TV interview at Univ of Massachusetts, Dartmouth

Television interview of Rajiv Malhotra at Univ. of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, concerning his book BEING DIFFERENT.

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welcome to but the Indic Boyce

I'm Balram Singh the director center for
an extended their doom at dartmouth

and this is a collaborative program
would be in the CTB

and send to friend expertise at U-mass I
have

a my colleague the beach and I'll
joining me mid

our guest today newman who travel with
the president of infinity foundation

just published a book on being different

Indian talent to invest in universalism

he just spoke yesterday and in what city
add a comment: reef by

professor Francis Clooney a fire in your
city

to that very the present-day San today
he is kindly agreed to

give us some idea about his book and my
colleague save it and I am going to

begin

asking some questions I thank you so
much that testing

welcome mister hope they were very glad
to have you with us on

so your book is called being different
an Indian challenge to Western

universalism

and it's dealing with this very
controversial and very interesting topic

up western universalism could you define
that for our viewers are just talk a

little bit about what

sure you know Western Union each
organization has its own

idea of the truth of the world of
history

of philosophy religion ideas a law ideas
of morality

and no one has a claim to being the only
one of the best 10 the absolute one

but the West having colonize the world
and having a so much power over

everybody else

and the language of the west English
which we are speaking

having become sort of universal through
the institutional mechanisms controlled

by the Western education in media

in policymaking and through various
other means

the Western ideas have become kind of
global

universal so western universalism

is basically a term which says which
means that

the west's point %uh view on certain
things have become universal now

just like a fish might not recognize
water because so immersed in it

we are so immersed in western US citizen
including indians

that we we we might not even understand
that such a thing exists we might think

it is universities in israel
universalism

so it helps us to step out and why they
argue couple examples the chinese have

created a

a kind of conclusion universalism using
confucian thought

confucian ethics confucian modernity
which says basically that there is

another

another will be mater and use having
science and technology but not

necessarily imitating the West

and so why are the chinese are becoming
very industrial

and very progressive in in a modern
sense they don't think that they have

too westernized in order to do that to
the committee confucian

in there identity and their sense of
history and and values

and yet be modern at the same time a
second example is Islam

Islam why it hasn't achieved the same
opportunity as China

but Islam claim to have an alternative
worldview of everything under the Sun

according to an Islamic philosophy so
this is certainly a Western

universalism contesting that in the
Chinese universities and an islamic

universities and

to the question I was wondering is
whether there is an Indian contribution

to

this discussion on universes apps all
right to your book

is that a formulation what you think
that contribution yes

alright what would you how would you
stay up for in short message

well a the the the first lady at the
foreign to walk you through the logical

the book the first

thing I want to say is it's important to
assert difference

because difference is a principal in the
cosmos and the only way to avoid

differences to make people watching us

and to make cultures homogeneous it
requires either genocide somebody or you

and save somebody

or you could want everybody to your
point of view or those who haven't

already complex can

sought start making someone else
pretending to be someone else there's a

loss of diversity in any such

method so the alternative to this

loss of diversity and homogenisation
into a single universalism

is being different so that's what I love
my book is being different

that's the project at the book is to is
to explain why being different is

important

the alternative to being different is
being digested that's what I love her

next book

out be they guessed it well that sounds
unpleasant what does that and

well being they guessed it is 11
civilization gets digested into another

and loses it on identity and its own
southward sort of like

a Dr gets digested into a tiger and the
deer DNA disappears

there's not one molecule up to your DNA
left the Tiger has to break it down into

smaller and smaller parks

and each molecule of the DNA the top of
the deer has been broken into parts

and these are reassembled into Tigers
DNA so what survives its Tigers DNA and

the

and the Dr disappears now this has
happened to civilizations

the pagans contributed so much into
Christianity the Christmas tree

Easter lot of things came out the big
