WEBVTT 00:00:00.963 --> 00:00:02.892 This is a play called "Sell/Buy/Date." 00:00:02.892 --> 00:00:05.963 It's my first since "Bridge and Tunnel," which I did on Broadway, 00:00:05.963 --> 00:00:09.333 and this one, I -- thank you -- 00:00:09.333 --> 00:00:13.995 I've excerpted it just for you, so here we go. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:17.763 --> 00:00:20.901 Right. Class, let's be absolutely certain 00:00:20.901 --> 00:00:25.618 all electronic devices are switched off before we begin. 00:00:26.268 --> 00:00:31.375 So class, hopefully you'll recognize what you just heard me say as the -- ? 00:00:31.985 --> 00:00:35.199 Very good, the cellular phone announcement. 00:00:35.199 --> 00:00:39.378 Right? This was also known as a mobile phone. 00:00:39.378 --> 00:00:41.607 So you'll remember, people of that era 00:00:41.607 --> 00:00:46.483 would have had an external electronic device, right, 00:00:46.483 --> 00:00:48.434 something like this, 00:00:48.434 --> 00:00:51.370 and they all would have carried one of these around with them, 00:00:51.370 --> 00:00:54.749 and amongst their biggest fears was the sheer mortification 00:00:54.749 --> 00:00:58.139 that one of these might ring at some inopportune moment. 00:00:58.139 --> 00:01:00.540 Right? So a bit of trivia about that era for you. 00:01:00.540 --> 00:01:03.100 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:05.851 So the format of today's class is 00:01:05.851 --> 00:01:09.793 I will be presenting multiple BERT modules today 00:01:09.793 --> 00:01:12.163 from that period in history, right, 00:01:12.163 --> 00:01:14.973 so starting circa 2016. 00:01:14.973 --> 00:01:19.320 And remember, this was the very first year of the BERT program. 00:01:19.320 --> 00:01:21.690 So we've got quite a few of these to get through. 00:01:21.690 --> 00:01:25.697 Bear in mind, I will be living into various different bodies, 00:01:25.697 --> 00:01:26.875 different ages, 00:01:27.815 --> 00:01:31.403 also what were then called races, or ethnic groups, 00:01:31.403 --> 00:01:33.493 as you'll remember from Unit 1. 00:01:33.493 --> 00:01:36.813 And -- (Laughter) -- and along the gender continuum, 00:01:36.813 --> 00:01:39.321 I will be living into males as well. 00:01:39.321 --> 00:01:40.991 It was quite binary at that time. 00:01:40.991 --> 00:01:42.550 (Laughter) 00:01:42.550 --> 00:01:45.867 Also, don't forget, we are reading the book module 00:01:45.867 --> 00:01:47.842 for next week's focus on gender. 00:01:47.842 --> 00:01:51.885 Now, I know some of you have requested the book in pill form. 00:01:51.885 --> 00:01:56.201 I know people still believe ingesting it is better for retention, 00:01:56.201 --> 00:02:01.700 but since we are trying to experience what our forebears did, right, 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:07.207 let's please just consider doing the actual ocular reading, okay? 00:02:07.207 --> 00:02:12.222 And also, how many people have your emotional shunts engaged? 00:02:12.222 --> 00:02:14.916 Right. Please toggle them off. Okay? 00:02:14.916 --> 00:02:19.861 I know it's challenging, but I want you to be able to feel the entire 00:02:19.861 --> 00:02:21.719 natural emo range, all right? 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.528 It is essential to this part of the syllabus. 00:02:25.888 --> 00:02:27.126 Yes, Macy? 00:02:27.756 --> 00:02:31.627 All right. I understand. If you're unwilling to -- 00:02:31.627 --> 00:02:33.996 All right, well, we can discuss that after class. 00:02:33.996 --> 00:02:36.429 All right, we will discuss your concerns. 00:02:36.429 --> 00:02:40.549 Just relax. Nobody's died and gone to composting. 00:02:40.549 --> 00:02:43.893 Okay. After class. Okay? After class. 00:02:45.133 --> 00:02:47.144 Let's just get started, okay. 00:02:47.144 --> 00:02:53.552 This first subject identified as a middle-class homemaker. 00:02:53.552 --> 00:02:55.851 Remember, these early modules 00:02:55.851 --> 00:02:59.984 in these people's full identities were protected, 00:02:59.984 --> 00:03:03.200 and this allowed them to speak more freely on our topic, 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:07.133 which for many of them was taboo. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:08.110 --> 00:03:11.732 Okay honey, now, I'm ready when you are. 00:03:11.732 --> 00:03:14.960 No, sweetheart, I said, I'm ready when you are. 00:03:16.060 --> 00:03:17.351 I'm freezing. 