[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Louisiana channel - David Hocney: Photoshop is boring) Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[David Hockney] The invention of photography Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.00,0:00:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was an invention of chemicals Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.00,0:00:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a way, chemical photography is now ended. Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.00,0:00:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It lasted - what? - 160 years. Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.00,0:00:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, nobody thought chemical photography would end. Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.00,0:00:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody predicts that, do they? Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.00,0:00:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It ended - it certainly has ended now. Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.00,0:00:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kodak stopped making fixative about eight years ago, I think. Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.00,0:00:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the fixative was the invention. Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.00,0:00:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Daguerre did it his way Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.00,0:00:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in England Fox Talbot, who was playing with cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.00,0:00:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meaning, seeing these images - Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.00,0:00:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and remember, they saw them in color: you always see them in color; Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.00,0:01:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were surprised that the photograph was black and white Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.00,0:01:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they first came out - Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.00,0:01:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, he said to Sir John Herschel: Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.00,0:01:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How can I -- how can we fix this image?" Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.00,0:01:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They could get it on paper, using silver Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.00,0:01:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it didn't last long. Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.00,0:01:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, sir John Herschel said: Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.00,0:01:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh well, if you want to fix it, you need this, this and this" Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.00,0:01:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wrote out the formula for fixative Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.00,0:01:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was still being manufactured till eight years ago. Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.00,0:01:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now, we've now moved out of that period. Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.00,0:01:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will point out, I - in 1989, I was invited by Adobe, in Silicon Valley, Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.00,0:01:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the launch of Photoshop. Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.00,0:02:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they invited a few people for various reasons. Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.00,0:02:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tink I was invited because they'd seen the photo collage I'd done Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.00,0:02:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of - of Pearblossom Highway. Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.00,0:02:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they invited me and I went up with my assistant, Richard. Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.00,0:02:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I took my dogs as well. Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.00,0:02:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said - I saw it - Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.00,0:02:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are two things they don't like in Silicon Valley: Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.00,0:02:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smokers and dogs. Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.00,0:02:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said "Well, you got to lump it, Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.00,0:02:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here and you'll have to do it." Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.00,0:02:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they were showing as well - we tried things [check] Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.00,0:02:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we were driving back to LA, I said Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.00,0:02:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow, that was all about drawing Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.00,0:02:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's the end of chemical photography." Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.00,0:02:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you can't do this with chemical photography. Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.00,0:02:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has to be digital for the Photoshop. Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.00,0:02:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was a bit early, but nevertheless, Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.00,0:03:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could see that's what was coming. Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.00,0:03:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one-hour Photomat place was going to disappear Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.00,0:03:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- that's what I had been using, things like that. Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.00,0:03:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has implications that I began to see. Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.00,0:03:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've got bigger, Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.00,0:03:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're still there now, they're getting bigger. Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.00,0:03:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a way, I mean to say, useful thing, Photoshop Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.00,0:03:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it has made a lot of magazines look very similar, Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.00,0:03:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather boring. Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.00,0:03:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It polishes photography, they put the highlights in, Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.00,0:03:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take them blemishes away, I mean that sort of thing, Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.00,0:03:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,love it in Hollywood, Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.00,0:03:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they all touch up things. Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.00,0:03:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean, it's also causing a kind of stale look Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.00,0:03:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- to me, anyway, to me. Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.00,0:03:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's why, if you need, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.00,0:04:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even fashion magazines, thirty years ago, Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.00,0:04:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have quite a lot of drawings in them Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.00,0:04:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you got a different thing as you looked through pages. Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.00,0:04:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But not many people draw now, so it's all photography Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.00,0:04:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think, getting more and more boring because of it, I think. Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.00,0:04:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I was - we were just in the Picasso show here, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.00,0:04:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was looking at that owl, that marvelous owl Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.00,0:04:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and today, I pointed out, well, Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.00,0:04:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people just stuff a real owl and put it in a case. Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.00,0:04:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not that interesting. Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.00,0:04:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was explaining to my young friend Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.00,0:04:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why Picasso's is so marvelous is Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.00,0:04:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It isn't an owl, it's a human being looking at an owl. Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.00,0:04:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an account of a human being looking at an owl. Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.00,0:05:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's what thrills us. Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.00,0:05:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is more owlness there than in the stuffed owl. Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.00,0:05:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you find a way to solve something - Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.00,0:05:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was talking about the Spring, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.00,0:05:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm working on that now in England - Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.00,0:05:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how would you depict the arrival of Spring? Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.00,0:05:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The arrival of Spring is too slow for a movie to catch it. Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.00,0:05:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It moves too - it moves, but it moves too slowly Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.00,0:05:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the movie camera. Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.00,0:05:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's also not that easy to photograph Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.00,0:05:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the very first signs of it is so subtle Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.00,0:05:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the camera doesn't see them that well. Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.00,0:05:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if the human eye sees it, you can exaggerate a little Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.00,0:06:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first little green shoots coming up, Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.00,0:06:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you emphasize the green. Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.00,0:06:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cameras can't - they're not that good on color, really, Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.00,0:06:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they don't see the subtle colors at all, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.00,0:06:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's OK, you know, on a beach, color photography Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.00,0:06:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but with greens, it's not that good, really, Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.00,0:06:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even today it's not. Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.00,0:06:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even, I mean, when we use nine cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.00,0:06:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore we could use different exposures on each one, Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.00,0:06:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't get a bigger range of greens. Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.00,0:06:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that, I mean I know about, Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.00,0:06:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know about technical things, about film and things. Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.00,0:06:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a - Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.00,0:06:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,peop-- you know, Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.00,0:06:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not much is written often about these technical problems Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.00,0:06:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're technical problems. Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.00,0:06:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can overcome them but Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.00,0:06:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're not taught about them much, Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.00,0:06:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people forget that they are problems Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.00,0:07:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how they have to be sorted out. Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.00,0:07:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been dealing with the Winter in East Yorkshire. Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.00,0:07:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a climate, just like this really, just over the water. Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.00,0:07:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a very similar climate, Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.00,0:07:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very similar horticulture and agriculture Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.00,0:07:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, the Spring is just beginning here, isn't it? Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.00,0:07:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just beginning there. Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.00,0:07:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And - but of course, you don't get Spring in Southern California, Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.00,0:07:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not big anyway - Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.00,0:07:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I found there was more color in the Winter, Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.00,0:07:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the road, this little road, is darkest of all Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.00,0:07:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the height of Summer Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.00,0:07:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because all the leaves of - come over it, it's like a tunnel Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.00,0:07:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's darker in it. Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.00,0:07:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I mean, you get in light coming in. Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.00,0:07:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's its darkest. Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.00,0:07:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's at its lightest in the Winter if it snows, Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.00,0:07:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you get reflection from the ground. Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.00,0:08:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we filmed it with nine cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.00,0:08:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm drawing it all the time as well. Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.00,0:08:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My local doctor we're friendly with, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.00,0:08:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she is a pai-- an amateur painter, Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.00,0:08:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she comes to the studio Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.00,0:08:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm showing her the pictures. Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.00,0:08:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we showed her the films. Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.00,0:08:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.00,0:08:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"God, I've never looked at this little street!" Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.00,0:08:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she said, next time she came, she said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.00,0:08:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You inspired us, David. Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.00,0:08:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We drove down and took a long walk, Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.00,0:08:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a darned long walk [check] Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.00,0:08:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after watching your films and those things." Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.00,0:08:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said: Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.00,0:08:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, it's a lovely, it's a Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.00,0:08:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'll tell you what's very nice about there: Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.00,0:08:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a very, rather isolated bit of England. Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.00,0:08:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very isolated partly because there's a wide river, Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.00,0:08:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Humber, to the South Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.00,0:08:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are not many people there, Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.00,0:09:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not many people live there, Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.00,0:09:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's agricultural, great one agricultural land [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.00,0:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they don't build on it much. Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.00,0:09:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not many people. Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.00,0:09:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can - we painted in it, filmed in it, Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.00,0:09:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody's - nobody there to stop you. Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.00,0:09:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In L.A.! Oh, if you got out a camera in a car, Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.00,0:09:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd have had to get permits, Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.00,0:09:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'd have to get police riding to protect you, Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.00,0:09:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,install lines [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.00,0:09:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hollywood cops and things. Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.00,0:09:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in East Yorkshire, we come, we do it, nobody bothers us, Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.00,0:09:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're hanging on jeeps, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.00,0:09:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, actually, once JP and I, Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.00,0:09:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were going out painting with our canvasses Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.00,0:09:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you never see anybody out there, Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.00,0:09:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suddenly, aboard a Toyota truck [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.00,0:09:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four policemen jump out and we got a ticket: Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.00,0:09:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we hadn't put our seat belts on. Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.00,0:09:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And OK, we were just not going far [check], Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.00,0:09:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were going to get out the canvas. [check] Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.00,0:10:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we got the tickets. Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.00,0:10:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the policemen is looking out of the window to me Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.00,0:10:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying "You got to have the seatbelt, Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.00,0:10:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,death is lurking everywhere." Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.00,0:10:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I'm looking out of the window and I mean, Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.00,0:10:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean at leaves coming on the trees, Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.00,0:10:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the spring is coming out, and I say: Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.00,0:10:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, you know, life is lurking everywhere as well!" [laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.00,0:10:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, we got the tickets, Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.00,0:10:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we might put them in the exhibition, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.00,0:10:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we were going to paint, you know, Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.00,0:10:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set up six canvasses. Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.00,0:10:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if they saw us with these cameras, Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.00,0:10:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd have been taken out to jail, probably, I mean Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.00,0:10:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we were hanging on. Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.00,0:10:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we're not going very f-- Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.00,0:10:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we were going, you know, 10 miles an hour. Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.00,0:10:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'd leave it alone, probably, Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.00,0:10:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was amusing that we got the ticket for the seatbelts. Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.00,0:10:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did tell them that I was not particularly into bondage, me: Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.00,0:10:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not, actually. Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.00,0:10:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like the seatbelts. [laughs] Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.00,0:11:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people are into bondage -- I don't like -- Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.00,0:11:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's OK: good fun, sometimes. Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.00,0:11:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Louisiana channel) Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.00,0:11:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Supported by Nordea Funden) Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.00,0:11:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(louisiana.dk/channel) Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.00,0:11:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(© LOUISIANA)