guns but the bigger themselves disappear

the native americans contribute so much
to Western culture

it's now re characterized as Western

its its and their Western pioneers in
Western history of all these things came

about

without even giving proper credit to the
source

so the digested cultures live in

museums they're not driving they're not
living that they've indicated of what

was good about them

and I don't want Indian civilization to
get digested into the West

knife in that there is a risk that might
happen because a whole lotta

appropriation and then we characterize
issue into the Western metaphor

in western framework is already
happening of our tradition

okay is a huge amount of stuff that has
that's a very interesting

are you when you have that there this
this appropriation digestion is already

taking place

do you think you could get some examples
of that kind sure you see happening

sure well a lot of up I right here in
the Massachusetts area

you have a John Cabot said who has a
trademark to

mindfulness meditation but actually it's
the best and the person I'm a dish in

which he learnt and wrote about in his
early

years eyes a Buddhist this system that
cannot be separated from the overall

philosophy of life

buddhism but separating it from with is
a

secular rising it turning it into modern
medicine getting tech trademarks and

patents and getting all kinds of

and I H Natasha health grads and so on

has decoupled it from its roots

and turn it into western thought another
one is a

for Benson and Harvard who took the
Transcendental Meditation up by Rishi

and turn it into his own spin on it call
the relaxation response trademarked it

and became a thriving success now the
issue with all this is that

while in the short term it seems to
popularize something

without the Indian so-called baggage
which is how the expert rationalize why

they're doing this

but in the long run you do not get the
benefit of what had been left behind

a whole lot of the source tradition is
left behind

to the nice is the tip of the iceberg
and the whole matter physics and

philosophy in cosmology how

how it has to work with the soil of a
blunt

cannot be left behind you cannot remove
the plant washing of the salt

so I'll and replanted somewhere as we
are losing something so the Indian soil

the routes have been logged in

denuded of the Indian soil and therefore
the is in the interest of

cross-fertilization which I agree was a
good idea

a lot has been left behind I don't want
people to think that I'm against

cross-fertilization

that I'm against I the merger
integration of civilizations because I

do believe that but it should be done in
an authentic way

the origin should be preserved do
regional pioneers should be respected

new pioneers who just went to the east
and brought all this

they should not be classified as the
founders

in Massachusetts they have alternate
medicine there is a curriculum about the

basin in the classes

and they have a course a med medical
schools on the history of a holistic

healing

now you would think that holistic
healing is one thing where they would

certainly advising the contribution

but it is all her Benson did this and
and John Cabot's then came up with that

and Stephen numbers came up with that
and

these big people who used to have gurus
who

learned at the feet of the Indian
masters have now abandoned those

and become the founding fathers of this
new size

in the eyes of westerners so the Indian
Ali has been digested into these new

westerners

that is therefore we either being
digested

or we're being different okay that'll be
interesting distinction to make and I

think one that a lot of us don't think
when we're exploring these alternative

so-called alternative traditions now I'm
very curious doctor saying as the

director for the Center for index
studies

you of course interact with a wide
variety of organizations from

you know that these hardcore mindfulness
an alternative therapies to groups that

dupe claimed to have been indigenous
Indian origin

to different kinds of groups and
universities that engage it is

issues and I just in very different ways
do you have any opinions about this

this phenomenon and a test in that you
see occurring how do you navigate

between

is well i i do de la to people and I i'm

my my senses made I have to

to ideas and I would like to know and
you to

to address them when in the course we
need to understand why

is this need print these people to
abandon

and you you alluded to the fact that
nate is perhaps

up and these people have to

look at their best and audience and
maybe there is a and

feeling that you know the the baggage
Indian baggage on Indian

connexin that has some kinda baggage and
number two is why

is there any natural process to have
universalism

eastern on mister I mean is that
universalism is this an

in and inevitable that you have to have
the universalism

so so might make my own experiences that
up with a deal with

nice tunes who are all done most of them
are best time

in my class and I find them to be buried
in me and acne I have found when I teach