00:03:18.061 --> 00:03:21.206 It's like a meat locker in here in this recording studio. 00:03:21.206 --> 00:03:23.806 I should have brought a shmata. 00:03:23.806 --> 00:03:27.405 All this fancy technology but they can't afford heat. 00:03:28.375 --> 00:03:31.678 What is he saying? I can't hear you! 00:03:31.678 --> 00:03:34.557 I can't hear you through the glass, honey! 00:03:34.557 --> 00:03:37.320 There you are in my ear. 00:03:37.320 --> 00:03:39.920 Oh, you can hear me? 00:03:39.920 --> 00:03:41.778 The whole time. 00:03:41.778 --> 00:03:44.864 Oh, yes, I am a little chilly. 00:03:45.980 --> 00:03:51.553 Yes, oh the cold is for the machines, the new technology. Okay. 00:03:51.553 --> 00:03:57.304 Yes, now remind me again, you're recording not only my voice but my feelings 00:03:57.304 --> 00:03:59.604 and my memories? Right. 00:04:00.414 --> 00:04:02.433 Yes, BERT, yes, I read about it. 00:04:02.433 --> 00:04:05.484 Bio-Empathetic Resonant Technology. 00:04:05.484 --> 00:04:10.641 Right, right, so people will be able to feel my experience 00:04:10.641 --> 00:04:12.543 and my memory? Okay. 00:04:12.543 --> 00:04:13.958 No, right, I'm ready. 00:04:13.958 --> 00:04:18.055 I just thought you were going to give me a test to see how my memory's doing. 00:04:18.055 --> 00:04:21.272 I was going to tell you you're too late, it's already bad news. 00:04:22.847 --> 00:04:25.648 No, no, go ahead, honey. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:25.648 --> 00:04:27.984 Oh, that's the first question? 00:04:27.984 --> 00:04:31.258 What do I think of prostitution? 00:04:31.258 --> 00:04:34.599 Are you soliciting me, young man? 00:04:35.483 --> 00:04:39.955 I've heard of May-December romances, but what are you, about 20 years old? 00:04:41.102 --> 00:04:42.844 Eighteen? Eighteen years. 00:04:42.844 --> 00:04:48.463 I think I have candies in my purse older than 18 years old. 00:04:48.463 --> 00:04:49.941 (Laughter) 00:04:52.281 --> 00:04:56.520 I'm teasing you, sweetheart. No, I'm comfortable with any question. 00:04:57.940 --> 00:05:02.371 Sure. So about the prostitution -- oh, sex worker, sex worker. 00:05:03.951 --> 00:05:07.920 No, just in my day, they called it prostitution, not sex work. 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.666 Oh, because it includes pornography also? 00:05:10.666 --> 00:05:12.477 Okay. 00:05:12.477 --> 00:05:14.659 No, well, I guess when I was a girl, 00:05:14.659 --> 00:05:17.167 we didn't really have a name for that either. 00:05:17.167 --> 00:05:22.902 We would have said dirty magazines, I suppose, or dirty movies. 00:05:22.902 --> 00:05:25.370 Well, it's not like what you have with the Internet. 00:05:26.130 --> 00:05:29.636 No, well, I don't mind sharing. 00:05:29.636 --> 00:05:34.628 My late husband and I, we were a very romantic couple. 00:05:35.898 --> 00:05:38.714 Lots of tenderness, you understand. 00:05:39.794 --> 00:05:43.164 Well, as you get older, you know, at one point I thought my husband 00:05:43.164 --> 00:05:47.317 might be helped by using some of the pills men can take, 00:05:49.317 --> 00:05:52.413 but he wasn't interested in those, 00:05:52.413 --> 00:05:58.474 so I thought, what about maybe watching an adult movie on the Internet? 00:05:58.474 --> 00:06:01.908 Just for inspiration, you understand. 00:06:01.908 --> 00:06:06.906 Well, at the time, neither of us were very good on the computer, 00:06:06.906 --> 00:06:09.619 so usually, if we needed help with the Internet, 00:06:09.619 --> 00:06:14.597 we would just call our children or our grandchildren, 00:06:14.597 --> 00:06:18.163 but obviously, in this case, that wasn't an option, 00:06:18.163 --> 00:06:23.588 so I thought, I'll have a look myself, just to see. 00:06:23.588 --> 00:06:26.127 How difficult could it be? 00:06:26.127 --> 00:06:29.760 You search for certain key words and you look -- 00:06:29.760 --> 00:06:31.955 Oh wow is right, young man. 00:06:31.955 --> 00:06:34.672 You can't imagine what I saw. 00:06:34.672 --> 00:06:39.618 Well, first of all, I was just trying to find, you know, couples, 00:06:39.618 --> 00:06:41.963 normal couples making love, 00:06:43.303 --> 00:06:47.791 but this, so many people together at one time. 00:06:47.791 --> 00:06:51.599 You couldn't tell which part belonged to which body. 00:06:51.599 --> 00:06:55.778 How they even got the cameras to capture some of this, I couldn't tell you. 00:06:55.778 --> 00:07:00.608 But the one thing they didn't capture was making love. 00:07:02.658 --> 00:07:07.388 There was lots of making of something, 00:07:07.388 --> 00:07:11.497 but they took the love part right out of it, you know, the fun. 00:07:11.497 --> 00:07:15.421 It was all very extreme, you know? 00:07:15.421 --> 00:07:17.929 Like you would say, with the extreme sports. 