9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Hey, It's time for Windows Weekly. It's the show that sticks in your brain like a Windows 10 nag screen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm Fr. Robert Ballecer, SJ. The digitial jesuit in for Leo the Fourth who is currently, on a boat. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But of course, it's a special edition because we got Paul Thurott and Mary-Jo Foley, they are bringing the fire to Microsoft Ignite. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Uh, Mary-Jo, Paul, so good to see you, you're in some sort of? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: It's a connector. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: It's a connector. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm not sure what that means,at ome point you're going to have to tell me, but, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You look good, you sound good, and it's nice to have you straight from one of the biggest microsoft events of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Tell me, for the folks who haven't watched windows weekly, and are joining us for this show, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What is Microsoft Ignite supposed to be? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: What is it supposed to be? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What it is, is the biggest show in the world for IT hosts[br][br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 20,000 people 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: 25 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -25,000 people, all of them crammed into this room[br]Off of a small hallway between two gigantic conference centers[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: It's the show for everything. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -It's like the show for all microsoft technologies.[br]Windows, sharepoint, (inaudible)...everything you would like in one show, no xbox. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr. Ballecer) Wait, no xbox? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 There was a small bit of onedrive news this week, that justified my travelling here.[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now, every year at Ignite, we seem to be walking away with takeaways.[br]Things that you like the most.[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You've had just a little bit of time and I understand[br]it was a late night because 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo decided you need to try every craft beer in Atlanta,[br]But, what have been the big ticket items so far? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Big Picture, I would almost say security. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yep, for sure. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Security, artificial intelligence, machine learning, as well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Well the transformation of the cloud. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Right.[br]-Which is kind of ongoing.[br]-Definitely. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So I feel like the messaging we hear is microsoft is all in, in the cloud. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All in on security. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 All in on sharepoint. I have to keep going back to sharepoint. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - Who doesn't. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Everyone. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I know, security is pretty across the stack. When you think that its a big deal its not just high tech security[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not just server icloud security 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's security even in the fabric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Right, it's a hybrid. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 The message was hybrid. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What microsoft means by hybrid cloud is a little more comprehensive than some of the other members. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I found a new way to get quite excited,[br]Hybrid is an activity, right? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Oh, that would get her very agitated. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Has there been much talk about Windows 10, internet of things edition? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 No.[br]-No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A little but not alot. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Actually, there really hasn't been alot of windows 10 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 There was obviously some security enhancements in the anniversary update, some coming things as well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Edge is getting some sort of security isolation technology. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That may or may not make it's way to other apps, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Browsers. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - That was code named Barcelona. Did you know that?[br]- Now I do. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thats a really interesting feature because it's suppose to use containers in windows 10. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the browser to isolate possible malicious attacks, and be able to detonate those to the side. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, very interesting technology, something we'd heard rumored. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I thought it might have been a previous version windows 10. Never made it, so its looking like red stone 2. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yea, Spring.[br]-Spring. "Whatever that means". 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Some of the news has been trickling back here from the day 1 keynote when Scott officially made the announcement that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Windows 10 is now on 400 million devices. How solid of a number do you find that? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course we've dropped down from the official target of a billion devices by the end of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Will they make half a billion before the holiday season? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thats interesting.[br]- I think so, do you? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So at the current clip, no. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course you see a seasonal bump because of the holiday. It's possible. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They don't have that kind of a goal, right? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They were talking about 1 billion active PC's by 2018.[br]-2018[br] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's moved out a bit obviously since the original proclamation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which I'm sure they regret. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But they do still plan and expect to get up to 1 billion active devices. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Around that time or slightly later, perhaps. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They still are saying 1 billion, yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Right, I would be surprised if they hit half a billion by the end of the year. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Would that count devices that have been upgraded then downloaded several times? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Yea, that would get counted twice, ha ha! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Because, I've got like 15 devices on this laptop. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Actually it's interesting as you move from selling software to store 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where you can say we shipped x number of these boxes 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 To counting something that seems a little more ebulous 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Just monthly average users or in windows 10 case, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 active devices. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This is actually an instance where this is a more meaningful real world number 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it's instances of the op system running and being used actively. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's actual users, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In the past when ms used to sell 20 million in windows 7 licences a month. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It was a real sale. It was something they could put down in the books. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But those things weren't neccesarily brought up and running 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Most of them probably were not a month 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's the nature of that style of accounting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think for normal people, looking for something that is a real world metric 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 active devices is a real good one this time[br]-yea. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 An accurate one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It does make it a little hard to compare it to previous versions 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and how they were doing at this point 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 With windows 7 they weren't talking about active users. It was a different metric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, I think this a good metric. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think it means people are actually using it vs. just have it on a shelf somewhere. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 For use maybe one day.[br]-Exactly. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Or maybe running another version because alot of time 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in windows 7 day, it's hard to imagine they would have went back to vista but 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 alot of businesses might have been running XP 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in other words, what they're buying is a windows 7 license 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because thats what ms is selling but you get downgrade rights on that licence. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They might have gone back to an earlier version of the OS 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Hard to tell from those numbers how many people [br]were actually using it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 which is why you see shared numbers from market share or whatever are kind of interesting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 MS can look at how many machines are hitting win update everyday or whatever 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Mmhmm. