1 00:00:00,975 --> 00:00:06,435 Today 40 million Americans are indebted for their passage to the new economy. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,143 Too poor to pay their way through college, 3 00:00:10,167 --> 00:00:14,509 they now owe lenders more than one trillion US dollars. 4 00:00:15,709 --> 00:00:17,948 They do find what jobs they can get 5 00:00:17,972 --> 00:00:20,457 to pay off a debt that is secured on their person. 6 00:00:21,201 --> 00:00:23,249 In America, 7 00:00:23,273 --> 00:00:28,804 even a bankrupt gambler gets a second chance. 8 00:00:30,351 --> 00:00:33,153 But it is nearly impossible 9 00:00:33,177 --> 00:00:36,652 for an American to get discharged their student loan debts. 10 00:00:40,421 --> 00:00:43,141 Once upon a time in America, 11 00:00:43,165 --> 00:00:45,815 going to college did not mean graduating with debt. 12 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:52,585 My friend Paul's father graduated from Colorado State University 13 00:00:52,609 --> 00:00:53,759 on the GI Bill. 14 00:00:55,546 --> 00:00:57,134 For his generation, 15 00:00:57,158 --> 00:01:00,006 higher education was free or almost free, 16 00:01:00,030 --> 00:01:02,427 because it was thought of as a public good. 17 00:01:03,676 --> 00:01:04,872 Not anymore. 18 00:01:06,171 --> 00:01:10,267 When Paul also graduated from Colorado State University, 19 00:01:10,291 --> 00:01:13,664 he paid for his English degree by working part-time. 20 00:01:14,164 --> 00:01:15,315 30 years ago, 21 00:01:15,339 --> 00:01:18,006 higher education tuition was affordable, reasonable, 22 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:21,426 and what debts you accumulated, you paid off by graduation date. 23 00:01:21,952 --> 00:01:23,102 Not anymore. 24 00:01:23,829 --> 00:01:27,203 Paul's daughter followed in his footsteps, 25 00:01:27,227 --> 00:01:28,528 but with one difference: 26 00:01:28,552 --> 00:01:31,044 when she graduated five years ago, 27 00:01:31,068 --> 00:01:32,417 it was with a whopping debt. 28 00:01:33,179 --> 00:01:36,521 Students like Kate have to take on a loan 29 00:01:36,545 --> 00:01:39,744 because the cost of higher education has become unaffordable 30 00:01:39,768 --> 00:01:43,457 for many if not most American families. 31 00:01:44,427 --> 00:01:45,577 But so what? 32 00:01:46,117 --> 00:01:48,665 Getting into debt to buy an expensive education 33 00:01:48,689 --> 00:01:51,451 is not all bad if you could pay it off 34 00:01:51,475 --> 00:01:54,609 with the increased income that you earned from it. 35 00:01:55,266 --> 00:01:57,379 But that's where the rubber meets the road. 36 00:01:59,652 --> 00:02:05,248 Even a college grad earned 10 percent more in 2001 37 00:02:05,272 --> 00:02:07,247 than she did in 2013. 38 00:02:07,984 --> 00:02:09,134 So ... 39 00:02:09,779 --> 00:02:11,438 tuition costs up, 40 00:02:11,462 --> 00:02:12,985 public funding down, 41 00:02:13,009 --> 00:02:15,446 family incomes diminished, 42 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:17,882 personal incomes weak. 43 00:02:18,241 --> 00:02:22,646 Is it any wonder that more than a quarter of those who must 44 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:24,677 cannot make their student loan payments? 45 00:02:26,852 --> 00:02:29,829 The worst of times can be the best of times, 46 00:02:29,853 --> 00:02:33,731 because certain truths flash up in ways that you can't ignore. 47 00:02:34,446 --> 00:02:36,392 I want to speak of three of them today. 48 00:02:37,571 --> 00:02:41,445 1.2 trillion dollars of debts for diplomas 49 00:02:41,469 --> 00:02:43,934 make it abundantly obvious 50 00:02:43,958 --> 00:02:47,696 that higher education is a consumer product you can buy. 51 00:02:48,283 --> 00:02:53,101 All of us talk about education just as the economists do now, 52 00:02:53,125 --> 00:02:57,606 as an investment that you make to improve the human stock 53 00:02:57,630 --> 00:02:59,371 by training them for work. 54 00:02:59,812 --> 00:03:04,535 As an investment you make to sort and classify people 55 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:07,327 so that employers can hire them more easily. 