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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.73,0:00:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ [ Philip Glass – “Runaway Horses”\N({\i1}Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters{\i0}) ] ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.48,0:00:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, everybody. Welcome back to\Nanother episode of {\i1}Porkins Policy Radio.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.15,0:01:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As always, I am your host Pearse Redmond,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.17,0:01:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can find this podcast \Nand all the other podcasts
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.56,0:01:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by going to porkinspolicyreview.wordpress.com
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.38,0:01:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, today we have a very special episode,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.97,0:01:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have two very special guests.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.78,0:01:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're going to be discussing {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.12,0:01:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sibel Edmond's new novel, in greater detail,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.75,0:01:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well as exploring some of the \Nintricacies
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.50,0:01:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Gladio Plan B in general.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.23,0:01:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And joining me for this epic\Nroundtable discussion on this
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.59,0:01:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, of course, our good friend and \Nfrequent guest on the show Tom Secker
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.10,0:01:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from SpyCulture.com and the \Nhost of {\i1}ClandesTime{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.07,0:01:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also joining us all the way \Non the West Coast
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.04,0:01:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in what has become the newest state \Nto legalize marijuana
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.72,0:01:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is our wonderful, wonderful guest \Nwho's been on the show recently
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.43,0:01:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is, of course, the creator \Nand founder of BoilingFrogsPost.com
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.81,0:01:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the author of {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}, \NSibel Edmonds
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.48,0:01:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Sibel, Tom: Thank you for joining \Nme on the show today.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.35,0:01:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Hi, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.45,0:01:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Good to be talking to you both.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.72,0:02:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) Yeah, absolutely. So, basically \Nme and Tom just wanted to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.37,0:02:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a million more questions \Nthat we didn't get to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.24,0:02:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we both interviewed you \Nfor our respective shows
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.04,0:02:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So... and I guess... Tom, why don't you \Nstart the conversation off?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.24,0:02:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Sure. Well, I only have...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.94,0:02:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I managed to whittle it down to two
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.08,0:02:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I didn't get to ask you before,\NSibel.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.35,0:02:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we were talking about,\Nessentially,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.72,0:02:28.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how your book {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.99,0:02:33.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subverts an awful lot of the \Nnormal spy fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.77,0:02:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's because it's doing \Nsomething vastly different.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.03,0:02:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's, in many ways, an attack on \Nthe security state.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.47,0:02:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rather than some kind of defense of it
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.26,0:02:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or glorification of it, which is\Nwhat you normally get.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.77,0:02:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we picked up on... sorry, \Non various different things.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.73,0:02:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there were a couple that I \Ndidn't get around to asking you about.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.68,0:02:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the first one is this question of \Nrogue agents.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.64,0:03:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in the book, the protagonist, \Nthe titular Lone Gladio, Greg,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.78,0:03:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He goes rogue and wreaks this havoc
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.61,0:03:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against his former colleagues, \Nhis former paymasters
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.84,0:03:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And normally in spy culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.16,0:03:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rogue agent is portrayed\Nas the bad apple, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.17,0:03:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The exception to the normal \Nstate of affairs.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.16,0:03:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sort of they're the bad people\Nwithin a good institution.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.84,0:03:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the usual picture you get.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.72,0:03:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas in your book, in {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.38,0:03:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Greg is a... I hesitate to say \Na {\i1}good{\i0} apple...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.84,0:03:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter] but he's somewhat good. \NHe does do good things.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.96,0:03:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does protect people\Nthat need protecting
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.24,0:03:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that deserve to be protected.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.84,0:03:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.03,0:03:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of his...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.96,0:03:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the torture sequences, \None might debate. [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.71,0:03:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[xx] how good these things are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.25,0:03:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but nonetheless, he is a somewhat \Ngood apple, if you like
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.26,0:03:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the bad institution.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.98,0:03:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once again, this is a \Ncomplete inversion
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.83,0:03:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reinvention of a stereotype \Nin spy stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.89,0:04:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet you've said in other interviews
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.70,0:04:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Greg is somewhat based on real people
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.78,0:04:08.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real black operatives that \Nyou've met along the way
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.05,0:04:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and had conversations with
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.04,0:04:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to some extent got to know what \Nkind of people they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.52,0:04:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my question -- and I hope this\Nisn't too cheeky --
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.71,0:04:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is how realistic is Greg?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.03,0:04:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How realistic is it that one day,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.30,0:04:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there might be a real Lone Gladio?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.79,0:04:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Well, you may call it
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.73,0:04:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some degree, a wishful thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.13,0:04:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we haven't had a real-life\NGreg MacPherson
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.92,0:04:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Despite all the publicized, many of them totally scripted
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.21,0:04:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed CIA whistleblowers
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.72,0:04:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people who have turned against \Nthe CIA to a certain degree.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.48,0:04:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have never had a real Greg from\Nthe Agency
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.56,0:04:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the CIA
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.90,0:05:02.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also, to answer your question,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.58,0:05:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first part of your question,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.57,0:05:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my feeling and my knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.26,0:05:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on my knowledge, what I have seen,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.77,0:05:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been that many of these \Nmass-market books
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.84,0:05:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the spy thrillers involving the Agency,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.55,0:05:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are the ones that always\Nsubvert the reality
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.24,0:05:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning, what really these people do
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.84,0:05:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the culture of the agency
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.70,0:05:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who the agency actually serves,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.14,0:05:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not the American people.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.33,0:05:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not even the United States \Ngovernment.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.16,0:05:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it goes to the heart of the Deep State.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.06,0:05:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people who benefit from \Nthe Agency, from the CIA
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.23,0:05:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and whom the Agency really serves.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.86,0:05:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all the books that we see out there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.75,0:05:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hollywood-made movies,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.29,0:05:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they subvert the facts, the reality
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.41,0:05:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what the Agency is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.66,0:06:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because of this, all average Americans
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.22,0:06:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even people in Europe,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.45,0:06:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most people, they have
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.62,0:06:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a complete false notion of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.02,0:06:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the CIA is all about.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.30,0:06:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, this is actually to a lesser degree
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.40,0:06:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even, maybe, not even in any degree
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.15,0:06:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in countries that have been the targets
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.26,0:06:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all these types of CIA, \Nthe Agency's, operations.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.56,0:06:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if you go and talk with people\Nin countries like Iran,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.26,0:06:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 1953 coup with Mossadeq\Nbeing taken out
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.36,0:06:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Shah being placed in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.16,0:06:45.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go to some of the Central \NAmerican, South American nations
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.55,0:06:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they have, these countries
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.84,0:06:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- in Middle East, in South and\NCentral America --
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.94,0:06:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since they have had first-hand\Nexperience, real experience
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.41,0:06:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what CIA actually does,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.50,0:07:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not under this false notion.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.58,0:07:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can engage in some\Nreally heated conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.02,0:07:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people in these countries
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.81,0:07:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with notions that they put forward
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.18,0:07:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are far more realistic, factual,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.97,0:07:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than, let's say, when you talk with\Npeople in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.08,0:07:18.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I would put it this way:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.77,0:07:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say I subverted the \Nsubverted notion
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.04,0:07:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Agency and the Agency people.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.75,0:07:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're absolutely right about Greg.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.93,0:07:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to call him a good person,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.49,0:07:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the good apple,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.83,0:07:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the book and the characters\Nin the book
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.32,0:07:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they go into the heart of what \Nthe Agency is about
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.84,0:07:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what kind of people
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.07,0:07:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are selected to be operatives.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.28,0:07:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, the fictional aspect being
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.18,0:08:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all it takes is one or two real good \Napples to actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.15,0:08:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truly expose what the Agency's about
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.24,0:08:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the operations, their objectives, \Nand who they serve.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.65,0:08:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we haven't had, to date,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.76,0:08:10.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a good apple.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.55,0:08:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's really, really amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.66,0:08:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it's really amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.43,0:08:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, on the other hand,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.63,0:08:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it may go to this whole notion of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.71,0:08:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the chicken or the egg.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.76,0:08:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this way: that... well, to start with,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.27,0:08:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the poeple they select for these jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.58,0:08:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the operatives -- I'm not talking about \Nthe administrative people or analysts --
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.19,0:08:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to start with are the kind of people \Nwho would never
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.56,0:08:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become those good apples that\Nthey would step out
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.56,0:08:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go all the way into exposing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.25,0:08:43.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the Agency is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.53,0:08:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this fact applies to \Na lesser degree
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.35,0:08:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to agencies like, more law enforcement,\Nthe FBI
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.73,0:08:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though I'm not saying that \Nthey are good,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.38,0:08:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have had whistleblowers, \Nor some good apples,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.48,0:09:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have really exposed some \Nmajor black deeds
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.25,0:09:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,performed or implemented \Nby these agencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.50,0:09:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But not really with the CIA.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.08,0:09:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some people may say,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.15,0:09:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, here we have had this agents, \Nor that agents,"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.17,0:09:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you look at these so-called, \Nsupposed whistleblowers,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.66,0:09:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see how controlled \Nheir supposed exposure
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.95,0:09:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or exposing of the agency is.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.91,0:09:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, you get to see them
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.61,0:09:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the mainstream media, frequently.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.42,0:09:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which tells you right there that they are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.01,0:09:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not exposing the Agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.06,0:09:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would never get a chance
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.31,0:09:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be before millions of audience \Nwithin the mainstream media
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.69,0:09:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting forth some factual... \Nor some facts
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.86,0:09:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that expose the true nature of the Agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.25,0:09:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would never, ever be given \Nthat kind of a chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.90,0:09:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.98,0:09:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has never happend.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.26,0:09:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really hasn't happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.26,0:10:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll see some people who would \Ntalk about how
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.75,0:10:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Agency is, by doing this \Nparticular thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.47,0:10:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this particular way...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.37,0:10:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people who are selling the notion \Nof, yes, there are a few bad apples
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.72,0:10:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the Agencies who are doing \Nthis, within the management.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.51,0:10:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is similar to what people call
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.85,0:10:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the controlled opposition.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.12,0:10:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is tightly framed to further, still
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.41,0:10:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Agency's legitimacy -- which is,\Nthey are not legitimate.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.34,0:10:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then within that tight frame,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.32,0:10:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put forth some very shallow criticism\Nof some agencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.73,0:10:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, later on,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.51,0:10:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you see, it's usually blamed\Non a President
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.29,0:10:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a particular party
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.88,0:10:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than going to the Deep State
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.66,0:10:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whom the Agency is there \Nto protect and further their agenda,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.90,0:11:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not some puppet President, or some party.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.89,0:11:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or... it boils down to some director \Nnot being good, being the bad apple.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.66,0:11:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, these are all the false notions
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.50,0:11:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have been popularized \Nby the mainstream media.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.64,0:11:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By all the books that subvert
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.24,0:11:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the Agency is about
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.97,0:11:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And alternative media as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.10,0:11:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the so-called "alternative"media.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.45,0:11:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of them, they parrot the \Nsame notion,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.28,0:11:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- maybe they put it forth in a \Nmore heated manner --
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.51,0:11:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the end, they are actually
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.16,0:11:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repeating the same storyline.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.49,0:11:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Within the storyline, some plots \Nare maybe targeted and criticized,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.33,0:11:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not the story itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.33,0:11:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I mean, you're absolutely \Nright there, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.20,0:11:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when you were talking about\Nhow this was...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.10,0:11:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whenever you do get any kind \Nof significant revelation,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.33,0:11:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's always wrapped up in a\N"Oh, well, this was just"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.53,0:11:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"the policy of this particular\NWhite House"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.70,0:11:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Or it was because there was \Na bad director of the CIA at that point"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.24,0:11:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"or..." there's never any kind of sense
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.99,0:12:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this being a fundamental, \Ninstitutional problem
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.54,0:12:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at... a fundamental problem \Nin the character
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.26,0:12:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the CIA and other similar institutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.34,0:12:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was thinking, they've even tried\Nthis with the original Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.12,0:12:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That, this was always the way it was\N[xx] out there
