1 00:00:03,005 --> 00:00:06,227 I thought if I skipped it might help my nerves, 2 00:00:06,227 --> 00:00:09,413 but I'm actually having a paradoxical reaction to that, 3 00:00:09,413 --> 00:00:11,235 so that was a bad idea. (Laughter) 4 00:00:11,235 --> 00:00:14,656 Anyway, I was really delighted to receive the invitation 5 00:00:14,656 --> 00:00:18,593 to present to you some of my music and some of my work 6 00:00:18,593 --> 00:00:21,687 as a composer, presumably because it appeals 7 00:00:21,687 --> 00:00:25,670 to my well-known and abundant narcissism. (Laughter) 8 00:00:25,670 --> 00:00:28,278 And I'm not kidding, I just think we should just 9 00:00:28,278 --> 00:00:31,734 say that and move forward. (Laughter) 10 00:00:31,734 --> 00:00:34,614 So, but the thing is, a dilemma quickly arose, 11 00:00:34,614 --> 00:00:36,819 and that is that I'm really bored with music, 12 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:39,885 and I'm really bored with the role of the composer, 13 00:00:39,885 --> 00:00:43,093 and so I decided to put that idea, boredom, 14 00:00:43,093 --> 00:00:46,067 as the focus of my presentation to you today. 15 00:00:46,067 --> 00:00:48,355 And I'm going to share my music with you, but I hope 16 00:00:48,355 --> 00:00:50,590 that I'm going to do so in a way that tells a story, 17 00:00:50,590 --> 00:00:53,999 tells a story about how I used boredom as a catalyst 18 00:00:53,999 --> 00:00:56,553 for creativity and invention, and how boredom 19 00:00:56,553 --> 00:00:59,714 actually forced me to change the fundamental question 20 00:00:59,714 --> 00:01:01,795 that I was asking in my discipline, 21 00:01:01,795 --> 00:01:03,854 and how boredom also, in a sense, 22 00:01:03,854 --> 00:01:08,298 pushed me towards taking on roles beyond the sort of 23 00:01:08,298 --> 00:01:10,908 most traditional, narrow definition of a composer. 24 00:01:10,908 --> 00:01:13,379 What I'd like to do today is to start with an excerpt 25 00:01:13,379 --> 00:01:16,207 of a piece of music at the piano. 26 00:01:16,207 --> 00:01:25,522 (Music) 27 00:01:25,522 --> 00:01:28,836 Okay, I wrote that. (Laughter) 28 00:01:28,836 --> 00:01:30,743 No, it's not — (Applause) Oh, why thank you. 29 00:01:30,743 --> 00:01:32,374 No, no, I didn't write that. 30 00:01:32,374 --> 00:01:34,646 In fact, that was a piece by Beethoven, 31 00:01:34,646 --> 00:01:37,201 and so I was not functioning as a composer. 32 00:01:37,201 --> 00:01:40,252 Just now I was functioning in the role of the interpreter, 33 00:01:40,252 --> 00:01:42,313 and there I am, interpreter. 34 00:01:42,313 --> 00:01:45,022 So, an interpreter of what? Of a piece of music, right? 35 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:49,229 But we can ask the question, "But is it music?" 36 00:01:49,229 --> 00:01:51,009 And I say this rhetorically, because of course 37 00:01:51,009 --> 00:01:53,830 by just about any standard we would have to concede 38 00:01:53,830 --> 00:01:55,778 that this is, of course, a piece of music, 39 00:01:55,778 --> 00:01:58,104 but I put this here now because, 40 00:01:58,104 --> 00:02:00,387 just to set it in your brains for the moment, 41 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,228 because we're going to return to this question. 42 00:02:02,228 --> 00:02:04,010 It's going to be a kind of a refrain 43 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:05,821 as we go through the presentation. 44 00:02:05,821 --> 00:02:08,049 So here we have this piece of music by Beethoven, 45 00:02:08,049 --> 00:02:11,255 and my problem with it is, it's boring. 