56 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,794 The U.S. News & World Report ranks colleges 57 00:03:11,818 --> 00:03:15,071 just as the consumer report rates washing machines. 58 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:18,858 The language is peppered with barbarisms. 59 00:03:18,882 --> 00:03:22,263 Teachers are called "service providers," 60 00:03:22,287 --> 00:03:24,040 students are called "consumers." 61 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:29,390 Sociology and Shakespeare and soccer and science, 62 00:03:29,414 --> 00:03:31,009 all of these are "content." 63 00:03:33,318 --> 00:03:34,699 Student debt is profitable. 64 00:03:34,723 --> 00:03:35,873 Only not on you. 65 00:03:37,961 --> 00:03:41,564 Your debt fattens the profit of the student loan industry. 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,477 The two 800-pound gorillas of which -- 67 00:03:44,501 --> 00:03:46,564 Sallie Mae and Navient -- 68 00:03:46,588 --> 00:03:51,794 posted last year a combined profit of 1.2 billion dollars. 69 00:03:52,568 --> 00:03:55,140 And just like home mortgages, 70 00:03:55,164 --> 00:03:58,350 student loans can be bundled and packaged and sliced and diced, 71 00:03:58,374 --> 00:03:59,624 and sold on Wall Street. 72 00:04:00,369 --> 00:04:01,965 And colleges and universities 73 00:04:01,989 --> 00:04:05,289 that invest in these securitized loans 74 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:07,321 profit twice. 75 00:04:07,735 --> 00:04:09,156 Once from your tuition, 76 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:11,560 and then again from the interest on debt. 77 00:04:13,108 --> 00:04:15,474 With all that money to be made, 78 00:04:15,498 --> 00:04:21,085 are we surprised that some in the higher education business 79 00:04:21,109 --> 00:04:23,181 have begun to engage in false advertising, 80 00:04:23,205 --> 00:04:24,362 in bait and switch ... 81 00:04:26,585 --> 00:04:30,680 in exploiting the very ignorance that they pretend to educate? 82 00:04:32,144 --> 00:04:33,294 Third: 83 00:04:33,678 --> 00:04:35,067 diplomas are a brand. 84 00:04:35,741 --> 00:04:38,092 Many years ago my teacher wrote, 85 00:04:38,116 --> 00:04:40,657 "When students are treated as consumers, 86 00:04:40,681 --> 00:04:43,806 they're made prisoners of addiction and envy." 87 00:04:47,794 --> 00:04:52,335 Just as consumers can be sold and resold upgraded versions of an iPhone, 88 00:04:52,359 --> 00:04:55,301 so also people can be sold more and more education. 89 00:04:56,807 --> 00:04:58,673 College is the new high school, 90 00:04:58,697 --> 00:05:00,021 we already say that. 91 00:05:01,408 --> 00:05:02,807 But why stop there? 92 00:05:02,831 --> 00:05:06,308 People can be upsold on certifications and recertifications, 93 00:05:06,332 --> 00:05:08,688 master's degrees, doctoral degrees. 94 00:05:11,436 --> 00:05:15,149 Higher education is also marketed as a status object. 95 00:05:16,634 --> 00:05:17,785 Buy a degree, 96 00:05:17,809 --> 00:05:20,996 much like you do a Lexus of a Louis Vuitton bag, 97 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:22,814 to distinguish yourself from others. 98 00:05:22,838 --> 00:05:25,289 So you can be the object of envy of others. 99 00:05:26,669 --> 00:05:28,400 Diplomas are a brand. 100 00:05:29,034 --> 00:05:35,629 But these truths are often times hidden by a very noisy sales pitch. 101 00:05:36,535 --> 00:05:38,171 There is not a day that goes by 102 00:05:38,195 --> 00:05:43,232 without some policy guy on television telling us, 103 00:05:43,256 --> 00:05:45,280 "A college degree is absolutely essential 104 00:05:45,304 --> 00:05:48,021 to get on that up escalator to a middle-class life." 105 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:52,568 And the usual evidence offered is the college premium: 106 00:05:52,592 --> 00:05:57,839 a college grad who makes on average 56 percent more than a high school grad. 107 00:05:58,425 --> 00:06:00,473 Let's look at that number more carefully, 108 00:06:00,497 --> 00:06:01,823 because on the face of it, 109 00:06:01,847 --> 00:06:05,191 it seems to belie the stories we all hear 110 00:06:05,215 --> 00:06:09,603 about college grads working as baristas and cashiers. 