The neuroscience of social conflict | Tim Phillips | TEDxBoston
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0:08 - 0:10As we look around the world today,
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0:10 - 0:13we see horrendous violence
in the Middle East, -
0:13 - 0:17we see Russia invading Ukraine
and threatening its neighbors, -
0:17 - 0:22and we see a growing desire
by many to identify by set -
0:22 - 0:27ethnicity and ideology
over any shared sense of nationhood. -
0:27 - 0:30We wonder: is this just
the worst instincts of human nature -
0:30 - 0:33that we repeat
generation after generation? -
0:33 - 0:36Or can we change our behavior?
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0:36 - 0:39Can we move away
from these destructive mindsets -
0:39 - 0:44to live more peacefully
with our communities and ourselves? -
0:44 - 0:46I've spent the last 25 years
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0:46 - 0:49working on conflict
and reconciliation around the world, -
0:49 - 0:54and I want to tell you about
two incredible individuals who did change. -
0:54 - 0:58Roelf Meyer was the Minister of Defense
during apartheid in South Africa. -
0:58 - 1:01David Ervine was a loyalist
or a protestant paramilitary -
1:01 - 1:03in Northern Ireland.
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1:03 - 1:07These two men experienced
a profound transformation -
1:07 - 1:12that not only liberated them
from destructive mindsets and behaviors -
1:12 - 1:13but through their transformation
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1:13 - 1:17help liberate millions
from violence and repression. -
1:17 - 1:21And through their story we'll see
that profound change is indeed possible. -
1:22 - 1:27I met Roelf in 1994
when I invited him to Belfast -
1:27 - 1:30to help share his experience
and help end apartheid -
1:30 - 1:33with leaders there
who were struggling with change. -
1:33 - 1:37Roelf was the senior politician
in South Africa. -
1:37 - 1:40Everybody thought
he would be the next president. -
1:40 - 1:42He actually grew up thinking
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1:42 - 1:46that apartheid was not only good
for whites but for blacks as well. -
1:46 - 1:51He built his entire career
in the service of the apartheid state. -
1:51 - 1:54But along the way,
something happened to him. -
1:54 - 1:56He came to realize
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1:56 - 2:01that the system he served and defended
was corrupt and immoral and had to end. -
2:02 - 2:07David Ervine spent a decade in prison;
many people called him a terrorist. -
2:07 - 2:10I later came to call him a friend.
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2:10 - 2:14He joined the UBF paramilitaries
when, as a young teenager, -
2:14 - 2:18another teenager of the same age
and same last name was killed -
2:18 - 2:20by an air-raid bomb.
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2:20 - 2:23David felt that everything
that he and his community stood for -
2:23 - 2:25was under a mortal threat.
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2:25 - 2:28He felt that the best defense
was a good offense. -
2:28 - 2:32But like Roelf,
something happened to David. -
2:32 - 2:34He came to realize
that the grievance and fear -
2:34 - 2:38that justified the use of violence
against his neighbors -
2:38 - 2:41had become a vicious trap.
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2:41 - 2:44He had gone from killing
to live to living to kill -
2:44 - 2:47and had to find a way
to break out of that. -
2:49 - 2:52How did David and Roelf get to that point?
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2:52 - 2:58When Roelf was Minister of Defense,
he interviewed a young ANC combatant, -
2:58 - 3:01and asked him:
"Why did you join the gorilla movement?" -
3:01 - 3:05The young man told him
that when he was a young child, -
3:05 - 3:08his family worked for an Africano farmer.
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3:08 - 3:12One day, while sitting
in the back of the farmer's pickup truck -
3:12 - 3:15with the farmer's dog,
it started to rain heavily. -
3:15 - 3:21The farmer got out of the car,
went into the back, took the dog, -
3:21 - 3:25put it in the cabin, and left
the young child in the downpour. -
3:27 - 3:32This unbelievable disregard
for an another human being, a young child, -
3:32 - 3:37so shocked Roelf that it began to question
the very system he served and defended. -
3:38 - 3:39David Ervine told me
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3:39 - 3:44that he and his other loyalist prisoners
learned Irish in prison -
3:44 - 3:48so that they could understand
what the IRA prisoners were saying. -
3:48 - 3:52In time, he came to understand
that he had more in common -
3:52 - 3:57with these working class Catholics
than many in his own community. -
3:57 - 4:02He felt that their shared experience
of exclusion was a far deeper bond -
4:02 - 4:04that what divided them
as Catholics and Protestants. -
4:06 - 4:08David and Roelf shared a journey
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4:08 - 4:13in which they realized they were stuck
in mindsets that had to end. -
4:13 - 4:17Roelf went on to convince F. W. de Klerk
to release Nelson Mandela from prison, -
4:17 - 4:21and he led the negotiations
to end apartheid. -
4:22 - 4:25David Ervine became
a principal negotiator, -
4:25 - 4:27and as former senator,
George Mitchell said: -
4:27 - 4:32"Helped bring the loyalist paramilitaries
out of the Dark Ages into peace." -
4:33 - 4:35Is their story unusual?