46 00:02:11,255 --> 00:02:18,075 I mean, you — I'm just like, a hush, huh -- It's like -- (Laughter) 47 00:02:18,075 --> 00:02:19,793 It's Beethoven, how can you say that? 48 00:02:19,793 --> 00:02:21,528 No, well, I don't know, it's very familiar to me. 49 00:02:21,528 --> 00:02:24,559 I had to practice it as a kid, and I'm really sick of it. So -- (Laughter) 50 00:02:24,559 --> 00:02:27,282 I would, so what I might like to try to do is to change it, 51 00:02:27,282 --> 00:02:29,926 to transform it in some ways, to personalize it, 52 00:02:29,926 --> 00:02:32,353 so I might take the opening, like this idea -- 53 00:02:32,353 --> 00:02:34,561 (Music) 54 00:02:34,561 --> 00:02:39,458 and then I might substitute -- (Music) 55 00:02:39,458 --> 00:02:41,097 and then I might improvise on that melody 56 00:02:41,097 --> 00:02:44,732 that goes forward from there -- (Music) 57 00:02:44,732 --> 00:03:10,754 (Music) 58 00:03:10,754 --> 00:03:13,866 So that might be the kind of thing -- Why thank you. 59 00:03:13,866 --> 00:03:17,461 (Applause) 60 00:03:17,461 --> 00:03:19,579 That would be the kind of thing that I would do, 61 00:03:19,579 --> 00:03:21,676 and it's not necessarily better than the Beethoven. 62 00:03:21,676 --> 00:03:25,408 In fact, I think it's not better than it. The thing is -- (Laughter) -- 63 00:03:25,408 --> 00:03:30,707 it's more interesting to me. It's less boring for me. 64 00:03:30,707 --> 00:03:33,877 I'm really leaning into me, because I, because I have 65 00:03:33,877 --> 00:03:37,449 to think about what decisions I'm going to make on the fly 66 00:03:37,449 --> 00:03:40,651 as that Beethoven text is running in time through my head 67 00:03:40,651 --> 00:03:42,856 and I'm trying to figure out what kinds of transformations 68 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,454 I'm going to make to it. 69 00:03:44,454 --> 00:03:47,029 So this is an engaging enterprise for me, and 70 00:03:47,029 --> 00:03:51,687 I've really leaned into that first person pronoun thing there, 71 00:03:51,687 --> 00:03:54,008 and now my face appears twice, so I think we can agree 72 00:03:54,008 --> 00:03:57,699 that this is a fundamentally solipsistic enterprise. (Laughter) 73 00:03:57,699 --> 00:04:00,113 But it's an engaging one, and it's interesting to me 74 00:04:00,113 --> 00:04:02,533 for a while, but then I get bored with it, and by it, 75 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:05,184 I actually mean, the piano, because it becomes, 76 00:04:05,184 --> 00:04:08,402 it's this familiar instrument, it's timbral range is actually 77 00:04:08,402 --> 00:04:10,923 pretty compressed, at least when you play on the keyboard, 78 00:04:10,923 --> 00:04:13,533 and if you're not doing things like listening to it 79 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:16,256 after you've lit it on fire or something like that, you know. 80 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:18,225 It gets a little bit boring, and so pretty soon 81 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:20,385 I go through other instruments, they become familiar, 82 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:23,062 and eventually I find myself designing and constructing 83 00:04:23,062 --> 00:04:27,225 my own instrument, and I brought one with me today, 84 00:04:27,225 --> 00:04:30,161 and I thought I would play a little bit on it for you 85 00:04:30,161 --> 00:04:32,367 so you can hear what it sounds like. 86 00:04:32,367 --> 00:04:43,780 (Music) 87 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:49,543 You gotta have doorstops, that's important. (Laughter) 88 00:04:49,543 --> 00:04:52,651 I've got combs. They're the only combs that I own. (Music) 89 00:04:52,651 --> 00:04:55,807 They're all mounted on my instruments. (Laughter) 90 00:04:55,807 --> 00:05:04,866 (Music) 91 00:05:04,866 --> 00:05:07,451 I can actually do all sorts of things. I can play 92 00:05:07,451 --> 00:05:09,949 with a violin bow. I don't have to use the chopsticks. 93 00:05:09,949 --> 00:05:17,802 So we have this sound. (Music) 94 00:05:17,802 --> 00:05:19,846 And with a bank of live electronics, 95 00:05:19,846 --> 00:05:23,967 I can change the sounds radically. (Music) 96 00:05:23,967 --> 00:05:33,041 (Music) 97 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:39,292 Like that, and like this. (Music) 98 00:05:39,292 --> 00:05:41,410 And so forth. 