111 00:06:10,545 --> 00:06:15,696 Of 100 people who enroll in any form of post-secondary education, 112 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,768 45 do not complete it in a timely fashion, 113 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:21,858 for a number of reasons, including financial. 114 00:06:22,275 --> 00:06:24,188 Of the 55 that do graduate, 115 00:06:24,212 --> 00:06:26,260 two will remain unemployed, 116 00:06:26,284 --> 00:06:29,014 and another 18 are underemployed. 117 00:06:30,058 --> 00:06:33,733 So, college grads earn more than high school grads, 118 00:06:33,757 --> 00:06:36,750 but does it pay for the exorbitant tuition 119 00:06:36,774 --> 00:06:39,165 and the lost wages while at college? 120 00:06:39,661 --> 00:06:42,257 Now even economists admit 121 00:06:42,281 --> 00:06:47,511 going to college pays off for only those who complete it. 122 00:06:48,095 --> 00:06:52,127 But that's only because high school wages have been cut to the bone, 123 00:06:52,151 --> 00:06:53,591 for decades now. 124 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:57,258 For decades, 125 00:06:57,282 --> 00:06:59,639 workers with a high school degree 126 00:06:59,663 --> 00:07:03,766 have been denied a fair share of what they have produced. 127 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,385 And had they received as they should have, 128 00:07:07,409 --> 00:07:11,362 then going to college would have been a bad investment for many. 129 00:07:11,386 --> 00:07:13,512 College premium? 130 00:07:13,941 --> 00:07:15,695 I think it's a high school discount. 131 00:07:16,688 --> 00:07:21,092 Two out of three people who enroll are not going to find an adequate job. 132 00:07:21,756 --> 00:07:24,867 And the future, for them, doesn't look particularly promising -- 133 00:07:24,891 --> 00:07:26,613 in fact, it's downright bleak. 134 00:07:26,637 --> 00:07:29,041 And it is they who are going to suffer 135 00:07:30,541 --> 00:07:33,224 the most punishing forms of student debt. 136 00:07:34,002 --> 00:07:35,153 And it is they, 137 00:07:35,177 --> 00:07:36,558 curiously and sadly, 138 00:07:36,582 --> 00:07:40,391 who are marketed most loudly about this college premium thing. 139 00:07:41,986 --> 00:07:44,383 That's not just cynical marketing, 140 00:07:44,407 --> 00:07:45,557 that's cruel. 141 00:07:47,277 --> 00:07:48,427 So what do we do? 142 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:54,888 What if students and parents treated higher education as a consumer product? 143 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:57,738 Everybody else seems to. 144 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:00,948 Then, like any other consumer product, 145 00:08:00,972 --> 00:08:03,471 you would demand to know what you're paying for. 146 00:08:03,495 --> 00:08:04,710 When you buy medicines, 147 00:08:04,734 --> 00:08:06,649 you get a list of side effects. 148 00:08:06,673 --> 00:08:08,785 When you buy a higher educational product, 149 00:08:08,809 --> 00:08:10,443 you should have a warning label 150 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:12,659 that allows consumers to choose, 151 00:08:12,683 --> 00:08:14,062 make informed choices. 152 00:08:14,838 --> 00:08:16,030 When you buy a car, 153 00:08:16,054 --> 00:08:18,665 it tells you how many miles per gallon to expect. 154 00:08:19,188 --> 00:08:20,634 Who knows what to expect 155 00:08:20,658 --> 00:08:24,372 from a degree say, in Canadian Studies. 156 00:08:24,806 --> 00:08:26,465 There is such a thing, by the way. 157 00:08:28,989 --> 00:08:31,044 What if there was an app for that? 158 00:08:34,402 --> 00:08:39,270 One that linked up the cost of a major to the expected income. 159 00:08:40,208 --> 00:08:42,574 Let's call it Income-Based Tuition or IBT. 160 00:08:42,598 --> 00:08:44,120 One of you make this. 161 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:45,683 (Laughter) 162 00:08:45,707 --> 00:08:47,439 Discover your reality. 163 00:08:47,463 --> 00:08:49,772 (Laughter) 164 00:08:49,796 --> 00:08:51,225 There are three advantages, 165 00:08:51,249 --> 00:08:53,930 three benefits to Income-Based Tuition. 