my

signs have created last and i'd I even
two yet on the history of yogurt

and it wouldn't let me they want to know
more as to how

and I think this is a very important
point I to address to understand and

address

is that why these people wouldn't think
of the need

today have to dissociate because it
seems like a place from the end

generous and that's not the kid they
really deeply interested again today I

clear more curious to find out what else

it is that not being dot show I have a
theory which is also going to come out

as a book called The you don t

and in the u20 re i trace all these
people

in their early years they were also very
sincere do a basis here they are not

malicious people by the way these are
not

bad guys I'm not saying that bad guys
they

went with religion win in fact rejection
of the west

and really immerse themselves into the
east with

honesty and many of those been made the
kids doing that

the book being different is to answer
that very question

what do they run into which is so
different

that they have to require that come back
from you know there was how much of

India can they keep assimilating

such that the at what point to the
region boundary

where going for other they will lose a
sense of who they are as Westerners

this is something very interesting TS
eliot who was a great poet

a very you know already informed
Sanskrit

read a lot of your body sheds and not as
good as boys were influenced by

into thought suspect literature he

at at one point says that this is so
profound that sounds good

words are so profound that makes Western
philosophers

look like schoolboys who said that and
any them but later he writes

that in order for him to go even deeper
into it he has to forget

who he is in terms of being a question
or any it to just jump into it

forget this be conditioning and then he
says now have to ponder whether I'm

willing to let go and just go all the
way

into this tradition or whether it's
important for me to hang onto my sense

of identity

as a westerner and after contemplation
he's a very honest man he bites a very

honest note

in his diary which is publishing in one
of our books

he says that I've decided in order for
the

for me to remain a westerner I have to
draw the line how far I can go.