00:07:19.149 --> 00:07:22.778 Lots of endurance, 00:07:22.778 --> 00:07:25.800 but never tenderness. 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:32.116 So anyway, needless to say, that was $19.95 I'll never get back again, 00:07:32.116 --> 00:07:36.945 but it only showed up on the credit card as "entertainment services," 00:07:36.945 --> 00:07:39.732 so my husband was never the wiser, 00:07:39.732 --> 00:07:42.083 and after all of that, 00:07:43.133 --> 00:07:45.572 well, you could say it turned out 00:07:45.572 --> 00:07:49.412 he didn't need the extra inspiration after all. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:51.152 --> 00:07:54.734 Right, so next subject is a young woman -- (Applause) -- 00:07:55.924 --> 00:07:58.957 Next subject, class, is a young woman called Bella, 00:07:58.957 --> 00:08:02.904 a university student interviewed in 2016 00:08:02.904 --> 00:08:06.828 during what was called an Intro to Feminist Porn class 00:08:06.828 --> 00:08:11.317 as part of her major in sex work at a college in the Bay Area. 00:08:11.317 --> 00:08:14.672 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:14.672 --> 00:08:17.439 Yeah, I just want to, like, get a recording of, like, 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.808 you guys recording me, 00:08:19.808 --> 00:08:21.897 like a meta recording, or whatever. 00:08:22.887 --> 00:08:26.611 It's just like this whole experience is just, like, really amazing, 00:08:26.611 --> 00:08:30.131 and I'd like to capture that for, like, Instagram and my Tumblr. 00:08:30.131 --> 00:08:33.126 So, like, hi guys, it's me, Bella, 00:08:33.126 --> 00:08:36.633 and I am, like, being interviewed right now 00:08:37.723 --> 00:08:43.505 for this, like, really amazing Bio-Empathetic Resonance Technology, 00:08:43.505 --> 00:08:49.780 which is, like, basically where they are, like, recording, as you can see 00:08:49.780 --> 00:08:51.702 from these, whatever, like, electrodes, 00:08:51.702 --> 00:08:57.040 the formation of, like, neuropeptides in my hippocampus, or whatever. 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:00.920 They will later be able to reconstitute these 00:09:00.920 --> 00:09:06.280 as, like, my own actual memory, like actual experiences, 00:09:07.540 --> 00:09:11.645 so other people can, like, actually feel what I'm feeling right now. 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.572 Okay. Okay. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:14.572 --> 00:09:20.140 So, like, hello, BERT person of the future who is experiencing me. 00:09:20.750 --> 00:09:24.557 This is what it feels like to be, like, a college freshman, 00:09:24.557 --> 00:09:29.781 and also the, like, headache that you are experiencing through me 00:09:29.781 --> 00:09:36.200 is the, like, residual effect of the Jell-O shots which I had last night 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.115 at the bi-weekly feminist pole dancing party 00:09:39.115 --> 00:09:42.157 which I cohost on Wednesdays. 00:09:42.157 --> 00:09:45.779 It's called "Don't Get All Pole-emical" -- (Laughter) -- 00:09:45.779 --> 00:09:49.122 and it's in Beekman Hall, 00:09:50.072 --> 00:09:52.250 and, what else, like, 00:09:52.250 --> 00:09:56.297 non-Jell-O shots are also available for vegans, 00:09:56.297 --> 00:10:04.540 and, oh, okay, yeah, totally, yeah, we should also focus on your questions also. NOTE Paragraph 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:10.182 So for your record, I am, like, a sex work studies major 00:10:10.182 --> 00:10:12.457 but minoring in social media 00:10:12.457 --> 00:10:15.151 with a concentration on notable YouTube memes. 00:10:15.151 --> 00:10:17.289 (Laughter) 00:10:18.239 --> 00:10:21.490 Yes, well, of course, like, I consider myself to be, like, 00:10:21.490 --> 00:10:23.579 obviously, like, a feminist. 