99 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:43,549 So this gives you a little bit of an idea of the sound world 100 00:05:43,549 --> 00:05:46,226 of this instrument, which I think is quite interesting 101 00:05:46,226 --> 00:05:50,000 and it puts me in the role of the inventor, and the nice thing about — 102 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,119 This instrument is called the Mouseketeer ... (Laughter) 103 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:55,383 and the cool thing about it is 104 00:05:55,383 --> 00:05:58,951 I'm the world's greatest Mouseketeer player. (Laughter) 105 00:05:58,951 --> 00:06:00,570 Okay? (Applause) 106 00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:03,746 So in that regard, this is one of the things, 107 00:06:03,746 --> 00:06:05,606 this is one of the privileges of being, 108 00:06:05,606 --> 00:06:08,612 and here's another role, the inventor, and by the way, 109 00:06:08,612 --> 00:06:10,790 when I told you that I'm the world's greatest, 110 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:14,794 if you're keeping score, we've had narcissism and solipsism 111 00:06:14,794 --> 00:06:16,798 and now a healthy dose of egocentricism. 112 00:06:16,798 --> 00:06:20,398 I know some of you are just, you know, bingo! Or, I don't know. (Laughter) 113 00:06:20,398 --> 00:06:25,945 Anyway, so this is also a really enjoyable role. 114 00:06:25,945 --> 00:06:28,677 I should concede also that I'm the world's worst Mouseketeer player, 115 00:06:28,677 --> 00:06:30,927 and it was this distinction that I was most worried about 116 00:06:30,927 --> 00:06:33,864 when I was on that prior side of the tenure divide. 117 00:06:33,864 --> 00:06:36,350 I'm glad I'm past that. We're not going to go into that. 118 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:39,307 I'm crying on the inside. There are still scars. 119 00:06:39,307 --> 00:06:43,123 Anyway, but I guess my point is that all of these enterprises 120 00:06:43,123 --> 00:06:46,858 are engaging to me in their multiplicity, but as I've presented them 121 00:06:46,858 --> 00:06:50,210 to you today, they're actually solitary enterprises, 122 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:53,237 and so pretty soon I want to commune with other people, and so 123 00:06:53,237 --> 00:06:55,755 I'm delighted that in fact I get to compose works for them. 124 00:06:55,755 --> 00:06:58,841 I get to write, sometimes for soloists and I get to work with one person, 125 00:06:58,841 --> 00:07:02,150 sometimes full orchestras, and I work with a lot of people, 126 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:05,829 and this is probably the capacity, the role creatively 127 00:07:05,829 --> 00:07:08,991 for which I'm probably best known professionally. 128 00:07:08,991 --> 00:07:11,966 Now, some of my scores as a composer look like this, 129 00:07:11,966 --> 00:07:14,039 and others look like this, 130 00:07:14,039 --> 00:07:16,123 and some look like this, 131 00:07:16,123 --> 00:07:19,169 and I make all of these by hand, and it's really tedious. 132 00:07:19,169 --> 00:07:21,502 It takes a long, long time to make these scores, 133 00:07:21,502 --> 00:07:23,675 and right now I'm working on a piece 134 00:07:23,675 --> 00:07:25,698 that's 180 pages in length, 135 00:07:25,698 --> 00:07:29,894 and it's just a big chunk of my life, and I'm just pulling out hair. 136 00:07:29,894 --> 00:07:32,403 I have a lot of it, and that's a good thing I suppose. (Laughter) 137 00:07:32,403 --> 00:07:35,967 So this gets really boring and really tiresome for me, 138 00:07:35,967 --> 00:07:38,940 so after a while the process of notating is not only boring, 139 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:42,072 but I actually want the notation to be more interesting, 140 00:07:42,072 --> 00:07:44,791 and so that's pushed me to do other projects like this one. 141 00:07:44,791 --> 00:07:47,021 This is an excerpt from a score called 142 00:07:47,021 --> 00:07:49,212 "The Metaphysics of Notation." 143 00:07:49,212 --> 00:07:51,756 The full score is 72 feet wide. 144 00:07:51,756 --> 00:07:54,454 It's a bunch of crazy pictographic notation. 