0:00:00.057,0:00:07.264 "Is Liquid Smoke Flavoring Carcinogenic?" 0:00:07.264,0:00:10.387 We know smoke inhalation [br]isn't good for us, 0:00:10.387,0:00:12.559 what about smoke [br]ingestion? 0:00:12.559,0:00:16.161 Decades ago, smoke [br]flavorings were tested 0:00:16.161,0:00:18.869 to see if they caused DNA [br]mutations in bacteria, 0:00:18.869,0:00:21.138 and the test [br]was negative. 0:00:21.138,0:00:23.154 Even as more and more [br]smoke flavoring was added, 0:00:23.154,0:00:25.951 the DNA mutation rate [br]remained about the same. 0:00:25.951,0:00:29.202 But the fact that something [br]is not mutagenic in bacteria 0:00:29.202,0:00:32.298 has little predictive value [br]for its effect on human cells, 0:00:32.298,0:00:35.717 so a group at MIT tested [br]a hickory smoke flavoring 0:00:35.717,0:00:39.796 they just bought at the store against [br]two types of human white blood cells. 0:00:39.796,0:00:42.535 Unlike the bacteria, [br]the mutation rate shot up 0:00:42.535,0:00:44.729 as more and more liquid [br]smoke was added. 0:00:44.729,0:00:47.558 But there is little evidence [br]that mutagenic activity 0:00:47.558,0:00:50.553 in a particular human cell [br]line is more closely related 0:00:50.553,0:00:53.948 to human health risk than is [br]mutagenic activity in bacteria. 0:00:53.948,0:00:56.104 In other words, just [br]because liquid smoke 0:00:56.104,0:00:59.301 causes DNA mutations to human [br]cells in a petri dish, 0:00:59.301,0:01:02.439 doesn't mean that it does the [br]same thing within the human body. 0:01:02.439,0:01:07.432 Damaging DNA is just one of many [br]ways chemicals can be toxic to cells. 0:01:07.432,0:01:10.061 A decade later researchers [br]tested to see what effect 0:01:10.061,0:01:13.652 liquid smoke had on [br]overall cell viability. 0:01:13.652,0:01:17.628 If you drip water on [br]cells, nothing happens, 0:01:17.628,0:01:20.379 they keep powering away [br]at around 100% survival. 0:01:20.379,0:01:24.130 But drip on more and [br]more wood fire smoke 0:01:24.130,0:01:26.069 and you can start killing [br]some of the cells off. 0:01:26.069,0:01:28.245 Cigarette smoke [br]is more toxic, 0:01:28.245,0:01:31.674 but 3 out of 4 of the brands [br]of liquid smoke they bought 0:01:31.674,0:01:34.508 at the supermarket killed [br]off even more cells, 0:01:34.508,0:01:37.991 leading them to conclude that [br]the cytotoxic potential 0:01:37.991,0:01:40.330 of some commercial smoke [br]flavorings is greater 0:01:40.339,0:01:42.420 than that of liquid [br]cigarette smoke– 0:01:42.429,0:01:46.000 a finding they no doubt celebrated [br]given that the researchers 0:01:46.096,0:01:50.680 were paid employees of the [br]R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. 0:01:50.684,0:01:54.210 Unfortunately, they didn't name [br]names of the offending brands. 0:01:54.219,0:01:56.980 That's one of the reasons I was [br]so excited about this new study, 0:01:56.989,0:02:01.720 where they tested—and named 15 [br]different brands of liquid smoke. 0:02:01.723,0:02:08.630 This maximum "response" they were measuring [br]was what was called p53 activation. 0:02:08.637,0:02:13.910 P53 is a protein we make, [br]illustrated here in pink and red, 0:02:13.914,0:02:17.450 that binds to our [br]DNA, shown in blue. 0:02:17.457,0:02:20.740 It activates our [br]DNA repair enzymes. 0:02:20.740,0:02:27.090 So a big P53 response might be [br]indicative of a lot of DNA damage, 0:02:27.097,0:02:30.980 and a few of the liquid smoke [br]flavorings activated P53 0:02:30.989,0:02:34.750 almost as much as a chemotherapy [br]drug like Etoposide 0:02:34.759,0:02:39.220 whose whole purpose is [br]to break DNA strands. 0:02:39.229,0:02:42.000 Other flavorings [br]didn't seem as bad, 0:02:42.003,0:02:45.840 though there was a hickory smoke [br]powder that ranked pretty high, 0:02:45.841,0:02:51.250 as did the fish sauce, though smoked [br]paprika didn't register at all. 0:02:51.257,0:02:55.040 The p53-activating property [br]in liquid smoke was eliminated 0:02:55.045,0:02:57.080 by standard baking [br]conditions (350°F for 1h), 0:02:57.085,0:02:59.920 so if we bake something with [br]liquid smoke for long enough 0:02:59.924,0:03:01.200 it should eliminate [br]this effect, 0:03:01.204,0:03:04.300 though just boiling, even for [br]an hour, or slow cooking 0:03:04.306,0:03:05.930 didn't appear to work. 0:03:05.937,0:03:10.140 They conclude, "If the DNA-damaging [br]activities of liquid smoke" 0:03:10.142,0:03:12.840 "were thought to be deleterious, [br]it might be possible to replace" 0:03:12.846,0:03:15.860 "liquid smoke with other, [br]safer, smoky substances." 