1 00:00:00,806 --> 00:00:02,581 Okay, this morning I'm speaking 2 00:00:02,581 --> 00:00:05,770 on the question of corruption. 3 00:00:05,770 --> 00:00:07,930 And corruption is defined 4 00:00:07,930 --> 00:00:13,666 as the abuse of a position of trust 5 00:00:13,666 --> 00:00:17,306 for the benefit of yourself -- or, in the case of our context, 6 00:00:17,306 --> 00:00:19,929 your friends, your family or your financiers. 7 00:00:19,929 --> 00:00:24,452 Okay? Friends, family and financiers. 8 00:00:24,452 --> 00:00:28,467 But we need to understand what we understand about corruption, 9 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:31,265 and we need to understand that 10 00:00:31,265 --> 00:00:34,614 we have been miseducated about it, and we have to admit that. 11 00:00:34,614 --> 00:00:36,171 We have to have the courage to admit that 12 00:00:36,171 --> 00:00:38,616 to start changing how we deal with it. 13 00:00:38,616 --> 00:00:41,539 The first thing is that the big myth, number one, 14 00:00:41,539 --> 00:00:43,910 is that in fact it's not really a crime. 15 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:45,700 When we get together with friends and family 16 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:47,579 and we discuss crime in our country, 17 00:00:47,579 --> 00:00:51,172 crime in Belmont or crime in Diego or crime in Marabella, 18 00:00:51,172 --> 00:00:52,702 nobody's speaking about corruption. 19 00:00:52,702 --> 00:00:54,252 That's the honest truth. 20 00:00:54,252 --> 00:00:57,289 When the Commissioner of Police comes on TV to talk about crime, 21 00:00:57,289 --> 00:00:59,299 he isn't speaking about corruption. 22 00:00:59,299 --> 00:01:01,615 And we know for sure when the Minister of National Security 23 00:01:01,615 --> 00:01:05,490 is speaking about crime, he's not talking about corruption either. 24 00:01:05,490 --> 00:01:08,105 The point I'm making is that it is a crime. 25 00:01:08,105 --> 00:01:12,955 It is an economic crime, because we're involving the looting of taxpayers' money. 26 00:01:12,955 --> 00:01:15,723 Public and private corruption is a reality. 27 00:01:15,723 --> 00:01:17,454 As somebody who comes from the private sector, 28 00:01:17,454 --> 00:01:19,850 I can tell you there's a massive amount of corruption 29 00:01:19,850 --> 00:01:22,629 in the private sector that has nothing to do with government. 30 00:01:22,629 --> 00:01:25,471 The same bribes and backhanders and things that take place under the table, 31 00:01:25,471 --> 00:01:27,939 it all takes place in the private sector. 32 00:01:27,939 --> 00:01:31,540 Today, I'm focusing on public sector corruption, 33 00:01:31,540 --> 00:01:34,675 which the private sector also participates in. 34 00:01:34,675 --> 00:01:36,971 The second important myth to understand -- 35 00:01:36,971 --> 00:01:38,705 because we have to destroy these myths, 36 00:01:38,705 --> 00:01:41,165 dismantle them and destroy them and ridicule them -- 37 00:01:41,165 --> 00:01:43,111 the second important myth to understand 38 00:01:43,111 --> 00:01:45,603 is the one that says 39 00:01:45,603 --> 00:01:48,872 that in fact corruption is only a small problem -- 40 00:01:48,872 --> 00:01:51,202 if it is a problem, it's only a small problem, 41 00:01:51,202 --> 00:01:54,896 that in fact it's only a little 10 or 15 percent, 42 00:01:54,896 --> 00:01:58,787 it's been going on forever, it probably will continue forever, 43 00:01:58,787 --> 00:02:02,571 and there's no point passing any laws, because there's little we can do about it. 44 00:02:02,571 --> 00:02:04,931 And I want to demonstrate that that, too, 45 00:02:04,931 --> 00:02:06,868 is a dangerous myth, very dangerous. 46 00:02:06,868 --> 00:02:09,289 It's a piece of public mischief. 47 00:02:09,289 --> 00:02:11,883 And I want to speak a little bit, 48 00:02:11,883 --> 00:02:14,131 take us back about 30 years. 