so that's a u-turn moment a call that
the YouTube moment

meeting his reach the Proteas the age of
how much he can digest

how much you can accept of the Indian
stuff up

because there is a fear of losing his
sense of where

so the i do. being a westerner and this
lineage

his bloodline up being a westerner and
this grand sense of history

is an obstacle in going beyond a certain
point

so they're trying to remain the
Westerner in them

even those who admit that there's no
more wasted we are global and we are one

but deep inside there is something

that they want to hang onto and they
want to

have that side by side with the new
knowledge to getting from the east

and there is a tension between these two
so at that point the

that's the age which this book being
different discuss

alright so that's a course is very
interesting unique idea in terms of how

we understand cultural studies today

especially in today's University in
academic climate

which i think as you say in your book is
very much focused on sameness and the

similarity

so pool would you suggest should be
concerned about this

this phenomenon the u-turn moment the
Western universalism

and the digestion okay the westerner who
was going into the journey

needs to know what he have to give up at
some stage

in order to really go all the way and
gurus don't want to tell them that

because girls want lots o easy code
words is the disciples without giving

them a corner store you're saying that

you going to yoga at some point in time
the idea that you're gonna and the

practice of yoga are going to collide
with

for instance the nineteen created
Christianity which talks about original

sin and very historical

things so you're then assuming that most
Western civilizational

accomplishment and thought is predicated
on a question

not as urgent judeo-christian and then
the Enlightenment movement starting with

Hagel

continues a western chauvinism
interested in

explosives i do. for like the the
rationalistic

trend at the Enlightenment plus they
have the same problem I did

crew results in the same kind phenomenon
yes that

superior yes other interesting kind of
that kind of approach

so if that's the you know can add that
the rest of the Western movement what

would you say is approaching it to

wanted as the antagonist from the Indian
side and being different

well the the Indians have bought into
this western US liza

the coup that started translating sounds
good words into english

even when that distort for example
they've started replacing at man with

Sol

even though so there's not reincarnate
and so does not exist in any move their

plants and out plan does

so even though the didn't mean enough so
it is not the same as up a new kind of

distort the meaning about me when you're
basing its or

it's popular to do that it's easy to do
that it's going to be easy way out

I anything that they do do that in order
to

because I don't think that left the
group had been digest have because get

digested

like that a lot of pride a guess it is
because the girl was compromised the

picture brought by people compromise

so it it dilutes the tradition into
digestible iti

so it takes something which may not be
digesting well which has its own

legitimacy which demands being respected
as itself

and it brings it down like the enzymes
in the in the stomach

to a reduced form so it's easy to digest
and that's good for the

but is it was the city he can make a
good business out of that

so I think the Indians are into the
gurus I do this and as far as Indian

intellectuals are concerned Sonu sized

in there in their education I all the
universities in India

that teaching western philosophy in the
philosophy department as Western

anthropology Martin's being applied

now by Indians the West in modern
history and sociology being applied

so in the humanities the Western
universities and has sort of become

entrenched and I call that meant
organizations so it is a

it to the is I would say the resistors
does not exist

and I have tried to create that
resistance by writing this book

okay I see so then %uh the book is
written and the groundwork is laid

for this revolution now how do you
envision that taking place but say that

we

we see a copy of your book in the hands
a most university students what kind of

changes do you anticipate

so it's I just came from what month long
tour of India

and I had 15 events okay so University
of Delhi has decided to

adopt this book for the MA class all
starting to grow as a person

so I expect IIT Kanpur IIT Macross

really liked it amid the University City
or four academic institutions really

like it

and I'm invited back to sever more
academic institution including but not

in the University IIT Kharagpur

in my next trip which is in January 21
segment of people that I'm

able to get into already he within one
month is the Academy

certain parts of the UK the second group
are burros

I had for guru movements invite

me and teach their students were not
going to become so I these editorials in

that

in the next few years and these are not
sort of tribute people they're very

big-name people I am I was I was at the
event when should I spend many hours

giving a seminar

on how they should keep certain things
not translated

how you should be worse to gays and
understand the West on your own terms

and we have heard such good words poorer
picture which means

my view of the other and design or
technique ok debating among different

schools within India

so we should go put a picture of the
west is what I have told them

and we should have comparative religion
comparative philosophy

different ideas of his tee talk to our
next generation of

spiritual leaders so the fact that these
girls are taking this matter seriously

in writing me back to teach more

is a good site I think that as India
rises in material terms and in business

terms

there is also renewed self-confidence to
discover who we really are

and throw away the colonial model that
we've been talk so the third group

that like this are people in the
corporate world

so I was hosted by a few corporate group
in group of industrialists businessmen

who want to know there when we are on
the world stage which Indian businesses

are

when we go on the world stage and we
negotiate with americans with Chinese

with Japanese been

French russians each of them have a
sense of who they are in terms of the

distinctiveness the Russian is

not want we mixed as an englishman he's
very clear on what it means to be

russian

the Chinese vase short about his sense
of what Chinese means

its history its ideology Japanese no
matter how progressive and how

modernize they are they're still very
Japanese in their culture

so what you are we they want to know are
Indians want to know who are we

when there are being themselves who are
we

and the fact that they had his need that
they have this desire to understand that

