    Some on the right think this because they view
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    Muslim culture as inherently violent,
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    and some on the left imagine this
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    because they view Muslim violence,
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    fundamentalist violence,
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    solely as a product of legitimate grievances.
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    But both views are dead wrong.
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    In fact, many people of Muslim heritage
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    around the world are staunch opponents
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    both of fundamentalism and of terrorism,
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    and often for very good reason.
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    You see, they're much more likely to be victims
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    of this violence than its perpetrators.
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    Let me just give you one example.
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    According to a 2009 survey
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    of Arabic language media resources,
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    between 2004 and 2008,
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    no more than 15 percent of al Qaeda's victims
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    were Westerners.
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    That's a terrible toll, but the vast majority
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    were people of Muslim heritage,
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    killed by Muslim fundamentalists.
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    Now I've been talking for the last five minutes
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    about fundamentalism, and you have a right to know
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    exactly what I mean.
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    I cite the definition given by the Algerian sociologist
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    Marieme Helie Lucas,
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    and she says that fundamentalisms,
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    note the "s," so within all of the world's
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    great religious traditions,
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    "fundamentalisms are political
    movements of the extreme right
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    which in a context of globalization
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    manipulate religion in order to achieve
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    their political aims."
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    Sadia Abbas has called this the radical politicization
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    of theology.
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    Now I want to avoid projecting the notion
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    that there's sort of a monolith out there
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    called Muslim fundamentalism
    that is the same everywhere,
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    because these movements
    also have their diversities.
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    Some use and advocate violence.
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    Some do not, though they're often interrelated.
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    They take different forms.
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    Some may be non-governmental organizations,
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    even here in Britain like Cageprisoners.
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    Some may become political parties,
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    like the Muslim Brotherhood,
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    and some may be openly armed groups
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    like the Taliban.
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    But in any case, these are all radical projects.
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    They're not conservative or traditional approaches.
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    They're most often about changing
    people's relationship with Islam
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    rather than preserving it.
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    What I am talking about is the Muslim extreme right,
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    and the fact that its adherents are
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    or purport to be Muslim
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    makes them no less offensive
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    than the extreme right anywhere else.
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    So in my view, if we consider ourselves
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    liberal or left-wing,
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    human rights-loving or feminist,
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    we must oppose these movements
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    and support their grassroots opponents.
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    Now let me be clear
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    that I support an effective struggle
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    against fundamentalism,
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    but also a struggle that must itself
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    respect international law,
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    so nothing I am saying should be taken
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    as a justification for refusals
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    to democratize,
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    and here I send out a shout-out of support
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    to the pro-democracy movement
    in Algeria today, Barakat.
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    Nor should anything I say be taken
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    as a justification of violations of human rights,
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    like the mass death sentences
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    handed out in Egypt earlier this week.
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    But what I am saying
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    is that we must challenge these
    Muslim fundamentalist movements
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    because they threaten human rights
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    across Muslim-majority contexts,
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    and they do this in a range of ways,
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    most obviously with the direct attacks on civilians
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    by the armed groups that carry those out.
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    But that violence is just the tip of the iceberg.
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    These movements as a whole purvey discrimination
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    against religious minorities and sexual minorities.
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    They seek to curtail the freedom of religion
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    of everyone who either practices in a different way
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    or chooses not to practice.
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    And most definingly, they lead an all-out war
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    on the rights of women.
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    Now, faced with these movements
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    in recent years, Western discourse
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    has most often offered
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    two flawed responses.
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    The first that one sometimes finds on the right
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    suggests that most Muslims are fundamentalist
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    or something about Islam is
    inherently fundamentalist,
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    and this is just offensive and wrong,
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    but unfortunately on the left
    one sometimes encounters
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    a discourse that is too politically correct
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    to acknowledge the problem of
    Muslim fundamentalism at all
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    or, even worse, apologizes for it,
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    and this is unacceptable as well.
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    So what I'm seeking is a new way
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    of talking about this all together,
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    which is grounded in the lived experiences
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    and the hope of the people on the front lines.