49 00:02:14,131 --> 00:02:16,125 We're coming out today from Trinidad and Tobago, 50 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:19,323 a resource-rich, small Caribbean country, 51 00:02:19,323 --> 00:02:24,369 and in the early 1970s we had a massive increase in the country's wealth, 52 00:02:24,369 --> 00:02:27,862 and that increase was caused by the increase in world oil prices. 53 00:02:27,862 --> 00:02:30,897 We call them petrodollars. The treasury was bursting with money. 54 00:02:30,897 --> 00:02:34,585 And it's ironic, because 55 00:02:34,585 --> 00:02:36,623 we're standing today in the Central Bank. 56 00:02:36,623 --> 00:02:38,819 You see, history's rich in irony. 57 00:02:38,819 --> 00:02:40,641 We're standing today in the Central Bank, 58 00:02:40,641 --> 00:02:44,019 and the Central Bank is responsible for a lot of the things I'm going to be speaking about. 59 00:02:44,019 --> 00:02:47,344 Okay? We're talking about irresponsibility in public office. 60 00:02:47,344 --> 00:02:50,092 We're speaking about the fact that across the terrace, 61 00:02:50,092 --> 00:02:52,131 the next tower is the Ministry of Finance, 62 00:02:52,131 --> 00:02:53,819 and there's a lot of connection with us today, 63 00:02:53,819 --> 00:02:56,669 so we're speaking within your temple today. Okay? 64 00:02:56,669 --> 00:03:01,569 (Applause) 65 00:03:01,569 --> 00:03:03,811 The first thing I want to talk about is that 66 00:03:03,811 --> 00:03:07,507 when all of this money flowed into our country about 40 years ago, 67 00:03:07,507 --> 00:03:09,594 we embarked, the government of the day embarked 68 00:03:09,594 --> 00:03:11,704 on a series of government-to-government arrangements 69 00:03:11,704 --> 00:03:13,738 to have rapidly develop the country. 70 00:03:13,738 --> 00:03:16,004 And some of the largest projects in the country 71 00:03:16,004 --> 00:03:19,202 were being constructed through government-to-government arrangements 72 00:03:19,202 --> 00:03:21,018 with some of the leading countries in the world, 73 00:03:21,018 --> 00:03:23,726 the United States and Britain and France and so on and so on. 74 00:03:23,726 --> 00:03:26,794 As I said, even this building we're standing in -- that's one of the ironies -- 75 00:03:26,794 --> 00:03:28,478 this building was part of that series of complexes, 76 00:03:28,478 --> 00:03:32,586 what they called the Twin Towers. 77 00:03:32,586 --> 00:03:35,546 It became so outrageous, the whole situation, 78 00:03:35,546 --> 00:03:38,426 that in fact a commission of inquiry was appointed, 79 00:03:38,426 --> 00:03:42,429 and it reported in 1982, 30 years ago it reported -- 80 00:03:42,429 --> 00:03:45,178 the Ballah Report -- 30 years ago, 81 00:03:45,178 --> 00:03:49,114 and immediately the government-to-government arrangements were stopped. 82 00:03:49,114 --> 00:03:51,022 The then-Prime Minister went to Parliament 83 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:54,219 to give a budget speech, and he said some things that I'll never forget. 84 00:03:54,219 --> 00:03:56,516 They went right in here. I was a young man at the time. 85 00:03:56,516 --> 00:03:57,896 It went right into my heart. 86 00:03:57,896 --> 00:04:02,653 And he said that, in fact — Let me see if this thing works. 87 00:04:02,653 --> 00:04:05,130 Are we getting a, yeah?— 88 00:04:05,130 --> 00:04:07,129 That's what he told us. 89 00:04:07,129 --> 00:04:11,269 He told us that, in fact, 90 00:04:11,269 --> 00:04:14,191 two out of every three dollars of our petrodollars 91 00:04:14,191 --> 00:04:16,575 that we spent, the taxpayers' money, 92 00:04:16,575 --> 00:04:18,659 was wasted or stolen. 93 00:04:18,659 --> 00:04:22,702 So the 10 or 15 percent is pure mischief. 94 00:04:22,702 --> 00:04:24,811 As we say, it's a nancy-story. Forget it. 95 00:04:24,811 --> 00:04:26,506 That's for little children. We are big people, 96 00:04:26,506 --> 00:04:29,293 and we're trying to deal with what's happening in our society. 97 00:04:29,293 --> 00:04:31,438 Okay? This is the size of the problem. 98 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:34,450 Okay? Two thirds of the money stolen or wasted. 