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.92,0:12:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by anyone who was insincere.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.57,0:12:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was that, "Oh, this was just some \Nstay-behind thing."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.90,0:12:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It was Cold War paranoia. \NNothing really came of it."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.82,0:12:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they ignore that second phase
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.58,0:12:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the original Gladio
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.00,0:12:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it became this very aggressive means
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.91,0:12:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of carrying out false-flag terrorism.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.53,0:12:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they sort of pretend like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.08,0:12:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that never actually happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.60,0:12:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They say, oh, this was some...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.73,0:12:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, we were all worried about \NStalin or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.72,0:12:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just written off in that way, \Nthe original Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.27,0:12:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Yeah, sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.24,0:12:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I mean, that's one of the things,\NI suppose,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.15,0:12:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I loved about {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.55,0:12:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that, not only are you kind of throwing\Nall of that bullshit out the window,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.46,0:12:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're actually talking about \Nmore or less the present day.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.71,0:12:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's set about ten years ago, OK,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.04,0:13:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's the modern era. \NIt's the War on Terror era.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.70,0:13:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.89,0:13:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) So you're cutting right to the heart
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.36,0:13:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the modern-day reality
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.56,0:13:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my other question is kind of \Nrelated to that.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.46,0:13:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm not in any way trying to get you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.47,0:13:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to contradict yourself here.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.86,0:13:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we do also have the question\Nof blowback.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.31,0:13:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in some ways, that's what Greg
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.30,0:13:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his crusade of violence represents.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.83,0:13:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is, to some extent,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.65,0:13:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the unintended consequence
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.06,0:13:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these black operations
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.51,0:13:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both in terms of his motivation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.38,0:13:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- his wife is killed, essentially, \Naccidentally, or at least carelessly:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.87,0:13:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they weren't {\i1}trying{\i0} to kill her --
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.47,0:13:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet that's his...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.74,0:13:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's at least the point at which \Nhe then decides
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.45,0:13:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's time to wreak havoc against them.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.96,0:13:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know your opinion of blowback \Nis roughly the same as mine,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.26,0:13:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, again, it's one of these things\Nthat's hung out there
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.97,0:13:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cover up something that would \Notherwise be quite damaging.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.89,0:13:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes black operations do go bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.91,0:13:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And unintended things happen
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.86,0:14:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in general terms, blowback is \Njust one of those covers.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.91,0:14:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a smokescreen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.26,0:14:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's..."the {\i1}mujahideen{\i0} in Afghanistan"
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.58,0:14:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"evolved into al-Qaeda completely \Nby accident." [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.31,0:14:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've sort of accidentally \Nlet this happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.78,0:14:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We took our eye off the ball, \Nblah-blah-blah.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.57,0:14:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's totally untrue.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.15,0:14:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, we know it's totally untrue.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.94,0:14:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I found it quite fascinating,\Nthat...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.63,0:14:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing that your opinion \Nof blowback is quite similar to mine
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.72,0:14:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not the same as mine
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.92,0:14:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this same basic idea forms
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.00,0:14:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such a central part of the story
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.55,0:14:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.14,0:14:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's not a sort of explanation\Nthat you take all that seriously
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.62,0:14:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for real events, is it?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.11,0:14:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there, again, I suppose you're\Nbeing quite subversive.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.82,0:14:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because instead of using blowback as a\Nway of covering up for black operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.41,0:14:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this story of Greg's retribution \Nagainst the Company
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.14,0:14:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually his sort of means of \Nexposing them.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.25,0:14:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's, I suppose, what... the overall \Npoint of this book was
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.92,0:15:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to try and expose the reality
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.59,0:15:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in doing so, that meant you simply
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.80,0:15:06.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to subvert the usual way in which \Nthese things worked
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.11,0:15:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore had to subvert \Neven the concept of blowback.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.32,0:15:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suppose... OK, my question: is this \Nsomething that you did consciously,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.02,0:15:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or am I letting the literary analyst \Ninside me get a bit carried away here?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.22,0:15:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Um, no. Absolutely, absolutely. \NFirst of all, you're absolutely right:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.80,0:15:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is based on the notion of blowback
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.25,0:15:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in this case, it's a {\i1}real{\i0} blowback.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.36,0:15:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is: unintended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.20,0:15:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because, as we know, Greg's woman
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.58,0:15:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was killed purely accidentally.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.42,0:15:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was not designed by the powers
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.79,0:15:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get this reaction and this outcome
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.47,0:15:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is brought forth by Greg.\NBecause he starts the mission.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.80,0:16:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are two things that \Nare happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.16,0:16:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two things that are \Nmotivating Greg.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.73,0:16:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, of course, we are talking \Nabout this Great Terror Event in 2001.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.39,0:16:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.57,0:16:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was outside that highly-\Ncompartmentalized operation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.92,0:16:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to execute this, this false-flag operation\Nin the home front
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.33,0:16:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the United States, on the US soil.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.07,0:16:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he realizes this as it happens,\Nand it's reported
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.28,0:16:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the tentacles of the Gladios.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.16,0:16:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the {\i1}CNN{\i0} and {\i1}BBC{\i0}, or {\i1}BCB{\i0}, \Nas they are listed there
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.67,0:16:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it may be a little bit cheesy [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.30,0:16:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But... so...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.34,0:16:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is when it makes Greg stop and think
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.39,0:16:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the blowback doesn't begin here
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.92,0:16:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the roots, or the seeds, are \Nplanted there.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.12,0:17:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because he is, himself, a highly unusual,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.14,0:17:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eccentric character
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.77,0:17:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some dark, to a certain degree \Nsad background
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.91,0:17:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I don't get into in this book.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.85,0:17:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will, hopefully, once I write and if I \Nwrite the second book
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.14,0:17:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will get more into Greg's childhood
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.58,0:17:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what started his intense hatred \Nof Russians and everything Russian.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.87,0:17:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's one of the repeating\Nthemes there.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.01,0:17:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that has been one of the driving force
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.35,0:17:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a lot of things that he has \Ndone in life.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.54,0:17:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in all this, this... for this\Noperation, false-flag
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.80,0:17:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking place in the US, that begins\Nthe process.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.65,0:17:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It plants the seed, and then the \Ncatalyst, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.31,0:17:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two years later, becomes his\Nwoman accidentally
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.27,0:17:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken out by the Agency
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.70,0:17:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that basically triggers\Nall these actions.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.93,0:18:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, that was unintended.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.78,0:18:05.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's a true blowback right there.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.18,0:18:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you used the word "intended," \Nand that is very, very important.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.49,0:18:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the key word, because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.53,0:18:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a blowback to be really a blowback,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.35,0:18:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the consequences have to be unintended.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.64,0:18:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with these operations themselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.98,0:18:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the black ops, the false-flag operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.38,0:18:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the recruitment and the training \Nof these terrorists,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.52,0:18:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this case we had a black widow \Nwho's a Chechen,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.06,0:18:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's Chechen, in Azerbaijan
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.38,0:18:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those operations are the\Nfalse-flag operations
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.80,0:18:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with {\i1}intended{\i0} consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.02,0:18:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With {\i1}intended consequences{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.80,0:18:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore, anything that results \Nfrom those operations
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.94,0:18:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannot in any way be considered blowback.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.35,0:19:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when you look at, let's say
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.53,0:19:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a certain group being put in place,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.84,0:19:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trained, armed, directed, managed,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.36,0:19:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to execute a certain terror operation,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.75,0:19:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's in Russia or if it's\Nin Syria,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.12,0:19:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if it's in Iraq,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.64,0:19:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,executing that terror operation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.24,0:19:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is only a part of the intended results,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.40,0:19:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the objectives, the means to get\Nto the objectives.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.02,0:19:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not all of consequences \Ntaking place afterwards:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.50,0:19:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those are the intended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.03,0:19:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let me give you an example.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.30,0:19:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, let's say when you\Ntrain the Chechens,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.94,0:19:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a group of Chechens,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.38,0:19:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and arm them, and drug them,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.39,0:19:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and indoctrinate them, and manage them,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.22,0:19:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say, "You're gonna go and blow \Nup this in this part of Russia,"
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.06,0:19:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.96,0:20:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the first result of it is, OK, \Nthis horrible terror incident happens
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.13,0:20:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that particular city
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.66,0:20:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or targeting this particular school, \Net cetera.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.81,0:20:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what happens next is what \Nis the intended consequence.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.16,0:20:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is to get Russia to react to it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.60,0:20:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to react to it, hopefully, \Ndramatically.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.34,0:20:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Emotionally, and start rounding up\Nhundreds of Chechens,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.10,0:20:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting them in jail, or actually going \Nand shooting 150 Chechens, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.28,0:20:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that, in return, turning around \Nand causing this...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.46,0:20:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more attacks over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.95,0:20:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, you start getting closer and closer
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.95,0:20:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the intended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.86,0:20:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The intended consequence in executing
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.51,0:20:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this particular terror operation,\Nthis part of it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.31,0:20:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where something is blown up
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.67,0:20:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have 100 people dying,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.65,0:20:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not the first intent,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.45,0:20:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most important objective here.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.67,0:20:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a way to get the following \Nfive or six consequent events,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.58,0:21:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are intended,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.24,0:21:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cause that chaos,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.98,0:21:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cause that certain sect going \Nafter another sect
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.17,0:21:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cause for that to actually become\Neven more,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.70,0:21:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explode even further
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.65,0:21:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and affect a neighboring country.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.38,0:21:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say, if it's in Syria, something\Nis happening
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.93,0:21:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Jordan, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.94,0:21:22.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this happens in the border,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.30,0:21:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have, let's say, maybe half \Na million refugees
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.91,0:21:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting to this country.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.98,0:21:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those in the media,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.83,0:21:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then these so-called CIA analysts \Nthey are talking about,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.38,0:21:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are always represented \Nand presented to the viewers
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.21,0:21:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the unintended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.61,0:21:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they don't even say, "
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.80,0:21:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"OK, we did help blow this thing up."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.92,0:21:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's say they armed it,\Nand we didn't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.85,0:21:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The usual storyline.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.81,0:21:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And look, all these things happen, \Nand they're horrifying"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.57,0:21:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while all along the intended consequences
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.80,0:21:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are events that take place long after, \Nlet's say,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.38,0:21:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a building being blown up
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.05,0:22:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or 50 people getting killed.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.83,0:22:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what we are talking about.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.34,0:22:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in no way those can be considered\Nas blowback
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.01,0:22:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are absolutely intended.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.14,0:22:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when that chaos is taking place,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.76,0:22:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the next things comes as \Na result of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.48,0:22:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then these other two countries \Nget involved,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.42,0:22:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a result of that, let's say,\Nanother country which says,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.26,0:22:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know what? Now we are really going \Nto, let's say,"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.11,0:22:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"put our candidacy to become a member\Nof NATO."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.33,0:22:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as a result of that, this and this \Nhappens.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.00,0:22:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like a chess board.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.52,0:22:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you want to look at the move \Nthat's gonna come
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.59,0:22:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eight moves after the first move
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.66,0:22:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to go and execute, or achieve \Nwhat you want to achieve.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.62,0:22:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not the first, initial things that \Ntake place
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.31,0:22:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the first or the second move.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.17,0:22:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for those to be considered blowback,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.39,0:22:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the fiction that, unfortunately,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.07,0:22:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost everyone -- except for you guys
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.36,0:23:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a handful of other who I call \Nthe Irate Minority
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.66,0:23:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real informed people, people don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.52,0:23:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I always try to give these\Nexamples and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.19,0:23:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if a certain action, modus operandi
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.20,0:23:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,results in unintended consequences...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.05,0:23:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say this was talked about\Na lot after 9/11, saying...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.11,0:23:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, well, we supported the\N{\i1}mujahideens{\i0} in Afghanistan."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.15,0:23:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"In early '80s, late '70s. We armed them, \Nwe trained them."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.89,0:23:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Including Osama Bin Laden; \Nincluding Zawahiri."
