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Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.79,0:00:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Οι άντρες ονειρεύονται τις γυναίκες\NΟι γυναίκες ονειρεύονται τον εαυτό τους να τις ονειρεύονται
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.28,0:00:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Οι άντρες κοιτούν τις γυναίκες\NΟι γυναίκες βλέπουν τον εαυτό τους να τον κοιτούν
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.33,0:00:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Οι γυναίκες διαρκώς συναντούν βλέματα που λειτουργούν σαν καθρέφτες
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.13,0:00:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,υπενθυμίζοντας τους την εμφάνισή τους ή πώς αυτή θα έπρεπε να είναι.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.82,0:00:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Πίσω από κάθε ματιά υπάρχει μια κρίση.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.94,0:01:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Κάποιες φορές η ματιά μου συναντούν είναι η δική τους, αντανακλούμενη από έναν πραγματικό καθρέφτη.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.12,0:02:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Μια γυναίκα πάντα συνοδεύεται, εκτός όταν
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.21,0:02:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,είναι τελείως μόνη της. Και μπορεί ακόμα και τότε, από
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.21,0:02:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,την εικόνα του ίδιου της του εαυτού. Καθώς περπατάει,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.16,0:02:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,διασχίζοντας ένα δωμάτιο, ή κλαίγοντας για τον θάνατο του πατέρα της
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.26,0:02:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,δεν μπορεί να αποφύγει να συλλαμβάνει τον εαυτό της, να περπατάει ή να κλαίει
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.33,0:02:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,από την παιδική ηλικία, διδάσκεται και πείθεται να επιθεωρεί τον εαυτό της συνεχώς
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.92,0:02:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Πρέπει να επιθεωρεί όλα όσα είναι και όλα όσα κάνει διότι
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.30,0:02:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ο τρόπος που εμφανίζεται στους άλλους και ειδικότερα ο τρόπος που εμφανίζεται στους άντρες
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.64,0:02:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,είναι ζωτικής σημασίας, καθότι
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.84,0:03:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[music]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.08,0:03:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A woman in the culture of privileged Europeans,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.37,0:03:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is first and foremost a sight to be looked at.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.87,0:03:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of sight is revealed in the average European oil painting
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.43,0:03:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were portraits of women as there were portraits of men.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.49,0:03:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in one category of painting, women were the principle
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.45,0:03:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ever occuring subject, that category was the nude.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.72,0:03:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the nudes of European painting, we can discover some of the criteria
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.20,0:03:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and conventions by which women were judged.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.15,0:03:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can see how women were seen.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.91,0:03:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What then is a nude?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.61,0:04:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In his book on the nude, Kenneth Clark says that being
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.20,0:04:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naked is simply being without clothes
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.13,0:04:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the nude, according to him, is a form of art
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.63,0:04:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would put it differently.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.14,0:04:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be naked is to be oneself.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.97,0:04:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be nude is to be seen naked by others and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.19,0:04:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet not recognized as oneself. A nude
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.72,0:04:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to be seen as an object in order to be nude.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.31,0:04:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the European oil painting, nakedness is not taken for granted
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.08,0:04:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in archaic art. Nakedness is a sight for those who are dressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.98,0:04:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is why Manners's painting which really marks the end of a period I am considering is so
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.09,0:04:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,profound a comment on all the works that preceded it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.27,0:04:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the story begins with the story of Adam and Eve as told in Genesis.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.06,0:04:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and it was a delight for the eyes,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.25,0:05:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the tree was desired to make one wise
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.95,0:05:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she took of the fruit thereof and did eat
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.66,0:05:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she gave also to her husband with her, and he did eat.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.20,0:05:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the eyes of them both were opened, and they
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.66,0:05:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knew that they were naked
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.53,0:05:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Lord God called out to the man and said
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.07,0:05:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where art thou? and he said
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.54,0:05:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.66,0:05:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hid myself
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.59,0:05:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unto the woman God said, "I will greatly
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.42,0:05:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow, thou shall bring forth children,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.27,0:05:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they desire will be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.96,0:05:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two things are striking about this story.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.40,0:05:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They become aware of being naked because, as a result of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.33,0:05:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eating the apple, each sees the other differently
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.70,0:05:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nakedness is created in the mind of the beholder.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.56,0:05:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second striking fact is that the woman
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.45,0:06:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is blamed and is punished by being made subservient to the man
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.43,0:06:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In relationship to the woman, the man becomes the agent of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.59,0:06:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In medieval art, the story is often illustrated scene following scene
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.04,0:06:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in a strip cartoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.43,0:06:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During the Renaissance, the narrative sequence disappears, and the single moment
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.09,0:06:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is nearly always depicted, is the moment of shame.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.85,0:06:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The couple wear fig leaves or make a modest gesture with their hands
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.39,0:06:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now, their shame is not so much in relationship to one another as is to the spectator.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.56,0:06:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the spectator looking which shames them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.94,0:06:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later, as painting became more secular,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.93,0:06:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many other subjects offer the opportunity for painting nudes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.08,0:06:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But always in the European tradition, the nude implies an awareness of being seen
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.17,0:06:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the spectator. They are not