145 00:07:54,454 --> 00:07:57,340 Let's zoom in on one section of it right here. You can see 146 00:07:57,340 --> 00:08:01,157 it's rather detailed. I do all of this with drafting templates, 147 00:08:01,157 --> 00:08:04,774 with straight edges, with French curves, and by freehand, 148 00:08:04,774 --> 00:08:07,428 and the 72 feet was actually split 149 00:08:07,428 --> 00:08:10,463 into 12 six-foot-wide panels that were installed 150 00:08:10,463 --> 00:08:15,347 around the Cantor Arts Center Museum lobby balcony, 151 00:08:15,347 --> 00:08:19,155 and it appeared for one year in the museum, 152 00:08:19,155 --> 00:08:22,013 and during that year, it was experienced as visual art 153 00:08:22,013 --> 00:08:23,914 most of the week, except, as you can see in these pictures, 154 00:08:23,914 --> 00:08:26,952 on Fridays, from noon til one, and only during that time, 155 00:08:26,952 --> 00:08:30,332 various performers came and interpreted these strange 156 00:08:30,332 --> 00:08:33,611 and undefined pictographic glyphs. (Laughter) 157 00:08:33,611 --> 00:08:37,295 Now this was a really exciting experience for me. 158 00:08:37,295 --> 00:08:38,898 It was gratifying musically, but I think 159 00:08:38,898 --> 00:08:41,594 the more important thing is it was exciting because I got to take on 160 00:08:41,594 --> 00:08:44,490 another role, especially given that it appeared in a museum, 161 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:47,766 and that is as visual artist. (Laughter) 162 00:08:47,766 --> 00:08:50,266 We're going to fill up the whole thing, don't worry. (Laughter) 163 00:08:50,266 --> 00:08:52,269 I am multitudes. (Laughter) 164 00:08:52,269 --> 00:08:55,173 So one of the things is that, I mean, some people 165 00:08:55,173 --> 00:08:56,960 would say, like, "Oh, you're being a dilettante," 166 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,537 and maybe that's true. I can understand how, I mean, 167 00:08:59,537 --> 00:09:01,696 because I don't have a pedigree in visual art 168 00:09:01,696 --> 00:09:03,732 and I don't have any training, but it's just something 169 00:09:03,732 --> 00:09:06,199 that I wanted to do as an extension of my composition, 170 00:09:06,199 --> 00:09:09,099 as an extension of a kind of creative impulse. 171 00:09:09,099 --> 00:09:12,195 I can understand the question, though. "But is it music?" 172 00:09:12,195 --> 00:09:14,454 I mean, there's not any traditional notation. 173 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:16,707 I can also understand that sort of implicit criticism 174 00:09:16,707 --> 00:09:20,079 in this piece, "S-tog," which I made when I was living in Copenhagen. 175 00:09:20,079 --> 00:09:22,066 I took the Copenhagen subway map and 176 00:09:22,066 --> 00:09:25,198 I renamed all the stations to abstract musical provocations, 177 00:09:25,198 --> 00:09:27,969 and the players, who are synchronized with stopwatches, 178 00:09:27,969 --> 00:09:30,830 follow the timetables, which are listed in minutes past the hour. 179 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:33,891 So this is a case of actually adapting something, 180 00:09:33,891 --> 00:09:35,774 or maybe stealing something, 181 00:09:35,774 --> 00:09:38,115 and then turning it into a musical notation. 182 00:09:38,115 --> 00:09:40,270 Another adaptation would be this piece. 183 00:09:40,270 --> 00:09:43,616 I took the idea of the wristwatch, and I turned it into a musical score. 184 00:09:43,616 --> 00:09:46,854 I made my own faces, and had a company fabricate them, 185 00:09:46,854 --> 00:09:49,092 and the players follow these scores. 186 00:09:49,092 --> 00:09:51,113 They follow the second hands, and as they pass over 187 00:09:51,113 --> 00:09:54,099 the various symbols, the players respond musically. 188 00:09:54,099 --> 00:09:56,322 Here's another example from another piece, 189 00:09:56,322 --> 00:09:58,376 and then its realization. 190 00:09:58,376 --> 00:10:00,855 So in these two capacities, I've been scavenger, 191 00:10:00,855 --> 00:10:03,242 in the sense of taking, like, the subway map, right, 192 00:10:03,242 --> 00:10:05,760 or thief maybe, and I've also been designer, 193 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,075 in the case of making the wristwatches. 