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4:36 - 4:41Over these 25 years, I've come to believe
that while every country will have -
4:41 - 4:46its own unique experience
with conflict and repression, -
4:46 - 4:50people respond
to those experiences as humans. -
4:50 - 4:53It's the same around the world.
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4:53 - 4:55I know from my own experience
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4:55 - 4:58what fear, rejection,
and humiliation feels like. -
4:59 - 5:03These emotions know
no geographic boundaries. -
5:03 - 5:07Being bullied by your schoolmates is
biologically, and fundamentally, -
5:07 - 5:11no different than being humiliated
in Belfast or Johannesburg. -
5:12 - 5:17In fact, neuroscience is now showing us
that we are deeply emotional beings -
5:17 - 5:22that we need to feel safe and acknowledged
to engage fully in the world. -
5:22 - 5:26Our brain processes
are deeply unconscious; -
5:26 - 5:29they blend emotion and cognition
in the service of survival. -
5:29 - 5:34Our brains are plastic; they can change,
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5:34 - 5:38and we can overcome
deep-seated fear, bias, and trauma -
5:38 - 5:43to live more peacefully within ourselves
and within our own communities. -
5:43 - 5:45This is a universal experience.
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5:46 - 5:52Some recent findings in neuroscience
help illustrate this very powerfully. -
5:52 - 5:58And I believe that we can begin
to take what we're finding, -
5:58 - 6:00match it with experience
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6:00 - 6:03and begin to address
the challenges we face in the world. -
6:04 - 6:07A number of years ago,
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6:07 - 6:12some social scientists discovered
the concept of sacred values. -
6:12 - 6:15Those values that help shape
our core identity; -
6:15 - 6:18they are really important to who we are.
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6:18 - 6:22For some it could be
a deep religious belief, -
6:22 - 6:26the protection of one's child,
or a deep love of country. -
6:28 - 6:32Neuroimaging is now showing us
that we process sacred values -
6:32 - 6:37in different regions of the brain
than cost-benefit calculations; -
6:37 - 6:40that we respond with moral outrage,
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6:40 - 6:45show aggression, and hold on
more deeply to those sacred values -
6:45 - 6:47when we feel
that we're under threat. -
6:49 - 6:51To millions of Americans,
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6:52 - 6:56the Second Amendment
is a deeply felt sacred value; -
6:56 - 7:01it's core to their identity;
it helps shape who they are in the world. -
7:01 - 7:04It's not just about the right to be armed;
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7:04 - 7:08it's tied to notions of freedom, heritage,
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7:08 - 7:11and the ability to protect
what's really important to them. -
7:11 - 7:15Let's look what happened after Sandy Hook.
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7:15 - 7:19Rather than seeing an increase
in gun control across the country, -
7:19 - 7:22we've been seeing
a loosening of gun legislation. -
7:22 - 7:27And many believers in the Second Amendment
responded with outrage. -
7:27 - 7:32They became aggressive, and they held
onto their sacred beliefs more deeply, -
7:32 - 7:38and with what we know about sacred values,
this shouldn't be a surprise. -
7:38 - 7:40It was a core threat to their identity.