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.05,0:06:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naked as they are, they are naked as you see them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.25,0:07:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often, as with the favorite subject of Suzanna and the elders,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.85,0:07:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the actual theme of the picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.04,0:07:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We join the elders to spy on her.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.11,0:07:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She looks back at us looking at her.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.96,0:07:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes the woman, Suzanna, looks at herself
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.76,0:07:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the mirror, picturing herself as men see her.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.22,0:07:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She sees herself first and foremost as a sight
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.93,0:07:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means as a sight for men.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.86,0:07:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus the mirror is a symbol of the vanity of women
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.80,0:07:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet the male hypocrisy in this is blatant.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.25,0:07:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You paint a naked women because you enjoy looking at her
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.76,0:07:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you put a mirror in her hand, and you call the painting vanity
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.45,0:07:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thus morally condemning the woman whose nakedness you have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.61,0:08:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depictured for your own pleasure
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.92,0:08:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thus, incidentally, repeating the biblical incident by
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.49,0:08:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blaming the woman
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.67,0:08:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Judgement of Paris is another famous mythological subject with the same
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.34,0:08:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in written idea of looking at naked women and judging them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.58,0:08:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paris awards the apple to the woman he finds most beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.07,0:08:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beauty in this context is bound to become competitive.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.54,0:08:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The judgement of Paris is transformed into a beauty contest.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.00,0:08:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aesthetics when applied to women are not
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.22,0:08:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as disinterested as the word beauty
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.61,0:08:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might suggest
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.24,0:08:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to deny the crucial part that seeing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.27,0:08:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plays in sexuality, but there's a great difference in being seen
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.41,0:08:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as oneself naked or being seen by another in that way
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.48,0:08:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a body being put on display
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.30,0:08:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be naked, is to be without disguise.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.61,0:09:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be on display, is to have the surface of one's own skin,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.37,0:09:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hairs of one's own body
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.47,0:09:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turned into a disguise.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.56,0:09:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A disguise which cannot be discarded.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.52,0:09:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amongst the tens of thousands of European oil paintings
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.92,0:09:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of nudes, there are perhaps 20 or 30 exceptions, paintings in which the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.43,0:09:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,artist has seen the woman revealed as herself.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.92,0:09:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Rubens
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.34,0:09:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Rembrant
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.19,0:09:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this George De La Tour
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.34,0:09:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These paintings are as personal as love poems
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.90,0:09:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their character is quite distinctive
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.84,0:09:44.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most nudes oil paintings have been lined up
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.43,0:09:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by their painters for the pleasure of the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.82,0:09:49.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,male spectator only
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.55,0:09:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who will assess and judge them
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.09,0:09:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as sights
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.66,0:09:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their nudity is another form of dress
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.44,0:09:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are condemned to never being naked
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.77,0:10:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with their clothes off, they are as formal
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.11,0:10:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as with their clothes on
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.05,0:10:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are not judged beautiful, are not beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.16,0:10:13.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are, are given the prize.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.100,0:10:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The prize is to be owned.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.08,0:10:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is to say, to be available.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.40,0:10:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles II commissioned this secret painting
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.77,0:10:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Lale. It's like hundreds of others,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.96,0:10:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it might be Venus and Cupid, but
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.24,0:10:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact, it was a portrait of one of his mistresses Nell Gwen.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.06,0:10:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He chose her passively looking at the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.93,0:10:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spectator staring at her naked.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.72,0:10:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her nakedness is not an expression of her own feelings
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.74,0:10:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is only a sign of her submission to his demand
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.51,0:10:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The painting, when he shows it to others,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.94,0:10:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demonstrates this submission. His guests envy him.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.23,0:10:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By contrast, in another tradition, nakedness is a celebration of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.69,0:11:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,active sexual love as between two people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.52,0:11:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the woman as active as the man
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.57,0:11:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the actions of each absorb the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.49,0:11:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In oil painting, the second person or the second
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.45,0:11:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person who matters it the person looking at the painting.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.21,0:11:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Compare these two women.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.87,0:11:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One the model for what is considered a masterpiece by Eng
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.18,0:11:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other an ill paid model for a photograph in a girly magazine
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.59,0:11:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or these two
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.47,0:11:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just the expresssion, the look,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.05,0:11:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do you see?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.97,0:11:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems to me that in each pair, the expression