99 00:04:34,450 --> 00:04:37,892 That was 30 years ago. 1982 was Ballah. 100 00:04:37,892 --> 00:04:39,951 So what has changed? 101 00:04:39,951 --> 00:04:41,638 I don't like to bring up embarrassing secrets 102 00:04:41,638 --> 00:04:44,197 to an international audience, but I have to. 103 00:04:44,197 --> 00:04:47,710 Four months ago, we suffered a constitutional outrage in this country. 104 00:04:47,710 --> 00:04:52,608 We call it the Section 34 fiasco, the Section 34 fiasco, 105 00:04:52,608 --> 00:04:55,254 a suspicious piece of law, and I'm going to say it like it is, 106 00:04:55,254 --> 00:04:56,609 a suspicious piece of law 107 00:04:56,609 --> 00:04:58,752 was passed at a suspicious time 108 00:04:58,752 --> 00:05:00,650 to free some suspects. (Laughter) 109 00:05:00,650 --> 00:05:07,383 And it was called, those people are called 110 00:05:07,383 --> 00:05:08,957 the Piarco Airport accused. 111 00:05:08,957 --> 00:05:11,834 I'm going to have my own lexicon speaking here today. 112 00:05:11,834 --> 00:05:13,661 They are the Piarco Airport accused. 113 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:16,554 It was a constitutional outrage of the first order, 114 00:05:16,554 --> 00:05:20,610 and I have labeled it the Plot to Pervert Parliament. 115 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:23,709 Our highest institution in our country was perverted. 116 00:05:23,709 --> 00:05:25,682 We are dealing with perverts here 117 00:05:25,682 --> 00:05:27,404 of an economic and financial nature. 118 00:05:27,404 --> 00:05:29,253 Do you get how serious this problem is? 119 00:05:29,253 --> 00:05:31,363 There was massive protest. A lot of us in this room 120 00:05:31,363 --> 00:05:34,073 took part in the protest in different forms. 121 00:05:34,073 --> 00:05:36,892 Most importantly, the American embassy complained, 122 00:05:36,892 --> 00:05:39,379 so Parliament was swiftly reconvened, 123 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:41,284 and the law was reversed, it was repealed. 124 00:05:41,284 --> 00:05:43,231 That's the word lawyers use. It was repealed. 125 00:05:43,231 --> 00:05:46,348 But the point is 126 00:05:46,348 --> 00:05:50,043 that Parliament was outwitted in the whole course of events, 127 00:05:50,043 --> 00:05:52,529 because what really happened is that, 128 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:55,603 because of the suspicious passage of that law, 129 00:05:55,603 --> 00:05:57,924 the law was actually passed into effect 130 00:05:57,924 --> 00:06:01,182 on the weekend we celebrated our 50th anniversary of independence, 131 00:06:01,182 --> 00:06:02,742 our jubilee of independence. 132 00:06:02,742 --> 00:06:04,764 So that is the kind of outrage of the thing. 133 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:08,175 It was kind of a nasty way to get maturation, but we got it, 134 00:06:08,175 --> 00:06:09,862 because we all understood it, 135 00:06:09,862 --> 00:06:11,620 and for the first time that I could remember, 136 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:15,170 there were mass protests against this corruption. 137 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:17,361 And that gave me a lot of hope. Okay? 138 00:06:17,361 --> 00:06:19,224 Those of us who are, sometimes you feel like 139 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:22,593 you're a little bit on your own doing some of this work. 140 00:06:22,593 --> 00:06:26,041 That passage of the law and the repeal of the law 141 00:06:26,041 --> 00:06:30,017 fortified the case of the Piarco Airport accused. 142 00:06:30,017 --> 00:06:34,628 So it was one of those really superior double bluff kind of things that took place. 143 00:06:34,628 --> 00:06:36,524 But what were they accused of? 144 00:06:36,524 --> 00:06:37,627 What was it that they were accused of? 145 00:06:37,627 --> 00:06:40,906 I'm being a bit mysterious for those of you out there. What were they accused of? 146 00:06:40,906 --> 00:06:43,488 We were trying to build, or reconstruct largely, 147 00:06:43,488 --> 00:06:46,090 an airport that had grown outdated. 