194 00:10:08,075 --> 00:10:11,655 And once again, this is, for me, interesting. 195 00:10:11,655 --> 00:10:14,974 Another role that I like to take on is that of the performance artist. 196 00:10:14,974 --> 00:10:17,661 Some of my pieces have these kind of weird theatric elements, 197 00:10:17,661 --> 00:10:19,815 and I often perform them. I want to show you a clip 198 00:10:19,815 --> 00:10:21,579 from a piece called "Echolalia." 199 00:10:21,579 --> 00:10:24,650 This is actually being performed by Brian McWhorter, 200 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:25,955 who is an extraordinary performer. 201 00:10:25,955 --> 00:10:29,387 Let's watch a little bit of this, and please notice the instrumentation. 202 00:10:29,387 --> 00:10:58,275 (Music) 203 00:10:58,275 --> 00:10:59,959 Okay, I hear you were laughing nervously because 204 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:02,253 you too could hear that the drill was a little bit sharp, 205 00:11:02,253 --> 00:11:04,381 the intonation was a little questionable. (Laughter) 206 00:11:04,381 --> 00:11:06,393 Let's watch just another clip. 207 00:11:06,393 --> 00:11:16,969 (Music) 208 00:11:16,969 --> 00:11:19,665 You can see the mayhem continues, and there's, you know, 209 00:11:19,665 --> 00:11:21,543 there were no clarinets and trumpets 210 00:11:21,543 --> 00:11:23,447 and flutes and violins. Here's a piece that has 211 00:11:23,447 --> 00:11:26,002 an even more unusual, more peculiar instrumentation. 212 00:11:26,002 --> 00:11:29,579 This is "Tlön," for three conductors and no players. (Laughter) 213 00:11:42,327 --> 00:11:44,267 This was based on the experience of actually watching 214 00:11:44,267 --> 00:11:46,783 two people having a virulent argument in sign language, 215 00:11:46,783 --> 00:11:48,642 which produced no decibels to speak of, 216 00:11:48,642 --> 00:11:52,053 but affectively, psychologically, was a very loud experience. 217 00:11:52,053 --> 00:11:55,721 So, yeah, I get it, with, like, the weird appliances 218 00:11:55,721 --> 00:11:59,823 and then the total absence of conventional instruments 219 00:11:59,823 --> 00:12:02,696 and this glut of conductors, people might, you know, 220 00:12:02,696 --> 00:12:05,599 wonder, yeah, "Is this music?" 221 00:12:05,599 --> 00:12:09,446 But let's move on to a piece where clearly I'm behaving myself, 222 00:12:09,446 --> 00:12:11,933 and that is my "Concerto for Orchestra." 223 00:12:11,933 --> 00:12:13,931 You're going to notice a lot of conventional instruments 224 00:12:13,931 --> 00:12:17,631 in this clip. (Music) 225 00:12:17,631 --> 00:12:30,478 (Music) 226 00:12:30,478 --> 00:12:32,518 This, in fact, is not the title of this piece. 227 00:12:32,518 --> 00:12:35,073 I was a bit mischievous. In fact, to make it more interesting, 228 00:12:35,073 --> 00:12:39,358 I put a space right in here, and this is the actual title of the piece. 229 00:12:39,358 --> 00:12:41,384 Let's continue with that same excerpt. 230 00:12:41,384 --> 00:12:51,677 (Music) 231 00:12:51,677 --> 00:12:59,767 It's better with a florist, right? (Laughter) (Music) 232 00:12:59,767 --> 00:13:02,003 Or at least it's less boring. Let's watch a couple more clips. 233 00:13:02,003 --> 00:13:15,979 (Music) 234 00:13:15,979 --> 00:13:19,027 So with all these theatric elements, this pushes me in another role, 235 00:13:19,027 --> 00:13:21,850 and that would be, possibly, the dramaturge. 236 00:13:21,850 --> 00:13:26,337 I was playing nice. I had to write the orchestra bits, right? 237 00:13:26,337 --> 00:13:28,800 Okay? But then there was this other stuff, right? 238 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,733 There was the florist, and I can understand that, 239 00:13:30,733 --> 00:13:33,873 once again, we're putting pressure on the ontology of music 240 00:13:33,873 --> 00:13:36,586 as we know it conventionally, 241 00:13:36,586 --> 00:13:41,009 but let's look at one last piece today I'm going to share with you. 242 00:13:41,009 --> 00:13:43,674 This is going to be a piece called "Aphasia," 243 00:13:43,674 --> 00:13:47,109 and it's for hand gestures synchronized to sound, 244 00:13:47,109 --> 00:13:49,848 and this invites yet another role, and final one 245 00:13:49,848 --> 00:13:52,421 I'll share with you, which is that of the choreographer. 