1 00:00:00,637 --> 00:00:02,092 I'm going to start with a little story. 2 00:00:02,092 --> 00:00:05,204 So, I grew up in this neighborhood. When I was 15 years old, 3 00:00:05,204 --> 00:00:09,755 I went from being what I think was a strapping young athlete, 4 00:00:09,755 --> 00:00:13,716 over four months, slowly wasting away until 5 00:00:13,716 --> 00:00:15,604 I was basically a famine victim 6 00:00:15,604 --> 00:00:17,628 with an unquenchable thirst. 7 00:00:17,628 --> 00:00:21,237 I had basically digested away my body. 8 00:00:21,237 --> 00:00:25,531 And this all came to a head when I was on a backpacking trip, 9 00:00:25,531 --> 00:00:27,576 my first one ever actually, on Old Rag Mountain 10 00:00:27,576 --> 00:00:31,560 in West Virginia, and was putting my face into puddles 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,816 of water and drinking like a dog. 12 00:00:33,816 --> 00:00:38,328 That night, I was taken into the emergency room 13 00:00:38,328 --> 00:00:42,209 and diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic in full-blown ketoacidosis. 14 00:00:42,209 --> 00:00:48,144 And I recovered, thanks to the miracles of modern medicine, 15 00:00:48,144 --> 00:00:53,600 insulin and other things, and gained all my weight back and more. 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:59,111 And something festered inside me after this happened. 17 00:00:59,111 --> 00:01:02,624 What I thought about was, what caused the diabetes? 18 00:01:02,624 --> 00:01:04,477 You see, diabetes is an autoimmune disease 19 00:01:04,477 --> 00:01:07,852 where your body fights itself, and at the time people thought 20 00:01:07,852 --> 00:01:10,893 that somehow maybe exposure to a pathogen 21 00:01:10,893 --> 00:01:15,365 had triggered my immune system to fight the pathogen 22 00:01:15,365 --> 00:01:17,423 and then kill the cells that make insulin. 23 00:01:17,423 --> 00:01:19,733 And this is what I thought for a long period of time, 24 00:01:19,733 --> 00:01:23,781 and that's in fact what medicine and people have focused on quite a bit, 25 00:01:23,781 --> 00:01:26,703 the microbes that do bad things. 26 00:01:26,703 --> 00:01:29,771 And that's where I need my assistant here now. 27 00:01:29,771 --> 00:01:32,209 You may recognize her. 28 00:01:32,209 --> 00:01:37,889 So, I went yesterday, I apologize, I skipped a few of the talks, 29 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:40,130 and I went over to the National Academy of Sciences building, 30 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:45,577 and they sell toys, giant microbes. 31 00:01:45,577 --> 00:01:48,962 And here we go! 32 00:01:48,962 --> 00:01:53,717 So you have caught flesh-eating disease if you caught that one. 33 00:01:53,717 --> 00:01:58,145 I gotta get back out my baseball ability here. 34 00:01:58,145 --> 00:02:01,852 (Laughter) 35 00:02:01,852 --> 00:02:08,233 So, unfortunately or not surprisingly, most of the microbes 36 00:02:08,233 --> 00:02:11,576 they sell at the National Academy building are pathogens. 37 00:02:11,576 --> 00:02:14,545 Everybody focuses on the things that kill us, 38 00:02:14,545 --> 00:02:16,192 and that's what I was focusing on. 39 00:02:16,192 --> 00:02:20,753 And it turns out that we are covered in a cloud of microbes, 40 00:02:20,753 --> 00:02:25,273 and those microbes actually do us good much of the time, 41 00:02:25,273 --> 00:02:26,393 rather than killing us. 42 00:02:26,393 --> 00:02:29,584 And so, we've known about this for some period of time. 43 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:33,161 People have used microscopes to look at the microbes that cover us, 44 00:02:33,161 --> 00:02:34,953 I know you're not paying attention to me, but ... 45 00:02:34,953 --> 00:02:37,051 (Laughter) 46 00:02:37,051 --> 00:02:38,993 The microbes that cover us. 47 00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:42,153 And if you look at them in the microscope, 48 00:02:42,153 --> 00:02:45,557 you can see that we actually have 10 times as many cells 49 00:02:45,557 --> 00:02:49,025 of microbes on us as we have human cells. 50 00:02:49,025 --> 00:02:53,776 There's more mass in the microbes than the mass of our brain. 51 00:02:53,776 --> 00:02:58,097 We are literally a teeming ecosystem of microorganisms. 52 00:02:58,097 --> 00:03:02,697 And unfortunately, if you want to learn about the microorganisms, 53 00:03:02,697 --> 00:03:04,977 just looking at them in a microscope is not sufficient. 