148 00:06:46,090 --> 00:06:49,880 The entire project cost about 1.6 billion dollars, 149 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,447 Trinidad and Tobago dollars, 150 00:06:52,447 --> 00:06:55,610 and in fact, we had a lot of bid-rigging 151 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:58,797 and suspicious activity, corrupt activity took place. 152 00:06:58,797 --> 00:07:02,887 And to get an idea of what it consisted of, 153 00:07:02,887 --> 00:07:05,767 and to put it in context in relationship to this whole 154 00:07:05,767 --> 00:07:08,200 second myth about it being no big thing, 155 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,971 we can look at this second slide here. 156 00:07:10,971 --> 00:07:14,664 And what we have here -- I am not saying so, 157 00:07:14,664 --> 00:07:19,471 this is the Director of Public Prosecutions in a written statement. He said so. 158 00:07:19,471 --> 00:07:23,945 And he's telling us that for the $1.6 billion cost of the project, 159 00:07:23,945 --> 00:07:26,137 one billion dollars has been traced 160 00:07:26,137 --> 00:07:27,900 to offshore bank accounts. 161 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,063 One billion dollars of our taxpayers' money 162 00:07:30,063 --> 00:07:33,461 has been located in offshore bank accounts. 163 00:07:33,461 --> 00:07:35,574 Being the kind of suspicious person I am, 164 00:07:35,574 --> 00:07:38,291 I am outraged at that, and I'm going to pause here, 165 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:40,787 I'm going to pause now and again and bring in different things. 166 00:07:40,787 --> 00:07:42,601 I'm going to pause here and bring in something I saw 167 00:07:42,601 --> 00:07:46,345 in November last year at Wall Street. I was at Zuccotti Park. 168 00:07:46,345 --> 00:07:50,537 It was autumn. It was cool. It was damp. It was getting dark. 169 00:07:50,537 --> 00:07:52,470 And I was walking around with the protesters 170 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:56,763 looking at the One Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street movement walking around. 171 00:07:56,763 --> 00:07:59,083 And there was a lady with a sign, a very simple sign, 172 00:07:59,083 --> 00:08:01,507 a kind of battered-looking blonde lady, 173 00:08:01,507 --> 00:08:04,330 and the sign was made out of Bristol board, as we say in these parts, 174 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:06,322 and it was made with a marker. 175 00:08:06,322 --> 00:08:08,843 And what it said on that sign hit me right in the center. 176 00:08:08,843 --> 00:08:13,250 It said, "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention." 177 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:16,232 If you're not outraged by all of this, you haven't been paying attention. 178 00:08:16,232 --> 00:08:20,363 So listen up, because we're getting into even deeper waters. 179 00:08:20,363 --> 00:08:22,520 My brain started thinking. 180 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,411 Well, what if -- 181 00:08:25,411 --> 00:08:28,617 because I'm suspicious like that. I read a lot of spy novels and stuff. 182 00:08:28,617 --> 00:08:30,295 What if -- (Laughter) 183 00:08:30,295 --> 00:08:32,819 But to make it in these wrongs, 184 00:08:32,819 --> 00:08:34,444 you have to read a lot of spy novels 185 00:08:34,444 --> 00:08:37,011 and follow some of that stuff, right? (Laughter) 186 00:08:37,011 --> 00:08:41,578 But what if this wasn't the first time? 187 00:08:41,578 --> 00:08:44,165 What if this is just the first time 188 00:08:44,165 --> 00:08:46,500 that the so-and-sos had been caught? 