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.68,0:11:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is remarkably similar, and it is an
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.54,0:11:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expression of responding with remarkable charm
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.25,0:11:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the man who she knows is looking at her
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.40,0:11:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although she doesn't know him
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.49,0:11:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is true that sometimes a painting includes
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.03,0:11:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a male lover, but the woman's attention is very rarely
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.53,0:12:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directed towards him. She looks away from him
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.14,0:12:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or she looks out of the picture towards he who
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.91,0:12:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considers himself her true lover, the spectator-owner
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.86,0:12:16.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this painting was sent as a present from the Grand Duke of Florence to the King of France
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.33,0:12:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The boy kneeling on the cushion and kissing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.84,0:12:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Cupid the woman is Venus
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.96,0:12:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the way her body is arranged has nothing to do with
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.96,0:12:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kissing. Her body is arranged the way it is to display it
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.68,0:12:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the man looking at the picture
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.73,0:12:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the picture is made to appeal to his sexuality
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.40,0:12:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has nothing to do with her sexuality
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.33,0:12:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The convention of not painting the hair on a woman's body helps towards the same end.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.48,0:12:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hair is associated with sexual power, with passion.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.17,0:12:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The woman's sexual passion, needs to be
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.55,0:12:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minimized, so that the spectator feels
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.61,0:12:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he has the monopoly of such passion.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.89,0:12:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were paintings which depicted
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.82,0:12:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,male lovers. These did exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.39,0:12:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they were mostly private, semi-pornographic
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.48,0:13:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictures. In most paintings, which were painted to be seen
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.57,0:13:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than hidden, the only rival to the male
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.17,0:13:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spectator is a cupid.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.90,0:13:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, how extraordinary it is that the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.54,0:13:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictorial symbol of passion is a small boy.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.79,0:13:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a similar reason, women in the European art of the oil painting are seldom seen dancing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.93,0:13:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have to be shown languid, exhibiting a minimum of energy.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.52,0:13:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are there to feed an appetite, not to have any of their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.51,0:13:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The appetite was theoretically gargantuan.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.17,0:13:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The absurdity of this male flattery, although it was not seen as absurd then
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.50,0:13:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reached its peak in the public academic art of the 19th C
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.51,0:13:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prime ministers discussed under paintings like this
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.82,0:13:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when one of him felt he had been outwitted, he looked up for consolation
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.42,0:13:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the nude in European oil painting
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.31,0:14:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is usually presented as an ideal subject
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.88,0:14:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is said to be an expression of the European humanist spirit
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.87,0:14:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to reject entirely the truth of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.24,0:14:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I have tried to add to it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.69,0:14:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting off from a different viewpoint.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.72,0:14:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Duer who believed in the ideal nude
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.56,0:14:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thought that this ideal could be constructed
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.62,0:14:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by taking the shoulders from one body
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.09,0:14:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hands of another, the breasts of another,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.11,0:14:28.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.59,0:14:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was this humanist idealism?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.94,0:14:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or was it the result of the indifference
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.25,0:14:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to who any one person really was?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.04,0:14:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do these paintings celebrate
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.42,0:14:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we're normally taught
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.70,0:14:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the women within them?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.77,0:14:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the male voyeur?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.75,0:14:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there sexuality within the frame?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.88,0:14:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in front of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.48,0:14:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I showed the program, as you have seen it, up to now, to five women.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.53,0:14:59.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It began to seem absurd that the only images
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.45,0:15:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are seeing are of women
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.45,0:15:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,silent, mute
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.15,0:15:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I showed it to them and asked them to comment.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.14,0:15:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To comment not so much on the program
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.94,0:15:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather on the questions raised by it
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.32,0:15:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Above all, on the question of how men see women
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.18,0:15:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or how they have seen them in the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.72,0:15:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how this influences the way women see
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.36,0:15:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves today.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.35,0:15:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have an image, of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.22,0:15:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, we all have an image of ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.92,0:15:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is a visual image, but I wonder how
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.66,0:15:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much this sort of classical European painting
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.90,0:15:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has shaped that image.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.54,0:15:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my own case, I find it quite impossible when I
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.15,0:15:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at the paintings you show, in your film, I can't