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    I'm painfully aware that there has been
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    an increase in discrimination
    against Muslims in recent years
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    in countries like the U.K. and the U.S.,
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    and that too is a matter of grave concern,
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    but I firmly believe
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    that telling these counter-stereotypical stories
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    of people of Muslim heritage
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    who have confronted the fundamentalists
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    and been their primary victims
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    is also a great way of countering that discrimination.
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    So now let me introduce you
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    to four people whose stories
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    I had the great honor of telling.
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    Faizan Peerzada and the Rafi Peer Theatre
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    workshop named for his father
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    have for years promoted the performing arts
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    in Pakistan.
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    With the rise of jihadist violence,
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    they began to receive threats
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    to call off their events, which they refused to heed.
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    And so a bomber struck their 2008
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    eighth world performing arts festival in Lahore,
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    producing rain of glass
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    that fell into the venue
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    injuring nine people,
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    and later that same night,
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    the Peerzadas made a very difficult decision:
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    they announced that their festival
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    would continue as planned the next day.
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    As Faizan said at the time,
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    if we bow down to the Islamists,
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    we'll just be sitting in a dark corner.
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    But they didn't know what would happen.
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    Would anyone come?
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    In fact, thousands of people came out the next day
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    to support the performing arts in Lahore,
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    and this simultaneously thrilled
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    and terrified Faizan,
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    and he ran up to a woman
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    who had come in with her two small children,
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    and he said, "You do know there
    was a bomb here yesterday,
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    and you do know there's a threat here today."
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    And she said, "I know that,
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    but I came to your festival
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    with my mother when I was their age,
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    and I still have those images in my mind.
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    We have to be here."
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    With stalwart audiences like this,
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    the Peerzadas were able to conclude
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    their festival on schedule.
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    And then the next year,
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    they lost all of their sponsors
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    due to the security risk.
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    So when I met them in 2010,
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    they were in the middle of the first subsequent event
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    that they were able to have in the same venue,
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    and this was the ninth youth performing arts festival
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    held in Lahore in a year when that city
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    had already experienced 44 terror attacks.
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    This was a time when the Pakistani Taliban
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    had commenced their systematic targeting
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    of girls' schools that would culminate
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    in the attack on Malala Yousafzai.
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    What did the Peerzadas do in that environment?
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    They staged girls' school theater.
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    So I had the privilege of watching "Naang Wal,"
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    which was a musical in the Punjabi language,
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    and the girls of Lahore Grammar School
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    played all the parts.
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    They sang and danced,
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    they played the mice and the water buffalo,
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    and I held my breath, wondering,
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    would we get to the end
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    of this amazing show?
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    And when we did, the whole audience
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    collectively exhaled,
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    and a few people actually wept,
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    and then they filled the auditorium
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    with the peaceful boom of their applause.
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    And I remember thinking in that moment
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    that the bombers made headlines here
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    two years before
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    but this night and these people
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    are as important a story.
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    Maria Bashir is the first and only
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    woman chief prosecutor in Afghanistan.
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    She's been in the post since 2008
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    and actually opened an office to investigate
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    cases of violence against women,
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    which she says is the most important area
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    in her mandate.
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    When I meet her in her office in Herat,
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    she enters surrounded by
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    four large men with four huge guns.
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    In fact, she now has 23 bodyguards,
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    because she has weathered bomb attacks
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    that nearly killed her kids,
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    and it took the leg off of one of her guards.
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    Why does she continue?
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    She says with a smile that that is the question
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    that everyone asks—
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    as she puts it, "Why you risk not living?"
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    And it is simply that for her,
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    a better future for all the Maria Bashirs to come
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    is worth the risk,
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    and she knows that if people like her
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    do not take the risk,
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    there will be no better future.
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    Later on in our interview,
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    Prosecutor Bashir tells me how worried she is
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    about the possible outcome
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    of government negotiations with the Taliban,
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    the people who have been trying to kill her.
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    "If we give them a place in the government,"
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    she asks, "Who will protect women's rights?"
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    And she urges the international community
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    not to forget its promise about women
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    because now they want peace with Taliban.
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    A few weeks after I leave Afghanistan,
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    I see a headline on the Internet.