00:10:23.579 --> 00:10:28.571 I was named for Bella Abzug, who was, like, a famous, like, 00:10:28.571 --> 00:10:30.986 feminist from history, 00:10:30.986 --> 00:10:37.255 and, like, also I feel that it is, like, important to, like, represent women 00:10:37.255 --> 00:10:40.945 who are, like, sex-positive feminists. 00:10:42.224 --> 00:10:44.941 What is sex-negative? 00:10:44.941 --> 00:10:49.399 Well, like, I guess I would ask, like, what do you think 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.417 sex-negative is? (Laughter) 00:10:52.417 --> 00:10:57.314 Yeah, because, like, the terms that we use are, like, so important, because, like, 00:10:57.314 --> 00:11:04.352 we call it sex work because it helps people understand that, like, it's work, 00:11:04.352 --> 00:11:09.228 and, like, you know, just like there are, like, healthcare providers 00:11:09.228 --> 00:11:11.712 and, like, insurance providers, 00:11:11.712 --> 00:11:17.401 like, we think of these workers as, like, sex care providers. 00:11:18.511 --> 00:11:22.184 Yeah, but like, I don't think of myself like, providing direct 00:11:22.184 --> 00:11:26.433 sex care services per se as, like, being a requirement 00:11:26.433 --> 00:11:28.894 for me to be, like, an advocate. 00:11:28.894 --> 00:11:32.563 Like, I support other women's right to choose it voluntarily, like, 00:11:32.563 --> 00:11:34.676 if they enjoy it. 00:11:34.676 --> 00:11:37.509 Yeah, but, like, I see myself going forward 00:11:37.509 --> 00:11:41.247 as more likely, like, protecting sex workers', 00:11:41.247 --> 00:11:44.288 like, legal freedoms and rights. 00:11:44.288 --> 00:11:48.213 Yeah, so, like, basically, I'm planning on becoming a lawyer. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:50.133 --> 00:11:51.835 Right, class. (Laughter) (Applause) 00:11:51.835 --> 00:11:55.921 So these next two modules are also circa 2016. 00:11:55.921 --> 00:11:59.915 One subject is an Irishwoman with a particularly noteworthy 00:11:59.915 --> 00:12:02.847 relationship to this issue, 00:12:02.847 --> 00:12:06.509 but first will be a West Indian woman, 00:12:06.509 --> 00:12:08.831 a self-described escort 00:12:08.831 --> 00:12:14.241 who was recorded at a sex workers' rights rally and parade. 00:12:14.241 --> 00:12:18.792 She was interviewed whilst marching in full carnival headdress 00:12:18.792 --> 00:12:21.460 and very little else. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:24.295 --> 00:12:26.379 All right, you want me to start talking now. 00:12:26.379 --> 00:12:29.509 Yeah, I told you, you can put those wires anywhere you want to 00:12:29.509 --> 00:12:32.536 as long as it don't get in the way. 00:12:33.164 --> 00:12:38.069 Yeah, no, but, tell me again what the name of -- BERT? BERT. 00:12:38.069 --> 00:12:41.108 Yeah, I was telling you, you know, I think I have in all my time 00:12:41.108 --> 00:12:44.797 I have had at least one client with that name, so this won't be the first time 00:12:44.797 --> 00:12:47.396 I had BERT all over me. 00:12:51.905 --> 00:12:53.218 Oh, I'm sorry, 00:12:53.218 --> 00:12:56.670 but you got to get into the spirit of it if you're going to interview me. 00:12:56.670 --> 00:12:58.536 All right? You can say it. 00:12:58.536 --> 00:13:00.934 No justice, no piece! No justice, no piece! 00:13:00.934 --> 00:13:06.878 But you see the sign? You get it? P-I-E-C-E. No justice, no piece of us. 00:13:06.878 --> 00:13:08.790 You understand? NOTE Paragraph 00:13:08.790 --> 00:13:11.244 Right, so that's the part where I was telling you 00:13:11.244 --> 00:13:15.609 is that when I first came to this country, I worked every job I could find. 00:13:15.609 --> 00:13:20.299 I was a nanny; I was a home care attendant for all these different old people, 00:13:20.299 --> 00:13:24.422 and then I said, child, if I have to touch another white man's backside, 00:13:24.422 --> 00:13:27.381 I might as well get paid a lot more money for it than this, 00:13:27.381 --> 00:13:29.285 you understand? 00:13:29.285 --> 00:13:32.350 Pshh, you know how hard it is being a domestic worker? 00:13:32.980 --> 00:13:34.729 Some of these men, they're heavy. 00:13:34.729 --> 00:13:37.528 You have to pick them up and flip them over. 00:13:37.528 --> 00:13:41.986 Now, I let them pick me up and flip me over, you understand? 00:13:41.986 --> 00:13:45.399 Well, you have to have a sense of humor about it, that's what I think. 