189 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:51,626 What if it had happened before? How would I find out? 190 00:08:51,626 --> 00:08:54,116 Now, the previous two examples I gave 191 00:08:54,116 --> 00:08:58,172 were to do with construction sector corruption, okay? 192 00:08:58,172 --> 00:09:00,203 And I have the privilege at this time 193 00:09:00,203 --> 00:09:03,581 to lead the Joint Consultative Council, which is a not-for-profit. 194 00:09:03,581 --> 00:09:07,178 We're at jcc.org.tt, and we have the -- we are the leaders 195 00:09:07,178 --> 00:09:10,404 in the struggle to produce a new public procurement system 196 00:09:10,404 --> 00:09:12,564 about how public money is transacted. 197 00:09:12,564 --> 00:09:14,769 So those of you interested in finding out more about it, 198 00:09:14,769 --> 00:09:19,049 or joining us or signing up on any of our petitions, please get involved. 199 00:09:19,049 --> 00:09:21,308 But I'm going to segue to another thing that relates, 200 00:09:21,308 --> 00:09:24,084 because one of my private campaigns I've been conducting 201 00:09:24,084 --> 00:09:26,420 for over three and a half years 202 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:28,909 is for transparency and accountability 203 00:09:28,909 --> 00:09:32,008 around the bailout of CL Financial. 204 00:09:32,008 --> 00:09:37,009 CL Financial is the Caribbean's largest ever conglomerate, okay? 205 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:39,932 And without getting into all of the details, 206 00:09:39,932 --> 00:09:42,948 it is said to have collapsed — I'm using my words very carefully — 207 00:09:42,948 --> 00:09:45,775 it's said to have collapsed in January of '09, 208 00:09:45,775 --> 00:09:49,453 which is just coming up to nearly four years. 209 00:09:49,453 --> 00:09:52,265 In an unprecedented fit of generosity -- 210 00:09:52,265 --> 00:09:54,748 and you have to be very suspicious about these people -- 211 00:09:54,748 --> 00:09:57,379 in an unprecedented — and I'm using that word carefully — 212 00:09:57,379 --> 00:10:01,263 unprecedented fit of generosity, the government of the day 213 00:10:01,263 --> 00:10:04,918 signed, made a written commitment, to repay all of the creditors. 214 00:10:04,918 --> 00:10:07,240 And I can tell you without fear of contradiction 215 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,422 that hasn't happened anywhere else on the planet. 216 00:10:10,422 --> 00:10:12,333 Let's understand, because we lack context. 217 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:15,338 People are telling us it's just like Wall Street. It's not just like Wall Street. 218 00:10:15,338 --> 00:10:19,827 Trinidad and Tobago is like a place with different laws of physics or biology or something. 219 00:10:19,827 --> 00:10:24,571 It's not just like anywhere. (Applause) 220 00:10:24,571 --> 00:10:29,725 It's not just like anywhere. It's not just like anywhere. 221 00:10:29,725 --> 00:10:32,556 Here is here, and out there is out there. Okay? 222 00:10:32,556 --> 00:10:33,886 I'm serious now. 223 00:10:33,886 --> 00:10:36,869 Listen. They've had bailouts on Wall Street. 224 00:10:36,869 --> 00:10:38,820 They've had bailouts in London. 225 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:40,957 They've had bailouts in Europe. 226 00:10:40,957 --> 00:10:43,627 In Africa, they've had bailouts. In Nigeria, six of the major 227 00:10:43,627 --> 00:10:46,192 commercial banks collapsed at the same time as ours, eh? 228 00:10:46,192 --> 00:10:48,433 It's interesting to parallel how the Nigerian experience has -- 229 00:10:48,433 --> 00:10:50,823 how they've treated it, and they've treated it 230 00:10:50,823 --> 00:10:52,694 very well compared to us. 231 00:10:52,694 --> 00:10:54,626 Nowhere on the planet 232 00:10:54,626 --> 00:10:57,332 have all the creditors been bailed out 233 00:10:57,332 --> 00:10:59,624 in excess of what their statutory entitlements were. 234 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:03,206 Only here. So what was the reason for the generosity? 