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.98,0:23:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then those people turned around
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.09,0:23:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and started doing these kinds of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.35,0:23:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those were unintended.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.97,0:23:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's say what they say
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.70,0:23:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- this is the Deep State; this is\Nthe mainstream media;
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.62,0:23:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the so-called CIA analyst,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.13,0:23:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are the so-called CIA dissenters \Nsuch as people like Mike Scheuer --
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.27,0:23:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymously writing the \Nblowback-related stories, fiction,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.99,0:24:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being marketed as non-fiction,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.88,0:24:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say if they were true, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.40,0:24:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, think about it: any person,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.02,0:24:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any sane person, average normal \Nperson, would say,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.48,0:24:14.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I did this, and these things came \Nout of it -- unintended things."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.100,0:24:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you learn a lesson: you don't go\Nand repeat it ten times again
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.60,0:24:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after seeing these supposed\Nunintended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.96,0:24:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But on the other hand, if you look \Nat the reality
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.43,0:24:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say, OK, for the past 30 or 40 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.05,0:24:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we repeat exactly the same script,\Nthe same scenario,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.02,0:24:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.89,0:24:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and getting the similar kind of blowback,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.100,0:24:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reactions, eight steps later,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.88,0:24:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have to stop and say,\N
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.86,0:24:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, really, is that unintended?"
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.64,0:24:52.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because as the saying goes,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.61,0:24:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Fool me once, shame on you."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.12,0:24:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Fool me twice, shame on me."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.03,0:24:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, you can't keep doing \Nthe same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.16,0:25:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do that with {\i1}mujahideen{\i0}: \N"Oops! Blowback!"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.13,0:25:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you go and you get these cells
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.44,0:25:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you take then to Turkey from Syria
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.69,0:25:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- These cells from Syria --
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.64,0:25:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You train them, you arm them,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.08,0:25:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you put them there, back into Syria.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.62,0:25:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You do the same thing with another cell:
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.93,0:25:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take them to Jordan, train and arm them,\Nput there,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.47,0:25:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing that, OK, they have...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.74,0:25:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or selecting, intentionally, extremists.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.79,0:25:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then events take place, and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.06,0:25:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oops! That was unintended."
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.78,0:25:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Because our intention was getting \Nthis, really, just like {\i1}mujahideen{\i0}"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.96,0:25:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all the other groups that \Nwe have used,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.95,0:25:38.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we consider them the freedom fighters.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.35,0:25:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For how long the United States \Nmedia glorified the {\i1}mujahideen{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.95,0:25:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That includes Osama bin Laden as \Ntheir commando, Zawahiri, in the '80s.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.08,0:25:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go and get the archives\N-- the newspaper articles, OK? --
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.59,0:25:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the clips from {\i1}NPR{\i0}, from {\i1}CNN{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.58,0:26:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you see is, they were glorified. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.72,0:26:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody even put anything like \N"Islamists" or "extremists"
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.56,0:26:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any of those adjectives in\Nassociation with these people.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.28,0:26:10.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were the great freedom fighters. \N
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.100,0:26:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They made Americans, all of them, \Ncheer for {\i1}mujahideen{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.42,0:26:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that they had... they were \Nstoning women, or doing...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.98,0:26:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they did, during those \Nyears as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.95,0:26:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were never exposed,\Nbecause those were irrelevant.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.30,0:26:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were the glorified freedom fighters.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.42,0:26:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Liberation armies, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.48,0:26:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, lo and behold:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.75,0:26:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one day they all turned to these awful, \Nferocious terrorists and al-Qaeda.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.11,0:26:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And their commandos became \Nthe top terrorists in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.18,0:26:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with these extreme belief \Nsystem and religious...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.75,0:26:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all those things happen: "Oops!" \NThose were like, "Ooh, we were caught"
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.43,0:26:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and we were shocked; \Nand we were so surprised"
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.79,0:26:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- supposedly.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.80,0:26:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, we are doing the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.92,0:27:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have been doing the same things.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.26,0:27:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take these people, arm them,\Ntrain them, manage them.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.42,0:27:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then later come and say, "Oops!"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.88,0:27:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look at what these people are doing."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.51,0:27:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"They are extremists. We did not..."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.92,0:27:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We did not account for these \Nkinds of reaction,"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.53,0:27:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and these kinds of practices \Nby these people."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.69,0:27:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So therefore, in no way these operations
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.93,0:27:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the consequences of the operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.10,0:27:25.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be considered blowback.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.03,0:27:29.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, the lastly, the most\Nimportant thing to look at is:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.11,0:27:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who benefits? Who benefits\Nfrom these operations?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.61,0:27:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the intended consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.82,0:27:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, whoever is the puppet President
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.70,0:27:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--whether it's Obama or Reagan --
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.43,0:27:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't really, personally benefit \Nfrom these.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.53,0:27:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not about the President.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.65,0:27:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not about a political party, \Nor the Republican Party:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.04,0:27:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of that, they got rich \Nor they became powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.14,0:27:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. So that... those are not the\Nbeneficiaries.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.84,0:27:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the people on the ground,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.59,0:28:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people in Syria, or people in Afghanistan,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.02,0:28:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're not the beneficiaries.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.90,0:28:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their homes have been wrecked,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.31,0:28:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have lost tens of thousands \Nof people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.58,0:28:11.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The American people haven't been \Nbetter off.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.47,0:28:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And either financially or security-wise.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.46,0:28:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So take the American people's\Ninterests out of the equation.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.16,0:28:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you look at the map,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.98,0:28:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you look at the situation, and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.85,0:28:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has become richer and more powerful,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.20,0:28:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a result of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.25,0:28:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what you see is, "Oh, look at this."
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.38,0:28:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without these wars, the sales and\Nthe stock prices
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.47,0:28:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the military-industrial complex
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.56,0:28:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would just plunge. I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.98,0:28:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think about a scenario where we\Ndon't have these wars.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.97,0:28:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are not engaged in Syria \Nand Afghanistan,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.03,0:28:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with the drones in Pakistan and Yemen.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.36,0:28:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who are they gonna sell it to, \Nthese drones and bombs?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.78,0:28:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, when you look at NATO,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.65,0:28:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you look at the militaristic \Nexpansion,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.92,0:29:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, let's say, with 9/11,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.88,0:29:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before 9/11, how many bases did \Nwe have in the region?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.78,0:29:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's in Eastern Europe, or \Nyou're looking at nations like Azerbaijan,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.42,0:29:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know they shut it down, but Manas\NAirbase in Kyrgyzstan:
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.56,0:29:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at how close they are to Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.15,0:29:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what made these possible
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.79,0:29:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the event that took place here,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.20,0:29:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the operation that took place here \Nin the United States, 9/11
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.46,0:29:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that gave us that legitimacy \N-- even though it's not legitimate --
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.75,0:29:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say, "OK, we don't have the Cold War,"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.60,0:29:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We don't have Russia,"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.89,0:29:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"but we need to expand our bases \Nand take over these countries."
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.34,0:29:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, those countries, with our\Nmilitary bases
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.62,0:29:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to protect ourselves again\Na new enemy
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.38,0:29:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the enemy that we create, put in place,\Nand manage.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.88,0:29:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So therefore, that's when \Nyou're looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.45,0:29:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the intended consequences
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.54,0:29:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,War, and who benefits from that.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.22,0:30:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many military bases Russia \Nhas put in place,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.44,0:30:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created, put in place,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.04,0:30:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the Cold War ended?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.94,0:30:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many military bases China \Nhas put in place, created
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.42,0:30:09.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and expanded and...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.100,0:30:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't see these.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.25,0:30:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But take a look at the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.18,0:30:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then start putting it with the \Ncover, legitimacy that they have done.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.66,0:30:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's always in the name of a great enemy
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.57,0:30:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have militaristically
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.60,0:30:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put these bases in these countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.60,0:30:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken over these countries \Nand their regimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.00,0:30:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or installing their regimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:32.37,0:30:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, without these operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.30,0:30:37.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without these wars, without \Nthese consequences,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.70,0:30:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we couldn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.77,0:30:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is how you, or anyone, could start
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.35,0:30:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting the two and two together, and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.08,0:30:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my father always taught me this,\Nwhen I was six, seven, eight years old.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.12,0:30:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, "Whenever you look at any wars,"
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.22,0:30:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"really look and see \Nwho benefits from it."