they think that the question is a valid
question

and inviting people like me is very
encouraging so I would say that the

the market for these this type of
thinking starts with the academy and the

gurus

and the the corporate professionals
alrighty really and it sounds like you

really tapped into the like us to buy

time and and kind of a sea change in the
way that we're looking at these new

things

but for the majority of us who are you
know in classrooms and schools and just

anywhere else where Western universalism
is still very pleasant what kind of

advice would you have for how to push
back against it

in our own lives and what could seem
like a more minor way

so first get my book and read away okay
we do that and you go to www

being different book dot com okay want
to learn be interviewing different book

the word book as important as being
different book dot com because being

definitely taken so

being different book dot com and there
you see excerpts you see a lot of videos

you can actually spend 10 hours as
watching videos of his discussions

debates

like last night's discussion with the
Harvard professor

will be able to breed up in a few days I
had to

a discussion with mark tully famous BBC
correspondent in India

and he talked as it Anglican member the
Anglican Church will be opening a very

probably

and I talked as a Hindu and we had a 1/2
hour conversation on being different

so a a lot of information you can get by
watching these videos and

the base material posted their and the
book is available you can click and buy

the book

I think that's a first step because the
book is very I i believe that these are

very

regional our the box new ideas what's
different about us

and it's not political so I'm not asking
people to joy to have

anything to do with any political
movement or political organization this

is more philosophy

so it's a philosophical view of how
we're different and in our lifestyle how

we're different

rather than political mobilization

okay that's very interesting so on now
that's okay since we've gotten some

information about the book and about

your philosophy and I'm sure our viewers
would like to see a little bit more

about your background and I personally
am very curious what kind experiences

is there anything in particular that you
had that I inspired you to write

being different or to rate I know you're
the other two other books

breaking India and then you're also the
inspiration for invading the sacred

which is that we're both very
influential works

in the same vein to what inspired you to
to go into this field into

pick up the subject well I left bank
corporate

world and my business life and I was 44
and I decided that is to bring more of

the same I should become

I should discovered my flight been a
bigger sense

and I hadn't been formally trained in
the humanities I wanted learned about

myself and my spiritual tradition and
history

astoria foundation with my own money
called infinity foundation

and first we did this experiment a
funding a whole lot of academic people

thinking that we get the right people
and then they do this work

but I found that I was more imaginative
than them

able to think out of the box and besides
the lack of imagination is also a lack

of courage

and arrested academics tend to be very
much into one box 1

discipline one set of theories and this
kato sort of 10 moving out of it

a few visionaries I like that but many
of them already boxed in

so I found after 10 years of
experimenting with many kind of economic

people many conferences

I decided that I should start doing this
myself and so I started reading walking

tour a success for

started giving talks in PowerPoint
presentation which were very well

received

and in the last thing for your story
books so I am actually self-taught

and have developed these ideas by a lot
of argumentation with people from

various ideological point of view

were in the Academy and don't since I
don't have to pursue a career in order

to please anybody

I don't have to spend all our time in
administrative work

so I can get up at five in the morning
in reading research and spend

12-13 hours a day seven days a week
doing this kind of research

which is a beautiful luxury because
people in the Academy would not have

that kind of time and freedom to do so
much research

so I've been doing this for seventeen
years now and these books are the

product of my own discoveries in my own
findings

okay and I'm I think I I just wanna know

if you succeed wouldn't be there isn't

would be have a in in addition to

Western universalism islamic an organism
Chinese in North minimum

lebanese announcement and we will have
one morning or something not

we will have our contribution at the
table

as an equal I where we have a a
tradition of looking at things a certain

way

our radio medicine how radio humans
physiology

mind consciousness cost most animal
rights

environmentalism teamwork you know

human rights all of these things
leadership our martyrs

of the way the world is the way humanity
is

would be then put on the table data on
par with everybody else

and considered as something worth
looking into

and looking into critically rejecting
what doesn't work and accepting what

does work

and the ID I don't think that our
tradition is frozen

this is a very important point I don't
think that it's a frozen thing that you

can use mine it like in a mine

the amount to go wrong to iron ores fix
its not like a tree which is going on

growing

so it's not organic its fixed so you can
minded and syndicated

but a civilization is great our
civilization continues to evolve

continues to produce new fruit

if you keep nurturing the roads the the
the trees of Indian tradition is

producing new protein you harvest all
the time

so my idea is to revive the roots of our
civilization

so that for the modern era is producing
fruit which are relevant for today

today's health crisis today is a you
know how preventive medicine today is

a like instead of people on prozac in on
valium in all these men to help things

what does our tradition offer by way of
Southern I'm practices

to create mental stability and harmony
so