235 00:11:03,206 --> 00:11:06,011 Is our government that generous? And maybe they are. 236 00:11:06,011 --> 00:11:08,027 Let's look at it. Let's look into it. 237 00:11:08,027 --> 00:11:10,795 So I started digging and writing and so and so on, 238 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:12,607 and that work can be found, my personal work 239 00:11:12,607 --> 00:11:15,987 can be found at AfraRaymond.com, which is my name. 240 00:11:15,987 --> 00:11:18,859 It's a not-for-profit blog that I run. 241 00:11:18,859 --> 00:11:21,383 Not as popular as some of the other people, but there you go. 242 00:11:21,383 --> 00:11:23,641 (Laughter) 243 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:28,130 But the point is that the bitter experience of Section 34, 244 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:30,587 that plot to pervert Parliament, that bitter experience 245 00:11:30,587 --> 00:11:33,673 that took place in August, 246 00:11:33,673 --> 00:11:36,571 when we were supposed to be celebrating our independence, 247 00:11:36,571 --> 00:11:41,235 going into September, forced me to check myself 248 00:11:41,235 --> 00:11:43,294 and recalculate my bearings, 249 00:11:43,294 --> 00:11:45,516 and to go back into some of the work, some of the stuff I'd written 250 00:11:45,516 --> 00:11:47,785 and some of the exchanges I'd had with the officials 251 00:11:47,785 --> 00:11:49,789 to see what was really what. 252 00:11:49,789 --> 00:11:53,899 As we say in Trinidad and Tobago, who is who and what is what? 253 00:11:53,899 --> 00:11:55,723 Okay? We want to try to recalculate. 254 00:11:55,723 --> 00:11:58,147 And I made a Freedom of Information application 255 00:11:58,147 --> 00:12:02,061 in May this year to the Ministry of Finance. 256 00:12:02,061 --> 00:12:04,119 The Ministry of Finance is the next tower over. 257 00:12:04,119 --> 00:12:05,794 This is the other context. 258 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:07,870 The Ministry of Finance, we are told, 259 00:12:07,870 --> 00:12:11,699 is subject to the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act. 260 00:12:11,699 --> 00:12:15,003 I'm going to take you through a worked example of whether that's really so. 261 00:12:15,003 --> 00:12:17,891 The Central Bank in which we stand this morning 262 00:12:17,891 --> 00:12:22,088 is immune from the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act. 263 00:12:22,088 --> 00:12:23,767 So in fact, you can't ask them anything, 264 00:12:23,767 --> 00:12:25,460 and they don't have to answer anything. 265 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:28,282 That is the law since 1999. 266 00:12:28,282 --> 00:12:31,858 So I plunged into this struggle, and I asked four questions. 267 00:12:31,858 --> 00:12:35,547 And I'll relate the questions to you in the short form with the reply, 268 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:38,162 so you could understand, as I said, where we are. 269 00:12:38,162 --> 00:12:39,683 Here is not like anywhere else. 270 00:12:39,683 --> 00:12:42,661 Question number one: 271 00:12:42,661 --> 00:12:45,251 I asked to see the accounts of CL Financial, 272 00:12:45,251 --> 00:12:47,723 and if you can't show me the accounts -- 273 00:12:47,723 --> 00:12:49,688 the Minister of Finance is making statements, 274 00:12:49,688 --> 00:12:52,303 passing new laws and giving speeches and so on. 275 00:12:52,303 --> 00:12:54,594 What are the figures he's relying on? 276 00:12:54,594 --> 00:12:57,214 It's like that joke: I want whatever he's drinking. 277 00:12:57,214 --> 00:12:58,813 And they wrote back and said to me, 278 00:12:58,813 --> 00:13:00,524 well what do you really mean? 279 00:13:00,524 --> 00:13:02,915 So they hit my question with a question. 280 00:13:02,915 --> 00:13:06,036 Second point: I want to see 281 00:13:06,036 --> 00:13:09,735 who are the creditors of the group who have been repaid? 