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.19,0:30:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's never the case of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.40,0:31:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not ever the case of those,\Nlet's say, American soldiers
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.36,0:31:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are losing their lives doing these
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.57,0:31:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,atrocious things overseas.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.47,0:31:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then who benefits/
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.08,0:31:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And once you get that answer
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.02,0:31:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and start to pinpoint the beneficiaries,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.30,0:31:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's when you can in-depth, \Ntruly understand
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.88,0:31:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what these wars, or these terror \Nincidents, or these conflicts are about.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.29,0:31:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a long answer. [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.76,0:31:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Well, yeah. And I suppose I'll \Njust hand you over to Pearse here.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.87,0:31:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I could pick up on a dozen\Nthings that you just said.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.99,0:31:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pearse, I know you wanted to kind of \Ncarry on on this topic of...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.75,0:31:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.67,0:31:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Not necessarily blowback, but,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.55,0:31:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consequences of where this \Nthing's going.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.97,0:31:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) Well, yeah, I guess with\Neverything that you've just been saying, Sibel,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.80,0:31:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taking {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}\Nas kind of a road map for how this works
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.37,0:31:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and again, it takes place around 2003,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.95,0:31:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can see how this is \Nstarting to form --
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.39,0:31:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it seems that right now we're \Nsort of starting
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.33,0:31:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reach a new level, perhaps
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.05,0:32:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the Gladio operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.87,0:32:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I guess my big question is,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.20,0:32:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the end-game scenario \Nfor Gladio B?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.17,0:32:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, even if there is one?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.00,0:32:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.04,0:32:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- it's already happening to a \Nslight degree
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.86,0:32:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in places like Azerbaijan or Kyrgyzstan --
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.91,0:32:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're seeing a lot of these mercenaries \Ntrained by NATO returning.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.60,0:32:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if one of the major goals of Gladio B
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.38,0:32:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the exploitation of natural resources,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.69,0:32:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like oil and gas,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.82,0:32:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and about encircling Russia,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.82,0:32:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how are... at what point does this \Nbecome untenable
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.93,0:32:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you've got these jihadis running \Nall over the place?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.74,0:32:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And kind of fleshing that out\Na little bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.24,0:32:42.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0} revolves \Naround Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.63,0:32:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was recently talking with \NChristoph Germann on our new show,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.97,0:32:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was mentioning that more\Nand more analysts
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.17,0:32:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are starting to come around to the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.87,0:32:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Turkey is entering this\NPakistan-ization
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.10,0:32:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's being broken up into \Nthese little areas
Dialogue: 0,0:32:59.35,0:33:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Gaziantep or Hatay, which \Nare right on the border
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.45,0:33:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Suruç, where Serena Shim \Nwas recently murdered
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.99,0:33:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're starting to resemble\Nmore and more
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.92,0:33:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places like Peshawar in the \N1980s and 1990s.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.34,0:33:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, the relationship between MIT,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.56,0:33:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Turkish intelligence and ISIS
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.37,0:33:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is somewhat similar to the ISI \Nand the Taliban.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.100,0:33:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I guess, is that really the direction\Nthat NATO and the CIA and MI6,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.32,0:33:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- the Deep State network -- \Nwant to go in?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.17,0:33:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it seems as if they're playing
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.01,0:33:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a very dangerous game here.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.59,0:33:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if Turkey really did become...\Nlike, a Pakistan-type scenario,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:37.76,0:33:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that really an intended \Nconsequence of this?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.87,0:33:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know, I don't want to keep\Nbringing back...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.76,0:33:45.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) No, absolutely. Absolutely, it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.83,0:33:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you have to look at the last, \Nlet's say, 8-10 years
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.33,0:33:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what's been happening with Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.28,0:33:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having countries...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.30,0:34:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- especially the countries that we\Ncontrol, our allies:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.79,0:34:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this case, you just said Pakistan: \Nvery similar. --
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.55,0:34:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having countries weak and not unified,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.30,0:34:10.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lots of internal chaos...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.99,0:34:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say in Turkey,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.05,0:34:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Turkey that has a lot of things \Ngoing on with the Kurdish sects.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.39,0:34:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Kurds executing some \Nterror operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.32,0:34:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the atrocity of Turkish militaries \Nagainst the Kurds,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.96,0:34:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the internal chaos created\Nby that division
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.10,0:34:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the Kurdish sects\Nand the rest of Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.38,0:34:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, to have other pockets.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.25,0:34:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Division along the extremist religious \Npeople there,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.64,0:34:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versus the secular.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.41,0:34:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what we have always intended\Nand we wanted...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.34,0:34:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and we {\i1}want:{\i0}\Nthis continues --
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.31,0:34:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for countries that are allies.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.83,0:34:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A strong, unified nation,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.17,0:34:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially for Middle East,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.38,0:35:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a strategically, geographically \Nstrategic nation,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.07,0:35:02.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is something that we never want.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.65,0:35:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We never want it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.42,0:35:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want Iraq that is divided between\NShia and Sunnis and Kurds.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.35,0:35:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because that makes Iraq much weaker,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.39,0:35:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore much more susceptible\Nto be a puppet nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.87,0:35:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To take over, to take over their oil.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.36,0:35:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing with Pakistan.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.36,0:35:20.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing with Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.62,0:35:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what has been scaring...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.37,0:35:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there has been so much
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.40,0:35:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on with the mainstream\Nmedia reporting on Turkey
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.04,0:35:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the past five, six years here\Nin the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.82,0:35:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a government that they don't like,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.77,0:35:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a country that has started \Nbecoming economically strong.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.24,0:35:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at what has been happening,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.60,0:35:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what really happened with \NEurope in 2008, 2009 and 2010,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.73,0:35:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turn around and look at what has...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.11,0:35:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- economically, I'm talking about --
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.50,0:35:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what has been happening during\Nthe same years,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.10,0:35:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those same years, in Turkey,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.58,0:36:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see Turkey was one of the \Nonly nations there in the region
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.94,0:36:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that with economy that actually\Ngot stronger and better
Dialogue: 0,0:36:04.83,0:36:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without all the havoc that was \Ntaking place in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.15,0:36:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's number one.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.35,0:36:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number two: you see what happened\Nwith the protests.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.26,0:36:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Gezi protests and all the chaos
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.14,0:36:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were completely scripted \Nand implemented in Turkey
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.30,0:36:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the United States, by the \NGladio operation
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.52,0:36:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being defeated. Because they... \Nand there was so much coverage
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.84,0:36:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they were talking about \Nthe elections coming
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.54,0:36:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Erdoğan was not gonna be elected.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.23,0:36:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Turkey still stood unified,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.67,0:36:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they re-elected this guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.13,0:36:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm not saying this guy is good \Nor is bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.33,0:36:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We never, ever, in the Middle East, \Nintend to have
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.52,0:36:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any allies that can be strong and unified.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.98,0:36:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So taking countries and making sure
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.52,0:36:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are bogged down by \Nall these divisions
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.94,0:37:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and internal conflicts between \Nvarious sects,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.47,0:37:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either along the religious lines, \NSunni versus Shia,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.60,0:37:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or along race, or along the ideologies:
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.44,0:37:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been the recipe of...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.08,0:37:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, this is really interesting\Nbecause, Tom,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.54,0:37:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is something that we took from...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.11,0:37:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- I don't want to say "inherited..." --
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.71,0:37:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but took from the Brits,\Nthe British Empire.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.90,0:37:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.64,0:37:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Because that has always been \Nthe modus operandi
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.64,0:37:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the British Empire. The divide \Nand conquer.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.88,0:37:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that has been, even in Iran,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.29,0:37:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's always been the tool utilized\Nand the modus operandi
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.07,0:37:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put in place and practiced by the \NBritish Empire,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.69,0:37:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is now part of the Gladio and \Nthe United States' modus operandi.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.59,0:37:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for... we don't want a strong Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.79,0:37:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want a peaceful, unified Turkey.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.82,0:37:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not want a strong Iraq.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.46,0:38:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, one of the...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.64,0:38:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at, when we were taking over Iraq...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.46,0:38:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- the war against Iraq, and then\NSaddam, and going in there --
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.57,0:38:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the things that made it\Nmuch easier...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.04,0:38:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and the chaos that's going on there,\Ncurrently, is completely intended --
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.21,0:38:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the country was not one country.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.16,0:38:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the north, you had these whole \Nbig Kurds who are against Saddam
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.03,0:38:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have had their internal wars\Nfor years and years
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.84,0:38:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between Saddam and the Kurds.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.52,0:38:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the south, we had the Shias.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.55,0:38:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the center, we had the Sunnis.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.18,0:38:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even during the First Gulf War,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.22,0:38:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, again, was used:
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.22,0:38:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Kurds in the north \Nand the Shias in the south,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.75,0:38:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, look: all the people that \Ngot massacred and killed
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.81,0:38:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and from all three sides.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.44,0:38:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's exactly what we want.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.77,0:38:47.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's exactly what the \NBritish Empire wanted before
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.86,0:38:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they re-drew the maps \Nof the entire region
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.77,0:38:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that includes, even, Africa.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.36,0:38:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The maps were drawn in such a way
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.21,0:39:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would keep these countries\Nto prosper, the region,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.21,0:39:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to be unified, and to be peaceful.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.52,0:39:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These maps, the borders,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.70,0:39:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were all drawn and created
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.45,0:39:14.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on the division and the \Ndividing lines
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.49,0:39:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the tribes, between \Nvarious religious sects.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.46,0:39:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So absolutely, this is intended.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.50,0:39:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as far as to what end,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.53,0:39:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is why the book gets into, \Nwell, Operation Gladio B
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.05,0:39:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be Operation Gladio C at some point
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.75,0:39:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Gladio C will be Gladio D
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.87,0:39:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because one region you don't\Nhear American media talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.70,0:39:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it China and the Xinjiang region.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.55,0:39:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They call it [East] Turkestan, \Nthey call it Uyghuristan.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.21,0:39:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Uyghurs, well, these are\Nthe Muslim minorities
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.88,0:39:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that region of China.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.89,0:39:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are Turkic heritage,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.14,0:39:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't hear much about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.64,0:39:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that is in the plan.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.94,0:39:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is part of Operation Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.08,0:39:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what we want, basically, is...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.65,0:40:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what's gonna happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.39,0:40:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're gonna see this happening
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.62,0:40:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the next, I would say, less than five,\Nsix years.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.70,0:40:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, once in a while, they talk\Nabout the US media
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.09,0:40:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how oppressive the Chinese regime \Nis against these people.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.64,0:40:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, these people, they don't\Nconsider themselves Chinese.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.72,0:40:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They consider themselves Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.24,0:40:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They consider themselves Uyghurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.80,0:40:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They consider themselves Turkic.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.24,0:40:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their language is Turkic, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.29,0:40:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want independence.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.69,0:40:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we have been cultivating that\Nfor the past...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.12,0:40:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since 1997, 1996 there, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.23,0:40:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what we want is
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.97,0:40:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want some of these terror incidents
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.28,0:40:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the escalation of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.17,0:40:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and getting China to increase its \Noppression and react,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.48,0:40:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because China wants to [xx] they just\Nwant to defend their interests,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.64,0:40:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then show that to the international \Ncommunity by saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.56,0:40:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look, these poor little minority \Ngroups there,"
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.35,0:40:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"They are being crucified. They are \Nbeing massacred"
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.85,0:41:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's almost like genocide."
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.96,0:41:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want this genocidal operation,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.42,0:41:09.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they want it to escalate to the point \Nof genocidal operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.15,0:41:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they want to push China into reacting
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.14,0:41:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turning this into a genocidal \Noperations.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.10,0:41:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then, with the consent of the \Ninternational community,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.08,0:41:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we go there, in there, and say we \Nare here to stand by the sects
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.49,0:41:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are such great nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.56,0:41:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We care a lot [laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.66,0:41:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about humanity.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.89,0:41:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we always have these great \Nintentions.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.12,0:41:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's always because we want to democrat---
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.64,0:41:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we bring democracy and\Ndemocratize a nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.100,0:41:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to protect some underdog.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.07,0:41:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to defend some minority groups
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.89,0:41:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we are that kind of nation, guys.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.17,0:41:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? That's what we always, \Nalways have done, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.72,0:41:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's always glorified.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.28,0:41:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We always intend good things.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.36,0:41:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And look, bad things happen as a result: \Nbut they are unintended.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.14,0:41:56.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, going back to "blowback."
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.57,0:41:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But once we have that,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.28,0:42:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once we have a situation escalate
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.96,0:42:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are pushing it to that degree
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.52,0:42:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- this is all planned: it's been in\Nmotion since 1996 --
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.48,0:42:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we're gonna say, "We've got to \Nhelp these guys,"
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.17,0:42:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"so we've got to put our military there,"
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.37,0:42:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's going to be another Taiwan.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.87,0:42:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the intention, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.61,0:42:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the objective.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.81,0:42:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to separate Xinjiang area \Nfrom the rest of mainland China.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.17,0:42:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will put a base there, in the name\Nof protecting these minorities,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.81,0:42:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're gonna turn it to \Nanother Taiwan.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.54,0:42:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the ultimate goal.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.58,0:42:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And look and see where Xinjiang is:
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.81,0:42:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only for us to get close to China \Njust the way we are doing with Russia,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.12,0:42:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with using the Caucasus and Central Asia,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.12,0:42:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the start for us with this \NXinjiang region
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.92,0:42:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to exactly implement the same objective,\Nthe same plan
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.20,0:42:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get close to China and close in\Non China.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.28,0:42:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's number one.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.48,0:42:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And number two, if you look at the \Npipeline scenario
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.18,0:42:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- this is for the oil and gas --
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.90,0:43:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the oil and gas resource-rich regions\Nof Central Asia and Caucasus,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.56,0:43:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you look at Turkmenistan \Nand Kazakhstan, et cetera,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.55,0:43:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you see all the business deals
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.34,0:43:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between China and these\NCentral Asia/Caucasus,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.55,0:43:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ex-Soviet nations...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.25,0:43:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--because how many billion people\Nare in China? --
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.28,0:43:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China has the greatest need for\Nenergy resources
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.11,0:43:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compared to any other nation \Nin the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.31,0:43:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They need this oil, they need this gas,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.17,0:43:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are putting all these pipelines \Nto bring...