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.78,0:15:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take them seriously, I cannot identify with them
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.16,0:15:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are so immensely exaggerated.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.50,0:15:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Always, you know, they fasten onto some secondary
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.33,0:15:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sexual characteristic, these enormous breasts,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.32,0:15:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these beasting bottoms, those huge things like that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.43,0:15:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they just aren't real. Whereas with
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.06,0:15:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photographs, you can feel that as potentially, possibly
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.38,0:16:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although it probably isn't. Many of these paintings you show are idealized.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.12,0:16:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and therefore, they are to me very unreal.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.17,0:16:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in connection with any deep down image that I might have of myself
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.37,0:16:21.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in connection with any deep down
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.82,0:16:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pleasure I might have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.91,0:16:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when looking at another female body
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.64,0:16:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't give me that pleasure at all
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.98,0:16:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can admire then as paintings
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.08,0:16:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they don't mean human beings to me
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.61,0:16:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the image that I compare myself to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.28,0:16:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the photograph because it is with photographs
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.15,0:16:42.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I have been encouraged to think of myself
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.69,0:16:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this way, it is essentially advertising to me
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.04,0:16:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has made me think of myself in this way
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.22,0:16:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and consequently, I find it extremely interesting to go
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.53,0:16:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back and think of nudes in this way because
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.17,0:16:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never done so, but having seen the film
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.33,0:16:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no doubt that the same thing applies.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.87,0:17:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And do you find the nudes in painting unreal
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.88,0:17:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way? yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.85,0:17:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you can't get any information from it,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.44,0:17:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you ? there's no guide to how you might--
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.69,0:17:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what information is lacking?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.45,0:17:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, activity. Dynamism. it is how
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.08,0:17:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone sees you and that's all,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.59,0:17:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is laid upon you.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.17,0:17:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad you showed the men in picture
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.26,0:17:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I always find this extremely shocking
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.24,0:17:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the men are dressed and the women are naked
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.40,0:17:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this seems to sum up the entire situation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.10,0:17:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because these women as well being humiliated
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.53,0:17:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think this is part of the whole
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.75,0:17:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scheme of things
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.36,0:17:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as most people have had, at some station
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.13,0:17:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in life, nightmares about running through the streets with nothing on
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.23,0:17:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while everyone else is dressed. And this seems
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.90,0:17:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me to be one element in the picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.99,0:17:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One very interesting thing you said in the film was
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.34,0:18:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how nudity was really a kind of disguise,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.03,0:18:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it wasn't the real person themselves free.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.83,0:18:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was just another garment they were wearing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.14,0:18:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and worse than a garment, in a sense, because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.04,0:18:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was something that you can't take off.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.02,0:18:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This comes, I think, from
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.21,0:18:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nudity being combined with a pose. And that's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.88,0:18:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inevitable if you're going to have a painting
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.61,0:18:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a model. Um, in a way, I think that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.72,0:18:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're always dressing. We're always dressing up
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.62,0:18:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a part. Always putting on a uniform of one kind of another
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.35,0:18:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think women do this more than men
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.05,0:18:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men have only been doing it fairly recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.29,0:18:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Women are always dressing to show the kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.67,0:18:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,character that they want to present: the mother, the working
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.17,0:18:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,woman, the pretty young chick. And nudity
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.78,0:18:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a uniform, in a way, for I'm ready
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.72,0:18:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sexual pleasure. So, it doesn't. You can't
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.42,0:19:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identify being nude with being free.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.92,0:19:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only just recently read that book
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.24,0:19:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which describes a way in which a woman
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.39,0:19:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is reduced to the sexual pleasure she can
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.02,0:19:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a complete object provide to a man. And what struck me in all that book
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.67,0:19:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was the most impressive image is the fact that she was told
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.63,0:19:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she was never to touch her own breasts to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.94,0:19:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,close her own mouth or to put her legs
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.22,0:19:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together. So, the whole point about her stance
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.30,0:19:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the time is that she was available
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.43,0:19:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this sense of being available of waiting
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.25,0:19:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for other people is the very antithesis of action
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.82,0:19:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know just like the Brook Street