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.349 No, but see, listen, 00:13:47.349 --> 00:13:50.739 you find me somebody who don't hate some part of their job. 00:13:50.739 --> 00:13:53.502 I mean, there's a lot of things about this job that I hate, 00:13:53.502 --> 00:13:55.072 but the money is not one of them, 00:13:55.072 --> 00:13:57.891 and I will tell you, as long as this is the best possibility 00:13:57.891 --> 00:13:59.655 for me to make real money, 00:13:59.655 --> 00:14:03.811 I am going to be Jamaican-No-Fakin' if that's what they want to call me. 00:14:03.811 --> 00:14:07.318 No, I'm not even from Jamaica. That's how they market me. 00:14:07.318 --> 00:14:10.545 My family is from Trinidad and the Virgin Islands. 00:14:11.495 --> 00:14:13.711 They don't know what I do, but you know what? 00:14:13.711 --> 00:14:16.977 My children, they know that their school fees are paid, 00:14:16.977 --> 00:14:19.484 they have their books and their computer, 00:14:19.484 --> 00:14:22.456 and this way, I know that they have a chance. 00:14:22.456 --> 00:14:25.266 So I'm not going to tell you that what I do, it's easy, 00:14:25.266 --> 00:14:28.818 I'm not going to tell you that I feel -- what's that you said, liberated? 00:14:30.128 --> 00:14:32.920 But I'm going to tell you that I feel paid. 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.129 Right. (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:14:38.872 --> 00:14:41.496 Thanks, that's lovely, and just the cup of tea, love, 00:14:41.496 --> 00:14:43.470 and just a splash of the whiskey. 00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:48.200 It's perfect, that's grand. Just a drop more. A splash. Perfect. 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.550 What was your name? Peter? Is that right, so, Peter? 00:14:51.550 --> 00:14:54.708 Right. So that, that is the unique part of it for me, 00:14:54.708 --> 00:14:57.401 right, is that I ended up in both, 00:14:58.681 --> 00:15:02.550 first in the convent, and then in the prostitution after. That's right. 00:15:02.550 --> 00:15:04.160 (Laughter) 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:08.120 So one woman at the university here in Dublin, she wrote about me. 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:13.820 She said, Maureen Fitzroy is the living embodiment of the whore-virgin dichotomy. 00:15:13.820 --> 00:15:15.341 Right? (Laughter) 00:15:15.341 --> 00:15:18.359 Doesn't it sound like something you need to go into hospital? 00:15:18.359 --> 00:15:20.248 Well, I've got this terrible dichotomy. 00:15:20.248 --> 00:15:21.411 Doesn't it. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:21.781 --> 00:15:25.119 Right. Well, for me though, it was, as a girl, it started with me dad. 00:15:25.119 --> 00:15:28.394 I mean, half the time, when he spoke to us, it was just a sort of 00:15:28.394 --> 00:15:32.856 tell us we were all useless rotten idiots and we had no morals, that type of thing. 00:15:32.856 --> 00:15:36.177 And I certainly didn't do myself any favors. 00:15:36.177 --> 00:15:38.406 By the time I was 16, 00:15:38.406 --> 00:15:41.285 I had started messing about with this older fella, 00:15:41.285 --> 00:15:44.837 and he wanted it to be our little secret, 00:15:44.837 --> 00:15:47.345 and I did as I was told, didn't I, 00:15:47.345 --> 00:15:53.452 and when that got back to me dad, he had me sent straightaway to the convent. 00:15:54.752 --> 00:15:58.420 Well no, that older fella, he would still come to find me in the convent. 00:15:59.170 --> 00:16:00.766 Yeah, he'd leave me notes 00:16:00.766 --> 00:16:04.001 tucked into the holes in the brick at the back of the charity shop 00:16:04.001 --> 00:16:05.188 so we could meet. 00:16:05.188 --> 00:16:08.915 And he'd tell me how he's leaving his wife, 00:16:08.915 --> 00:16:13.141 and I believed him, until I got pregnant. 00:16:13.141 --> 00:16:18.458 I did, Peter, and I left him a note about it in our special place there, 00:16:18.458 --> 00:16:21.477 and I never did hear from him again. 00:16:21.477 --> 00:16:26.490 No, I gave it up for adoption so it could have a decent life, 00:16:27.070 --> 00:16:29.675 and then they wouldn't let me back into the convent. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:30.815 --> 00:16:34.273 No, my one sister Virginia gave me a fiver for the coach to Dublin, 00:16:34.273 --> 00:16:36.221 and that's how I ended up here. 00:16:36.991 --> 00:16:41.120 Well, surprise, surprise, I fell in love with another fella much older than me, 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:46.159 and I always say I was just so happy because he didn't drink, 00:16:47.349 --> 00:16:49.502 I married the bastard. NOTE Paragraph 00:16:50.502 --> 00:16:54.184 Well, he didn't drink, but he did have just the wee heroin problem, didn't he, 00:16:54.184 --> 00:16:57.279 and -- That's right, and before I knew it, 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.903 he was the one who turned me on to the prostitution, my own husband. 00:17:01.703 --> 00:17:03.771 He had me supporting the both of us. 00:17:03.771 --> 00:17:05.314 I was 18. 00:17:06.144 --> 00:17:09.089 Well, it wasn't Pretty Woman, I can tell you that. 00:17:10.509 --> 00:17:12.356 That Julia Roberts, 00:17:13.566 --> 00:17:17.569 if she'd ever had to sleep with a man to put a few pounds in her pocket, 00:17:17.569 --> 00:17:20.110 I don't think she'd ever have made that film. 00:17:20.110 --> 00:17:22.339 Well, for your record, 00:17:22.339 --> 00:17:25.520 my opinion of the legalization, I'd say I'm against it. 00:17:26.620 --> 00:17:28.864 I just, I don't care what these young girls say. 00:17:28.864 --> 00:17:31.975 You know, living like that, you're just lost, 00:17:31.975 --> 00:17:34.483 and, you know, I'm 63 years old. 00:17:34.483 --> 00:17:36.523 I'm still trying to find who I am. 00:17:37.503 --> 00:17:41.240 You know, I never was a wife or a nun, 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.560 or a prostitute even, really, not really. 00:17:44.560 --> 00:17:47.648 Nobody ever asked who I wanted to be. 00:17:47.648 --> 00:17:49.482 They just told me, 00:17:49.482 --> 00:17:51.433 and if you legalize it, 00:17:51.433 --> 00:17:55.264 then you're really telling these girls, "Go on and get lost for a living," 00:17:55.264 --> 00:17:57.872 and a lot of them, they'll do as they're told. NOTE Paragraph 00:17:58.612 --> 00:18:03.669 All right, so four perspectives from four quite -- (Applause) -- 00:18:03.669 --> 00:18:05.829 four quite different voices there, right? 00:18:05.829 --> 00:18:10.146 One woman saying sex itself is natural but the sex industry seems to 00:18:10.786 --> 00:18:12.794 mechanize or industrialize it. 00:18:12.794 --> 00:18:17.162 Then the second woman considered sex work to be empowering, 00:18:17.162 --> 00:18:20.991 liberating, and feminist, though she, herself, notably, 00:18:20.991 --> 00:18:23.568 did not seem keen to do it. 00:18:23.568 --> 00:18:27.995 The third woman, who actually was a so-called sex worker 00:18:27.995 --> 00:18:31.340 did not agree that it was liberating but she wanted the right 00:18:31.340 --> 00:18:33.100 to the economic empowerment, 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:36.412 and then we hear the fourth woman saying not only prostitution itself 00:18:36.412 --> 00:18:38.938 but proscribed roles for women in general 00:18:38.938 --> 00:18:42.398 prevented her from ever finding who she was, right? NOTE Paragraph 00:18:42.398 --> 00:18:44.395 So another fact most people did not know 00:18:44.395 --> 00:18:50.080 was the average age of an at-risk girl being introduced to the sex industry 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:52.110 was 12 or 13. NOTE Paragraph 00:18:52.110 --> 00:18:55.146 Also consider that the age when all girls in that society 00:18:55.146 --> 00:18:58.791 first became exposed to sexualized images of women 00:18:58.791 --> 00:19:01.345 was quite a bit earlier, right? 00:19:01.345 --> 00:19:06.105 This was a doll called Barbie, right? 00:19:06.105 --> 00:19:09.692 I initially thought she was an educational tool for anorexia prevention -- 00:19:09.692 --> 00:19:10.842 (Laughter) -- 00:19:10.842 --> 00:19:14.209 but actually she was considered by many 00:19:14.209 --> 00:19:18.272 to be a wholesome symbol of femininity, 00:19:18.272 --> 00:19:21.615 and often young girls began what was called dieting. 00:19:21.615 --> 00:19:25.854 Remember this? This was restricting food intake on purpose 00:19:25.854 --> 00:19:27.234 by the age of six, 00:19:27.234 --> 00:19:30.061 and defining themselves based on attractiveness 00:19:30.061 --> 00:19:31.901 by around that same time. Right? NOTE Paragraph 00:19:31.901 --> 00:19:33.112 Yes? 00:19:33.712 --> 00:19:35.756 Right, Bradley, okay, excellent point. 