0:03:15.860,0:03:20.660 Why do they say IF thought [br]to be deleterious? 0:03:20.665,0:03:24.330 That's because they're not [br]directly measuring DNA damage. 0:03:24.339,0:03:26.920 Remember, they're measuring [br]P53 activation, 0:03:26.925,0:03:30.680 and that's not [br]necessarily a bad thing. 0:03:30.683,0:03:35.310 P53 is considered "Guardian of [br]our Genome," guardian of our DNA. 0:03:35.314,0:03:37.800 It's considered a [br]tumor suppressor gene, 0:03:37.803,0:03:39.990 because it helps [br]repair our DNA. 0:03:39.994,0:03:44.910 So if something boosts the activity [br]of P53, is that good or bad? 0:03:44.919,0:03:47.180 It's like the [br]broccoli story. 0:03:47.180,0:03:51.470 Cruciferous vegetables dramatically [br]boost our liver's detoxifying enzymes. 0:03:51.479,0:03:54.600 Is this because our body [br]sees broccoli as toxic 0:03:54.605,0:03:56.210 and is trying to get [br]rid of it quicker? 0:03:56.210,0:04:00.940 Either way, the end result from [br]broccoli is good, lower cancer risk. 0:04:00.945,0:04:05.630 It's maybe a biological [br]phenomenon known as hormesis, 0:04:05.637,0:04:08.150 that which doesn't kill [br]us may make us stronger. 0:04:08.156,0:04:10.810 Like exercise is a [br]stress on the body, 0:04:10.818,0:04:13.020 but in the right amount can make [br]us healthier in the long run. 0:04:13.028,0:04:18.100 So, for example, teas and coffees [br]caused P53 activation as well, 0:04:18.101,0:04:21.970 but their consumption is associated [br]with lower cancer risk. 0:04:21.970,0:04:27.220 So it's hard to know what to make [br]of that smoke flavoring P53 data. 0:04:27.220,0:04:29.420 Due to the limitations [br]of the available tests 0:04:29.422,0:04:32.500 it's hard to calculate the genotoxic [br]potential of liquid smoke, 0:04:32.500,0:04:34.480 or any other food [br]for that matter. 0:04:34.481,0:04:39.700 A better approach may be to just analyze [br]liquid smoke for known carcinogens, 0:04:39.760,0:04:42.640 chemicals that we [br]know cause cancer. 0:04:42.647,0:04:47.660 This was first attempted [br]back in 1971. 0:04:47.669,0:04:50.050 One of the seven liquid [br]smoke flavors they tested 0:04:50.051,0:04:52.670 contained a polycyclic [br]aromatic hydrocarbon 0:04:52.672,0:04:54.950 known to be [br]cancer-causing, 0:04:54.951,0:04:58.810 but there's a bunch of similar [br]carcinogens that they didn't test for. 0:04:58.818,0:05:01.850 A later study, tested [br]across the board, 0:05:01.859,0:05:04.010 looking specifically at [br]5 different carcinogens 0:05:04.017,0:05:07.660 in retail liquid [br]smoke seasonings. 0:05:07.661,0:05:12.520 The recommended daily upper safety [br]limit for these carcinogens is 47. 0:05:12.520,0:05:18.100 Hickory smoke flavoring [br]only has 0.8 per teaspoon, 0:05:18.196,0:05:21.750 so you'd have to drink three bottles [br]a day to bump up against the limit. 0:05:21.750,0:05:25.150 And mesquite liquid [br]smoke, only 1.1. 0:05:25.154,0:05:29.360 It turns out that most of these [br]carcinogens in smoke are fat soluble, 0:05:29.367,0:05:32.380 and so when you make a water-based [br]solution, like liquid smoke, 0:05:32.380,0:05:35.130 you capture the smoke [br]flavor compounds 0:05:35.133,0:05:38.430 without capturing most of [br]the smoke cancer compounds. 0:05:38.439,0:05:42.800 The only time you need to really [br]worry is eating smoked foods, 0:05:42.800,0:05:44.970 foods directly exposed [br]to actual smoke. 0:05:44.970,0:05:47.430 For example, smoked [br]ham comes up to here, 0:05:47.433,0:05:50.220 and smoked turkey [br]breast up to here. 0:05:50.225,0:05:53.380 So one sandwich and we may [br]be half way to the limit. 0:05:53.387,0:05:58.690 But one serving of [br]barbecued chicken takes us... 0:05:58.694,0:06:00.250 over the top. 0:06:00.259,0:06:02.210 Less than a single drumstick [br]and we may nearly 0:06:02.210,0:06:05.090 double our daily allotment [br]of these carcinogens. 0:06:05.098,0:06:09.550 Nothing, however, [br]is as bad as fish. 0:06:09.556,0:06:12.180 Smoked herring? 140. 0:06:12.180,0:06:17.750 And we have to shrink down the graph [br]to fit the worst of the worst... 0:06:17.758,0:06:21.090 smoked salmon. 0:06:21.098,0:06:27.460 One bagel with lox could take [br]us 10 times over the limit.