246 00:13:52,421 --> 00:13:54,899 And the score for the piece looks like this, 247 00:13:54,899 --> 00:13:59,309 and it instructs me, the performer, to make 248 00:13:59,309 --> 00:14:02,039 various hand gestures at very specific times 249 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:04,293 synchronized with an audio tape, and that audio tape 250 00:14:04,293 --> 00:14:07,170 is made up exclusively of vocal samples. 251 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:09,592 I recorded an awesome singer, 252 00:14:09,592 --> 00:14:11,937 and I took the sound of his voice in my computer, 253 00:14:11,937 --> 00:14:14,536 and I warped it in countless ways to come up with 254 00:14:14,536 --> 00:14:16,804 the soundtrack that you're about to hear. 255 00:14:16,804 --> 00:14:21,769 And I'll perform just an excerpt of "Aphasia" for you here. Okay? 256 00:14:21,769 --> 00:15:00,105 (Music) 257 00:15:00,108 --> 00:15:06,731 So that gives you a little taste of that piece. (Applause) 258 00:15:06,731 --> 00:15:09,015 Yeah, okay, that's kind of weird stuff. 259 00:15:09,015 --> 00:15:11,254 Is it music? Here's how I want to conclude. 260 00:15:11,254 --> 00:15:13,830 I've decided, ultimately, that this is the wrong question, 261 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:15,788 that this is not the important question. 262 00:15:15,788 --> 00:15:18,521 The important question is, "Is it interesting?" 263 00:15:18,521 --> 00:15:21,413 And I follow this question, not worrying about "Is it music?" -- 264 00:15:21,413 --> 00:15:23,899 not worrying about the definition of the thing that I'm making. 265 00:15:23,899 --> 00:15:26,352 I allow my creativity to push me 266 00:15:26,352 --> 00:15:28,512 in directions that are simply interesting to me, 267 00:15:28,512 --> 00:15:31,561 and I don't worry about the likeness of the result 268 00:15:31,561 --> 00:15:33,617 to some notion, some paradigm, 269 00:15:33,617 --> 00:15:36,606 of what music composition is supposed to be, 270 00:15:36,606 --> 00:15:39,049 and that has actually urged me, in a sense, 271 00:15:39,049 --> 00:15:40,784 to take on a whole bunch of different roles, 272 00:15:40,784 --> 00:15:42,919 and so what I want you to think about is, 273 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:46,137 to what extent might you change the fundamental question 274 00:15:46,137 --> 00:15:48,860 in your discipline, and, okay, 275 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:51,240 I'm going to put one extra little footnote in here, 276 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,854 because, like, I realized I mentioned 277 00:15:52,854 --> 00:15:55,789 some psychological defects earlier, and we also, 278 00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:59,532 along the way, had a fair amount of obsessive behavior, 279 00:15:59,532 --> 00:16:01,693 and there was some delusional behavior and things like that, 280 00:16:01,693 --> 00:16:04,674 and here I think we could say that this is an argument 281 00:16:04,674 --> 00:16:06,653 for self-loathing and a kind of schizophrenia, 282 00:16:06,653 --> 00:16:08,589 at least in the popular use of the term, 283 00:16:08,589 --> 00:16:10,823 and I really mean dissociative identity disorder, okay. (Laughter) 284 00:16:10,823 --> 00:16:13,886 Anyway, despite those perils, I would urge you 285 00:16:13,886 --> 00:16:16,461 to think about the possibility that you might take on roles 286 00:16:16,461 --> 00:16:18,552 in your own work, whether they are neighboring 287 00:16:18,552 --> 00:16:21,050 or far-flung from your professional definition. 288 00:16:21,050 --> 00:16:22,827 And with that, I thank you very much. (Applause) 289 00:16:22,827 --> 00:16:29,026 (Applause)