9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Hey, It's time for Windows Weekly. It's the show that sticks in your brain like a Windows 10 nag screen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ. The digitial jesuit in for Leo the Fourth who is currently, on a boat. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But of course, it's a special edition because we got Paul Thurott and Mary-Jo Foley, they are bringing the fire to Microsoft Ignite. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Uh, Mary-Jo, Paul, so good to see you, you're in some sort of? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: It's a connector. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: It's a connector. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm not sure what that means,at ome point you're going to have to tell me, but, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You look good, you sound good, and it's nice to have you straight from one of the biggest microsoft events of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Tell me, for the folks who haven't watched windows weekly, and are joining us for this show, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What is Microsoft Ignite supposed to be? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: What is it supposed to be? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What it is, is the biggest show in the world for IT hosts[br][br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 20,000 people 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: 25 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -25,000 people, all of them crammed into this room[br]Off of a small hallway between two gigantic conference centers[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: It's the show for everything. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -It's like the show for all microsoft technologies.[br]Windows, sharepoint, (inaudible)...everything you would like in one show, no xbox. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr. Ballecer) Wait, no xbox? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 There was a small bit of onedrive news this week, that justified my travelling here.[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now, every year at Ignite, we seem to be walking away with takeaways.[br]Things that you like the most.[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You've had just a little bit of time and I understand[br]it was a late night because 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo decided you need to try every craft beer in Atlanta,[br]But, what have been the big ticket items so far? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Big Picture, I would almost say security. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yep, for sure. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Security, artificial intelligence, machine learning, as well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Well the transformation of the cloud. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Right.[br]-Which is kind of ongoing.[br]-Definitely. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So I feel like the messaging we hear is microsoft is all in, in the cloud. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All in on security. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All in on sharepoint. I have to keep going back to sharepoint. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - Who doesn't. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Everyone. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I know, security is pretty across the stack. When you think that its a big deal its not just high tech security[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not just server icloud security 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's security even in the fabric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Right, it's a hybrid. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The message was hybrid. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What microsoft means by hybrid cloud is a little more comprehensive than some of the other members. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I found a new way to get quite excited,[br]Hybrid is an activity, right? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Oh, that would get her very agitated. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Has there been much talk about Windows 10, internet of things edition? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 No.[br]-No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A little but not alot. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Actually, there really hasn't been alot of windows 10 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 There was obviously some security enhancements in the anniversary update, some coming things as well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Edge is getting some sort of security isolation technology. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That may or may not make it's way to other apps, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Browsers. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - That was code named Barcelona. Did you know that?[br]- Now I do. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thats a really interesting feature because it's suppose to use containers in windows 10. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the browser to isolate possible malicious attacks, and be able to detonate those to the side. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, very interesting technology, something we'd heard rumored. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I thought it might have been a previous version windows 10. Never made it, so its looking like red stone 2. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yea, Spring.[br]-Spring. "Whatever that means". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Some of the news has been trickling back here from the day 1 keynote when Scott officially made the announcement that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Windows 10 is now on 400 million devices. How solid of a number do you find that? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course we've dropped down from the official target of a billion devices by the end of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Will they make half a billion before the holiday season? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thats interesting.[br]- I think so, do you? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So at the current clip, no. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course you see a seasonal bump because of the holiday. It's possible. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They don't have that kind of a goal, right? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They were talking about 1 billion active PC's by 2018.[br]-2018[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's moved out a bit obviously since the original proclamation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which I'm sure they regret. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But they do still plan and expect to get up to 1 billion active devices. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Around that time or slightly later, perhaps. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They still are saying 1 billion, yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Right, I would be surprised if they hit half a billion by the end of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Would that count devices that have been upgraded then downloaded several times? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Yea, that would get counted twice, ha ha! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Because, I've got like 15 devices on this laptop. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Actually it's interesting as you move from selling software to store 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where you can say we shipped x number of these boxes 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 To counting something that seems a little more ebulous 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Just monthly average users or in windows 10 case, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 active devices. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This is actually an instance where this is a more meaningful real world number 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it's instances of the op system running and being used actively. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's actual users, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the past when ms used to sell 20 million in windows 7 licences a month. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It was a real sale. It was something they could put down in the books. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But those things weren't neccesarily brought up and running 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Most of them probably were not a month 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's the nature of that style of accounting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think for normal people, looking for something that is a real world metric 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 active devices is a real good one this time[br]-yea. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 An accurate one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It does make it a little hard to compare it to previous versions 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and how they were doing at this point 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 With windows 7 they weren't talking about active users. It was a different metric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, I think this a good metric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think it means people are actually using it vs. just have it on a shelf somewhere. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 For use maybe one day.[br]-Exactly. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Or maybe running another version because alot of time 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in windows 7 day, it's hard to imagine they would have went back to vista but 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 alot of businesses might have been running XP 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in other words, what they're buying is a windows 7 license 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because thats what ms is selling but you get downgrade rights on that licence. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They might have gone back to an earlier version of the OS 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Hard to tell from those numbers how many people [br]were actually using it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which is why you see shared numbers from market share or whatever are kind of interesting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 MS can look at how many machines are hitting win update everyday or whatever 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Mmhmm. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Get figures that way as well.[br]-yep. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Would there be a better way to count this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Is there a better metric that would show actual engaged windows 10 users? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think for windows this is the most accurate way to gage the success of this thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think this is the way to go. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They don't do this with everything else. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 One of the things we sort of complain about is you try to understand how microsofts various businesses, they have 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 different ways of judging the success of different businesses 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or products. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 When the xbox one fell behind the PS4 for example, they stop sellling 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 guess how many of these things they sold 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now they talk about engagement. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which is things like number of hrs. spent on xbox live. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 against number of hrs. playing games against other people.. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think those numbers have their value.[br]-Yea. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Like with windows, I sort of feel like those sales mean something 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it's a retail product literally shipped in boxes[br]-right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A sale's a sale. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Those kind of things make sense. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Obviously they're accounting for things in different ways depending on the product 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Have either of you been able to play at all or see a demo of one of the technologies that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 was announced at ignite? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That is that edge is gonna run in a micro vm 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 not a regular vm, but a very lightweight vm that should 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 sandbox it off completely from the rest of your system 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm excited by this, I saw a demonstration 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of similiar technology that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 was released over at the intell developer forum 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I couldn't believe how far they come, it was so fast to load 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it was basically a 15 milisecond delay over what you would get 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just starting the app. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Is that hitting the floor, can you actually see it, or 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is it in the preannouncement stage? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's gonna come out to insiders first and it hasn't come out to them yet 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, i dont think unless there's some sort of simulation demos 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I dont think so. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: So its a RS2 feature, something thats gonna come 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the spring. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's probably gonna come to other applications in windows, in 3rd party apps, and 3rd party browsers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which where it gets interesting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not because I feel that edge is ever going to have meaningful usage here but 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You want to protect the whole range of users obviously 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So hopefully that happens quickly as well 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: If you go back and you look at what ms done in this space 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they're were all these ms research projects 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 dating back 10 years 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where they were trying to figure out what you could do 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the browser 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to isolate potential malware attacks, malware and other kinds of attacks 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and I feel like this has finally becoming a product 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 now that they've researched all that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Other things like gazelle, all these weird code names coming out of 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ms research 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where they were doing the work in that space 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I feel like this thing barcelona, has to do with containers, windows 10 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is kind of the fruition of all that.[br]-yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Maybe maturing is the wrong way, but sort of an evolution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 on thinking behind security for a long time was trying to 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 proactively figure things out 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 use machine learning and different things 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Frankly, we're almost at the point now you want to control 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the scope of damage so we sort of almost accept that on a clients system someway 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 something is gonna happen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If you can relegate that and have it stay in that one place 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you're impacting the security of everybody in a very positive way 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that's a very important thing to do 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think this edge and some of the other things we see 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in windows 10, office 365, across the stack 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is kinda aimed at that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 These things are gonna happen 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Let's just isolate it to the place where it happens[br]Mary Jo: yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And prevent it from spreading. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) I like that idea that this is gonna spread to other apps of the programs in the windows ecosystem 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or even 3rd party because 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ultimately, isn't this where we go 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If windows 10 becomes really secure, shouldn't it essentially become a hypervisor 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and everything and just runs in micro vms 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Todd: Right its almost the universal windows app 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 universal windows pocket app model 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 contain everything, virtualize everything 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and keep everything seperate from each other[br]Mary Jo: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Apply to security.[br]-yup. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What needs to happen between now and then? So what's holding us up from running everything in vm? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This has actually been in the news for windows for quite a while 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that windows 10 was gonna support this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It seems like only the enterprise nerds are really excited about it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's where it hits first[br]Mary Jo: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where hypervisors are already are in windows 10 containers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is the enterprise version 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's gonna be there first, I would guess. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Todd: It's a step too, isolation technologies 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is whatever form they take 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Containers and whatever kind. App v or med v back in the day 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 These are the type of technologies (I'm getting attacked, heh)[br](Mary Jo laughing) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That debut in the enterprise 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Both laughing!) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm literally collecting flys.[br]Mary Jo: You are! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Welcome to Atlanta! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Todd: I had BBQ for lunch, I..[br]Mary Jo: Lemme try again 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yea, hit me please 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Thud!) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Ha! Ha! Ha! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Sorry, I kinda got it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) She wasn't even aiming for the fly! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Sorry.[br]-That really hurt. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We have to talk a little about Assure, about cloud