00:19:35.756 --> 00:19:40.585 So there was a lucrative market in that society in convincing all people 00:19:40.585 --> 00:19:44.463 they had to look a certain way to even have a sex life, right? 00:19:44.463 --> 00:19:49.618 But girls, especially, were expected to be "sexy" while avoiding 00:19:49.618 --> 00:19:52.970 being perceived as "sluts" for being sexual. Right? 00:19:52.970 --> 00:19:55.237 So there's that shame piece we've heard about. NOTE Paragraph 00:19:55.237 --> 00:19:56.839 Yes. 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:58.696 Valerie, right? Okay, very good. 00:19:58.696 --> 00:20:01.506 Of course, men were having sex as well, 00:20:01.506 --> 00:20:03.944 but you'll remember from the reading, 00:20:03.944 --> 00:20:05.625 what were male sluts called? 00:20:06.675 --> 00:20:08.541 Very good, they were called men. 00:20:08.541 --> 00:20:10.747 (Laughter) (Applause) 00:20:10.747 --> 00:20:16.319 So not easy living in a world like that, right? 00:20:16.859 --> 00:20:18.711 Though it was not all bad news either. 00:20:18.711 --> 00:20:22.217 Most women in the early 2000s considered themselves empowered, 00:20:22.217 --> 00:20:26.450 and men generally felt they were also evolved in this area, 00:20:26.450 --> 00:20:29.300 and, in fact, most people would have been aware of issues 00:20:29.300 --> 00:20:31.235 like human trafficking, for example, 00:20:31.235 --> 00:20:33.636 but they would have seen that as quite separate 00:20:33.636 --> 00:20:36.427 from more recreational adult entertainment. 00:20:36.427 --> 00:20:39.850 And so we'll just very briefly, class -- we don't have a lot of time -- 00:20:39.850 --> 00:20:42.065 we'll just very briefly hear from a man 00:20:42.065 --> 00:20:43.839 on our topic at this stage. 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:49.474 So this next subject was interviewed on the night of his bachelor party. NOTE Paragraph 00:20:51.426 --> 00:20:54.979 Dude, can you, all right, can you just keep it down? 00:20:54.979 --> 00:20:57.185 I'm trying to talk to BERT right now. 00:20:57.185 --> 00:20:58.778 Oh, your name's not BERT. 00:20:59.298 --> 00:21:01.573 BERT's the name of the, oh, all right. 00:21:01.573 --> 00:21:04.638 No, no, no, totally, it's totally fine. I'm mostly sober, 00:21:04.638 --> 00:21:07.473 so I just want to be helpful. 00:21:08.073 --> 00:21:11.892 Yeah, and I totally believe in causes, yeah, like, all that stuff. 00:21:11.892 --> 00:21:13.332 (Laughter) 00:21:13.332 --> 00:21:15.714 And actually, I'm wearing Toms right now. 00:21:16.954 --> 00:21:20.560 Yeah, Toms, like, the shoes, 00:21:20.560 --> 00:21:23.887 like, you buy a pair and then a kid in Africa gets clean water. 00:21:24.857 --> 00:21:26.394 Yeah. Totally. 00:21:26.394 --> 00:21:29.181 But what was the question again? Sorry. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:29.181 --> 00:21:33.889 Of course I believe in women's rights. I'm marrying a woman. 00:21:33.889 --> 00:21:36.389 (Laughter) 00:21:36.389 --> 00:21:40.018 No, but I mean, like, just because I'm in a strip club parking lot 00:21:40.018 --> 00:21:43.042 doesn't mean that I'm, like, a sexist or whatever. 00:21:43.042 --> 00:21:47.454 My fiancee is totally amazing, she's totally a strong girl, woman, 00:21:47.454 --> 00:21:49.949 smart woman, like, the whole thing. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:49.949 --> 00:21:53.518 Yeah, she knows I'm here. She's probably at a strip club herself right now, 00:21:53.518 --> 00:21:55.510 like, as a joke, same as me. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:55.510 --> 00:21:57.602 My best man, I told him he could surprise me, 00:21:57.602 --> 00:21:59.597 and he thought this would be hilarious, 00:21:59.597 --> 00:22:01.700 but this is not something. 00:22:02.350 --> 00:22:04.720 Yeah, we all went to B school together. 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:06.540 Wharton. 