282 00:13:09,735 --> 00:13:11,739 Let me pause here to point out to you all 283 00:13:11,739 --> 00:13:15,420 that 24 billion dollars of our money has been spent on this. 284 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,819 That is about three and a half billion U.S. dollars 285 00:13:17,819 --> 00:13:21,315 coming out of a small -- we used to be resource-rich -- 286 00:13:21,315 --> 00:13:23,687 Caribbean country. Okay? 287 00:13:23,687 --> 00:13:25,235 And I asked the question, 288 00:13:25,235 --> 00:13:29,381 who was getting that three and a half billion dollars? 289 00:13:29,381 --> 00:13:31,638 And I want to pause again to bring up context, 290 00:13:31,638 --> 00:13:35,041 because context helps us to get clarity understanding this thing. 291 00:13:35,041 --> 00:13:37,611 There's a particular individual who is in the government now. 292 00:13:37,611 --> 00:13:39,331 The name of the person doesn't matter. 293 00:13:39,331 --> 00:13:41,883 And that person made a career 294 00:13:41,883 --> 00:13:44,244 out of using the Freedom of Information Act 295 00:13:44,244 --> 00:13:46,363 to advance his political cause. 296 00:13:46,363 --> 00:13:49,606 Okay? His name isn't important. 297 00:13:49,606 --> 00:13:51,939 I wouldn't dignify it. I'm on a point. 298 00:13:51,939 --> 00:13:54,359 The point is, that person made a career out of using 299 00:13:54,359 --> 00:13:57,323 the Freedom of Information Act to advance his cause. 300 00:13:57,323 --> 00:13:59,637 And the most famous case 301 00:13:59,637 --> 00:14:02,530 was what we came to call the Secret Scholarship Scandal, 302 00:14:02,530 --> 00:14:05,419 where in fact there was about 60 million dollars in government money 303 00:14:05,419 --> 00:14:08,291 that had been dispersed in a series of scholarships, 304 00:14:08,291 --> 00:14:11,015 and the scholarships hadn't been advertised, and so and so on and so on. 305 00:14:11,015 --> 00:14:14,006 And he was able to get the court, using that act of Parliament, 306 00:14:14,006 --> 00:14:15,639 Freedom of Information Act, 307 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:17,616 to release the information, 308 00:14:17,616 --> 00:14:20,981 and I thought that was excellent. 309 00:14:20,981 --> 00:14:24,147 Fantastic. 310 00:14:24,147 --> 00:14:26,097 But you see, the question is this: 311 00:14:26,097 --> 00:14:30,310 If it's right and proper for us to use the Freedom of Information Act 312 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:34,040 and to use the court 313 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,782 to force a disclosure about 60 million dollars in public money, 314 00:14:38,782 --> 00:14:40,473 it must be right and proper 315 00:14:40,473 --> 00:14:44,614 for us to force a disclosure about 24 billion dollars. 316 00:14:44,614 --> 00:14:47,202 You see? But the Ministry of Finance, 317 00:14:47,202 --> 00:14:48,804 the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance, 318 00:14:48,804 --> 00:14:51,861 wrote me and said to me, that information is exempt too. 319 00:14:51,861 --> 00:14:54,850 You see? This is what we're dealing with, okay? 320 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:56,984 The third thing I will tell you 321 00:14:56,984 --> 00:14:59,989 is that I also asked 322 00:14:59,989 --> 00:15:02,985 for the directors of CL Financial, 323 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:07,330 whether in fact they were making filings under our Integrity in Public Life Act. 324 00:15:07,330 --> 00:15:08,948 We have an Integrity in Public Life Act 325 00:15:08,948 --> 00:15:13,697 as part of our framework supposed to safeguard the nation's interest. 326 00:15:13,697 --> 00:15:15,985 And public officials are supposed to file 327 00:15:15,985 --> 00:15:22,450 to say what it is they have in terms of assets and liabilities. 328 00:15:22,450 --> 00:15:24,865 And of course I've since discovered that they're not filing, 329 00:15:24,865 --> 00:15:27,744 and in fact the Minister of Finance has not even asked them to file. 330 00:15:27,744 --> 00:15:32,661 So here we have it. We have a situation where 331 00:15:32,661 --> 00:15:37,555 the basic safeguards of integrity and accountability 332 00:15:37,555 --> 00:15:39,548 and transparency have all been discarded. 