we have solutions we're not the only
ones we have solutions

and we certainly also have our problems
that we should deal with but

all this should be put on the table on
par for every civilization nothing

specific for us it should be the islamic
people in the

Native American people the chinese the
westernization or be

in ball in a kind of a cross
fertilization and I double civilization

so that's what I would like to see

Thursday interesting that you should ask
that question doctor saying because

I know a lot of scholars have said that
this dialogue across cultural

civilizational paradigm should be
advanced

but India an index level is Asian has
historically been one of the most recent

to join this

and one which is still there
underrepresented in the dialogue of

civilizations as I'm sure you would
agree

do you have any insight as to why yes be
the case yes

because when I started this project
15-17 years ago

India was represented or misrepresented
by those Indians were the

hi heavily colonized the postcode miss
connors they're very far left by the

people

who hated the classical Indian
civilization who who considered is to be

really didn't buy the entire mother
might not to be trusted as religion it's

one other

not trusted with so all of Marx's
critique of religion

just simply applied the Dharma
traditions and so they had which is a

quest detrimental because most indian
civilizations

rooted in these time a condition
corrected correct so they're they're the

colonial

hatred for the civilization also got
into these guys

and why they were both colonias in the
sense they were here they were

criticizing colonialism for its material
in physical

interference and devastation but in
terms of philosophical ideas they were

not

learn it in size bed or the Sanskrit
texts did not understand the

the how much additions Jenny they were
eliminated from that they were very and

use a scanner people

so there were all over the United States
and Europe

in various departments of South Asian
Studies speaking for us representing us

some love most in Austin they're very
prominent people

there's some people in Harvard for
example who are Indian origin and every

prominent people

so these people to get the ambassador's
of Indian civilization

and therefore the problem got worse and
in in this ten people who think that the

problem that India has is that there is
too much baggage award civilization

which we should get rid of

and while I agree that there are
problems actually you think trying to

jettison that identity which yes us
different yes and they are very sick and

in

if I talk in favor of Indian
civilization that think I was going on

to some

political party that is that something
good for political party

and they accuse you and the brain you
but there is a decoupling of politics

you can leave the politics behind

and you can talk about %uh civilizations
knowledge system

so I when I talk about the time I i'm
not talking about it as a political

movement today

but I'm talking about it as a classical
knowledge system like this great thought

nobody thinks that your pup member of a
political party if you think of kato

are some pretty some we are a stalker
now would be a political party we might

all consider signing up right

so I i feel that there's a dharmic
civilizational

worldview which ought to be studied as a
knowledge system

not get into any politics okay see you
want to distance that

that yes from politics that sounds like
you believe that politics was actually

part of what led to this problem

politics that made it worse because
politics is tainted and brought a lot of

branding

so it's become very difficult for a guy
like me

to talk about being the qualities of my
civilization

without somebody being very suspicious
that maybe he speaks for BJP and maybe

unofficially behind directly may be
helping them so this is a very

irritating to constantly say well you
know you've got to understand

if not its system of a certain country
like and any the ask me why do you want

to call it Indian

Indian civilization if they if these are
you there were some things why

I said because there is a Greek
civilization there is a Chinese

civilization

and the place where it originated is not
the place where it's it

effects are limited its effects are all
over the world

and they should be all over the world
but you give good name

based on where the civilization
originated there is definitely a French

culture they teach it in your
universities is it

is Italian cuisine why do what Italian
cuisine why did you just call it

spaghetti

so the point is that things are named
after the their origin

and and why and I did worse it back to
the gentleman's and yayy D having very

complex about

Indian civilization in a positive sense
and the back window into that

okay so it it sounds then you feel that
we need a renaissance at Indian scholars

who does not

were not feeling the need to distance
themselves from the the roots and

psychological historical with this
tradition so

here were coming to kind of an
interesting interesting

conundrum in index studies which I know
that we've spoken about a lot at the

Center for index study is then that is

how does this indicate Voice get created
especially considering the huge

diversity

within the in the traditions and the
lack of say

you know i'd a chain a profession my god
nice said to the Lord

things like that and not just the third
you are not a monolithic yet so I

obviously I agree I adjourned that issue
very white people my

Mon morn made who is the Indian waz

what is the Indian point if you're right
and with greater

this and when there's a guy identity
yeah and when there's so many views so I

the way I answered it

is not that don't know Murray the normal
way is you get all the Indian schools

together in time to build some harmony
and that hasn't worked

I never tried that okay to criticize me
for why did you go and

have accountable under my eyes I said
because it didn't work for

does the viewers I work Friday you could
be straight and my method is a very

different

my method is that if I want sought to
figure out what's common among the time

I traditions