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.08,0:43:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- with business deals --
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.34,0:43:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this needed gas and oil into China. \NInto mainland china.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.81,0:43:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, go and see where these pipelines \Npass through.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.04,0:43:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you start realizing the significance \Nof the Xinjiang region.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.04,0:43:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So by having our power, our military \Nboots on the ground,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.52,0:43:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our base there in Xinjiang,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.67,0:43:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only we are controlling getting \Nclose to China,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.44,0:43:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are sitting in the section
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.64,0:44:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the [xx] that the pipelines entry\Ninto mainland China.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.41,0:44:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can starve and deprive China of all \Noil and gas
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.05,0:44:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming from that region by sitting there.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.98,0:44:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's the area you don't hear much \Nfrom the mainstream media, US,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.89,0:44:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though so much has been\Ntaking place.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.10,0:44:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They only broadcast when China reacts\Nto some terror incidents that we manage
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.81,0:44:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- "we" being the United States, \NOperation Gladio --
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.57,0:44:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Xinjiang Uyghurs, and show\Nhow despotic they are.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.99,0:44:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, they go there and they are\Noppressing people, repressing people,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.50,0:44:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are killing people, they are\Njailing people,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.97,0:44:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,awful stuff that China is doing to \Nthese people, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.80,0:44:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't show the casualties of\Nwhen these groups, our groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.73,0:44:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implement terror operations in \Nmainland China,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.76,0:44:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we right away broadcast\Nwhat China did.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.27,0:44:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are basically massaging\Nthe peoples,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.89,0:44:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Americans and also\Ninternational communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.81,0:45:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even especially the Muslim region,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.24,0:45:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of, "Look, what is China doing \Nto these people?"
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.78,0:45:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing we've been doing with,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.44,0:45:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Look what Russians are doing \Nto Chechens!'
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.62,0:45:11.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Exactly{\i0} the same scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.59,0:45:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the same Operation Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.21,0:45:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, when you said, "To what end?"
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.58,0:45:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's... we are... we have these\Nobjectives in place.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.00,0:45:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not "we:" the Operation;\Nthe Operation Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.15,0:45:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And China and getting close,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.70,0:45:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controlling the entry of the needed oil \Nand gas into China
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.63,0:45:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thus containing China from becoming \Nthe superpower,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.77,0:45:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is in motion. And the same thing\Nwith Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.74,0:45:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course we have the prize \Nthere that we haven't done anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.22,0:45:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's for the next administration.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.25,0:45:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, we have Syria. \NWe had Libya before that.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.35,0:45:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yemen, Afghanistan with... we're\Ngonna stay there.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:53.26,0:45:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course that's gonna be our \Npermanent base.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:55.32,0:45:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no question about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.98,0:45:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pakistan is our puppet region.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.75,0:46:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, these regions sometimes\Nplay off of US against China.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.47,0:46:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"OK, so you do this, then I'm gonna\Ngo and make a deal with China."
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.01,0:46:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we don't want that, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.47,0:46:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, that ends up being\Nsome headlines once in a while,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.49,0:46:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the importance of it is way beyond\Nwhat the US media
Dialogue: 0,0:46:16.46,0:46:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represents in its reporting.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.56,0:46:20.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So of course the prize being Iran there.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.100,0:46:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And between Central Asia, Caucasus,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.33,0:46:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iran, Afghanistan,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.90,0:46:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the goal is whoever controls \Nthe resources,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.12,0:46:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the needed resources: the oil, the gas, the needed minerals --
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.14,0:46:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the superpower.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.95,0:46:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the sole empire of the globe, the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.83,0:46:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we have been doing it through\NOperation Gladio,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.98,0:46:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course with our more \Nmilitaristic covert wars.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.51,0:46:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then look at our competitors,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.75,0:46:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposedly our enemies,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.89,0:46:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,China and Russia:
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.92,0:46:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we haven't seen anything like that\Nfrom them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.08,0:46:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that is our modus operandi,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.66,0:47:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is the objective.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.29,0:47:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The objective is who is going to be \Nthe sole superpower,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.75,0:47:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the super-empire.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.16,0:47:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as long as that's the objective,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.79,0:47:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are the things we're \Ngonna be doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.50,0:47:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) Hmm. And I think that you're \Nreally right in pointing out that this is...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.55,0:47:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the situation in Xinjiang right now is \Nactually starting
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.90,0:47:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get more, sort of, intense;
Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.99,0:47:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're already seeing Uyghurs
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.67,0:47:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were fighting in Iraq \Nthat were captured.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.70,0:47:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seems that perhaps
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.08,0:47:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are entering into a different \Nphase of Gladio.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.94,0:47:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just briefly, I just wanted to take \Nyour take on
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.69,0:47:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tarkhan Batirashvili or Omar al-Shishani,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:35.42,0:47:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is the "Ginger Jihadi."
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.67,0:47:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he seems to have been thrust \Ninto the spotlight of ISIS.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.88,0:47:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a {\i1}Daily Beast{\i0} article calling\Nhim "The Bin Laden of the Group."
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.97,0:47:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, and then a little bit down\Nin the article they say,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.30,0:47:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, his brother is really the brains \Nbehind all of this."
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.53,0:47:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Batirashvili has a somewhat \Nsimilar background
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.28,0:47:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a character in {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}, \NYusuf Mohammed
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.39,0:48:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll leave that to the audience \Nto decipher who is is.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.40,0:48:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of course, Batirashvili was trained \Nby the Americans
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.08,0:48:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a Georgian Special Forces outfit,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.24,0:48:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fought against the Russians in Chechnya,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.02,0:48:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has repeatedly said that he wants
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.84,0:48:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to bring the fight back to Kadyrov \Nand Putin,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:13.61,0:48:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with not so much as a peep out \Nof Georgia.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.69,0:48:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just wanted to see and get your\Ntake on this, Sibel.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.46,0:48:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is this a, sort of, new ramping up?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.94,0:48:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we going to go from the small-scale\Nattacks like in {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.55,0:48:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the bombing in the Defense Ministry\Nin the beginning of the book,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.77,0:48:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a more, sort of, open war with Russia?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.17,0:48:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with, perhaps, this Batirashvili -- \Nthis white jihadi guy -- at the forefront?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.70,0:48:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) My answer, I guess, will have \Nthree different segments into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.35,0:48:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number one, that's right: you mentioned \Nthe character Yusuf Mohammed.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.30,0:48:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the biography, the summary short \Nbiography that you just mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:57.63,0:49:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fits exactly Ayman Zawahiri's.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.94,0:49:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mm.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.95,0:49:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? Ayman Zawahiri was jailed; \Nhe was tortured.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.92,0:49:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he went there and became the \Nlieutenant for Osama Bin Laden
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.23,0:49:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was fighting against Russia in... \Nwith {\i1}mujahideen{\i0} cell in Afghanistan.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.87,0:49:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you... as you said, you're looking \Nat the repeated bios.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.27,0:49:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the... the profiles are \Nso consistent.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.20,0:49:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, that's one of the other \Ninteresting things
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.64,0:49:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the United States and NATO,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.04,0:49:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Operation Gladio,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.62,0:49:33.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is the consistency.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.37,0:49:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really, you may see some small\Nvariations here and there,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.75,0:49:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you look at it overall,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.58,0:49:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the script is the same. The scenario \Nis the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.84,0:49:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, in a way: it's awful, but it's \Nalso boring.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.56,0:49:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But guess what?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.73,0:49:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it works, if it ain't break, \Ndon't fix it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.29,0:49:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how the saying goes?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.46,0:49:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It worked with Afghanistan,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.74,0:50:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it worked with... it has been working.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.30,0:50:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why change it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.86,0:50:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's number one aspect of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.06,0:50:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That the bios being exactly consistent\Nas the rest of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.44,0:50:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, Zawahiri and Yusuf Mohammed.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.94,0:50:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second part of it
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.44,0:50:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to do with the psychological \Naspects of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.58,0:50:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the psychological warfare,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.46,0:50:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also propaganda.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.58,0:50:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is when you put... let's say \Nyou have an enemy cell.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.71,0:50:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ISIS, ISIS, right? They are doing \Nthese ferocious things.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:30.09,0:50:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It goes only so far.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:32.61,0:50:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, let's say, look at the \NAmericans' opinion:
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.06,0:50:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these barbaric Muslims -- they\Nare Islamists, number one.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.02,0:50:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This is what Islam advocates,"
Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.58,0:50:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and these barbaric extremists,\Nthey're doing all this stuff. "
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.59,0:50:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Goes... it's effective; but it goes \Nonly so far.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.06,0:50:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you always need in a \Npsychological warfare and propaganda
Dialogue: 0,0:50:52.42,0:50:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to put a human, actual human face \Nand name to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.35,0:51:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because then, that makes it so\Npersonal, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:00.22,0:51:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because, as we did with Osama Bin Laden.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:05.23,0:51:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Showing the picture of that Khalid \NSheikh Mohammed.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.07,0:51:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That evil-looking guy, you know? \NHe's crazy, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.80,0:51:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"MOOONSTER!"
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.50,0:51:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we associate, when we think \Nabout the Americans...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.42,0:51:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, people,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.43,0:51:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we are thinking about these \Nhorrifying boogeymen.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.60,0:51:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't have, put some pictures \Nthere...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.08,0:51:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, it's like Freddy Krueger, \Nright?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.08,0:51:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freddy Kruger. I mean, you can write\Nall the stories about Freddy Krueger,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.86,0:51:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you don't create an image\Nthat goes with Freddy Krueger,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.58,0:51:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freddy Krueger can't become \Nthat monstrously scary, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.53,0:51:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Osama Bin Laden, with that long \Nbeard and the dark, piercing black eyes,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.91,0:51:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that screams evil, and you have Khalid \NSheikh Mohammed, that crazed guy there.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.33,0:51:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you are looking at\NAyman Zawahiri,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:51.67,0:51:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the photos when he's talking\Npassionate with his index finger up,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.54,0:51:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, the extremist Islamist \Nmullah with his headpiece.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.59,0:52:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, those are effective.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.42,0:52:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because just like Hollywood movies,\Njust like Freddy Krueger,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.98,0:52:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to have a human face \Nand name
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.40,0:52:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you make it synonymous with \Nwhatever cell
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.63,0:52:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have created and put in\Nplace, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.69,0:52:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's exactly what we are \Nseeing with this guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.70,0:52:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because ISIS, ISIL, IS -- they did this? \NOK, that's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.29,0:52:24.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now it's time to enter, to bring in
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.59,0:52:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and introduce the face that \Nrepresents it all.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.02,0:52:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, you have [xx] this person.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.90,0:52:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's the second segment.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.49,0:52:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as far as yet bigger war,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.45,0:52:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we are putting things in place \Nfor that if needed,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.66,0:52:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will offer my own\Nhypothesis theory.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:43.96,0:52:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I don't know this for a fact,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.82,0:52:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if someone were to ask me to speculate
Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.76,0:52:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say when and why... \Nwhen we would do such things,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.17,0:52:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of going into full-blown war,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.20,0:52:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is what I have to offer.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.16,0:53:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, this is based on my own analysis \Nand opinion,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.38,0:53:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not going to market it as,\N"Oh, this is pure fact."