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    An Afghan prosecutor has been assassinated.
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    I google desperately,
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    and thankfully that day I find out
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    that Maria was not the victim,
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    though sadly, another Afghan prosecutor
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    was gunned down on his way to work.
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    And when I hear headlines like that now,
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    I think that as international troops
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    leave Afghanistan this year and beyond,
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    we must continue to care
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    about what happens to people there,
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    to all of the Maria Bashirs.
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    Sometimes I still hear her voice in my head
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    saying, with no bravado whatsoever,
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    "The situation of the women of Afghanistan
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    will be better someday.
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    We should prepare the ground for this,
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    even if we are killed."
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    There are no words adequate
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    to denounce the al Shabaab terrorists
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    who attacked the Westgate Mall in Nairobi
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    on the same day as a children's cooking competition
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    in September of 2013.
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    They killed 67, including poets and pregnant women.
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    Far away in the American Midwest,
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    I had the good fortune of meeting Somali-Americans
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    who were working to counter
    the efforts of al Shabaab
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    to recruit a small number of young people
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    from their city of Minneapolis
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    to take part in atrocities like Westgate.
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    Abdirizak Bihi's studious
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    17-year-old nephew Burhan Hassan
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    was recruited here in 2008,
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    spirited to Somalia,
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    and then killed when he tried to come home.
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    Since that time, Mr. Bihi,
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    who directs the no-budget Somali
    Education and Advocacy Center,
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    has been vocally denouncing the recruitment
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    and the failures of government
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    and Somali-American institutions
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    like the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center
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    where he believes his nephew was radicalized
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    during a youth program.
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    But he doesn't just criticize the mosque.
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    He also takes on the government
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    for its failure to do more
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    to prevent poverty in his community.
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    Given his own lack of financial resources,
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    Mr. Bihi has had to be creative.
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    To counter the efforts of al Shabaab
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    to sway more disaffected youth,
  • 15:11 - 15:13
    in the wake of the group's 2010 attack
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    on World Cup viewers in Uganda,
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    he organized a Ramadan basketball tournament
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    in Minneapolis in response.
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    Scores of Somali-American kids came out
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    to embrace sport
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    despite the fatwa against it.
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    They played basketball
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    as Burhan Hassan never would again.
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    For his efforts, Mr. Bihi has been ostracized
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    by the leadership of the Abubakar
    As-Saddique Islamic Center,
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    with which he used to have good relations.
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    He told me, "One day we saw the imam on TV
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    calling us infidels and saying,
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    'These families are trying to destroy the mosque.'"
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    This is at complete odds
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    with how Abdirizak Bihi understands
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    what he is trying to do
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    by exposing al Shabaab recruitment,
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    which is to save the religion I love
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    from a small number of extremists.
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    Now I want to tell one last story,
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    that of a 22-year-old law student in Algeria
  • 16:11 - 16:12
    named Amel Zenoune-Zouani
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    who had the same dreams of a legal career
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    that I did back in the '90s.
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    She refused to give up her studies,
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    despite the fact that the fundamentalists
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    battling the Algerian state back then
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    threatened all who continued their education.
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    On January 26, 1997, Amel boarded the bus
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    in Algiers where she was studying
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    to go home and spend a Ramadan evening
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    with her family,
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    and would never finish law school.
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    When the bus reached the outskirts
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    of her hometown, it was stopped
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    at a checkpoint manned by men
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    from the Armed Islamic Group.
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    Carrying her schoolbag,
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    Amel was taken off the bus
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    and killed in the street.
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    The men who cut her throat
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    then told everyone else,
  • 16:56 - 16:58
    "If you go to university,
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    the day will come when we will kill all of you
  • 17:01 - 17:04
    just like this."
  • 17:04 - 17:07
    Amel died at exactly 5:17 p.m.,
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    which we know because when she fell in the street,
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    her watch broke.
  • 17:11 - 17:13
    Her mother showed me the watch
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    with the second hand still aimed
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    optimistically upward
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    towards a 5:18 that would never come.