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7:41 - 7:44We are more polarized
on this issue than ever. -
7:45 - 7:47And the question is: can we apply
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7:47 - 7:50what neuroscience is telling us
about sacred values to this issue? -
7:51 - 7:56What research shows us is
that sacred values have to be recognized. -
7:56 - 7:58We have to let somebody know
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7:58 - 8:01that we acknowledge
how important this is to them. -
8:01 - 8:04We don't have to share
those sacred values, -
8:04 - 8:06but we do have to acknowledge
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8:06 - 8:10that they exist and are important
to that individual. -
8:10 - 8:15Only then can we get to common ground;
only then can that individual not feel -
8:15 - 8:18that what's sacred to them
is under threat, -
8:18 - 8:23and we can begin to have a conversation
about one of these most difficult issues. -
8:27 - 8:30When we look at the world around us
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8:30 - 8:32and we wonder if we can change,
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8:33 - 8:36we can look at other insights
that neuroscience is providing us. -
8:37 - 8:43When we look at the rise of ISIS
in Iraq and Syria, we wonder -
8:43 - 8:45how did this small group
of fanatics rise so quickly -
8:45 - 8:51and take over so many large segments
of this country of Iraq, and in Syria? -
8:51 - 8:54They could not have gotten
there on their own; -
8:54 - 8:56they could not have done that
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8:56 - 9:02unless they tapped into the humiliation,
explotion, and exclusion -
9:02 - 9:04that many Sunnis felt
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9:04 - 9:07under the Shia-dominated government
of Prime Minister al-Maliki. -
9:09 - 9:11I know from my own experience
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9:11 - 9:15that exclusion is
the main driver of conflict. -
9:17 - 9:19When we feel excluded,
we don't feel safe. -
9:19 - 9:23When we feel excluded,
we feel that we can't really engage -
9:23 - 9:26to do what's normal to us,
for ourselves or for our communities. -
9:27 - 9:31Now we have
a biological basis for exclusion. -
9:31 - 9:33Some recent neuroimaging shows
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9:33 - 9:36that we experience
social rejection as physical pain, -
9:37 - 9:41that that part of our brain
that registers trauma -
9:41 - 9:45can not fully differentiate
between emotional and physical trauma. -
9:46 - 9:48We share that with other mammals.
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9:50 - 9:55Think of that animal that's pulled
from the safety of the herd by a predator. -
9:55 - 10:01That's a direct threat to their survival,
and we experience that the same way. -
10:01 - 10:05Our capacity to think rationally
is depended on feeling safe. -
10:08 - 10:11So, when we think
of these challenges in the world, -
10:13 - 10:14it's important to remember
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10:14 - 10:18that we have to recognize
what drives us as behavior. -
10:19 - 10:24When I think of David Ervine,
he said to me: -
10:24 - 10:27"Terrorists have to come from somewhere,
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10:28 - 10:32and exclusion and injustice
is a powerful place to come from." -
10:34 - 10:39David went on to say
that he felt that his capacity -
10:39 - 10:43to protect what is sacred
to him and his community -
10:43 - 10:47- his religion and being British -
could only be fully realized -
10:47 - 10:51in a country that recognized
what was sacred to those around him. -
10:52 - 10:54Roelf Meyer came to see
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10:54 - 10:58that a system built
on exclusion would never last. -
11:00 - 11:02What this tells us is
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11:02 - 11:07that we have to build relationships
and governments of inclusion. -
11:07 - 11:10Without that, we will drive
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11:10 - 11:13more and more of our communities
into violence and division. -
11:15 - 11:17As we look around the world,
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11:17 - 11:20and we see deepening conflict,
increasing division, -
11:20 - 11:22and we make disappear,
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11:22 - 11:25I think it's important to keep in mind
that people can change; -
11:27 - 11:29that people can fundamentally change,
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11:29 - 11:32and to see someone like David,
and to see someone like Roelf -
11:32 - 11:34is empowering and liberating.
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11:35 - 11:41We now know that we can rewire our brains,
that change is possible, -
11:41 - 11:45and that by combing what we know
of these insights, and with practice, -
11:45 - 11:49we can begin to reframe
the challenges we face in the world. -
11:49 - 11:51And I believe, to begin to live
in a more peaceful world. -
11:51 - 11:53Thank you very much.
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11:53 - 11:55(Applause)
- Title:
- The neuroscience of social conflict | Tim Phillips | TEDxBoston
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How can the latest breakthroughs in brain science stop violence?
Tim Phillips is a pioneer in the field of conflict resolution and reconciliation and co-founder of Beyond Conflict, a global non-profit initiative founded in 1992. Using the unique approach of shared experience, Beyond Conflict helped catalyze the field of transitional justice and is internationally recognized for contributions to peace and reconciliation in several countries worldwide. - Video Language:
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