00:22:06.540 --> 00:22:07.724 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:22:07.724 --> 00:22:10.171 Yeah, so, dude, can you guys -- 00:22:10.171 --> 00:22:12.087 All right, but it's my bachelor party, 00:22:12.087 --> 00:22:15.595 and I can spend it in the parking lot with Anderson Cooper if I want to. 00:22:15.595 --> 00:22:18.266 All right, I'll see you in there. NOTE Paragraph 00:22:19.076 --> 00:22:21.214 All right, okay, so Anderson, 00:22:21.214 --> 00:22:25.111 so, like, first of all, stripping, 00:22:25.111 --> 00:22:27.895 but then, like, all the other things you're talking about, 00:22:27.895 --> 00:22:31.403 prostitution and all that stuff, that's, like, not the same thing at all. 00:22:31.403 --> 00:22:34.659 You know? Like, you keep calling it the sex industry or whatever, 00:22:34.659 --> 00:22:38.605 but it's like, if the girl wants to be an exotic dancer 00:22:38.605 --> 00:22:42.072 and she's 18, like, that's her right. NOTE Paragraph 00:22:43.092 --> 00:22:46.340 Whoa, whoa, I hear what you're saying, but I just feel like people, 00:22:46.340 --> 00:22:49.976 they just want to make it seem like all dudes are just, like, predators, 00:22:49.976 --> 00:22:53.114 that we would just automatically go to a prostitute, or whatever. 00:22:53.114 --> 00:22:57.410 Even, like, when I pledged, you know, like when I rushed my fraternity. 00:22:58.350 --> 00:23:01.337 My brothers who I'm close to, those guys, they're all like me. 00:23:01.337 --> 00:23:05.290 We're just normal people, but, like, there's this myth that you must 00:23:05.290 --> 00:23:09.928 be that guy who is kind of an asshole, and like, all bros before hos or whatever. 00:23:09.928 --> 00:23:13.643 And actually, like, bros before hos, it doesn't mean like what it sounds like. 00:23:14.603 --> 00:23:18.380 It's actually just like a joking way of saying that you care about your brothers 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:20.516 and you put them first. NOTE Paragraph 00:23:21.466 --> 00:23:23.576 Yeah, but, you can't blame the media, either. 00:23:23.576 --> 00:23:26.110 I mean, like, if you go watch "Hangover 2," 00:23:26.110 --> 00:23:28.264 and you think that's an instruction manual 00:23:28.264 --> 00:23:30.800 for your life, like, I don't know what to tell you. 00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:32.862 You know? You don't watch "Bourne Identity" 00:23:32.862 --> 00:23:37.106 and go drive your car over a gondola in Venice. (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:23:37.736 --> 00:23:40.672 Well, yeah, okay, like, if you're a little kid or whatever, 00:23:40.672 --> 00:23:42.876 of course it's different, but -- NOTE Paragraph 00:23:42.876 --> 00:23:46.570 Yeah, all right, I remember one thing like that. 00:23:47.380 --> 00:23:50.480 I was at this kid's house one time playing GTA, 00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:52.510 uh, Grand Theft Auto? NOTE Paragraph 00:23:53.417 --> 00:23:56.123 Dude, are you from Canada? (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:23:57.593 --> 00:24:00.986 So, like, whatever, with Grand Theft Auto, 00:24:00.986 --> 00:24:04.160 you're this kid, like, you're this guy walking around or whatever, 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.092 and you can basically, like, the more cops you kill, 00:24:07.092 --> 00:24:09.763 the more points you get, and stuff like that. 00:24:09.763 --> 00:24:12.601 But also, you can find prostitutes 00:24:12.601 --> 00:24:15.798 and obviously you can do sexual stuff with them, 00:24:15.798 --> 00:24:19.655 but you can, like, kill them and take your money back. 00:24:20.525 --> 00:24:24.466 Yeah, this kid, I remember he ran over a couple of them a few times with his car 00:24:24.466 --> 00:24:27.320 and he got all these points. 00:24:27.320 --> 00:24:29.755 We were, like, 10, I think. 00:24:31.685 --> 00:24:33.777 It felt pretty terrible, actually. 00:24:34.827 --> 00:24:40.215 No, I don't think I said anything, I just finished playing and went home. NOTE Paragraph 00:24:40.845 --> 00:24:43.770 All right class, so then there were men who had more than just 00:24:43.770 --> 00:24:46.135 a passing relationship to this issue. (Laughter) 00:24:47.955 --> 00:24:52.880 The next subject described himself as a reformed and remorseful pimp 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.526 turned motivational speaker, 00:24:54.526 --> 00:24:56.964 life coach and therapist, 00:24:56.964 --> 00:25:00.934 but if you want to know more about him, you'll have to come to the entire play. NOTE Paragraph 00:25:00.934 --> 00:25:04.920 Thank you so much, you beautiful TED audience. 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.716 I will see you for "Sell/Buy/Date." NOTE Paragraph 00:25:06.716 --> 00:25:12.287 (Applause)