166 00:08:55,232 --> 00:08:57,121 Any user can figure out 167 00:08:57,145 --> 00:09:00,349 how much money he or she will make from a given college and major. 168 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:02,447 Such informed users 169 00:09:02,471 --> 00:09:06,416 are unlikely to fall victim to the huckster's ploy, 170 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,850 to the sales pitch. 171 00:09:07,874 --> 00:09:09,580 But also to choose wisely. 172 00:09:09,604 --> 00:09:12,006 Why would anybody pay more for college 173 00:09:12,030 --> 00:09:15,056 than let's say, 15 percent of the additional income they earn? 174 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,756 There's a second benefit to Income-Based Tuition. 175 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:22,740 By tying the cost to the income, 176 00:09:22,764 --> 00:09:27,185 college administrators would be forced to manage costs better, 177 00:09:27,209 --> 00:09:29,549 to find innovative ways to do so. 178 00:09:29,573 --> 00:09:30,727 For instance, 179 00:09:30,751 --> 00:09:34,811 all of you students here pay roughly the same tuition for every major. 180 00:09:35,478 --> 00:09:39,525 That is manifestly unfair, and should change. 181 00:09:40,295 --> 00:09:44,216 An engineering student uses more resources 182 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,649 and facilities and labs and faculty 183 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:48,351 than a philosophy student. 184 00:09:49,581 --> 00:09:51,685 But the philosophy student, as a consequence, 185 00:09:51,709 --> 00:09:53,899 is subsidizing the engineering student. 186 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:56,991 Who then, by the way, goes on and earns more money. 187 00:09:57,015 --> 00:10:00,722 Why should two people buy the same product, 188 00:10:00,746 --> 00:10:01,921 pay the same, 189 00:10:01,945 --> 00:10:04,722 but one person receive half or a third of the service. 190 00:10:06,448 --> 00:10:10,519 In fact, college grads, some majors, 191 00:10:10,543 --> 00:10:14,163 pay 25 percent of their income servicing their student debt, 192 00:10:14,187 --> 00:10:15,860 while others pay five percent. 193 00:10:17,510 --> 00:10:22,026 That kind if inequity would end when majors are priced more correctly. 194 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:25,201 Now of course, all this data -- 195 00:10:25,225 --> 00:10:27,299 and one of you is going to do this, right? 196 00:10:27,323 --> 00:10:29,170 All this data has to be well designed, 197 00:10:29,194 --> 00:10:31,292 maybe audited by public accounting firms 198 00:10:31,316 --> 00:10:33,268 to avoid statistical lies. 199 00:10:33,292 --> 00:10:35,137 We know about statistics, right? 200 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:37,989 But be that as it may, 201 00:10:38,013 --> 00:10:42,394 the third and biggest benefit of Income-Based Tuition, 202 00:10:42,418 --> 00:10:47,847 is it would free Americans from the fear and the fact of financial ruin 203 00:10:47,871 --> 00:10:50,037 because they bought a defective product. 204 00:10:50,813 --> 00:10:53,132 Perhaps, in time, 205 00:10:53,156 --> 00:10:55,404 young and old Americans may rediscover, 206 00:10:55,428 --> 00:10:57,625 as the gentleman said earlier, 207 00:10:57,649 --> 00:10:59,688 their curiosity, their love of learning -- 208 00:10:59,712 --> 00:11:01,149 begin to study what they love, 209 00:11:01,173 --> 00:11:02,352 love what they study, 210 00:11:02,376 --> 00:11:03,759 follow their passion ... 211 00:11:04,577 --> 00:11:07,046 getting stimulated by their intelligence, 212 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:10,507 follow paths of inquiry that they really want to. 213 00:11:10,848 --> 00:11:15,298 After all, it was Eric and Kevin, 214 00:11:15,322 --> 00:11:16,490 two years ago, 215 00:11:17,498 --> 00:11:20,930 just exactly these kinds of young men, 216 00:11:20,954 --> 00:11:22,976 who prompted me and worked with me, 217 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,561 and still do, 218 00:11:24,585 --> 00:11:28,271 in the study of indebted students in America. 219 00:11:29,272 --> 00:11:30,803 Thank you for your attention. 220 00:11:30,827 --> 00:11:35,391 (Applause)