54 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:07,557 And so we just heard about the DNA sequencing. 55 00:03:07,557 --> 00:03:10,085 It turns out that one of the best ways to look at microbes 56 00:03:10,085 --> 00:03:12,621 and to understand them is to look at their DNA. 57 00:03:12,621 --> 00:03:14,763 And that's what I've been doing for 20 years, 58 00:03:14,763 --> 00:03:18,645 using DNA sequencing, collecting samples from various places, 59 00:03:18,645 --> 00:03:21,549 including the human body, reading the DNA sequence 60 00:03:21,549 --> 00:03:24,169 and then using that DNA sequencing to tell us about 61 00:03:24,169 --> 00:03:26,335 the microbes that are in a particular place. 62 00:03:26,335 --> 00:03:29,198 And what's amazing, when you use this technology, 63 00:03:29,198 --> 00:03:32,358 for example, looking at humans, we're not just covered 64 00:03:32,358 --> 00:03:33,494 in a sea of microbes. 65 00:03:33,494 --> 00:03:38,605 There are thousands upon thousands of different kinds of microbes on us. 66 00:03:38,605 --> 00:03:43,958 We have millions of genes of microbes in our human 67 00:03:43,958 --> 00:03:45,605 microbiome covering us. 68 00:03:45,605 --> 00:03:49,110 And so this microbial diversity differs between people, 69 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:52,246 and what people have been thinking about in the last 10, 70 00:03:52,246 --> 00:03:55,366 maybe 15 years is, maybe these microbes, 71 00:03:55,366 --> 00:03:57,414 this microbial cloud in and on us, 72 00:03:57,414 --> 00:04:01,294 and the variation between us, may be responsible 73 00:04:01,294 --> 00:04:04,864 for some of the health and illness differences between us. 74 00:04:04,864 --> 00:04:07,987 And that comes back to the diabetes story I was telling you. 75 00:04:07,987 --> 00:04:11,393 It turns out that people now think that one of the triggers 76 00:04:11,393 --> 00:04:13,774 for type 1 diabetes is not fighting a pathogen, 77 00:04:13,774 --> 00:04:18,165 but is in fact trying to -- miscommunicating with the microbes 78 00:04:18,165 --> 00:04:19,662 that live in and on you. 79 00:04:19,662 --> 00:04:22,366 And somehow maybe the microbial community that's 80 00:04:22,366 --> 00:04:26,399 in and on me got off, and then this triggered some sort 81 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,638 of immune response and led to me killing the cells 82 00:04:28,638 --> 00:04:30,859 that make insulin in my body. 83 00:04:30,859 --> 00:04:33,955 And so what I want to tell you about for a few minutes is, 84 00:04:33,955 --> 00:04:37,747 what people have learned using DNA sequencing techniques 85 00:04:37,747 --> 00:04:41,406 in particular, to study the microbial cloud 86 00:04:41,406 --> 00:04:42,980 that lives in and on us. 87 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:45,444 And I want to tell you a story about a personal project. 88 00:04:45,444 --> 00:04:48,238 My first personal experience with studying the microbes 89 00:04:48,238 --> 00:04:52,388 on the human body actually came from a talk that I gave, 90 00:04:52,388 --> 00:04:54,188 right around the corner from here at Georgetown. 91 00:04:54,188 --> 00:04:57,205 I gave a talk, and a family friend who happened to be 92 00:04:57,205 --> 00:04:59,748 the Dean of Georgetown Medical School was at the talk, 93 00:04:59,748 --> 00:05:02,238 and came up to me afterwards saying, they were doing 94 00:05:02,238 --> 00:05:05,588 a study of ileal transplants in people. 95 00:05:05,588 --> 00:05:09,564 And they wanted to look at the microbes after the transplants. 96 00:05:09,564 --> 00:05:12,628 And so I started a collaboration with this person, 97 00:05:12,628 --> 00:05:15,901 Michael Zasloff and Thomas Fishbein, to look at the microbes 98 00:05:15,901 --> 00:05:20,374 that colonized these ilea after they were transplanted into a recipient. 99 00:05:20,374 --> 00:05:23,516 And I can tell you all the details about the microbial study 100 00:05:23,516 --> 00:05:25,766 that we did there, but the reason I want to tell you this story 101 00:05:25,766 --> 00:05:28,990 is something really striking that they did at the beginning 102 00:05:28,990 --> 00:05:30,013 of this project. 103 00:05:30,013 --> 00:05:34,378 They take the donor ileum, which is filled with microbes from a donor 104 00:05:34,378 --> 00:05:36,661 and they have a recipient who might have a problem 105 00:05:36,661 --> 00:05:39,286 with their microbial community, say Crohn's disease, 106 00:05:39,286 --> 00:05:42,846 and they sterilized the donor ileum. 