I will ignore that question I will and
said ask how are we different from

others

and maybe the way that different from
others is common amongst us

OKC would establish commonalities by
distinct my sisters

that is called the poor affectionate at
which means that study the other

so by studying the other I found that
the core DNA of christianity is the

nineteen creed

and I found that the nice thing create
is incompatible with carmine

reincarnation

okay so then I found that all the Indian
traditions

share kar my reincarnation so where we
are common is how we're different from

him in there we have a tentative

the in deploys establish so that's one
point like that I've discovered

four different major areas of
commonality within the new conditions

and difference with respect to the west
ok and are they worried it could you

briefly detail

when one is the air the Western is a
history cedric

in other words the the prophetic history
is very important

and the all the Indian traditions you
can and

raise your level of consciousness
through various traditions various

techniques which

people may disagree with them but they
all claim that some techniques

and the other a historical so the the
recovery of the highest

level of consciousness available to each
and every person what we've got such a

turn on

that is very different from the History
Center's out with so this is an

experiential or a phenomenological

what I cause a embodied no in body Mr
deny such as

as opposed to most opposed to historic
just resent resistors second one is

integral unity we're synthetic unity so
the

the unifying things in the Indian
tradition very very strong

and that's why it has to be contrasted
with say the the synthetic nature of

reality the synthetic nature of

of knowledge dysentery nature of the
individual in the western part

so even westerners the the model the
body is a synthetic community of parts

whereas the holistic ideas very
different this integral unity

okay and where the why the Indian
approach to Don's

is integrity unified with philosophy and
music is

integrity unified philosophy western
dance Western philosophy but not into

each other

science kit contains the unity of all
philosophy did

call the philosophy and all the of
Performing Arts alternate

so you'll find that the equivalent of
Humanities in the Indian system

are integrally unified and not just into
into disagree and

put together in that way that's the
second one the third one is

the added you to what chaos a how
Indians had a chaos

or what the westerners call chaos is
very different then what Westerners

have however had gas and that's the
party by the most exciting chapters in

this book in this chapter for

comfort with chaos comfort with
uncertainty and be greedy doubt

I was interviewed by ABC news for the
sunday program at the couple made up

and the guy asked me the question how do
I go and explain to the Americans

all this chaos so I said well you know
the chaos in your mind

because it its cognitive overload that
you are facing

there is so much complexity be on your
models you want cannot put on this

complex in

so because a martyr crashes you calling
it chaos

but if you go around asking the various
individuals you know they are all doing

that thing they don't think that any
chaos to give

be happy doing going about doing what
they're doing you watching them a bit

binding chaos

you found it so interesting that what
was supposed to be a five-minute

interview went on for three hours

you're not a part of their documentary
was on my discussion

because I the worst big is and put the
there cause of this chaos

feeling not on the object that they're
looking at but on the subject that was

doing this looking

and I find this a come forward with a
multiplicity

many threads going on multi tasking it
an Indian

getting get meeting is talking to be
she's talking to D

is placed into a and talking to have and
the West misleading they're very

confused by what was going on why what
is happening

so in my business what I found that when
I would have these kinda meetings

and the meetings over West never come to
the union that are printed out

printed out but the they can do many
things and figure out what's relevant to

make it cut paste pic pic figured out

and the West they would come to me and
ask you know what happened I'm confused

what was going on when the site but this
guy said this man this guy's at that

so there is a certain discomfort

with what they would consider chaos they
want things to be linear

we want things to be super protest third
one and the fourth one is the non

prostate ability of such good words

opening that where certain there's a
reason for it because month right

vibration and you cannot translated

you can I replace but months or with
another because eat my vision has a

distinct effect like each chemist

chemistry Kate chemical would have a
different effect I don't trust

the sound and the substance at the
Montreux yes just as important as the

meeting as a meanie

and so I've given examples of 20 or 25
nonprofit it was in this book in Chapter

five

I and i intend to take that Army Corps
body mind that

so these are some building blocks in
solid pillars of what is

different and non digestible into the
west the only way to assimilate

this is to distorted and make a
digestible

and I'm trying to resist the digestion
by keeping that authentic stuff

okay love I think that that it sounds
like you're off to a wonderful start

and I hope that as much as weekend in
our viewers can we can help you in that

mission to prevented a disability

and of course you said we can buy the
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so people can join the discussion and he
made to me and I'd be delighted to

respond to your questions

okay well thank you so much for taking
the time to to thank you for having me a

drink is always to doctor saying

or posting as it's been a pleasure
discussing this book with you

thank you so much thank you think is I
do you think is the re

and this was another and is enough

but that ending waz soon we will be back
again

with that and and this month assess and
about to

in the boys thank you very much