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.10,0:19:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bureau advertisement, Tony hasn't run. He's
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.81,0:19:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three minutes late in ringing. You feel this whole
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.97,0:19:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation, the number of women you talk to who
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.03,0:19:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say I stay in so many night a week, waiting for someone to ring
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.34,0:19:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the concept of availability implies
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.96,0:20:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passivity because if you're simply waiting for someone else to act
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.14,0:20:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you can't help yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.55,0:20:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, it's like you will awake when a man touches
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.66,0:20:14.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you when a man kisses you. Whether its an excuse,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.71,0:20:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get yourself going, I think women are shy
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.90,0:20:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are waiting too long.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.60,0:20:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.11,0:20:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Could I say something now about narcissism?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.13,0:20:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that both men and women are narcissistic
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.03,0:20:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in different senses, and I think
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.18,0:20:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one in sometimes I have the impression
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.81,0:20:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that men and women are tremendously
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.70,0:20:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,narcissistic and are cut off from each other
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.25,0:20:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from their images of themselves. But
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.56,0:20:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas a woman's image of herself is derived
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.53,0:20:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly from other people, the mirror you're talking about
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.55,0:20:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a man's image of himself is derived from
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.98,0:21:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world that is its the world that gives him back
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.53,0:21:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his image because he acts in it. and the women are drawn to him as a source, as central activity,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.76,0:21:11.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a source of worth
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.92,0:21:13.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since he is in the world, the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.75,0:21:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he values her is important
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.65,0:21:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so because their centers of narcissism are different,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.21,0:21:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the woman's is essentially only
Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.94,0:21:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related to the other person
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.32,0:21:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is in a much more passive position than he is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.65,0:21:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to it
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.05,0:21:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.92,0:21:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you see narcissism as essentially a negative
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.93,0:21:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or positive phenomenon?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.53,0:21:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, i think that is very difficult to answer
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.26,0:21:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the sense that it is related to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.12,0:21:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an identity, um, it is a positive phenomenon
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.66,0:21:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seems to me that what women envy in men in that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.52,0:21:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a sense of their
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.99,0:21:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own identity
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.70,0:21:58.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is something in them
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.02,0:22:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is important to them other than
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.14,0:22:02.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply what other people think of them
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.27,0:22:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that thing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.83,0:22:07.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is product of their interaction in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.59,0:22:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is almost as if through this interaction
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.10,0:22:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they build up a store of worth
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.70,0:22:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of their sense of themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.62,0:22:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a constant
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.64,0:22:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it cannot be lost
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.42,0:22:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because a woman doesn't go out
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.06,0:22:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.24,0:22:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she doesn't create a store
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.66,0:22:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she waits for the present interaction with a man
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.14,0:22:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can go, that can end at any moment
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.12,0:22:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is something here that really
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.50,0:22:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to push around a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.72,0:22:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because narcissism is a very pronounced
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.74,0:22:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way of stating a relationship with the world
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.98,0:22:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it is a man or a woman
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.83,0:22:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this other question which is contained
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.85,0:23:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within it, but doesn't go as far as it as an idea
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.93,0:23:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this sort of self delight of a person
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.56,0:23:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether or it is a man or woman
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.88,0:23:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in life, in what they're doing
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.75,0:23:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relationships with a man or woman
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.70,0:23:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is a thing that matters tremendously
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.27,0:23:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its not only a thing that is an inner thing
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.26,0:23:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by which you life
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.03,0:23:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is a very outer thing
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.18,0:23:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by which you gain relationships with
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.88,0:23:40.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your own context in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.58,0:23:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can't gain any other way
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.83,0:23:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its when you've somehow been made
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.26,0:23:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so unconscious of yourself that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.87,0:23:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you easily, naturally,sort of
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.09,0:23:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compulsively go out to whatever is around you
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.55,0:24:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now, when you're a child that tends
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.64,0:24:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people to be other things