107 00:05:42,846 --> 00:05:47,141 Cleaned out all the microbes, and then put it in the recipient. 108 00:05:47,141 --> 00:05:49,805 They did this because this was common practice 109 00:05:49,805 --> 00:05:52,934 in medicine, even though it was obvious 110 00:05:52,934 --> 00:05:55,072 that this was not a good idea. 111 00:05:55,072 --> 00:05:58,077 And fortunately, in the course of this project, 112 00:05:58,077 --> 00:06:00,640 the transplant surgeons and the other people 113 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,061 decided, forget common practice. We have to switch. 114 00:06:05,061 --> 00:06:09,206 So they actually switched to leaving some of the microbial 115 00:06:09,206 --> 00:06:13,206 community in the ileum. They leave the microbes with the donor, 116 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:16,782 and theoretically that might help the people who are 117 00:06:16,782 --> 00:06:18,871 receiving this ileal transplant. 118 00:06:18,871 --> 00:06:22,173 And so, people -- this is a study that I did now. 119 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:24,478 In the last few years there's been a great expansion 120 00:06:24,478 --> 00:06:28,656 in using DNA technology to study the microbes in and on people. 121 00:06:28,656 --> 00:06:30,464 There's something called the Human Microbiome Project 122 00:06:30,464 --> 00:06:32,320 that's going on in the United States, 123 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,854 and MetaHIT going on in Europe, and a lot of other projects. 124 00:06:34,854 --> 00:06:38,043 And when people have done a variety of studies, 125 00:06:38,043 --> 00:06:41,675 they have learned things such as, when a baby is 126 00:06:41,675 --> 00:06:44,659 born, during vaginal delivery you get colonized by the 127 00:06:44,659 --> 00:06:45,851 microbes from your mother. 128 00:06:45,851 --> 00:06:48,907 There are risk factors associated with cesarean sections, 129 00:06:48,907 --> 00:06:52,938 some of those risk factors may be due to mis-colonization 130 00:06:52,938 --> 00:06:55,330 when you carve a baby out of its mother 131 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:58,155 rather than being delivered through the birth canal. 132 00:06:58,155 --> 00:07:01,604 And a variety of other studies have shown that the 133 00:07:01,604 --> 00:07:03,411 microbial community that lives in and on us 134 00:07:03,411 --> 00:07:05,674 helps in development of the immune system, 135 00:07:05,674 --> 00:07:10,619 helps in fighting off pathogens, helps in our metabolism, 136 00:07:10,619 --> 00:07:13,699 and determining our metabolic rate, probably 137 00:07:13,699 --> 00:07:16,874 determines our odor, and may even shape our behavior 138 00:07:16,874 --> 00:07:18,810 in a variety of ways. 139 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:21,866 And so, these studies have documented or suggested 140 00:07:21,866 --> 00:07:26,153 out of a variety of important functions for the microbial community, 141 00:07:26,153 --> 00:07:30,690 this cloud, the non-pathogens that live in and on us. 142 00:07:30,690 --> 00:07:34,274 And one area that I think is very interesting, 143 00:07:34,274 --> 00:07:36,940 which many of you may have now that we've thrown 144 00:07:36,940 --> 00:07:40,870 microbes into the crowd, is something that I would call "germophobia." 145 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:43,829 So people are really into cleanliness, right? 146 00:07:43,829 --> 00:07:45,808 We have antibiotics in our kitchen counters, 147 00:07:45,808 --> 00:07:48,904 people are washing every part of them all of the time, 148 00:07:48,904 --> 00:07:53,930 we pump antibiotics into our food, into our communities, 149 00:07:53,930 --> 00:07:56,371 we take antibiotics excessively. 150 00:07:56,371 --> 00:08:00,210 And killing pathogens is a good thing if you're sick, 151 00:08:00,210 --> 00:08:03,474 but we should understand that when we pump chemicals 152 00:08:03,474 --> 00:08:06,371 and antibiotics into our world, that we're also killing 153 00:08:06,371 --> 00:08:08,666 the cloud of microbes that live in and on us. 154 00:08:08,666 --> 00:08:11,666 And excessive use of antibiotics, in particular in children, 155 00:08:11,666 --> 00:08:14,895 has been shown to be associated with, again, risk factors 156 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:19,151 for obesity, for autoimmune diseases, for a variety 157 00:08:19,151 --> 00:08:21,055 of problems that are probably due to disruption 158 00:08:21,055 --> 00:08:24,159 of the microbial community. 