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Get figures that way as well.[br]-yep. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Would there be a better way to count this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Is there a better metric that would show actual engaged windows 10 users? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think for windows this is the most accurate way to gage the success of this thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think this is the way to go. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They don't do this with everything else. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 One of the things we sort of complain about is you try to understand how microsofts various businesses, they have 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 different ways of judging the success of different businesses 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or products. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 When the xbox one fell behind the PS4 for example, they stop sellling 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 guess how many of these things they sold 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Now they talk about engagement. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which is things like number of hrs. spent on xbox live. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 against number of hrs. playing games against other people.. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think those numbers have their value.[br]-Yea. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Like with windows, I sort of feel like those sales mean something 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because it's a retail product literally shipped in boxes[br]-right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A sale's a sale. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Those kind of things make sense. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Obviously they're accounting for things in different ways depending on the product 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Have either of you been able to play at all or see a demo of one of the technologies that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 was announced at ignite? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That is that edge is gonna run in a micro vm 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 not a regular vm, but a very lightweight vm that should 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 sandbox it off completely from the rest of your system 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm excited by this, I saw a demonstration 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of similiar technology that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 was released over at the intell developer forum 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And I couldn't believe how far they come, it was so fast to load 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it was basically a 15 milisecond delay over what you would get 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 just starting the app. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Is that hitting the floor, can you actually see it, or 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is it in the preannouncement stage? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's gonna come out to insiders first and it hasn't come out to them yet 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So, i dont think unless there's some sort of simulation demos 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I dont think so. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: So its a RS2 feature, something thats gonna come 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the spring. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's probably gonna come to other applications in windows, in 3rd party apps, and 3rd party browsers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which where it gets interesting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not because I feel that edge is ever going to have meaningful usage here but 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You want to protect the whole range of users obviously 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So hopefully that happens quickly as well 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary-Jo: If you go back and you look at what ms done in this space 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they're were all these ms research projects 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 dating back 10 years 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where they were trying to figure out what you could do 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in the browser 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to isolate potential malware attacks, malware and other kinds of attacks 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and I feel like this has finally becoming a product 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 now that they've researched all that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Other things like gazelle, all these weird code names coming out of 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ms research 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where they were doing the work in that space 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I feel like this thing barcelona, has to do with containers, windows 10 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is kind of the fruition of all that.[br]-yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Maybe maturing is the wrong way, but sort of an evolution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 on thinking behind security for a long time was trying to 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 proactively figure things out 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 use machine learning and different things 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Frankly, we're almost at the point now you want to control 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the scope of damage so we sort of almost accept that on a clients system someway 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 something is gonna happen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If you can relegate that and have it stay in that one place 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you're impacting the security of everybody in a very positive way 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that's a very important thing to do 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think this edge and some of the other things we see 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 in windows 10, office 365, across the stack 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is kinda aimed at that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 These things are gonna happen 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Let's just isolate it to the place where it happens[br]Mary Jo: yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And prevent it from spreading. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) I like that idea that this is gonna spread to other apps of the programs in the windows ecosystem 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or even 3rd party because 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ultimately, isn't this where we go 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If windows 10 becomes really secure, shouldn't it essentially become a hypervisor 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and everything and just runs in micro vms 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Right its almost the universal windows app 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 universal windows pocket app model 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 contain everything, virtualize everything 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and keep everything seperate from each other[br]Mary Jo: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Apply to security.[br]-yup. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 What needs to happen between now and then? So what's holding us up from running everything in vm? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 This has actually been in the news for windows for quite a while 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that windows 10 was gonna support this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It seems like only the enterprise nerds are really excited about it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That's where it hits first[br]Mary Jo: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Where hypervisors are already are in windows 10 containers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is the enterprise version 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's gonna be there first, I would guess. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: It's a step too, isolation technologies 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is whatever form they take 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Containers and whatever kind. App v or med v back in the day 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 These are the type of technologies (I'm getting attacked, heh)[br](Mary Jo laughing) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That debut in the enterprise 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Both laughing!) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm literally collecting flys.[br]Mary Jo: You are! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Welcome to Atlanta! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: I had BBQ for lunch, I..[br]Mary Jo: Lemme try again 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 -Yea, hit me please 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Thud!) 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Ha! Ha! Ha! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Sorry, I kinda got it 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) She wasn't even aiming for the fly! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Sorry.[br]-That really hurt. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We have to talk a little about Assure, about cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Of course that's been a big focus 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Something I heard on the keynote 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Surprised me, was that ms really liked this idea of pushing for azure as just not a service platform 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Not something you just drop something else on top of 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Which seems to be a little counter trend that we're seeing in the industry 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 More and more vendors are coming out like vm ware saying 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "We want you to not care about what cloud service you're on" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 "In fact, we want you to use multiple cloud services without being able to tell the difference" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Why is ms going in that direction? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Are you talking more hybrid now? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Like how they're kind of redefining hybrid or defining it? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Precisely, the new definition of hybrid is not just cloud and premise 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's premise, cloud, cloud, cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 You should be able to use multiple cloud vendors, without even knowing the difference 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: Right, and also, Scott made this point repeatedly, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 some other vendors that talk about hybrid, what that means to them 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 is being able to plug your ipram to your cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and thats all it means. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 He kept emphasizing during the keynote, we also need common api, common resource manager 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We're talking about all different levels of the stack even up to things like the database 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We wanna make it a common environment so that if you 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 If youre on pram the cloud isn't so foreign 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and it's easier to connect to. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But it's not a pure networking thing. ' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Like plug your iprom into the cloud. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and this is where azure stack plays in, which is ms 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 coming hybrid system where its going to be kind of a 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 a custom version of azure on premises hardware 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 That partners and customers can run on their own data centers. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So even that is just a piece of ms hybrid strategy. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I feel that ms has a much more complete strategy there. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Yea, thats exactly right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: The word is comprehensive. Aside from the obvious stuff, ms is the only vendor that can bring on prem systems into this world 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 In stages, deployments, I'm sure in the early days we thought 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It would be all cloud at some time but realistically, it will be mostly cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and a combination of private, public cloud and i pram going forward, whatever 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 ms pushes things in interesting ways, you think about the ireland email issue 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 you want to have data that is different countries for different reasons, a country like Germany 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 where you have laws on data from that country 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has to be stored in that country 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and they address those issues 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it's kinda obvious how that happened 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 but then the next step is what about multi-national companies? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 what about companies with branches everywhere 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 how do you determine the data from various parts 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 of that company is stored. Thats the next step. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: There are rumors that google tomorrow 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thursday, is going to announce along the lines of what they mean by hybrid 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 or even private cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Try not to laugh 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: I'm trying not to, yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think that its interesting ms made this a big theme 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 because they know something is coming tomorrow 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I dont know what it is, alot of rumors 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: It doesn't matter what it is, google had an internet in a box solution 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 at one point.[br]-yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I don't think they offer anymore 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Google's a great company, great technology, great solution for alot of people and companies 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But they'll always be bound by the fact that they're a cloud kind of company 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Thats when they came of age 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 MS biggest advantage in some way is that it grew up with 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the enterprises that it serves. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's making this transformation to the cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It can bring these companies with them 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 and offer them both sides of the equation 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I'm sure whatever they offer will be fantastic. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's no way they can address this to the way ms can. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: Right 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It's funny I see over and over analysts 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 watch this industry's saying of course ms wants hybrid cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they've got all this on premises stuff 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 what are they going to say otherwise? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think if ms had it's choice, it would love if everybody was in their cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: They'd prefer that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 They would rather have you get off of on prem 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I feel that because ms has the enterprise chops and the enterprise customers 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 they understand that not everybody can bring every workload 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 to azzure 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: And most don't want to right now and that's the point 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (inaudible) Thats where the customers are 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: And also, comliance reasons, they're alot of reasons 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 that people can't move everything to the cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 When you hear people like amazon say "nobody really wants private cloud" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 it goes against what I hear people say. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Public cloud with 2 day shipping. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: I think the fly is in my hair, btw. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) Did you go for the fly again? Just give it a bigger whack 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - It's ok[br]-I'm here to help, ha ha. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 (Fr.) We also had the announcement that Adobe is going to be using 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Azure as the "preferred cloud provider" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: See you got, yea 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: That's an interesting one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 We were discussing this earlier, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 - So one of the big things at the keynote that we didn't mention 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 was MS charted out Adobe and said "Hey bud, btw, Adobe is now using Azure as it's preferred cloud vendor" 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So try and parse this and figure out what that actually means 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 has been interesting. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I wondered if it meant any Adobe services in adobe's cloud or in aws because alot of 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 other services are on aws are now moving to Azure. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 A press release that MS put out did not say that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 So I don't feel like I could say that 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Paul: Alot of people took it that way.[br]- I know. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 I think the reality is that adobe that MS serves companies have different needs 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Some of them for some reason may want to go to aws[br]-Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 And that will be their option. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 MS is the preferred vendor[br]- For some. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 It doesn't mean its going to be the vendor[br]- I know 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Mary Jo: It wasn't clear because they talked about the creative cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 the document cloud, the marketing cloud all coming to 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 Azure, right 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 But, if I were MS, I acutally got Adobe to only host on my cloud 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 my headline would've been a little different on that press release.