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.66,0:24:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.94,0:24:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mountains, streams, whereever you go
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.35,0:24:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then only gradually as you go on
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.49,0:24:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you make this kind of absolutely necessary contact with people
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.88,0:24:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do think that the sort of essense
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.93,0:24:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of self delight as a kind of possible thing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.75,0:24:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the modern world and something
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.22,0:24:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that fewer women have than men and want and must have
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.66,0:24:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the power, the compulsion, not the power
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.75,0:24:51.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the compulsion to make contact with the world
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.85,0:24:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you are living in it
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.41,0:24:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when I'm saying that I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.49,0:24:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply mean the people next door
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.58,0:25:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean what is going on
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.34,0:25:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.28,0:25:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not so sure about the delight
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.17,0:25:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it is a very double edged thing
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.26,0:25:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.80,0:25:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I suppose I've always known
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.92,0:25:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I became aware of it in this film
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.40,0:25:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never consciously looked at myself in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.97,0:25:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mirror and seen myself as I am
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.74,0:25:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always see the image that I want
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.50,0:25:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that I want to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.21,0:25:21.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my children notice it that if I make up
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.63,0:25:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my face I put on a certain expression
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.36,0:25:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I , from adolescence on, if I have seen myself
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.15,0:25:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naked in the mirror, I have not thought of
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.89,0:25:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,myself naked, I have thought of myself as a nude
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.38,0:25:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think this comes from having been trolled
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.64,0:25:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around all the major art galleries
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.08,0:25:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in essence, this is culture, this is beauty
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.69,0:25:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a capital B
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.10,0:25:44.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, of course, up to a point from advertising too
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.13,0:25:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but much more from the painting
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.44,0:25:51.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, that you think the female body is beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.29,0:25:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a beautiful object, if not, I have to do
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.40,0:25:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something about it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.18,0:25:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, and therefore, the painful part
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.16,0:26:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a narcissistic society is the feeling of inadequacy
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.35,0:26:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this business of always posing in a mirror
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.34,0:26:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think one does absolutely automatically
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.65,0:26:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you actually catch yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.38,0:26:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a mirror by chance that is not deliberately
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.11,0:26:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you're getting dressed or having a bath
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.16,0:26:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's one in the street, or you catch yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.09,0:26:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a shop window, it's a tremendous shock
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.17,0:26:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you suddenly see yourself as you are
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.85,0:26:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is windblown, untidy, badly dressed
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.90,0:26:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tired, and so on
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.44,0:26:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't see the person
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.86,0:26:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at all, and I think this is what happens to women
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.11,0:26:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are always trying to measure
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.87,0:26:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to this erotic image that is projected.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.64,0:26:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some paintings
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.57,0:26:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm thinking at this moment of one painting
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.42,0:26:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is a woman
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.29,0:26:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is wearing a garment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.80,0:26:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is not nude
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.14,0:26:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is a garment so loose, so comfortable
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.24,0:26:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so easy, and its my idea, very much
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.10,0:27:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what a picture of a woman might be like
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.76,0:27:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think its from a period before yours,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.58,0:27:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's so long ago by Lorenzetti
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.90,0:27:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a fresco, very very old
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.40,0:27:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is a picture of a woman
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.74,0:27:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is suppossed to represent peace
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.65,0:27:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's quite extraordinary
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.32,0:27:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she could be one of the liberated
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.28,0:27:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or trying to be liberated young women
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.69,0:27:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of today. she is at ease, she is relaxed
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.71,0:27:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is not playing the part at all
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.12,0:27:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she is able to combine
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.92,0:27:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pleasure with thought
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.77,0:27:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with dreaming
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.90,0:27:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she is, she might spring into action
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.70,0:27:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at any moment
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.01,0:27:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for me
Dialogue: 0,0:27:41.97,0:27:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she has much, much more to do
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.94,0:27:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with nakedness, with oneself, with the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.11,0:27:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truth of oneself than any other nudes I have seen
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.12,0:27:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[music]