159 00:08:24,159 --> 00:08:27,511 So the microbial community can go wrong 160 00:08:27,511 --> 00:08:29,223 whether we want it to or not, 161 00:08:29,223 --> 00:08:31,471 or we can kill it with antibiotics, 162 00:08:31,471 --> 00:08:33,567 but what can we do to restore it? 163 00:08:33,567 --> 00:08:36,679 I'm sure many people here have heard about probiotics. 164 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,687 Probiotics are one thing that you can try and do to restore 165 00:08:39,687 --> 00:08:42,111 the microbial community that is in and on you. 166 00:08:42,111 --> 00:08:45,583 And they definitely have been shown to be effective in some cases. 167 00:08:45,583 --> 00:08:48,680 There's a project going on at UC Davis where people are using 168 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,575 probiotics to try and treat, prevent, 169 00:08:51,575 --> 00:08:54,087 necrotizing enterocolitis in premature infants. 170 00:08:54,087 --> 00:08:57,495 Premature infants have real problems with their microbial community. 171 00:08:57,495 --> 00:09:00,015 And it may be that probiotics can help prevent 172 00:09:00,015 --> 00:09:03,151 the development of this horrible necrotizing enterocolitis 173 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:04,816 in these premature infants. 174 00:09:04,816 --> 00:09:08,807 But probiotics are sort of a very, very simple solution. 175 00:09:08,807 --> 00:09:12,162 Most of the pills that you can take or the yogurts that you can eat 176 00:09:12,162 --> 00:09:16,949 have one or two species in them, maybe five species in them, 177 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:20,615 and the human community is thousands upon thousands of species. 178 00:09:20,615 --> 00:09:24,543 So what can we do to restore our microbial community 179 00:09:24,543 --> 00:09:27,742 when we have thousands and thousands of species on us? 180 00:09:27,742 --> 00:09:30,448 Well, one thing that animals seem to do is, 181 00:09:30,448 --> 00:09:34,462 they eat poo -- coprophagia. 182 00:09:34,462 --> 00:09:39,071 And it turns out that many veterinarians, 183 00:09:39,071 --> 00:09:41,080 old school veterinarians in particular, 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,796 have been doing something called "poo tea," 185 00:09:43,796 --> 00:09:49,601 not booty, but poo tea, to treat colic and other 186 00:09:49,601 --> 00:09:53,224 ailments in horses and cows and things like that, 187 00:09:53,224 --> 00:09:57,172 where you make tea from the poo from a healthy 188 00:09:57,172 --> 00:10:00,321 individual animal and you feed it to a sick animal. 189 00:10:00,321 --> 00:10:04,761 Although, unless you have a fistulated cow with a big hole in its side, 190 00:10:04,761 --> 00:10:07,300 and you can put your hand into its rumen, 191 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:10,708 it's hard to imagine that the delivery of microbes 192 00:10:10,708 --> 00:10:13,637 directly into the mouth and through the entire 193 00:10:13,637 --> 00:10:17,285 top of the digestive tract is the best delivery system, 194 00:10:17,285 --> 00:10:21,405 so you may have heard in people they are now doing 195 00:10:21,405 --> 00:10:26,055 fecal transplants, where rather than delivering 196 00:10:26,055 --> 00:10:28,487 a couple of probiotic microbes through the mouth, 197 00:10:28,487 --> 00:10:31,940 they are delivering a community of probiotics, 198 00:10:31,940 --> 00:10:34,420 a community of microbes from a healthy donor, 199 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:36,557 through the other end. 200 00:10:36,557 --> 00:10:39,887 And this has turned out to be very effective in fighting 201 00:10:39,887 --> 00:10:42,253 certain intransigent infectious diseases 202 00:10:42,253 --> 00:10:46,092 like Clostridium difficile infections that can stay 203 00:10:46,092 --> 00:10:48,189 with people for years and years and years. 204 00:10:48,189 --> 00:10:53,052 Transplants of the feces, of the microbes from the feces, 205 00:10:53,052 --> 00:10:55,917 from a healthy donor has actually been shown to cure 206 00:10:55,917 --> 00:10:58,778 systemic C. dif infections in some people. 