333 00:15:39,548 --> 00:15:41,792 I've asked the question in the legal and required fashion. 334 00:15:41,792 --> 00:15:44,280 It's been ignored. 335 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,455 The sort of thing that motivated us around Section 34, 336 00:15:47,455 --> 00:15:50,057 we need to continue to work on that. We can't forget it. 337 00:15:50,057 --> 00:15:53,655 I have defined this as the single largest expenditure in the country's history. 338 00:15:53,655 --> 00:15:56,236 It's also the single largest example 339 00:15:56,236 --> 00:16:01,248 of public corruption according to this equation. 340 00:16:01,248 --> 00:16:04,217 And this is my reality check. 341 00:16:04,217 --> 00:16:06,563 Where you have an expenditure of public money 342 00:16:06,563 --> 00:16:09,518 and it is without accountability 343 00:16:09,518 --> 00:16:11,158 and it's without transparency, 344 00:16:11,158 --> 00:16:13,414 it will always be equal to corruption, 345 00:16:13,414 --> 00:16:16,619 whether you're in Russia or Nigeria or Alaska, 346 00:16:16,619 --> 00:16:20,819 it will always be equal to corruption, and that is what we are dealing with here. 347 00:16:20,819 --> 00:16:23,130 I'm going to continue the work 348 00:16:23,130 --> 00:16:27,476 to press on, to get some resolution 349 00:16:27,476 --> 00:16:29,186 of those matters at the Ministry of Finance. 350 00:16:29,186 --> 00:16:31,738 If it is I have to go to court personally, I will do that. 351 00:16:31,738 --> 00:16:32,926 We will continue to press on. 352 00:16:32,926 --> 00:16:34,877 We will continue to work within JCC. 353 00:16:34,877 --> 00:16:37,578 But I want to step back from the Trinidad and Tobago context 354 00:16:37,578 --> 00:16:39,497 and bring something new to the table 355 00:16:39,497 --> 00:16:41,323 in terms of an international example. 356 00:16:41,323 --> 00:16:44,224 We had the journalist [Heather] Brooke speaking 357 00:16:44,224 --> 00:16:46,541 about her battle against government corruption, 358 00:16:46,541 --> 00:16:51,978 and she introduced me to this website, Alaveteli.com. 359 00:16:51,978 --> 00:16:56,648 And Alaveteli.com is a way for us to have an open database 360 00:16:56,648 --> 00:16:59,427 for Freedom of Information applications, 361 00:16:59,427 --> 00:17:01,543 and speak with each other. 362 00:17:01,543 --> 00:17:03,780 I could see what you're applying for. 363 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:07,312 You could see what I applied for and what replies I got. 364 00:17:07,312 --> 00:17:10,248 We can work on it together. We need to build a collective database 365 00:17:10,248 --> 00:17:13,552 and a collective understanding of where we are to go to the next point. 366 00:17:13,552 --> 00:17:15,192 We need to increase the consciousness. 367 00:17:15,192 --> 00:17:19,246 The final thing I want to say is in relation to this one, 368 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:21,024 which is a lovely website from India 369 00:17:21,024 --> 00:17:23,466 called IPaidABribe.com. 370 00:17:23,466 --> 00:17:25,252 They have international branches, 371 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:27,696 and it's important for us to tune into this one. 372 00:17:27,696 --> 00:17:30,152 IPaidABribe.com is really important, 373 00:17:30,152 --> 00:17:32,568 a good one to log on to and see. 374 00:17:32,568 --> 00:17:35,195 I'm going to pause there. I'm going to ask you for your courage. 375 00:17:35,195 --> 00:17:37,416 Discard the first myth; it is a crime. 376 00:17:37,416 --> 00:17:39,734 Discard the second myth; it is a big thing. 377 00:17:39,734 --> 00:17:42,232 It's a huge problem. It's an economic crime. 378 00:17:42,232 --> 00:17:44,280 And let us continue working together 379 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,747 to betterment in this situation, 380 00:17:45,747 --> 00:17:49,557 stability and sustainability in our society. Thank you.