  • 17:20 - 17:21
    Shortly before her death,
  • 17:21 - 17:23
    Amel had said to her mother of herself
  • 17:23 - 17:24
    and her sisters,
  • 17:24 - 17:28
    "Nothing will happen to us, Inshallah, God willing,
  • 17:28 - 17:30
    but if something happens,
  • 17:30 - 17:33
    you must know that we are dead for knowledge.
  • 17:33 - 17:37
    You and father must keep your heads held high."
  • 17:37 - 17:41
    The loss of such a young woman is unfathomable,
  • 17:41 - 17:43
    and so as I did my research
  • 17:43 - 17:46
    I found myself searching for Amel's hope again
  • 17:46 - 17:49
    and her name even means "hope" in Arabic.
  • 17:49 - 17:52
    I think I found it in two places.
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    The first is in the strength of her family
  • 17:54 - 17:58
    and all the other families to
    continue telling their stories
  • 17:58 - 18:01
    and to go on with their lives despite the terrorism.
  • 18:01 - 18:04
    In fact, Amel's sister Lamia overcame her grief,
  • 18:04 - 18:05
    went to law school,
  • 18:05 - 18:08
    and practices as a lawyer in Algiers today,
  • 18:08 - 18:10
    something which is only possible
  • 18:10 - 18:11
    because the armed fundamentalists
  • 18:11 - 18:14
    were largely defeated in the country.
  • 18:14 - 18:17
    And the second place I found Amel's hope
  • 18:17 - 18:19
    was everywhere that women and men
  • 18:19 - 18:22
    continue to defy the jihadis.
  • 18:22 - 18:25
    We must support all of those in honor of Amel
  • 18:25 - 18:28
    who continue this human rights struggle today,
  • 18:28 - 18:32
    like the Network of Women
    Living Under Muslim Laws.
  • 18:32 - 18:34
    It is not enough, as the victims rights advocate
  • 18:34 - 18:36
    Cherifa Kheddar told me in Algiers,
  • 18:36 - 18:39
    it is not enough just to battle terrorism.
  • 18:39 - 18:42
    We must also challenge fundamentalism,
  • 18:42 - 18:44
    because fundamentalism is the ideology
  • 18:44 - 18:47
    that makes the bed of this terrorism.
  • 18:47 - 18:50
    Why is it that people like her, like all of them
  • 18:50 - 18:52
    are not more well known?
  • 18:52 - 18:55
    Why is it that everyone knows
    who Osama bin Laden was
  • 18:55 - 18:57
    and so few know of all of those
  • 18:57 - 19:01
    standing up to the bin Ladens in their own contexts.
  • 19:01 - 19:03
    We must change that, and so I ask you
  • 19:03 - 19:05
    to please help share these stories
  • 19:05 - 19:07
    through your networks.
  • 19:07 - 19:09
    Look again at Amel Zenoune's watch,
  • 19:09 - 19:11
    forever frozen,
  • 19:11 - 19:13
    and now please look at your own watch
  • 19:13 - 19:16
    and decide this is the moment that you commit
  • 19:16 - 19:18
    to supporting people like Amel.
  • 19:18 - 19:20
    We don't have the right to be silent about them
  • 19:20 - 19:22
    because it is easier
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    or because Western policy is flawed as well,
  • 19:25 - 19:27
    because 5:17 is still coming
  • 19:27 - 19:29
    to too many Amel Zenounes
  • 19:29 - 19:31
    in places like northern Nigeria,
  • 19:31 - 19:33
    where jihadis still kill students.
  • 19:33 - 19:37
    The time to speak up in support of all of those
  • 19:37 - 19:39
    who peacefully challenge fundamentalism
  • 19:39 - 19:42
    and terrorism in their own communities
  • 19:42 - 19:43
    is now.
  • 19:43 - 19:46
    Thank you.
  • 19:46 - 19:48
    (Applause)
Title:
When people of Muslim heritage challenge fundamentalism
Speaker:
Karima Bennoune
Description:

Karima Bennoune shares four powerful stories of real people fighting against fundamentalism in their own communities — refusing to allow the faith they love to become a tool for crime, attacks and murder. These personal stories humanize one of the most overlooked human-rights struggles in the world.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
20:05

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