207 00:10:58,778 --> 00:11:04,620 Now what these transplants, these fecal transplants, or 208 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:09,079 the poo tea suggest to me, and many other people 209 00:11:09,079 --> 00:11:10,823 have come up with this same idea, is that 210 00:11:10,823 --> 00:11:14,711 the microbial community in and on us, it's an organ. 211 00:11:14,711 --> 00:11:19,718 We should view it as a functioning organ, part of ourselves. 212 00:11:19,718 --> 00:11:23,709 We should treat it carefully and with respect, 213 00:11:23,709 --> 00:11:27,689 and we do not want to mess with it, say by C-sections 214 00:11:27,689 --> 00:11:32,597 or by antibiotics or excessive cleanliness, 215 00:11:32,597 --> 00:11:35,814 without some real good justification. 216 00:11:35,814 --> 00:11:39,454 And what the DNA sequencing technologies are allowing people to do now 217 00:11:39,454 --> 00:11:46,406 is do detailed studies of, say, 100 patients who have Crohn's disease 218 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,941 and 100 people who don't have Crohn's disease. 219 00:11:48,941 --> 00:11:52,774 Or 100 people who took antibiotics when they were little, 220 00:11:52,774 --> 00:11:55,198 and 100 people who did not take antibiotics. 221 00:11:55,198 --> 00:11:59,278 And we can now start to compare the community of microbes 222 00:11:59,278 --> 00:12:02,581 and their genes and see if there are differences. 223 00:12:02,581 --> 00:12:05,983 And eventually we may be able to understand if they're not 224 00:12:05,983 --> 00:12:08,607 just correlative differences, but causative. 225 00:12:08,607 --> 00:12:12,077 Studies in model systems like mouse and other animals 226 00:12:12,077 --> 00:12:15,286 are also helping do this, but people are now using 227 00:12:15,286 --> 00:12:17,590 these technologies because they've gotten very cheap, 228 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:21,504 to study the microbes in and on a variety of people. 229 00:12:21,504 --> 00:12:26,094 So, in wrapping up, what I want to tell you about is, 230 00:12:26,094 --> 00:12:29,301 I didn't tell you a part of the story of coming down with diabetes. 231 00:12:29,301 --> 00:12:32,065 It turns out that my father was an M.D., 232 00:12:32,065 --> 00:12:36,537 actually studied hormones. I told him many times 233 00:12:36,537 --> 00:12:41,327 that I was tired, thirsty, not feeling very good. 234 00:12:41,327 --> 00:12:44,206 And he shrugged it off, I think he either thought 235 00:12:44,206 --> 00:12:47,485 I was just complaining a lot, or it was the typical 236 00:12:47,485 --> 00:12:50,104 M.D. "nothing can be wrong with my children." 237 00:12:50,104 --> 00:12:53,325 We even went to the International Society of Endocrinology 238 00:12:53,325 --> 00:12:55,455 meeting as family in Quebec. 239 00:12:55,455 --> 00:13:00,949 And I was getting up every five minutes to pee, 240 00:13:00,949 --> 00:13:03,384 and drinking everybody's water at the table, 241 00:13:03,384 --> 00:13:06,318 and I think they all thought I was a druggie. 242 00:13:06,318 --> 00:13:08,038 (Laughter) 243 00:13:08,038 --> 00:13:10,014 But the reason I'm telling you this is that 244 00:13:10,014 --> 00:13:13,014 the medical community, my father as an example, 245 00:13:13,014 --> 00:13:16,581 sometimes doesn't see what's right in front of their eyes. 246 00:13:16,581 --> 00:13:20,566 The microbial cloud, it is right in front of us. 247 00:13:20,566 --> 00:13:23,366 We can't see it most of the time. It's invisible. 248 00:13:23,366 --> 00:13:24,837 They're microbes. They're tiny. 249 00:13:24,837 --> 00:13:27,789 But we can see them through their DNA, 250 00:13:27,789 --> 00:13:31,038 we can see them through the effects that they have on people. 251 00:13:31,038 --> 00:13:32,656 And what we need now 252 00:13:32,656 --> 00:13:36,325 is to start thinking about this microbial community in the context 253 00:13:36,325 --> 00:13:38,838 of everything in human medicine. 254 00:13:38,838 --> 00:13:41,905 It doesn't mean that it affects every part of us, 255 00:13:41,905 --> 00:13:43,304 but it might. 256 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:47,229 What we need is a full field guide to the microbes 257 00:13:47,229 --> 00:13:50,622 that live in and on people, so that we can understand 258 00:13:50,622 --> 00:13:53,894 what they're doing to our lives. 259 00:13:53,894 --> 00:13:56,965 We are them. They are us. 260 00:13:56,965 --> 00:13:58,293 Thank you. 261 00:13:58,293 --> 00:14:00,278 (Applause)