Dialogue: 0,0:53:04.49,0:53:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.93,0:53:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, we are going to see much\Nmore stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.71,0:53:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Georgia, Abkhazia region.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.71,0:53:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had that -- what was it? -- six-day \Nwar, eight-day war a few years ago?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:14.94,0:53:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was just a warm-up.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.35,0:53:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But with Georgia's candidacy, \Nintegration into NATO that is coming,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.07,0:53:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is going to happen in that region.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:25.62,0:53:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're gonna see more conflict\Nand confrontation there.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.77,0:53:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similar to Ukraine, we're gonna see it \Nin the Abkhazia region there.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.25,0:53:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, these terror cells and \Nthe groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.88,0:53:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have already cultivated, \Nput together, put in place,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.81,0:53:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been managing in that region.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.35,0:53:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got a little bit of taste of \Nthat during
Dialogue: 0,0:53:44.43,0:53:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the so-called false flag Boston \Nbombing.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.10,0:53:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People started hearing,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:49.46,0:53:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least their ears got a little bit \Nused to,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.43,0:53:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this "Dagestan" region?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.01,0:53:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.83,0:53:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.79,0:53:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because ordinarily, most Americans: \Nthey don't like geography, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:53:58.42,0:54:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They like to view the world as this... \Nthe United States of America.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:03.08,0:54:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? It's huge.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.61,0:54:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, Turkey's the size of Texas, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.90,0:54:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I don't even know where Turkey \Nexactly is.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.93,0:54:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are a big country,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.90,0:54:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are just by ourselves here.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:11.98,0:54:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some countries and nations \Nwith weird names, oh,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.26,0:54:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousands of miles away.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.25,0:54:18.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who needs to know about them?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.43,0:54:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you were to ask Americans,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.40,0:54:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say 94 percent -- I'm just gonna \Nthrow a number here --
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.97,0:54:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you put the map and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:25.80,0:54:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"OK, put your finger on the region that\Nis considered Caucasus/Central Asia,"
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.72,0:54:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can guarantee you, if we were to \Nimplement this test,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.45,0:54:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would see that 94% of Americans,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.75,0:54:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their index finger would freeze \Nin the air.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:39.31,0:54:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What?" "Can you show me Kyrgyzstan?"\N"What's that?"
Dialogue: 0,0:54:43.15,0:54:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I'll just give you a quick... \Nit's not a joke, it's a real-life thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.62,0:54:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I started college, university \Nhere in the United States --
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.43,0:54:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is during my second, third year, \Nso this is not in high school
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.88,0:54:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is in college-level
Dialogue: 0,0:54:56.23,0:54:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this one guy in my class, he says, \N"You're from Turkey, right?"
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.42,0:55:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "Yeah, I'm from Turkey."
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.59,0:55:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says, "Turkey is in Saudi Arabia, \Nright?"
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.00,0:55:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"One of the nations in Saudi Arabia?"
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.38,0:55:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was like, "Oh my goodness."
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.14,0:55:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have made Saudi Arabia a continent,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.29,0:55:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Turkey a nation in that \Ncontinent called Saudi Arabia.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.08,0:55:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But unfortunately
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.13,0:55:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- this is a fact; this is true, OK? --
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.45,0:55:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we... I spent years living in \Nother countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.69,0:55:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived in Vietnam for a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:26.14,0:55:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived in Russia in 1992, right after \Nthe end of the Cold War.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.65,0:55:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have traveled to a lot of \Nplaces, to many, many countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.29,0:55:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when it comes to geography, \Nwith Americans,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.58,0:55:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never... I'm still amazed, OK? \NIt is just...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.03,0:55:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I traveled... another thing\NI noticed, like, when I was
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.36,0:55:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was there, when I was in Vietnam,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:49.93,0:55:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw all these backpackers\Nfrom Scandinavian nations
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.77,0:55:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Australia, New Zealand, a lot of Brits.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:56.77,0:55:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, they are 21, right\Nout of college.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.70,0:56:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or they are taking a break from college.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.54,0:56:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have their backpacks, and they \Nare traveling all over Laos and Vietnam.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.51,0:56:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I struck a friendship with a lot of \Nthese people.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:08.01,0:56:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You hardly see Americans doing that.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:10.43,0:56:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is this inherent desire to explore \Nthe world by some of those nations.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:16.87,0:56:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you don't see it much for Americans.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.21,0:56:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's another thing: that worldliness \Nwhich reduces xenophobia.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:23.70,0:56:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you start getting more familiar,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:25.37,0:56:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the culture and other traditions and \Npeople and races,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.33,0:56:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of reduces your xenophobia,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.69,0:56:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also it makes you an informed \Nperson about the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.08,0:56:40.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes you worldly. \NWell, you don't see that much in America.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.100,0:56:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, going back to the topic \Nof Kyrgyzstan,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.05,0:56:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I don't even know where that is,"
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.43,0:56:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are going to see this conflict.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.48,0:56:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have already planted that.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.02,0:56:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We said, "Let's make Americans \Nfamiliar with this name Dagestan"'
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.34,0:56:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dagestan and terrorism have become \Nkind of synonymous
Dialogue: 0,0:56:57.72,0:56:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks to the Boston bombing.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.25,0:57:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Chechen, Dagestan, these people came,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.76,0:57:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're extremists.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:02.71,0:57:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're somehow related
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.53,0:57:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to either al-Qaeda or Jamaati \N[sic: Jabhat?] al-Nusra... whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:08.11,0:57:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that region has many, \Nmany terrorists, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.43,0:57:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are going to reintroduce that\Ntopic again as a nation,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:14.61,0:57:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Operation Gladio, when the time\Ncomes, which is going to be soon
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.75,0:57:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Georgia, Abkhazia region.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.93,0:57:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as far as a bigger war with Russia,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.37,0:57:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I doubt it under current circumstances. \NThat's my opinion,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.68,0:57:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of Putin and who Putin is.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.37,0:57:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, Putin's rating went \Nup in Russia,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:32.46,0:57:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Putin's popularity really went\Nup there.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:35.99,0:57:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Putin has been portrayed, \Neven here by US media,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.06,0:57:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a tough, nationalistic leader \Nin Russia, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.00,0:57:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because Putin is standing up \Nto the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.02,0:57:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did -- he and the Russians --
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.02,0:57:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we were talking about going\Ninto Syria two years ago, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.72,0:57:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course what we saw with Ukraine.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.04,0:58:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My theory is just like the limited \Nopposition framed and controlled,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:02.51,0:58:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe there is... we have Putin tied,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:07.32,0:58:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and into a certain degree, Putin \Ncan only do it so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.69,0:58:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're going to say, why that is?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:16.07,0:58:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of, again, our modus operandi \Nhas been...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.10,0:58:23.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and you see it a lot in Operation Gladio-related sections
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.67,0:58:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0} --
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.39,0:58:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is blackmail and collecting crap, \Nshit from people, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:30.44,0:58:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we do it with Congress.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:32.13,0:58:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even with the FBI we did it. FBI had files\Non some top figures in the House.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.89,0:58:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just in the operation that involved \NTurkey and the Turkish lobby, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.52,0:58:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was involved in my case.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.72,0:58:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but CIA has been doing it forever,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.91,0:58:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since its inception and creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:54.23,0:58:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some Presidents, \Nand we do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.38,0:58:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise they won't become President.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:59.84,0:59:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the qualifications, \Nrequirements.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:02.31,0:59:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, the book {\i1}The Lone Gladio {\i0}\Ngoes into that.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.25,0:59:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be qualified to get to that level,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:07.60,0:59:09.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that level of power seat,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:09.15,0:59:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to have a lot of dirt, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:11.60,0:59:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That makes you a viable candidate.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.23,0:59:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you are controllable.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.18,0:59:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you don't have lots of skeletons \Nand dirt,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:19.87,0:59:22.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not as easily controllable.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.37,0:59:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's pure and simple. Well we've been \Ndoing that with, also, world leaders.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:28.54,0:59:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just came out and leaked that, OK,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:31.03,0:59:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been collecting dirt on Angela \NMerkel, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.31,0:59:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With this NSA spying: her personal \Nphones were being listened to, correct?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.81,0:59:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, why would we do that? \NThink about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:43.07,0:59:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because at any given time...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.86,0:59:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say someone like Angela Merkel, if\Nshe was not the scumbag that she is, OK?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:49.26,0:59:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we decided that you know, Germany, \Nor this country or that country,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:54.73,0:59:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not backing us with this,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.56,0:59:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would happen if we...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.12,1:00:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- "We," the United States; \NOperation Gladio --
Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.13,1:00:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would release to the media in France,\Nor in Germany, or in UK?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:08.58,1:00:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All sorts of recorded tapes,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.32,1:00:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also maybe some Internet activities
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.69,1:00:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing that this particular leader \Nis a pedophile, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:18.39,1:00:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say... you know, let's say Sarkozy.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.49,1:00:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just giving you a hypothetical\Nexample.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:23.16,1:00:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would happen if all these pictures \Ncome out
Dialogue: 0,1:00:27.61,1:00:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Sarkozy has been having
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.12,1:00:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this relationship with five, \Nsix-years-old boys
Dialogue: 0,1:00:32.46,1:00:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, through... and he's been a pedophile?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:35.64,1:00:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you imagine right away that leader \Nnot disappearing from that country?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.44,1:00:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have that power, because we've \Nbeen... we've been doing this a lot.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.48,1:00:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We first use what we collect on the \Nworld leaders in terms of blackmail
Dialogue: 0,1:00:48.90,1:00:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by saying, "You know what? You don't\Ndo this and we will expose this."
Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.76,1:00:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? Number two, if needed, we would \Ndo that.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:57.18,1:01:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some things happen with the Bakayev \Nfamily in Kyrgyzstan
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.15,1:01:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of things are associated with that \Nthat I'm not gonna get into right now.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.86,1:01:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But with Putin, it's already estimated\Nthat his net worth, his wealth,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:11.58,1:01:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is way over $500 million dollars, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.94,1:01:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where is his money?\NAs of 2003, 2004 --
Dialogue: 0,1:01:18.82,1:01:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is based on direct, \Nfirst/second-hand information
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.44,1:01:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from people within intelligence community
Dialogue: 0,1:01:24.99,1:01:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of his wealth is kept in the Greek \Nportion of Cyprus, the banks there.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.22,1:01:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're... so if intelligence \Nagencies,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:36.20,1:01:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CIA, and even through \Ncounterintelligence monitoring FBI,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.40,1:01:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knows and has all the information\N
Dialogue: 0,1:01:44.54,1:01:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about where Putin keeps some \Nof his wealth,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.58,1:01:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if some other leader\Nkeeps it in Dubai,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.11,1:01:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this ones keeps it -- let's say, \Nhypothetically speaking,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.74,1:01:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Putin keeps it in certain banks in Malta?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.07,1:01:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? Malta is another important place.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:58.68,1:01:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody talks about it,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:59.52,1:02:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in terms of the money laundering \Nand the financial operations center
Dialogue: 0,1:02:04.40,1:02:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in Cyprus.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.29,1:02:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if this were to come out in Russia -- \Nhow did he get this wealth, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.06,1:02:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because this is the nation's wealth\Nthat leaders go and take out, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:14.80,1:02:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In countries like... whatever countries \Nthat you look at.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.15,1:02:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And where they are kept.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.07,1:02:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.70,1:02:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- and this is the Operation Gladio,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:23.34,1:02:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the United States,\Nthis is the UK --
Dialogue: 0,1:02:25.34,1:02:28.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can make Putin a scandalous leader
Dialogue: 0,1:02:28.97,1:02:32.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and take away all his popularity
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.43,1:02:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in less than a day, if they wanted to.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.21,1:02:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they wanted to.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:38.08,1:02:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you are looking at a leader, \Nlet's say in Russia, that has to
Dialogue: 0,1:02:43.52,1:02:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,balance... has to balance two things.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:47.76,1:02:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number one, to appeal to the \Nnationalistic side of its nation
Dialogue: 0,1:02:52.64,1:02:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because any leader of Russia has to \Nkind of be tough
Dialogue: 0,1:02:57.60,1:02:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to the Western powers, \Nright?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:59.73,1:03:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it was not that long ago
Dialogue: 0,1:03:01.24,1:03:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Russia was the Soviet Union.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:03.87,1:03:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the second empire in the world.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:05.81,1:03:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the Western empire, and it\Nwas the Soviet Union, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.19,1:03:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in order to stay in power,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.60,1:03:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that leader has to appeal and maintain \Nthat faith of the people there,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:16.96,1:03:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he's tough, and he can stand up.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.58,1:03:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's not a butler, OK? He's not weak.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:21.74,1:03:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can stand up to the United States.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.40,1:03:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can growl and say, "Rawwwrr!" OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:26.34,1:03:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe bark a little bit, and say,\N"Woof, woof!" OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.87,1:03:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, he won't bite.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:31.47,1:03:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because then that leader has \Nto balance it.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.41,1:03:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we know Russia has a \Nlot of corrupt people.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.45,1:03:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that. I lived there for a\Nyear, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:41.31,1:03:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know how a lot of top-level\NKGB, former KGB people
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.94,1:03:51.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got to be some of the top business\Npeople we hear about today,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:51.19,1:03:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with hundreds of million or billion\Ndollars net worth.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.15,1:03:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that... you need a leader that \Ncan growl,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:59.16,1:04:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can bark a little bit when the \Nsituation arises,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:02.51,1:04:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and appeal to his people's \Nnationalistic tendencies.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.30,1:04:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They still have that pride, Russians.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.67,1:04:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But yet, do it to a certain degree,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:13.37,1:04:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not totally piss off and totally \Nstand up to
Dialogue: 0,1:04:16.41,1:04:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Western nations that have \Nthe blackmail power.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:20.12,1:04:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That have the power to expose him, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.46,1:04:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, I believe, what we see \Nwith Putin.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:26.74,1:04:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do see some really \Nnice-looking growling,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.15,1:04:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a little woof-woof,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:31.82,1:04:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Putin is not going to bite.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:33.67,1:04:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as long as Putin is in this position,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.92,1:04:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe that we are going to \Nsee a full-blown war with Russia.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.79,1:04:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not gonna happen, because \Nanother thing you should look at is,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:45.46,1:04:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask yourself,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:46.94,1:04:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm gonna ask, because you both
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.41,1:04:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are experts with this whole area\Nand the region,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:52.21,1:04:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how come Russia really hasn't done \Nanything in the past 15 years
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.07,1:05:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the United States and NATO \Nhas been closing in to Russia's borders
Dialogue: 0,1:05:05.54,1:05:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by taking over Azerbaijan,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:08.32,1:05:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, until last year, Manas, \NKyrgyzstan;
Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.84,1:05:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Georgia, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.59,1:05:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you start looking at all this,\Nand say, "Whoa!"
Dialogue: 0,1:05:19.82,1:05:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about it!
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.91,1:05:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why, for the past 14, 15 years, \NRussia hasn't become really antsy.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:26.85,1:05:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Saying, "Well, these are my \Nbackdoor neighbors."
Dialogue: 0,1:05:29.41,1:05:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"They're right there on my border."
Dialogue: 0,1:05:31.22,1:05:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think about it: why not?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.76,1:05:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me put it on the other hand and say,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:35.25,1:05:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would happen...
Dialogue: 0,1:05:36.48,1:05:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imagine, what would happen if Russia\Nstarts building closer relationship
Dialogue: 0,1:05:41.08,1:05:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- business relationship; militaristically, \Nrelationship --
Dialogue: 0,1:05:43.38,1:05:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Mexico,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.78,1:05:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and starts coming to Mexico \Nand put a huge base there
Dialogue: 0,1:05:47.91,1:05:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 15,000 boots on the ground \Nin the base, with Mexico?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.49,1:05:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it would be chaos!
Dialogue: 0,1:05:53.65,1:05:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you imagine?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.30,1:05:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, we would not, as United \NStates, let it get to that point, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:59.34,1:06:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even as a notion would arise,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:02.62,1:06:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would start using what power we\Nhave with Mexico, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.21,1:06:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And do everything: that would not happen.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:09.49,1:06:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would not happen. Not...
Dialogue: 0,1:06:11.97,1:06:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in Canada, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:13.23,1:06:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or even let's go further:
Dialogue: 0,1:06:14.60,1:06:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would happen if, Russia says,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:16.100,1:06:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Now I'm gonna go and put a base,"
Dialogue: 0,1:06:18.33,1:06:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"because I have now put this \Nrelationship,"
Dialogue: 0,1:06:20.09,1:06:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because a lot of these nations, \Nall you have to do is make a contract,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:23.10,1:06:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business contract for $15 billion \Ndollars,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.22,1:06:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have the country and its leader.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.74,1:06:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm gonna put it in Panama, OK? \NWhere the canal is. ;
Dialogue: 0,1:06:29.79,1:06:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put myself strategically in that \Nsituation.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.38,1:06:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you {\i1}imagine{\i0} that being allowed?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:35.39,1:06:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wouldn't even come {\i1}close{\i0}\Nto implementation.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:38.73,1:06:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, let's go back to the other side.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:42.00,1:06:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How come, for the last 15 years,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.07,1:06:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russia has not made a peep, sound, \Nabout the United States, NATO,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:50.10,1:06:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going and putting all these bases in all\Nthese countries right along its borders?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:53.82,1:06:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.72,1:06:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:06:55.21,1:06:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) I actually don't know,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:56.67,1:06:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I see it as...
Dialogue: 0,1:06:58.21,1:07:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Abkhazia and now South Ossetia,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:01.17,1:07:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Russia might sort of be saying, \N"If you're gonna keep moving,"
Dialogue: 0,1:07:05.10,1:07:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Then we'll take these little tiny \Nareas,"
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.15,1:07:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And what are the Georgians going to do?"
Dialogue: 0,1:07:09.92,1:07:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't know. I'd like to hear your...
Dialogue: 0,1:07:12.34,1:07:13.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) That's right.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:13.17,1:07:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that would be similar, it would\Nbe parallel to saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:16.86,1:07:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would let Russia to come and \Nput this bases in, let's say, in Mexico,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:22.88,1:07:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then if Russia starts coming \Ntowards Texas
Dialogue: 0,1:07:26.92,1:07:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do something right along \Nthe Texas border,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.06,1:07:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then US may flex its muscle.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:32.42,1:07:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we would never let that happen \Nin the first place,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:35.24,1:07:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put ourselves in that vulnerable\Nsituation.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.06,1:07:43.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even the stupidest Russian \Ngeneral, Russian strategic analyst,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:43.77,1:07:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would know from 15 years ago
Dialogue: 0,1:07:46.01,1:07:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that putting these bases by US and\NNATO in Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.54,1:07:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would definitely lead to what \Nwe saw happening with Ukraine, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:07:56.18,1:08:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the preparation for this\Nstarted taking place in mid-'90s.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:00.92,1:08:03.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When after the fall of the Soviet Union,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:03.29,1:08:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we started seeing with Eastern Europe \Nand all these nations,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.06,1:08:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna get closer \Nand closer and closer:
Dialogue: 0,1:08:10.14,1:08:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during this entire period \Nof 20 years, almost,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:13.21,1:08:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russia and Russian leaders...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:15.47,1:08:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we know what kind of Russian \Nleaders we had even before Putin, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:08:18.67,1:08:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gorbachev? Very nationalistic, you think?
Dialogue: 0,1:08:21.30,1:08:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russia sat there and let the \NUnited States and NATO
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.36,1:08:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,closing up on it, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:08:27.98,1:08:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And closing in, closing in, and \Nnow we saw the stuff with Ukraine,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:32.54,1:08:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we're gonna be seeing\Nwith Georgia.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:34.58,1:08:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was allowed to happen.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:36.17,1:08:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't stand up and say, \N"Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa!"
Dialogue: 0,1:08:39.11,1:08:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Over my dead body! You're not coming \Nthis close!"
Dialogue: 0,1:08:41.76,1:08:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:43.08,1:08:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meaning, Russia never went to war \Nfor any of these places,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.01,1:08:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the colonizations that we have been \Nputting in place in that region.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.70,1:08:52.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't need to have any war \Nwith Russia.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:52.56,1:08:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't even have any kind of\Na posturing war with Russia.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.96,1:08:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It happened, very easily. Smooth sail.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.32,1:09:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus, this is why I'm thinking
Dialogue: 0,1:09:01.15,1:09:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the chances of having a full-blown\Nwar with Russia is highly unlikely,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:06.28,1:09:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}unless{\i0}, unless, we have been \Nreading the notion and the fact
Dialogue: 0,1:09:12.08,1:09:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a revival of nationalism \Nin Russia.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:15.61,1:09:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That people, they're... the segment,\Nthe nationalistic segment saying, OK,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:22.25,1:09:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,initially, at the end of Cold War, I went \Nto Russia.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.53,1:09:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived there for almost a year.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:26.62,1:09:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was this huge desire \Nof Westernization,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:30.05,1:09:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially in Saint Petersburg\Nand Moscow.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:32.01,1:09:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I arrived in Moscow from Saint P, \Nbecause my base was in Saint Petersburg,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:37.10,1:09:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the day that the first McDonald's \Nopened In Moscow,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:39.58,1:09:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this big center there.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.06,1:09:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as we were approaching
Dialogue: 0,1:09:44.54,1:09:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that downtown section where \NMcDonald's opened,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:46.92,1:09:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the traffic was just stood still.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:49.45,1:09:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had this line -- and it was a\Nvery big McDonald's building --
Dialogue: 0,1:09:53.53,1:09:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was this line that wrapped around \Nthis McDonald's building for the opening
Dialogue: 0,1:09:59.43,1:10:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was, like, going around about \N14, 15 times.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:04.29,1:10:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you would stand them up in \None linear line,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:07.22,1:10:12.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would see almost quarter mile of\Na line in front of the first McDonald's.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:12.17,1:10:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a huge deal, OK?
Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.54,1:10:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it was...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:17.35,1:10:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was during the shock stage of the\NSoviet Union disappearing.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:23.02,1:10:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People didn't know what to think.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.99,1:10:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had this desire of openness, \Nthey can wear the...
Dialogue: 0,1:10:27.79,1:10:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can have lipstick. They can go \Nand buy this lipstick.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:30.31,1:10:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to buy it from the\Nblack market.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:32.23,1:10:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the country was saturated \Nwith all these vultures
Dialogue: 0,1:10:36.03,1:10:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the US and from Europe.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:37.74,1:10:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who were there to take away things \Nquickly, while things were cheap.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:41.45,1:10:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was this US group that was buying
Dialogue: 0,1:10:44.47,1:10:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the high-value downtown real estate.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:46.92,1:10:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no regulation.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:48.93,1:10:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it was total chaos,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:50.94,1:10:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Western nations were\Ntaking advantage of it.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.18,1:10:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were just placing themselves,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:55.18,1:10:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were putting their boots, \Nbusiness boots, on the ground.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:58.36,1:10:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Russians were just too baffled.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:59.94,1:11:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were excited about all the \NWestern things.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:02.92,1:11:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were a bit shocked: they couldn't \Nbelieve that the Soviet Union was over.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:07.23,1:11:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that era of shock and awe for them
Dialogue: 0,1:11:11.89,1:11:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started kind of wearing off around 2002, \N2003.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:16.12,1:11:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, gradually, we are seeing, to a \Ncertain degree,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:20.51,1:11:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this revival of nationalism in Russia, \Nby people who are...
Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.19,1:11:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe ex-generals,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.86,1:11:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe some other ex-intelligence\Nfigures from KGB era
Dialogue: 0,1:11:31.42,1:11:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are seeing the fact that their \Nmother nation is being surrounded.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:35.58,1:11:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they are looking, maybe, at Putin,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:38.30,1:11:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying,\N"How could you let this happen?"
Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.40,1:11:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK? And it's the Russian pride.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.31,1:11:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if, for example, Putin is toppled,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:47.27,1:11:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we see a more real, nationalistic \Nleader come into power,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:53.94,1:11:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, sure: I would say, then it would be\Nlikely to see some direct confrontation
Dialogue: 0,1:11:58.48,1:12:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Russia. But as of now, with Putin, \Nwith his limited woof and bark,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.69,1:12:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say no: it's not likely. It's not.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.82,1:12:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it were going to happen, we would\Nhave seen it even with Ukraine.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.20,1:12:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:12.63,1:12:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just saw some level of posturing.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:14.80,1:12:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it made him look taller, \Nand his rating went up.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:20.75,1:12:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then I was reading just last week,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:22.57,1:12:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's been going gradually \Ndown again.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:25.18,1:12:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it gave hope
Dialogue: 0,1:12:27.17,1:12:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that nationalistic feeling \Non the ground in Russia
Dialogue: 0,1:12:29.93,1:12:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that yeah, they're... our leader is\Nstanding up!
Dialogue: 0,1:12:32.98,1:12:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not gonna let this happen!
Dialogue: 0,1:12:34.40,1:12:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, it happened.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.93,1:12:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really, with Ukraine, if you see, \Nit really happened.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.50,1:12:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's also important to note \Nthat at the end of the day,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:44.84,1:12:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of these people, while they might \Nbe confrontational in public,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:48.37,1:12:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are essentially working towards the \Nsame end goals
Dialogue: 0,1:12:51.46,1:12:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, you know, the really, really \Nindependent leaders...
Dialogue: 0,1:12:55.20,1:13:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- people like Gaddafi or the former \NPresident of the Ivory Coast --
Dialogue: 0,1:13:00.48,1:13:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, those people are taken out.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.06,1:13:04.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're really... they're just murdered \Nand overthrown.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:04.19,1:13:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, any sort of independent \Nleader like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:06.94,1:13:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know, you do have to \Nwonder sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:09.18,1:13:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I know we've been talking now \Nfor quite a while,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:12.43,1:13:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Tom, you've been a little quiet,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.31,1:13:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so before we wrap up, Tom,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.15,1:13:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you have any quick questions \Nyou'd like to ask Sibel?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:18.66,1:13:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) No, but I am thinking \Nabout this subject
Dialogue: 0,1:13:23.01,1:13:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this question that you've raised,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.67,1:13:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not 100 percent convinced\N-- I'll say that much -- but...
Dialogue: 0,1:13:33.08,1:13:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is an interesting question.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:35.92,1:13:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe that would be a good place \Nto kick off
Dialogue: 0,1:13:38.23,1:13:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a further conversation on this,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:39.82,1:13:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we've perhaps got to the end\Nof our conversation
Dialogue: 0,1:13:45.12,1:13:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0} per se
Dialogue: 0,1:13:46.85,1:13:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a lot of this stuff that's spinning \Nout from this conversation, I think,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:50.50,1:13:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is certainly worthy of greater\Ndiscussion.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.46,1:13:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd be interested to see \Nhow our differing approaches
Dialogue: 0,1:13:58.11,1:14:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of, how we could marry\Nthem together,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:00.64,1:14:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at least delineate differences \Nbetween our perspectives on this.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:05.14,1:14:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, I mean, yeah. Perhaps we'll leave \Nit here,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.69,1:14:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hopefully in the near future, \Nthe three of us can explore this again.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:11.88,1:14:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I do think we're starting \Nto, now,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:14.10,1:14:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get into some really\Ninteresting territory.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:16.79,1:14:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, I'd like to thank both \Nof you guys
Dialogue: 0,1:14:19.66,1:14:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for joining me today. It was a \Nwonderful conversation.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:22.01,1:14:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) And quickly, Sibel: \Nwhere can they find
Dialogue: 0,1:14:24.60,1:14:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}? Where can \Nthey find your work?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:26.89,1:14:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Sure. {\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0} is \Navailable via Amazon,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:31.72,1:14:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both print book and also \Nelectronically through Kindle.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:35.07,1:14:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but people who don't want to \Ndeal with Amazon,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.51,1:14:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can purchase it directly from \Nthe website TheLoneGladio.com
Dialogue: 0,1:14:43.75,1:14:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can have, even, signed copies.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.28,1:14:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those are the two top places, \Nand easiest places,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:51.05,1:14:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people to obtain, purchase,\N{\i1}The Lone Gladio{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:14:55.27,1:14:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even if they just go to \NTheLoneGladio.com website,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:58.65,1:15:00.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will see the links from there
Dialogue: 0,1:15:00.73,1:15:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all the other channels where\Nthey can get the book,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.51,1:15:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either electronically or in print.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.26,1:15:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) And Tom, I'm sure that almost \Nall my listeners
Dialogue: 0,1:15:07.22,1:15:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know where to find your work,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.18,1:15:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've always got new people coming,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:11.14,1:15:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so please, tell everybody about \Nyour website,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.18,1:15:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your podcast, and your novel as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:15.56,1:15:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or -- excuse me! -- not a novel:\Nbook. [laughs]
Dialogue: 0,1:15:18.10,1:15:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Sure. I mean, my main website \Nis SpyCulture.com,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:22.76,1:15:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on there you'll find links to my book \Nabout 7/7, {\i1}Secret Spies and 7/7.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:15:28.39,1:15:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also do an about fortnightly podcast\Ncalled {\i1}ClandesTime{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.56,1:15:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's available on {\i1}Spy Culture{\i0}\Nand on YouTube.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:34.56,1:15:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anybody who hasn't already \Nchecked that out, please do.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:37.42,1:15:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) All right. well, thank you both, \Nagain, for joining,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.38,1:15:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hope we can pick this up\Nagain soon.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.94,1:15:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thanks so much.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:44.98,1:15:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sibel) Thank you. Sorry for dominating\Nthe conversation.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:46.95,1:15:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So next time, I really want to hear \Nyour perspectives on this.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:50.28,1:15:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, with some of the answers,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:51.95,1:15:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have had only hypotheses \Nor some theories to offer,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:54.92,1:15:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not as concrete fact,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.63,1:15:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I would love to get your opinions \Non that.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:58.63,1:16:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also, thank you for the opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.44,1:16:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was great, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:02.12,1:16:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Tom) Thank you Pierce, and thank you \NSibel. it's been great talking to both of you.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:05.96,1:16:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Pearse) OK, everybody.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.86,1:16:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that about does it for this episode of {\i1}Porkins Policy Radio.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:16:11.75,1:16:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all for joining me and\Nlistening to this podcast.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:14.65,1:16:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you enjoyed this and you'd \Nlike to hear some more,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:17.03,1:16:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then please visit \NPorkinsPolicyReview.wordpress.com
Dialogue: 0,1:16:20.76,1:16:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there you can find all of the\Npodcasts free for download.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.97,1:16:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can, of course, find them on \NYouTube also,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:26.51,1:16:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you use YouTube, then please, \Nplease subscribe to my YouTube channel,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:30.78,1:16:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is YouTube.com/1138porkins
Dialogue: 0,1:16:35.26,1:16:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also definitely follow me on \NTwitter @porkinspolicy,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:39.55,1:16:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can also follow the podcast \Nthrough the RSS feed,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:42.64,1:16:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also through email blasts as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.86,1:16:49.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just have a few quick programming \Nnotes before I completely sign off.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:49.39,1:16:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just want to thank everybody who listened\Nto the second episode
Dialogue: 0,1:16:53.91,1:16:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of me and Christoph Germann's \Nnew podcast,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:55.51,1:16:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Porkins Great Game{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:57.69,1:17:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've gotten tremendous feedback \Nand lots of hits on that episode.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:02.46,1:17:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm really grateful for everybody\Nthat's been listening to it
Dialogue: 0,1:17:07.09,1:17:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and putting it up on social media, \Nand whatnot like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:10.48,1:17:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's been really great.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:11.57,1:17:15.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, you can find that on the \Nmain site, as well as on YouTube.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:15.45,1:17:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just want to say one other \Nquick thing.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:18.06,1:17:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know that I made a promise...
Dialogue: 0,1:17:19.86,1:17:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it was actually the last time\NI spoke to Sibel
Dialogue: 0,1:17:22.94,1:17:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would have two episodes up \Non {\i1}Porkins Policy Radio{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:27.51,1:17:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One dealing with Scientology,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:29.13,1:17:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one dealing with Jim Jones \Nand The People's Temple.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:31.55,1:17:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I just want to say that I have \Nnot forgotten about that,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.45,1:17:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have been doing quite a bit\Nof research on Jim Jones.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.06,1:17:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that'll probably be \Nthe episode,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:40.21,1:17:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next episode for \N{\i1}Porkins Policy Radio.{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.47,1:17:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So definitely stay tuned, and look out \Nfor that one on the horizon. \N
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.10,1:17:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, we will be speaking with \Nboth Sibel and Tom again very soon,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:52.80,1:17:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and expand on some of the issues that \Nwe discussed, again, in this podcast.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:56.17,1:17:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with that, I just want to \Nthank everybody.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.79,1:18:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, if you liked this podcast, \Nplease tell a friend.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:02.75,1:18:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Email it to someone, put it up on \Nyour social media, whatever:
Dialogue: 0,1:18:06.10,1:18:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just help spread the word, because... and\NI just want to say, the fans have been...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:10.53,1:18:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the listeners are just fantastic.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:12.39,1:18:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone has been promoting the show,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:14.72,1:18:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's really fantastic.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:16.55,1:18:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a quick shout-out to James Corbett,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:18.79,1:18:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who included this podcast and me \Nand Christoph's podcast
Dialogue: 0,1:18:23.30,1:18:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as one of the podcasts that he listens\Nto in his Reddit AMA.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:29.39,1:18:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was very cool and very awesome,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:31.27,1:18:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thanks so much, James.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:32.70,1:18:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think we're there, we're gonna\Nleave it,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:34.71,1:18:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will be talking to you very soon.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:35.91,1:18:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ [ Philip Glass – “Mishima/Closing”\N({\i1}Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters{\i0}) ] ♪
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